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[Tazzmission]

Greed1914 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

can people just enjoy a game as being i dont know a game?

i swear we never had this much crying back during the sega/nintendo era

There also weren't the same outlets available.  People may have had plenty of complaints, but there wasn't a whole lot they could do to make their opinions known.  There was little opportunity to share ideas, and there was no way to know if others were doing things like sending commentary letters because most would not be published, and those that were appeared well after a game released.  If it was such a huge problem, companies would not even run forums. 

im just saying though todays generation of gamers are becoming spoiled and im not saying that to sound like an a hole or anything but its a game and why cant people except it for that?



i mean how many times does bioware have to tell people that the ec is the official ending till it sinks in?

[plfranke]

That's like asking "Won't it be a problem if Leviathan says their race will help you in the war, and then they don't show up at all in the final battle?" The answers to both questions are yes and Bioware doesn't care about either of them.

[LucasShark]

plfranke wrote...

That's like asking "Won't it be a problem if Leviathan says their race will help you in the war, and then they don't show up at all in the final battle?" The answers to both questions are yes and Bioware doesn't care about either of them.

Sadly true I suspect... it's just going to be really rather jarring when some DLC down the line gives us access to an adrift Prothean dreadnought or something and then we still never see it again.

[EnvyTB075]

Tazzmission wrote...

im just saying though todays generation of gamers are becoming spoiled and im not saying that to sound like an a hole or anything but its a game and why cant people except it for that?

i mean how many times does bioware have to tell people that the ec is the official ending till it sinks in?

That would be relevant in a BF or CoD discussion where someone complains about a certain weapon not being in the game and how the game is ruined because of it. THAT would be a spoiled gamer and they exist in the millions.

Complaining about an ending that doesn't make sense, tears apart a universe that a player is emotionally invested in with no attempt to address the glaring holes that are so bleeding obvious is not being "spoiled".

As for "its just a game", well motorsport is just a bunch of dudes driving round and round a racetrack all day. Football (all codes) is just a bunch of dudes chasing a ball for an hour. Does that mean they're spoiled if they put emotional investment into the things they love?

Everything can be simplified down to its basic foundations to show that an emotional bond with anything is "foolish". The "Its just a game" argument has no merit.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 30 août 2012 - 03:56 .

[plfranke]

LucasShark wrote...

plfranke wrote...

That's like asking "Won't it be a problem if Leviathan says their race will help you in the war, and then they don't show up at all in the final battle?" The answers to both questions are yes and Bioware doesn't care about either of them.

Sadly true I suspect... it's just going to be really rather jarring when some DLC down the line gives us access to an adrift Prothean dreadnought or something and then we still never see it again.

Yeah It's really sad when I see people posting "It doesn't matter if it affects the ending because I bought it for the story!", because the point of the story is finding something to fight the Reapers... If these things do nothing to actually fight the Reapers then the story was just as useless as the things we found. "
Commander we have reports of a legendary Prothean ship that's capable of taking out several Reapers at a time, but don't you get any ideas on Earth, because The Reapers can't be defeated conventionally without the Crucible! Hacket out."

[Tazzmission]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

im just saying though todays generation of gamers are becoming spoiled and im not saying that to sound like an a hole or anything but its a game and why cant people except it for that?

i mean how many times does bioware have to tell people that the ec is the official ending till it sinks in?

That would be relevant in a BF or CoD discussion where someone complains about a certain weapon not being in the game and how the game is ruined because of it. THAT would be a spoiled gamer and they exist in the millions.

Complaining about an ending that doesn't make sense, tears apart a universe that a player is emotionally invested in with no attempt to address the glaring holes that are so bleeding obvious is not being "spoiled".

As for "its just a game", well motorsport is just a bunch of dudes driving round and round a racetrack all day. Football (all codes) is just a bunch of dudes chasing a ball for an hour. Does that mean they're spoiled if they put emotional investment into the things they love?

6 months later yes i will say its sad and honestly pathetic really

hell i can argue and say im guilty for being a loose canon regarding hollywood remaking everything but that dosent mean as loud as i yell shout and make some nasty comments dosent mean hollywood will stop and actualoy come up with a new idea for a change

[EnvyTB075]

Tazzmission wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

im just saying though todays generation of gamers are becoming spoiled and im not saying that to sound like an a hole or anything but its a game and why cant people except it for that?

i mean how many times does bioware have to tell people that the ec is the official ending till it sinks in?

That would be relevant in a BF or CoD discussion where someone complains about a certain weapon not being in the game and how the game is ruined because of it. THAT would be a spoiled gamer and they exist in the millions.

Complaining about an ending that doesn't make sense, tears apart a universe that a player is emotionally invested in with no attempt to address the glaring holes that are so bleeding obvious is not being "spoiled".

As for "its just a game", well motorsport is just a bunch of dudes driving round and round a racetrack all day. Football (all codes) is just a bunch of dudes chasing a ball for an hour. Does that mean they're spoiled if they put emotional investment into the things they love?

6 months later yes i will say its sad and honestly pathetic really

hell i can argue and say im guilty for being a loose canon regarding hollywood remaking everything but that dosent mean as loud as i yell shout and make some nasty comments dosent mean hollywood will stop and actualoy come up with a new idea for a change

Well if your passion (can be anything) was turned completely upside down to the point where you can't enjoy it anymore, would you really turn the other cheek? Its easier to move on from an FPS to a new one, because its all basically the same with a few minor tweaks. Where do you go to find another universe like Mass Effect (other than Halo)? The fact is that the MEverse is one of a kind and people are rightfully upset that its being treated like a dogs breakfast.

Jumping up and down and shouting for all you've got brings about change quicker than alternative methods, in the game industry that would be a boycott, So i say keep doing it

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 30 août 2012 - 04:01 .

[Tazzmission]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

im just saying though todays generation of gamers are becoming spoiled and im not saying that to sound like an a hole or anything but its a game and why cant people except it for that?

i mean how many times does bioware have to tell people that the ec is the official ending till it sinks in?

That would be relevant in a BF or CoD discussion where someone complains about a certain weapon not being in the game and how the game is ruined because of it. THAT would be a spoiled gamer and they exist in the millions.

Complaining about an ending that doesn't make sense, tears apart a universe that a player is emotionally invested in with no attempt to address the glaring holes that are so bleeding obvious is not being "spoiled".

As for "its just a game", well motorsport is just a bunch of dudes driving round and round a racetrack all day. Football (all codes) is just a bunch of dudes chasing a ball for an hour. Does that mean they're spoiled if they put emotional investment into the things they love?

6 months later yes i will say its sad and honestly pathetic really

hell i can argue and say im guilty for being a loose canon regarding hollywood remaking everything but that dosent mean as loud as i yell shout and make some nasty comments dosent mean hollywood will stop and actualoy come up with a new idea for a change

Well if your passion (can be anything) was turned completely upside down to the point where you can't enjoy it anymore, would you really turn the other cheek? Its easier to move on from an FPS to a new one, because its all basically the same with a few minor tweaks. Where do you go to find another universe like Mass Effect (other than Halo)? The fact is that the MEverse is one of a kind and people are rightfully upset that its being treated like a dogs breakfast.

Jumping up and down and shouting for all you've got brings about change quicker than alternative methods, in the game industry that would be a boycott, So i say keep doing it

i can tell you right now. in todays day and age tv is dead to me do to all the reality bs they put on. im not kidding

as far as movie go's.......... the only thing that puts my butt into a chair at the theatre honestly is comic book films thats it

now imo i have an interest to see lawless and hopefully its good because im not a big fan of westerns but its peeked my interest

everything now a days is either a sequel 20 to 30 years to late or a crappy remake wich leaves a horrible taste in my mouth

i welcome new ideas i really do and thats why i cant fault bioware at all for the catalyst or leviathan or reapers new orgin

id rather they take a risk with something new instead of either 1. leaving it unanswered or 2 just some recycled story from some old tv show

Modifié par Tazzmission, 30 août 2012 - 04:10 .

[Gruntburner]

I have over 2000 war assets just from promoting in MP. So any contributions made from dlc are fairly negligible.

[PureLeadHead]

DOYOURLABS wrote...

My hope is that the last DLC makes refusal a win because of all the DLC rewards.

Exactly what I'm hoping. It may be a dream, but I think it's exactly what they should do with their last ME3 DLC.

[EnvyTB075]

So...your only passions were TV and movies? And you call me sad for caring about a single videogame that used to have a rich setting full of potential?

How is it a new origin? Organic (man) created an AI (machine) that then included them in the search for its answer (rebelled). Its the oldest sci-fi story in the book. Halo is far more unique than ME will ever be simply because of that.

If anything the Catalyst is simply an un-funny Deep Thought from Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy

[LucasShark]

Gruntburner wrote...

I have over 2000 war assets just from promoting in MP. So any contributions made from dlc are fairly negligible.

I meant more from a storytelling perspective than an actual numbers game.

[Mathias]

Mr.House wrote...

Bioware can not change the ending because of the EC. MS has a very stupid rule with dlc.

Yeah but they did change the dialogue with the Catalyst that's part of the EC.

[garrusfan1]

I have a feeling that if you buy all the dlc you will get a reunion or get to actually see your war assets in action

[Tazzmission]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

So...your only passions were TV and movies? And you call me sad for caring about a single videogame that used to have a rich setting full of potential?

i have a major passion for scifi i really do. and when i say scifi i mean real scifi and not that garbage you see on syfy channel where there motto is *imagine greater**

 im also  very passionate about  professtional wrestling and i can tell you right now as a fan of the wwe product for many years they are in dire need of a better creative team.

and lastly im passionate about games in general

hell i even written a script on a grand theft auto that is free roam throughout all 50 states

only problam is nobody will give me a shot because i can say things will be getting a major face lift if they got me doing a project or two

Modifié par Tazzmission, 30 août 2012 - 04:26 .

[garrusfan1]

PureLeadHead wrote...

DOYOURLABS wrote...

My hope is that the last DLC makes refusal a win because of all the DLC rewards.

Exactly what I'm hoping. It may be a dream, but I think it's exactly what they should do with their last ME3 DLC.

I think that is what their doing I mean good god the DLCs are huge

[hoodaticus]

Tazzmission wrote...

Greed1914 wrote...

Tazzmission wrote...

can people just enjoy a game as being i dont know a game?

i swear we never had this much crying back during the sega/nintendo era

There also weren't the same outlets available.  People may have had plenty of complaints, but there wasn't a whole lot they could do to make their opinions known.  There was little opportunity to share ideas, and there was no way to know if others were doing things like sending commentary letters because most would not be published, and those that were appeared well after a game released.  If it was such a huge problem, companies would not even run forums. 

im just saying though todays generation of gamers are becoming spoiled and im not saying that to sound like an a hole or anything but its a game and why cant people except it for that?



i mean how many times does bioware have to tell people that the ec is the official ending till it sinks in?

We're not spoiled; we just demand more.  It's called progress.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

if you ahve a number thats big enough you get to have a big fat boring ending where everyone shoots da reapers like a halo game.


the reapers are as strong as 10000. if you have 12000 then you are stronger den dem and your kame hame ha can win the fight! numberssss numerical values are the most important thing everrrrrr (seriously stop its lame to put so much importance on that value there)

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

hoodaticus wrote...
We're not spoiled; we just demand more.  It's called progress.

progress is to neuter the threat of a villain so that you can have another sequel.  Progress is just a developer giving felatio to a gamer and succumbing to the will.  progress is "demand what you want" entertainment where a creator is a slave to the user.

the user is the single most important thing ever in all of existence.  You as the user are entitled to get what you want, when you want it, at all times, no matter what, because you are smart and cool.  Just look at star trek 3.  Everyone said "Spock shouldnt be dead because then i'd be sad sometimes bring him back" and then they brought him back, because $$$  (never mind that startrek 4 was amazing)

Modifié par Doctor_Jackstraw, 30 août 2012 - 04:32 .

[LucasShark]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

if you ahve a number thats big enough you get to have a big fat boring ending where everyone shoots da reapers like a halo game.


the reapers are as strong as 10000. if you have 12000 then you are stronger den dem and your kame hame ha can win the fight! numberssss numerical values are the most important thing everrrrrr (seriously stop its lame to put so much importance on that value there)

You kind of missed the point.

[yukon fire]

JasonSic wrote...

devSin wrote...

You can already get EMS in the tens of thousands through multiplayer promotions.

It doesn't matter, and they don't care. The only problem it creates is that you don't actually have to do anything to win the game. Kill all your allies? Doesn't matter. Ignore every obtainable resource that could help in the fight? Doesn't matter.

But that's no different than anything else in the game. All of it can already be described with those two words: doesn't matter.

Yes, the tens of thousands of War Assets through MP promotions doesn't matter, as all it is is soldiers, N7 Spec Ops. All they can do is fight reaper ground forces. But going up against an actual reaper would be impossible. They would be annihilated in a second.

However, Leviathan as a War Asset does matter. Place a few of those artifact things near a reaper and Leviathan can deactivate that reaper before the reaper even knows wtf is going on.

The War Asset(s) from "Take Back Omega" will probably matter. It's rumored to be a massive weapon for the Normandy, or the ability to travel ultra-faster-than-light without the need of Mass Relays. That would ****ing matter.

Quit bashing Bioware because Bioware does care. 

I am sorry, you lost all credibility with that line. Because if they cared they'd be talking, instead of hiding behind a bad PR department and the "perfect scores" they bought.  

[LucasShark]

JasonSic wrote...

devSin wrote...

You can already get EMS in the tens of thousands through multiplayer promotions.

It doesn't matter, and they don't care. The only problem it creates is that you don't actually have to do anything to win the game. Kill all your allies? Doesn't matter. Ignore every obtainable resource that could help in the fight? Doesn't matter.

But that's no different than anything else in the game. All of it can already be described with those two words: doesn't matter.

Yes, the tens of thousands of War Assets through MP promotions doesn't matter, as all it is is soldiers, N7 Spec Ops. All they can do is fight reaper ground forces. But going up against an actual reaper would be impossible. They would be annihilated in a second.

However, Leviathan as a War Asset does matter. Place a few of those artifact things near a reaper and Leviathan can deactivate that reaper before the reaper even knows wtf is going on.

The War Asset(s) from "Take Back Omega" will probably matter. It's rumored to be a massive weapon for the Normandy, or the ability to travel ultra-faster-than-light without the need of Mass Relays. That would ****ing matter.

Quit bashing Bioware because Bioware does care. And to everyone else, don't mistake pessimism for wisdom.

And yet all the weapons in the universe won't matter if they never get used will they?

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

LucasShark wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

if you ahve a number thats big enough you get to have a big fat boring ending where everyone shoots da reapers like a halo game.


the reapers are as strong as 10000. if you have 12000 then you are stronger den dem and your kame hame ha can win the fight! numberssss numerical values are the most important thing everrrrrr (seriously stop its lame to put so much importance on that value there)

You kind of missed the point.

no i'm SUBVERTING the point.  you missed my point.  my point is that the number is actually meaningless.  Being able to just stop da reapers by getting TINY SHIPS and SPACE SCROLLS was a dumb idea and gave people a false hope.  It was a bad mechanic because it shouldn't and didnt mean anything to the story.  its too muddled an answer to some swervy rpg solutions.

using the EMS score and war assets as a reason is pointless unless you consider how meaningless most of those war assets ACTUALLY ARE in anything but battles against Marauders and Brutes.  :/  Anything that happens on the ground is almost always ultimately pointless.  The few ships and technologies that we do get wouldnt really matter as much as you'd want.  you're highly over-estimating how much good that ****ing fighter pilot in the london cutscene is going to be against anything bigger than an occulus.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

yukon fire wrote...

I am sorry, you lost all credibility with that line. Because if they cared they'd be talking, instead of hiding behind a bad PR department and the "perfect scores" they bought.  

The thing about internet rage is that theres no way to respond to it.  Bioware devs spending time to argue with trolls would just be the stupidest waste of time for anyone ever.  Its better to address issues people have in content, because it allows the game to speak for itself.


unless you just wanna rage at a guy.  everyone at any game company has a duty to go online and be yelled at by rage-aholics who are impossible to talk to.

[LucasShark]

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

LucasShark wrote...

Doctor_Jackstraw wrote...

if you ahve a number thats big enough you get to have a big fat boring ending where everyone shoots da reapers like a halo game.


the reapers are as strong as 10000. if you have 12000 then you are stronger den dem and your kame hame ha can win the fight! numberssss numerical values are the most important thing everrrrrr (seriously stop its lame to put so much importance on that value there)

You kind of missed the point.

no i'm SUBVERTING the point.  you missed my point.  my point is that the number is actually meaningless.  Being able to just stop da reapers by getting TINY SHIPS and SPACE SCROLLS was a dumb idea and gave people a false hope.  It was a bad mechanic because it shouldn't and didnt mean anything to the story.  its too muddled an answer to some swervy rpg solutions.

using the EMS score and war assets as a reason is pointless unless you consider how meaningless most of those war assets ACTUALLY ARE in anything but battles against Marauders and Brutes.  :/  Anything that happens on the ground is almost always ultimately pointless.  The few ships and technologies that we do get wouldnt really matter as much as you'd want.  you're highly over-estimating how much good that ****ing fighter pilot in the london cutscene is going to be against anything bigger than an occulus.

I'm well aware the numerical value is meaningless, I stated as much in another topic earlier this week.  The point was that as we get bigger and bigger rewards like the Leviathans, it gets increasingly silly that they are never applied or put to use from a story perspective.