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[Invar20]

Since I can only have 2 of the 3, which two are best?  And having rejected one, can I ever get him or her back?

I like tanks and I think I'd like having a rogue around to handle locks, so Morrigan is the odd one out.  Plus I try to somewhat resemble a good guy.  Any thoughts from more experienced players?

[Original182]

If you want to play a good guy, I think you should have Alistair, Leliana and Wynne.

Absolutely don't bring Morrigan.
Sten has a few issues which "good" choices. He will disapprove of some of them because they take too long, they're a waste of time, etc.

[Baalzie]

[quote]Invar20 wrote...

Since I can only have 2 of the 3, which two are best?[ /quote]


You can have all 3...
What's stopping You?
They are all different in what choices You do that they like, true, but that makes for fun dialogues...

I've had all 3 in a party...
Really don't get the problem there...

Modifié par Baalzie, 24 décembre 2009 - 01:14 .

[Original182]

He probably already reserved a spot for someone.

[Baalzie]

Well, that kinda' makes sense... *doh!*



There we go, make Baalzie look sillyer than usual^^



I'd say it depends on that mystery 3:d character then.... Morrie=mage, Leli=Rogue, Sten=Warr so... Uhm... Who do You NOT need?

[FlintlockJazz]

Just to be clear on something you said, you are aware that you can have all the characters in the game, the ones you don't use in your active party will stay at camp, and you can switch them around at any time when you're not down in a dungeon or fighting for your lives or some other place far from your camp? It's just your question about what happens when you reject one, just don't reject them at all, gotta catch 'em all after all!

[Squiggles1334]

Original182 wrote...

If you want to play a good guy, I think you should have Alistair, Leliana and Wynne.

Absolutely don't bring Morrigan.

I played a Good Guy™ my first playthrough and took Morrigan with me wherever I went, and by about second treaty quest or such, she was at 100% approval. In fact, I think she shot up faster than Alistair on that playthrough.

The balancing act is totally possible, I think.

[cylriasilver]

If this is your first play through, then I think it would be a bad idea to get overly reliant on the same three compantions. Depending on how your story flows one or more of your companions could leave you even when they have a positive approval rating.

[SimToth1212]

What are the other 2 classes you'll be taking with you and who?

[ejoslin]

I'm having a good time this run through with Morrigan, Zevran, and my dog. I am always annoying Morrigan, but she's so easy to make happy later on I am not too worried about it. My dog keeps finding dirty panties laying around, though. I give them to Alistair when we get back to camp . . . Really, I would leave Sten unless you're a rogue. Morrigan is great for crowd control or damage, and not a bad healer if you so choose.

[Invar20]

I'm not thinking long-term yet. I'm a newb to DAO, and I wasn't sure I could recover party members once dismissed. For the moment I was keeping Alistair for his tankage, but I hear Wynne may be better. My main is a city elf warrior, dual-wielding.

[ejoslin]

Unless you actually kick them out, tell them to go, they wait for you at camp, and they continue to level up with you (which is a good thing imo). My DW warrior is my tank this run through, but Alistair is a better tank than my PC is -- the PC is good enough though. If I were you I'd definitely leave Sten. You want a rogue for lock picking, and Morrigan is terrific for crowd control, and if you give her a heal spell, she does ok. Wynne is a much better healer, but good crowd control often means less need for healing.



I recommend rotating companions through just because of their conversations. The party banter is my favorite part of the game.

[jerodatgm]

I take it you're playing as a mage. If not, I would recommend keeping Morrigan or Wynne in your group.



I just completed my first playthrough and played almost 100% with the same 3 companions - Alistar, Morrigan, and Liliana. The only one I switched out occasionally was Alistar in favor of Shale.

[Yrkoon]

Original182 wrote...

If you want to play a good guy, I think you should have Alistair, Leliana and Wynne.

Absolutely don't bring Morrigan.

Well I disagree  with this.  Aside from a  few decisions you have to make in Redcliffe, Morrigan is mostly ambivilant whenever you make "good" choices in the vast majority of the quests in this game.  you don't gain or lose approval points with her  in such instances. And even  in the few where you do lose points with her, Bioware over- stocked this game with jewelery gifts... which morrigan loves, which will bring her approval right back up... and quick

  No.  The bottom line for deciding who's in your party  should ultimately come down to 1) romance choices  and 2) class-need.   If you don't have a nuker in your party,  Take Morrigan. .   If you don't have a rogue/lock-picker/archer, Take Leliana....or Zevhran if you can stomach his personality and have the patience to build up his skills

As for  picking a Tank....  THERE'S your tough choice,  because  Shale, Sten, Dog and Alistair can all do the job just fine.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 25 décembre 2009 - 12:29 .

[FlintlockJazz]

Yrkoon wrote...

Original182 wrote...

If you want to play a good guy, I think you should have Alistair, Leliana and Wynne.

Absolutely don't bring Morrigan.

Well I disagree  with this.  Aside from a  few decisions you have to make in Redcliffe, Morrigan is mostly ambivilant whenever you make "good" choices in the vast majority of the quests in this game.  you don't gain or lose approval points with her  in such instances. And even  in the few where you do lose points with her, Bioware over- stocked this game with jewelery gifts... which morrigan loves, which will bring her approval right back up... and quick

  No.  The bottom line for deciding who's in your party  should ultimately come down to 1) romance choices  and 2) class-need.   If you don't have a nuker in your party,  Take Morrigan. .   If you don't have a rogue/lock-picker/archer, Take Leliana....or Zevhran if you can stomach his personality and have the patience to build up his skills

As for  picking a Tank....  THERE'S your tough choice,  because  Shale, Sten, Dog and Alistair can all do the job just fine.

Dog works better as DPS, alot better, and doesn't tank too well, and Sten is atrocious as a tank without significant work and leveling, you'd be better off with Oghren for that.  Tankwise, you're really stuck between Alistair or Shale, or the PC, though if you take more than one warrior you can make do with the other characters.

[Spaghetti_Ninja]

You can easily bring Morrigan on a good guy run, especially when romancing, there are so many gifts to boost her approval.



Sten is awesome too, but a lot harder to make loyal. He just hates sidequests.

[KnightofPhoenix]

My guy is practical, so that team is perfect, both gameplay wise and lore / approval wise.

[Dasim4]

My 1st playthrough I was a good character and it was Alistair, Wynne, and Lelania all the way. Never had any problems with any scenario. My character was a mage damage dealer part time healer in that playthrough.



2nd playthrough I used everyone at some point and became friends with all of them through gifts and doing personal quests. The 3 I spend the most time with were Alistair, Wynne, and Zevran.

[TimelessConqueror]

I'm lvl 10 elf mage damage healer rollin with leilana, morrigan and sten. When I can get back to camp sten is out and taking alistair....for a while.lol don't even know who wynne is yet.rofl

[Yrkoon]

FlintlockJazz wrote...


Dog works better as DPS, alot better, and doesn't tank too well, and Sten is atrocious as a tank without significant work and leveling, you'd be better off with Oghren for that.  Tankwise, you're really stuck between Alistair or Shale, or the PC, though if you take more than one warrior you can make do with the other characters.

Dog is a Great tank.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 25 décembre 2009 - 08:18 .

[Original182]

When tanking, you need to do 2 things: attract enemies and take a lot of damage. I'm sure the dog can absorb damage, but the dog has no talents to get enemies' attention.

And for the people who say Morrigan can be brought on a "good" walkthrough by compensating with gifts, well of course you can. But the OP is new to this game, and I was suggesting the easiest party combo for a good walkthrough.

I've brought Morrigan on a good walkthrough before, and I seem to remember way too many "Morrigan disapproves".

Alistair - tank
Leliana - rogue for lockpicking and disarming traps
Wynne - mage and super healer
OP - DW dps warrior

Perfect party setup for a good character.

Modifié par Original182, 25 décembre 2009 - 08:32 .

[Yrkoon]

Original182 wrote...

I've brought Morrigan on a good walkthrough before, and I seem to remember way too many "Morrigan disapproves".

Such as?

Can you give us  the plot specific examples, which will total to 20 or more when combined?



There really *isn't* that many at all, and the ones that do exist give -1, -2 or some piddly inconsequential disapproval  number.  And even those are few and far between.

The fact of the matter is that  Unlike most other fantasy role playing games,  DA: O  doesn't have an alignment system.     The vast majority of the main plot forces you to choose between two shades of gray.        Beyond that, Morrigan is a rather complex personality and it's  debatable whether she's even evil anyway.   She doesn't  care if you  take  the elves side over the werewolves.    She doesn't  care  if you take the Circle's side over the Templars.   She doesn't  if you support Bhalen/harromount.    You won't lose a single approval point with Morrigan for piously revering the Urn of Sacred ashes and wiping out the cult, nor will you lose any points with her   if you take the Golem's side and destroy the Anvil

Redcliffe  village is the one true  exception and here's what we're looking at:  -4 total points.  Big deal, a *single* necklace gift will reverse that AND add 2 to her approval.

Not that any of this matters.      What exactly is the harm of incurring negative approval, anyway?   Hmm? Afraid  your  "evil"  NPC will leave?     HA!  good luck with that.      Simply going through this game as a "good Angel" will not be enough to get rid of Morrigan.    You have to do alot more.    You must  deliberately, and repeatedly  ****** her off in optional, non-plot-related dialogue  to  accomplish such a thing, so...

Modifié par Yrkoon, 25 décembre 2009 - 11:13 .

[Original182]

Yrkoon wrote...
Such as?

Can you give us  the plot specific examples, which will total to 10 or more when combined?

There really *isn't* that many at all, and the ones that do exist give -1, -2 or some piddly inconsequential disapproval  number.  And even those are few and far between.

Saving the mages instead of letting them die for being "sheep", saving Connor maybe, saving redcliffe as you mentioned below, helping Cammen and Gheyna, trying to keep the Anvil instead of destroy it, etc.

The point is for a new player, you're better off bringing someone who is more compatible with your good character run. Yes bringing Morrigan is DOABLE, but for a new player, bringing Wynne is BETTER for approval purposes.

On the flip side, she's a mage.

So is Wynne.

Morrigan: Mage + some disapproves
Wynne: Mage + some approves

Math says Wynne is better. Better at keeping your party alive too since she starts out as spirit healer.

[sinosleep]

Original182 wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

On the flip side, she's a mage.

So is Wynne.

Morrigan: Mage + some disapproves
Wynne: Mage + some approves

Math says Wynne is better. Better at keeping your party alive too since she starts out as spirit healer.

Morrigan comes prespecced for CC and DPS however, Wynne comes prespecced as a healer. I've always found Morrigan to be far more useful, regardless of the fact that they are both mages.

As for the whole approval/disapproval thing, Morrigan is RIDICULOUSLY easy to please. You can, quite literally, bed her at the very first camp scenerio she's so easy. On top of that 3/4 of the gifts you find early on seem to be neckalces, pendants, and other assorted jewlery that Morrigan is predisposed to liking.

I've yet to play a wholeheartedly evil character (my closest is my current and it's an all melee build so Morrigan isn't a factor), and have played either mostly good, or flat out saintly characters and have rarely had her at anything less than 90%.

Modifié par sinosleep, 25 décembre 2009 - 11:17 .