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[dreman9999]

LadyWench wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

@LadyWench

Again, It was never staed that bioware had to give you the choices you want. That not what the series is about.
And I don't think it's all black and white ether...It isgrey ..That's why I'm ok with the improved endings. The issue hereis not that you want a convention ending but you want an ending with no compremises...That was never what BW stated the game was about...
 

"lots of choices, none of them easy."

That is what they advertized.

Do you even know what the orignal planned ending was? It was way more harsh than the ending we got.

With the orignal dark energy plot, the reaper were try to story the end of the galexy because it was losing dark energy and organic were making it drain faster.
The reaper found that humanity was a way to solve this and had to reaper to save the galexy.
You origanal choices were to let them reaper all of humanity including you or destroy the reapers and doom the galexy....

Yes, I know. And here is the link to what I said this waaay back at the beginning of this thread, if you are so inclined: Conventional victory does not mean victory without cost. If anything, it means even more risk and loss. But it's damn more satisfying.

I never said anyone had to GIVE me anything that I personally want. I just said there is enough interest in the BW fanbase for this option. That's really all. No demanding or whining. Just observing.

You miss what I mean.I meat you don't want to comprimes your morals. That the key problem here. That is whatbw wants to do with these choices. Cause moral conflict. Sacrificing armies to beat the reaper is not to that nor truely causes hat any more. We been doing that since ME1. It would not be a real hard choice any more...But having to choose between your morals and defeting the reaper is something differnt. It's true internal conflict.

As I said before, you don't what to comprise anything to win. Saying that i tcould be the sacrifice of armies instead of your moral misses  the point that you already are sacificing armies to kil the reapers based on you morals..It is not a hard choice any more.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 août 2012 - 07:10 .

[dreman9999]

AlanC9 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Forget the practical considerations. The OP is loaded up to the brim with emotional blackmail, a most reprehensible tactic, the same low tactic used by those "Hold the Line" gamers who donated to Child's Play in order to get the developers to submit to their ridiculous demands.

That's unfair. From what I've seen that's his real emotional state.

His emotional state is not everyones.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 août 2012 - 07:08 .

[MattFini]

babachewie wrote...

The Arrogance. Do the right thing for who? You? Some psycho on this site 24/7 constantly whining like a 3 year old that didn't get what they wanted. Im glad they aren't listening to people like you. Its not gonna be Bioware that ruins this series. Its gonna be people like you with your insurmountable demands and expectation. Its a good thing you're a minority.

Care to post all the hard data you've been analyzing to substantiate this claim?

[Dragoonlordz]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You think you have to read every single word to get an idea of what someone wants? Or are you merely moaning that I did not reply with mere "I agree" response? There is no decent discussion to have when you have a thread full of just yes-men.

really, calling us yes-men because we feel the same way she does in her OP. I don't have a problem with people liking the ending they wanted, but some of us don't like seeing some the choices we made in the series get nulled or having no effect thing endings or final battle like Bioware stated.

but apparently your just like that group of pro-enders who just trash on us and assume things

You assumed I was posting my opinion just to troll and be confrontational... I explained that was not the case and that I merely wanted different things. If I recall there was like 160k+ or more choices to take into account in ME3, you were always going to have some not represented. You also got effects from choices in the ending, even if was not visceral enough for your liking. It is fine to not enjoy the ending, it does not mean they are required to change and alter things to make every single person happy with it.

I am very much against them spending and wasting yet more time and money after EC had such time and money spent on in order to make yet more ending DLC. I want them to spend their time and money making DLC for those who enjoy the game on content that does not relate to the ending anymore. Leviathan was good (enjoyable), Omega is what they should be working on hopefully next not more ending DLC and I am grateful they appear to agree.

If they did not agree with me, fair enough but in that situation I would want them to do nothing more than cinematic of fleets being destroyed, a conventional loss not win. However they do agree with me on this and thats just how the cookie crumbles sometimes. I did not get hardly anything I wanted in ME2, in ME3 I was lucky and did and grateful it appears to remain that way according to Bioware.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 août 2012 - 07:14 .

[deatharmonic]

dreman9999 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Forget the practical considerations. The OP is loaded up to the brim with emotional blackmail, a most reprehensible tactic, the same low tactic used by those "Hold the Line" gamers who donated to Child's Play in order to get the developers to submit to their ridiculous demands.

That's unfair. From what I've seen that's his real emotional state.

His emotional state is not everyones.

Your powers of observation are incredible 

[Warrior Craess]

AlanC9 wrote...

Captain McBuck wrote..
Battle of Thermopylae.
Battle of Hastings.
Battle of Trefalgar.
Battle of Kursk On the Eastern Front
D-Day Operation Overlord.
The Tet Offensive.
Battle of East Pararall.

History is filled with examples where one battle has turned the face of a war around

Those are some pretty terrible examples. Thermopylae didn't decide anything. William wasn't losing before Hastings, though Harold really shouldn't have fought there. Kursk shouldn't have been fought either - the Germans were kidding themselves about being able to win there. Germany was already doomed before Overlord.

Umm you should re-read what he's saying. Those battles apply as he's stating them.

The Battle for thermopylae, allowed Athens to have enough time to evacuate. Result Persians lost a huge naval battle. King is dicouraged and leaves. Remaining forces later defeated soundly by Spartan lead greek forces.  in the end the war turned on the battle of Themopylea.

Hastings - Harold should have fought there, and if not for the decision of one of his generals, would have won handily.  It was the defining battle of the war, and where Harold died. Not only did this battle change the course of the war it changed the course of warfare.

As for Kursk, it really doesn't matter if the Germans were fooling themselves (strategic stupidity doesn't invalidate that the battle was a turning poiint).

Overload - ok thats a bit of a strech about being a turning point. Though it did save alot of lives during the invasion of normandy.

[Wrath of Bastila Shan]

3DandBeyond wrote...

People are asking you for reunion DLC and ME2 squadmates' DLC and more romance DLC.

Stopped reading when i read this.  I mean, yeah, there are alot of interesting, humorous, and badazz characters that we know and love, but come one.  I guess I'm in the extreme minority of people (or maybe I'm alone on this) that feels wanting to have blue or quarian babies not right for a game like this.   Maybe an online MMO, but not an RPG/action such as this.  I don't mind your Shep falling in love for a certain character, but why have a love scene.  And to have DLC just for that..... *shrugs shoulders*...................

Modifié par Wrath of Bastila Shan, 30 août 2012 - 07:24 .

[Jadebaby]

Wrath of Bastila Shan wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

People are asking you for reunion DLC and ME2 squadmates' DLC and more romance DLC.

Stopped reading when i read this.  I mean, yeah, there are alot of interesting, humorous, and badazz characters that we know and love, but come one.  I guess it's just me (or at least in the extreme minority) that feels wanting to have blue or quarian babies is a bit weird.  And to have DLC just for that..... *shrugs shoulders*...................

She was saying a lot of the fanbase wants it, not that s/he specifically wants it. You shouldn't handwave the rest of her post because of one little line..

All the pro-enders in here need to chill out...

[SkullStrife]

I totally agree with the OP!!!!!!!!!! Mass Effect was always about Union and Victory trought diversity!...

Remeber ME1... the conflict was everywhere not only with synthetics.. Krogan and Turians, Rachini with Krogans and Salarians, and even Humanity with all the rest! Humanity was upset about not being in the council and the rest of the races saw us as the "newbies"... Shepard started to change that (remember Ashley who disliked aliens?) probably the normandy was the first multi-species ship... he became the fisrt human spectre, saved the rachni (or not) Shepard showed us that the impossible is possible if we all cooperate and REALLY TRUST EACH OTHER (Loyalty missions in ME2) ... Harbinger Showed that reapers were not only powerful and independent but also cunning! he schemed the creation of a human reaper without the alliance even noticing.... then we met Legion (by far the best written character in ME2...) who spoke with us, made us know him, understand the Geth and see that sentient AI are not necessarily bad, they are just like us!!! (if you destroy the collector base Legion states that Shepard chose his own way like the Geth that rejected Sovereign-Nazara)......... the ending by making Shepard accept the inevitability of the conflict with machines (I said WTF I just made peace between quarians and Geth, also solved organic conflicts... and if we think about it conflcit between organics were always much worse...) the ending ruins all of this main ideas that were being carried out by the series until ME3.... the final words of Shepard in the Rejec ending are more like our vision of Shepard...

SO PLEASE LISTEN TO US BIOWARE AND GIVE US A PROPER ENDING, PLEASEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

If there are people who disagree with us, Bioware can easily make the DLC: Alternate Ending as Optional... end of problem, everyone happy! (they can even say that is non canon, I wouldn´t care!)

[dreman9999]

Warrior Craess wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Captain McBuck wrote..
Battle of Thermopylae.
Battle of Hastings.
Battle of Trefalgar.
Battle of Kursk On the Eastern Front
D-Day Operation Overlord.
The Tet Offensive.
Battle of East Pararall.

History is filled with examples where one battle has turned the face of a war around

Those are some pretty terrible examples. Thermopylae didn't decide anything. William wasn't losing before Hastings, though Harold really shouldn't have fought there. Kursk shouldn't have been fought either - the Germans were kidding themselves about being able to win there. Germany was already doomed before Overlord.

Umm you should re-read what he's saying. Those battles apply as he's stating them.

The Battle for thermopylae, allowed Athens to have enough time to evacuate. Result Persians lost a huge naval battle. King is dicouraged and leaves. Remaining forces later defeated soundly by Spartan lead greek forces.  in the end the war turned on the battle of Themopylea.

Hastings - Harold should have fought there, and if not for the decision of one of his generals, would have won handily.  It was the defining battle of the war, and where Harold died. Not only did this battle change the course of the war it changed the course of warfare.

As for Kursk, it really doesn't matter if the Germans were fooling themselves (strategic stupidity doesn't invalidate that the battle was a turning poiint).

Overload - ok thats a bit of a strech about being a turning point. Though it did save alot of lives during the invasion of normandy.

Do you understand that you compearing armies with limits in recources and numbers to the reapers who have no limits as a fleet?

[FOX216BC]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You think you have to read every single word to get an idea of what someone wants? Or are you merely moaning that I did not reply with mere "I agree" response? There is no decent discussion to have when you have a thread full of just yes-men.

really, calling us yes-men because we feel the same way she does in her OP. I don't have a problem with people liking the ending they wanted, but some of us don't like seeing some the choices we made in the series get nulled or having no effect thing endings or final battle like Bioware stated.

but apparently your just like that group of pro-enders who just trash on us and assume things

You assumed I was posting my opinion just to troll and be confrontational... I explained that was not the case and that I merely wanted different things. If I recall there was like 160k+ or more choices to take into account in ME3, you were always going to have some not represented. You also got effects from choices in the ending, even if was not visceral enough for your liking. It is fine to not enjoy the ending, it does not mean they are required to change and alter things to make every single person happy with it.

I am very much against them spending and wasting yet more time and money after EC had such time and money spent on in order to make yet more ending DLC. I want them to spend their time and money making DLC for those who enjoy the game on content that does not relate to the ending anymore. Leviathan was good (enjoyable), Omega is what they should be working on hopefully next not more ending DLC and I am grateful they appear to agree.

If they did not agree with me, fair enough but in that situation I would want them to do nothing more than cinematic of fleets being destroyed, a conventional loss not win. However they do agree with me on this and thats just how the cookie crumbles sometimes. I did not get hardly anything I wanted in ME2, in ME3 I was lucky and did and grateful it appears to remain that way according to Bioware.

However they do agree with me?
Don't you mean that you agree with them?
Or are you just being narcissistic?

Modifié par FOX216BC, 30 août 2012 - 07:24 .

[dreman9999]

SkullStrife wrote...

I totally agree with the OP!!!!!!!!!! Mass Effect was always about Union and Victory trought diversity!...

No it was not...

"Many disistion lie ahead...None of them easy."

[AlanC9]

dreman9999 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Forget the practical considerations. The OP is loaded up to the brim with emotional blackmail, a most reprehensible tactic, the same low tactic used by those "Hold the Line" gamers who donated to Child's Play in order to get the developers to submit to their ridiculous demands.

That's unfair. From what I've seen that's his real emotional state.

His emotional state is not everyones.

Of course not. I'm sure he knows better. If he implied that all the fans feel his way, that's just rhetoric.

[kyban]

Sorry OP that some feel the need to insult you.

Back to the original topic, I agree with it wholeheartedly. Despite what some of the negative people say, there are others who feel this way. Some say that it's just a game, but it's more than that to me. I love ME and the characters...

Please Bioware, listen to the plea. The emotions he speaks are true for many of your fans.

[AresKeith]

AlanC9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Forget the practical considerations. The OP is loaded up to the brim with emotional blackmail, a most reprehensible tactic, the same low tactic used by those "Hold the Line" gamers who donated to Child's Play in order to get the developers to submit to their ridiculous demands.

That's unfair. From what I've seen that's his real emotional state.

His emotional state is not everyones.

Of course not. I'm sure he knows better. If he implied that all the fans feel his way, that's just rhetoric.

she's really impling us who feels the same way her

[AtreiyaN7]

No - now go deal with it.

I don't know if you noticed this, but in this place I like to refer to as "the real world," people occasionally face dilemmas where they don't always get the desired outcome and have to accept it.

I opened the fridge this morning, and darn it all, I didn't have milk so my plan to have cereal was totally shot. Of course, said plan was also hampered by the lack of cereal. Maybe I should rage at God for not conveniently making milk or cereal available to me? Do you think that would work? I'm pretty sure it won't!

Fortunately, I was over my disappointment over not having cereal after a few seconds - instead of complaining about it for six months.

[Applepie_Svk]

MattFini wrote...

babachewie wrote...

The Arrogance. Do the right thing for who? You? Some psycho on this site 24/7 constantly whining like a 3 year old that didn't get what they wanted. Im glad they aren't listening to people like you. Its not gonna be Bioware that ruins this series. Its gonna be people like you with your insurmountable demands and expectation. Its a good thing you're a minority.

Care to post all the hard data you've been analyzing to substantiate this claim?

Somone missed the meaning of word arrogance here 

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 30 août 2012 - 07:29 .

[robertthebard]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Wrath of Bastila Shan wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

People are asking you for reunion DLC and ME2 squadmates' DLC and more romance DLC.

Stopped reading when i read this.  I mean, yeah, there are alot of interesting, humorous, and badazz characters that we know and love, but come one.  I guess it's just me (or at least in the extreme minority) that feels wanting to have blue or quarian babies is a bit weird.  And to have DLC just for that..... *shrugs shoulders*...................

She was saying a lot of the fanbase wants it, not that s/he specifically wants it. You shouldn't handwave the rest of her post because of one little line..

All the pro-enders in here need to chill out...

You want to hear a funny?  I'm not a pro-ender.  I choose to die at the beam in London, so far 10 out of 12 playthroughs.  I call it Ultimate Refusal, and if you look at my profile, under the picture, you'll see the same question I ask in my sig.  Seriously, if you don't like them, there is nothing except a legend save, that demands you play them.  I don't.  So whether you chose Refusal to flip a bird to BioWare, or Destroy, or Synthesis doesn't matter to me.  I find the whole fiasco funny, because there is a simple way out; Harbinger wins.  However, and the reason my thread about getting a legend save got a few views, but no replies or support is because people want butterflies and rainbows, regardless of what they say here.  It's easy to misrepresent the truth to say "no I dont', I just don't like SC and it's choices", but it's hard to just admit defeat.  I might have had to call an ambulance if the credits had rolled after the flash of light in London.  I would have been ecstatic with that ending.

[Conniving_Eagle]

160k choices? Whose ass did this come out of?

[Argetfalcon]

 good post

[FOX216BC]

dreman9999 wrote...

SkullStrife wrote...

I totally agree with the OP!!!!!!!!!! Mass Effect was always about Union and Victory trought diversity!...

No it was not...

"Many disistion lie ahead...None of them easy."

"Many decisions lie ahead... in all of them i'll end up dead"

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Forget the practical considerations. The OP is loaded up to the brim with emotional blackmail, a most reprehensible tactic, the same low tactic used by those "Hold the Line" gamers who donated to Child's Play in order to get the developers to submit to their ridiculous demands.

That's unfair. From what I've seen that's his real emotional state.

His emotional state is not everyones.

Of course not. I'm sure he knows better. If he implied that all the fans feel his way, that's just rhetoric.

she's really impling us who feels the same way her

But your not the majority.

[Xellith]

dreman9999 wrote...

@LadyWench

Again, It was never staed that bioware had to give you the choices you want. That not what the series is about.
And I don't think it's all black and white ether...It is grey ..That's why I'm ok with the improved endings. The issue here is not that you want a conventionaly victory ending but you want an ending with no compremises...That was never what BW stated the game was about...
 

"lots of choices, none of them easy."

That is what they advertized.

Do you even know what the orignal planned ending was? It was way more harsh than the ending we got.

With the orignal dark energy plot, the reaper were try to story the end of the galexy because it was losing dark energy and organic were making it drain faster.
The reaper found that humanity was a way to solve this and had to reaper to save the galexy.
You origanal choices were to let them reaper all of humanity including you or destroy the reapers and doom the galexy....

Take the humans.  No question.  Next.

[dreman9999]

FOX216BC wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

SkullStrife wrote...

I totally agree with the OP!!!!!!!!!! Mass Effect was always about Union and Victory trought diversity!...

No it was not...

"Many disistion lie ahead...None of them easy."

"Many decisions lie ahead... in all of them i'll end up dead"

When was it ever garunteed Shepard would live.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 août 2012 - 07:35 .