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[Heimdall]

Catroi wrote...

I've always defined Western RPGs as "Bioware-styled RPG" and "Bethesda-styled RPGs" and for a good reason, Bioware you're the masters for story-telling, no one cares about your gameplay, everyone is interested in what tale you're going to tell us!

There are many threads on these forums that would disagree with that statement.

[Apollo Starflare]

Wulfram wrote...

Depends on what exactly they're taking from Skyrim.

Skyrim is an example of a highly successful revamp of a character creation/leveling system.
Artistically they could be a source of inspiration too.

Pretty much this.

I mean, I rate the artistic bit is debatable as both teams are fantastic in that area on their day, but it really does depend what inspiration BioWare are drawing from Skyrim. It is extremely unlikely that just because they cite Skyrim as something that they are drawing inspiration from that they are going to attempt open world gameplay and ditch the focus on rich characterisation. Whilst they have the same, or similar, writing team working on this franchise I'm more than confident that they have that side of things covered.

[bloodmage13]

I think DA 3 should take some inspiration from DAO and fallout new Vegas. Both DAO and fallout new Vegas were great games that showed the capibilites of western RPGs. Both games had awesome side missions (da 2 had crappy side missions) and allow lots of customization. I chose my companions fighting style and armor. Both games also had long and engaging stories.
I liked fallout new Vegas in particular because your actions had immediate effects on the world. I could chose the which faction won and most in-game decisions had an impact.

[DarthChicken]

I think Bioware taking cues from Skyrim is a great idea but like others have said it's completely dependent on what they take.

[LeBurns]

 As many have said already I wish they would get their inspiration from DAO, not CoD (like they did with DA2).

Honestly I don't think BioWare even looks at game types anymore when they are developing a game.  They just look to see what's selling good and try to make their next game like that.  For DA2 it was CoD.  Now for DA3 it will be Skyrim?  Course XCOM Enemy Unknown will be out in a few months.  If it is successful maybe DA3 will be a turn based strategy game.

[Renmiri1]

 

LeBurns wrote...

 As many have said already I wish they would get their inspiration from DAO, not CoD (like they did with DA2).

Honestly I don't think BioWare even looks at game types anymore when they are developing a game.  They just look to see what's selling good and try to make their next game like that.  For DA2 it was CoD.  Now for DA3 it will be Skyrim?  Course XCOM Enemy Unknown will be out in a few months.  If it is successful maybe DA3 will be a turn based strategy game.

 

Or we get pandas!

Modifié par Renmiri1, 31 août 2012 - 01:11 .

[Heimdall]

LeBurns wrote...

 As many have said already I wish they would get their inspiration from DAO, not CoD (like they did with DA2).

Honestly I don't think BioWare even looks at game types anymore when they are developing a game.  They just look to see what's selling good and try to make their next game like that.  For DA2 it was CoD.  Now for DA3 it will be Skyrim?  Course XCOM Enemy Unknown will be out in a few months.  If it is successful maybe DA3 will be a turn based strategy game.

Well, when you put it that way, better Skyrim that CoD, right?

[Justin2k]

They look to Skyrim for DA3 the same way they looked to Gears of War for Mass Effect 3.

They daren't look at DA:O or ME1+2 for inspiration because that would be admitting Drew and Brent were better staff than Mac and Laidlaw are. Which they were, and they may as well just admit that and make the game their fans want to play.

You would think Bioware had learnt their lesson after two failures. Sure the paid off press love their new style of games, but the players don't. Just don't buy DA3, that is the answer that will get them going back to what worked, buying it is just encouraging this..

[Foolsfolly]

LeBurns wrote...

 As many have said already I wish they would get their inspiration from DAO, not CoD (like they did with DA2).

Honestly I don't think BioWare even looks at game types anymore when they are developing a game.  They just look to see what's selling good and try to make their next game like that.  For DA2 it was CoD.  Now for DA3 it will be Skyrim?  Course XCOM Enemy Unknown will be out in a few months.  If it is successful maybe DA3 will be a turn based strategy game.

Yes. There were too much killing Russians and first person segements in DA2.

[Foolsfolly]

Justin2k wrote...

They look to Skyrim for DA3 the same way they looked to Gears of War for Mass Effect 3.

They daren't look at DA:O or ME1+2 for inspiration because that would be admitting Drew and Brent were better staff than Mac and Laidlaw are. Which they were, and they may as well just admit that and make the game their fans want to play.

You would think Bioware had learnt their lesson after two failures. Sure the paid off press love their new style of games, but the players don't. Just don't buy DA3, that is the answer that will get them going back to what worked, buying it is just encouraging this..

Truth time, Gears of War 3 was actually a better series ender than Mass Effect 3. Not only did you win at the end but you got exactly what you thought you were getting with GoW3.... that is the end of the series where all the characters and mechanics you knew from the first two were improved upon.

That's the sad world we live in. Cliffy B knows how to end a series better than BioWare... the guys who made their bones with storytelling.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Skyrim = Best for diversity and lengh of gameplay.

DA = Best for Story and choices and romances.

If anyone looked at Skyrim for romance inspiration they truely are insane.
"Marriage" indeed.

[Mclouvins]

Nothing about what they said was at all earth shattering. This is a highly iterative medium and developers are always considering what other people are doing and looking at what works and what doesn't. The wasteland 2 team is probably cognizant of the successes and failures of both dragon age games, and some of their decisions may reflect that.

As far as I can recall this topic came up in an interview months ago when Skryim was all that anybody was talking about, so it makes sense that they would mention it. This does not necessarily mean that they are making The Elder Scrolls: Thedas. If that were to be the case then yes I would agree that Bioware is too beholden to trends instead of setting them, but the statement was really them just stating the obvious.

[Renmiri1]

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Skyrim = Best for diversity and lengh of gameplay.

DA = Best for Story and choices and romances.

If anyone looked at Skyrim for romance inspiration they truely are insane.
"Marriage" indeed.

 

What, your spouse cooks you a home meal everyday and gives you money, what's not to like ? 

Do you know how long it takes for me to get my BF to cook and clean ?!?!?

Modifié par Renmiri1, 31 août 2012 - 05:14 .

[Mello]

greengoron89 wrote...

"We want Skyrim's audience." Well good luck with that.

But if I were making the game, I'd rather have DA:O's audience instead.

BioWare actually said that?

But i agree i don't want another game like Skyrim, i already have Skyrim bought it, beat it, done if i wanted another Skyrim game i could just restart Skyrim or buy the DLC for skyrim.
Yeah sure it depends on what BioWare is taking notes on but really i think BioWare should take notes FROM US the FANS brilliant idea's all over these forums take notes from that not another video game i like BioWare's style. Skyrim's style is WAY different.  

[Arthur Cousland]

Catroi wrote...

I've always defined Western RPGs as "Bioware-styled RPG" and "Bethesda-styled RPGs" and for a good reason, Bioware you're the masters for story-telling, no one cares about your gameplay, everyone is interested in what tale you're going to tell us!

Not everyone.  I like a good story and have fun killing people too.  If Bioware were to just focus 100% on the story, then why not just release the next installment as a book and not a videogame at all?

[Provi-dance]

Catroi wrote...

Bioware you're the masters for story-telling, no one cares about your gameplay, everyone is interested in what tale you're going to tell us!

I care more about the gameplay than the story they're going to tell us.

[Dragoonlordz]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

greengoron89 wrote...

"We want Skyrim's audience." Well good luck with that.

But if I were making the game, I'd rather have DA:O's audience instead.

BioWare actually said that?
-snip-

No they did not say that.

I believe they said would like same level of success or something like that which is a rational and reasonable thing to say.

[Cutlasskiwi]

LeBurns wrote...

 As many have said already I wish they would get their inspiration from DAO, not CoD (like they did with DA2).

And I wish people would stop it with the CoD strawman 'arguments'.

Modifié par Cutlasskiwi, 31 août 2012 - 09:09 .

[Apollo Starflare]

Cutlasskiwi wrote...

LeBurns wrote...

 As many have said already I wish they would get their inspiration from DAO, not CoD (like they did with DA2).

And I wish people would stop it with the CoD strawman 'arguments'.

Yeah, I mean I can understand a fair number of the comparisons people make to DA2 even if I don't always agree with them, but that one is just so over the top and silly I can never take the rest of the post seriously.

On another note: We are all discussing the fact BioWare mentioned Skyrim as something they were looking at to some degree in regards to DA3, but let's not overlook the fact that they have much more vocally discussed looking back at Origins going into the development of DA3.

Now I don't think they will bring back everything people want from Origins (the silent protag for example), but something inbetween the two games styles is a distinct possibility.

[Dragoonlordz]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Cutlasskiwi wrote...

LeBurns wrote...

 As many have said already I wish they would get their inspiration from DAO, not CoD (like they did with DA2).

And I wish people would stop it with the CoD strawman 'arguments'.

Yeah, I mean I can understand a fair number of the comparisons people make to DA2 even if I don't always agree with them, but that one is just so over the top and silly I can never take the rest of the post seriously.

On another note: We are all discussing the fact BioWare mentioned Skyrim as something they were looking at to some degree in regards to DA3, but let's not overlook the fact that they have much more vocally discussed looking back at Origins going into the development of DA3.

Now I don't think they will bring back everything people want from Origins (the silent protag for example), but something inbetween the two games styles is a distinct possibility.

To be honest I don't think they (Bioware) ever said want the CoD crowd, they said (I think) broaden the audience.

From the discussions had and seen with the developers and things they have mentioned want to do and elements talked about on here and panals... I actually am really interested at the moment in the game. This is coming from a person who loved DA:O and who does not like DA2 very much (though I do not hate it I just did not enjoy it very much due to dislike of a lot of specific elements in the game).

They appear to be very much listening to people and even though will not get everything everyone wants, for me they are heading back in the right direction on topics about customisation, levels and being willing to discuss things like making crafting being much more detailed for those who enjoy that element in games.

There will always be some things individuals won't get their way in but for me personally so far has more going for it than against it. That may change over time but I don't expect everything to be made to my own personal specification in first place just hope to get as many elements I enjoy as possible.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 31 août 2012 - 11:15 .

[Boss Fog]

Cutlasskiwi wrote...

LeBurns wrote...

 As many have said already I wish they would get their inspiration from DAO, not CoD (like they did with DA2).

And I wish people would stop it with the CoD strawman 'arguments'.

Indeed.  DA2 can be a mediocre game and still be nothing like CoD, which it isn't!  Anyone who laughably tries to make this comparison really just seems to be jumping on the bandwagon.

[withneelandi]

Again, frankly there are lessons Bioware could learn from COD.

COD games aren't my cup of tea but what they have done over time is exactly what bioware failed to do with Da2, build a massive sales base outside of the genres standard fan base by being the "go to game" in your genre of choice for the casual gamer.

You do that, not by diluting the genre specific elements that you think might alienate the casual gamer, but by perfecting them. In that way COD is the go to game in the multi player first person shooter genre, Skyrim the same for single player fantasy RPGs.

Bioware had the chance to make Da2 the "if you own one single player RPG, own this one" game of its era by building on the sound foundations on da:O instead they made the mistake of thinking simplifcation = mass market appeal. Actually, good well crafted games = mass market appeal.

[Biotic_Warlock]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Biotic_Warlock wrote...

Skyrim = Best for diversity and lengh of gameplay.

DA = Best for Story and choices and romances.

If anyone looked at Skyrim for romance inspiration they truely are insane.
"Marriage" indeed.

 

What, your spouse cooks you a home meal everyday and gives you money, what's not to like ? 

Do you know how long it takes for me to get my BF to cook and clean ?!?!?

Jasana does not do housework, she'd destroy the place and then talk to me about how dwarves were as tall as elves.

[Primalrose]

If this encourages Bioware to make their worlds more beautiful and sandboxy, I think nobody is gonna to complain. However, Bioware are much better at stories and characters, I hope they don't lose sight of that trying to make a more gorgeous world.