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[riccaborto]

 I mean.. I like Bethesda kind of games.. but they are totally different from BioWare's! And I prefer BioWare's!

TES offers a large world and many things to do of course.. but what about characters?

Can you even compare Alistair, Morrigan, Oghren, Garrus.. to Bethesda's "Empty" Characters?

BioWare doesn't need to take inspiration from Skyrim. BioWare's formula is already magic, when properly used:

- Great Characters with Personality
- Epic Stories
- Epic Musics
- Interesting Locations
- Interesting Lore
- Choices
- Romance

You can do that BioWare... Why the hell should you look at Bethesda's work??? I don't understand!

I think most of BioWare Fan don't even care about having an Open World Game, they just want a GOOD GAME!

[agonis]

Agreed. Elder Scroles and the games Bioware makes are two completely different things. I enjoyed playing both for different reasons. If one of them would become like the other people like me would safe money and buy the one with the better rating.
The one thing that is pretty cool in Skyrim is the open world and the possibility to explore it. But I don´t miss it in Bioware´s games. I would miss the things mentioned above.

I think Skyrim is sometimes only there for the lulz:
"O look there, unimportant commoner, I´m the mightly Dragonslayer/Archmage/Boss of the Thieves Guild!!!"
NOBODY caaaares.

(In DAO I have a dwarf child named after me, a pretty tomb for my corpse and an mage tower... *g*)

Or the otherwise pretty good DLC Dawnguard, where you get the mission to kill some vampires and are story-forced to follow the vampire girl to her vampire-lord-fathers castle (!) for NO reason! If something like that would happen in Mass Effect or DA there would be such a ****storm...

Modifié par agonis, 30 août 2012 - 08:26 .

[Wulfram]

Depends on what exactly they're taking from Skyrim.

Skyrim is an example of a highly successful revamp of a character creation/leveling system.
Artistically they could be a source of inspiration too.

[ianvillan]

I agree and still cannot understand why they are so against taking inspiration from Dragon Age Origins, one of there most popular and successfull game to date.

[bloodmage13]

Skyrim has many things that could make the dragon age series better. Bioware could take inspiration from Skyrim's easy to inventory and the size of its world. In addition skyrim has awesome combat. In DA2, Bioware attempted to make combat better but overdid it. The speed should be slowed down to the pace of combat in skyrim. Also skyrim has many races but actually shows the female versions of those races.

[x12796]

Wulfram wrote...

Depends on what exactly they're taking from Skyrim.

Skyrim is an example of a highly successful revamp of a character creation/leveling system.
Artistically they could be a source of inspiration too.

Exactly my thoughts on the subject!  Both games are great and have strengths that can inspire the other to be better.  Bioware's strength's have always been in story telling, but TES has always been a great sandbox game with lots of exploring, and it's something that I've wanted in the Dragon Age games since they seem far more linear.

[zyntifox]

It might just be the cynic in me but i think they looked at the sales numbers of Skyrim and thought it was a smart thing to say from a marketing perspective. I would be surprised if there is any truth to it.

[Jorina Leto]

bloodmage13 wrote...
 Bioware could take inspiration from Skyrim's easy to inventory 

No. Skyrim's Inventory is horrible. HORRIBLE!


It's just an alphabetical list.
No stat sorting function.
No icons.
One wrong click and you have left the menu.
You have to select an item to see it's stats.

Sure Dragon Age II's isn't much better, but Skyrim's Inventory is an example of how to do it wrong.

[MichaelStuart]

Story wise, Skyrim is not that great.
Gameplay wise, Skyrim is brilliant.
There nothing stopping Bioware from adding brilliant gameplay to their brilliant stories.

[Eilaras]

 I don`t understand why they look to Skyrim, the witcher and mass effect, when dragon age:origins was such an amazing game! It`s like they are trying to change evrything that made the game so good. It was loved by the critics, it was loved by the players, and it sold really well. It seems like they want to expend the DA universe  and bring in new, younger fans with DA2, the comics, da-redemption and the anime (call of the seeker or whatever)  I don`t like it. Not one bit. I really hope DA3 is more like origins, but I will give it a chance anyway. 

Modifié par Eilaras, 30 août 2012 - 02:35 .

[wsandista]

I'd prefer they look to DAO, BG(2), NWN, NWN2 (MoTB especially) for inspiration. You know the Bioware games(and sequel to a Bioware game) that allow role-playing and do not have action combat.

[RedArmyShogun]

You think too small Goron. Gotta sell 5 mil copies or its a horrible game.

[Nefla]

Better than taking inspiration from CoD like they tried to do with DA2 I say.

[Fast Jimmy]

Agreed. One of the best aspects of Bioware games is the choice and dialogue. One of the worst aspects of Skyrim was its choice and dialogue.

And I don't think the guys (and gals) at Bethesda are bad story or dialogue writers. I just think when you are creating as much content and open world-ness to your game, it requires your writing to be much less flexible. If DA wants to copy some of that and make a larger world that is more wooden, then I don't think they will find Skyrim sales at the end of their rainbow.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I like both Beth's and BW's formulas to create games. I see Beth trying to improve the genre. They do not always succeed but their direction (open world RPG) is clear, whereas BW is moving away from their character and story driven RPGs towards action games with an interactive story. If BW wants a piece of Beth's cake then the only thing they have to do is to create great RPGs again. Don't flirt with Beth's sub-genre. Be innovative, creative and give it some love and attention. Leave action games to others. EA already has enough of those.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 30 août 2012 - 02:58 .

[Volus Warlord]

Um.. what the hell is with the "we want someone else's audience" mentality? It's a losing thought process. Trying to mold yourself to another rather than using what you are best at.

How about "we wanna make something awesome" ? If they do not like it, too bad.

True, I love Skyrim. Bethesda's open-world games are completely unrivaled. But Bioware is not Bethesda, and vice versa.

[Arcadian Legend]

Madness...

[Fast Jimmy]

Volus Warlord wrote...

How about "we wanna make something awesome" ? If they do not like it, too bad.

Well... they did make that one button last March...

[bleetman]

Yeah, I'd rather they just kept doing what they're actually good at.

That said, if they want to take inspiration from Bethesda's support for their modding community, that'd be just fine.

[Volus Warlord]

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

How about "we wanna make something awesome" ? If they do not like it, too bad.

Well... they did make that one button last March...

Do not remind me of the heretical marketing ploy known as the "awesome button." It is too painful.

[AngryFrozenWater]

There is so much incredible talent at BW and it is wasted, because they are now trying to compete in the largest segment of the industry (action games), which already is overcrowded. Looking at Skyrim's strong points doesn't get you there, because that's obviously counterproductive. The RPG section only has a few competitors, because everyone *thinks* RPGs are a niche market and that's why BW wants out. The over 10 million Skyrim copies sold proved that wrong. There is no reason to borrow from Skyrim, though. If BW wants to compete then maybe they need the same dedication: Create great RPGs with their own signature.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 30 août 2012 - 03:13 .

[Volus Warlord]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

There is so much incredible talent at BW and it is wasted, because they are now trying to compete in the largest segment of the industry (action games), which already is overcrowded. Looking at Skyrim's strong points doesn't get you there, because that's obviously counterproductive. The RPG section only has a few competitors, because everyone *thinks* RPGs are a niche market and that's why BW wants out. The over 10 million Skyrim copies sold proved that wrong. There is no reason to borrow from Skyrim, though. If BW wants to compete then maybe they need the same dedication: Create great RPGs with their own signature.

Dedication? No. BW wants rinse-and-repeat games loaded with microtransactions.

[BatmanPWNS]

Bioware should stop this "appealing to the masses" BS and just stick to what they already can do.