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[BD Manchild]

I don't make replies in a thread before reading OP. The original post is
a lot of "water" plus giant "NERF THE ENDINGS" phrase on the bottom.
And the entire thread is full of the same whining.

You have to
understand that BioWare insists on true sci-fi nature of the game. And
there are a lot of fans, who are on BioWare side. You are just wasting
your time. We will not allow you to corrupt ME Trilogy.

See, statements such as this are the very reason I cannot take pro-enders seriously under any circumstances. All they do, from what I've seen, is insult, belittle, act superior and generally act like a bunch of vindictive, even flat-out psychotic, cultists. I have to wonder if they even read their own words.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 08 septembre 2012 - 07:47 .

[Dragoonlordz]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Xellith wrote...

BD Manchild wrote...

Just giving this a quick bump as it doesn't deserve to slide into obscurity.

How dare you bump this thread!

If you have to keep forcing a bump to keep this topic under discussion then the problem is it has not got enough people interested in it to keep it alive on it's own. If it is fading away all the time, take the hint that there is not enough interest to keep it alive on it's own merits. I have noticed this alot with this thread few keep bumping it because others do not care to discuss in it so it faded away vast amount of times. You cannot even use the excuses that the section of the forum is moving at a fast pace because it is not. It is simply fading away all the time because is not enough people willing to discuss it's contents.

nice to try and discount someones thread again instead of leaving like you said awhile back

A dislike of reality does not make it less real. A dislike of common sense does not mean it does not make sense.

What I stated is reality, it was based on common sense. You merely dislike it.

I will leave it there, made my point and I will leave this thread to your forced bumps due to lack of interest or people who care enough to keep it alive on it's own merits through actual discussion instead of hitting it with paddles all the time to keep it alive.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 08 septembre 2012 - 08:05 .

[3DandBeyond]

robertthebard wrote...

It would probably help you to understand that  I was actually replying to the last comment in that pyramid, and used the High EMS Destroy as an example.  However, since I wound up with right at 7k TMS, so 3500 EMS, just how high, and how much changing are they going to have to do to get it  That's after Leviathan, and I'm not sure what else I can get there.  So depending on where you set the bar, it may indeed be impossible to get w/out MP.  All moot for me, my horse in this part of this race was the statement that BW had already rewritten the ending to please one faction.  Since that wasn't the case, I pointed it out with the best example I could come up with.  As you can see from that number though, if I fail to broker peace between the Geth and Quarians, I might fall short, pre Leviathan, to enough EMS to even get Synthesis offered.  All any future DLC does is give me breathing room if I mess up something else(pun not intended, although next time I may use it on purpose).

quote in context

Ok, the EMS would be contained in the DLC as I've stated ad nauseum-it would work along with what you now have and you only need 3100 EMS to get all the endings now.  I don't know why you only have 3500 after Leviathan since without MP with the original endings you could get somewhere around 3800 to around 4000. 

And your last statement is to the point that I was saying that a real Shepard lives and victory say with a Crucible Works ending is not to be easy to achieve, but neither would it require MP.  I think Leviathan gave you somewhere around 700 in assets. 

The geth/quarian thing is actually a minor give and take-you lose some net assets, but not a lot depending on what you do.  Choose to side with the quarians and you get a certain amount-more quarian assets.  Choose the geth and you get more geth, but I don't think it's enough to offset all the quarian ones lost, so you do have a minor net loss.  Choose to save Wrex, save Bakara, and cure the genophage and lose Mordin and you get a net minor loss compared to killing Wrex, letting Bakara die, saving Mordin and faking the cure.  IIRC.  Save or destroy the collector base-a net minor loss depending on choice-you get a little bit more of a bump I think from saving it.  I never have saved it, always went paragon so that always results in a net loss for me compared to the renegade decisions.

Say that as it stands you get these endings at 3100 EMS.
Say that the max you can get in the game without Leviathan is 3500 (leaving room for any EMS impact based on ME1 and 2 that may exist) and this is all attainable without MP-which it is.
And say that Leviathan nets you 350 EMS (say it's assets are 700)-I'm not sure of total assets you can gain.

So, you play the game and Leviathan and end up with 3450 EMS-you didn't do everything in the game at all-so you had enough before the end for all the EC endings.

Then pay for ending true destroy (an example only) is released.  It requires you to try to find the assets needed to finish the crucible so it can discriminate.  The total assets you can find are worth say 1100(the figure is arbitary but high enough so you can't get it by playing the base game and other DLC you might get alone).  So, without MP you get 550 EMS.  However, you also do need to find certain things in the DLC to finish the crucible so it will discriminate and allow Shepard to live.  EMS alone won't get you there.  I've said, it need not be easy to get the big kahuna victory ending.  So, if you don't have the EMS AND all the pieces, you can't get that full ending.  Shepard might die.  Or EDI might.  Or there might be other costs.  It's not just EMS-just as in the game you have to acquire and do certain things to advance the plot and to get to the endings.  You can't get to this ending just by playing MP.  The DLC unlocks it with specific assets you gain.

So for this ending maybe you need to have 4500 EMS (perfectly reasonable based on what you can get in the base game and in this DLC alone).  You can elect to add to your core game EMS through MP, but you still need particular assets for the ending.  And, should you want the endings you now have, just don't do sidequests in the core game or don't initiate this DLC in your game-should you get a message on Shepard's terminal that says someone needs your help in finding crucible parts (not what I'd want the message to say, but again an example), don't open it.  Just like in the case of Leviathan-don't read the message and you won't initiate that mission.  But if you want to play the mission and want the current endings just don't get enough EMS in the game as a whole or don't pick up all the assets you find in the DLC.  It's actually very simple and all I can say, Robert, is if you're playing the game and DLC packs, you need to experiment more with them and see that you can always avoid the DLC missions, play them and not do everything, or just avoid a lot of EMS in the game itself to see bad endings-then do the opposite and be a completionist and you can get enough EMS in the core game for the endings you "want". Well, I can't but some can.

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...


I don't make replies in a thread before reading OP. The original post is a lot of "water" plus giant "NERF THE ENDINGS" phrase on the bottom. And the entire thread is full of the same whining.

You have to understand that BioWare insists on true sci-fi nature of the game. And there are a lot of fans, who are on BioWare side. You are just wasting your time. We will not allow you to corrupt ME Trilogy.

BioWare already corrupted ME trilogy with their endings, EC wasn´t planned at all and without EC we all would at same boat - ****ing about unfinished product, difference betwen you and me is that you were demanding closure aka slideshow - I was demmanding rip off the Catalyst and whole concept of ending. You get your EC only because of united effort of fans which were trying to save Mass Effect and yet instead of understanding from BioWare we get another punch to the teeths.
Lot of those which accepted EC saying now that endings are acceptable - not that they liked them...

And something more... If they have never released EC - you would need to buy mutliple DLCs to get your answers of what happened in the end of game, just cut out EC and add to original ending Leviathan DLC which is in fact saying only what was told in the EC. ME3 ruined whole ME franchise for lot of people and more than accurate is to say that BioWare harm own reputation for few years ahead.

You say WE ARE ON BIOWARE SIDE AND WE WILL NOT ALLOW YOU CORRUPT ME ?
Look at all developer quotes from pre-release date and post release date, did you see ? You are blindly deffending someone which was lying and still lying straight to your face, even better you are celebrating that they are selling you game on parts.... 

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 08 septembre 2012 - 08:12 .

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Xellith wrote...

BD Manchild wrote...

Just giving this a quick bump as it doesn't deserve to slide into obscurity.

How dare you bump this thread!

If you have to keep forcing a bump to keep this topic under discussion then the problem is it has not got enough people interested in it to keep it alive on it's own. If it is fading away all the time, take the hint that there is not enough interest to keep it alive on it's own merits. I have noticed this alot with this thread few keep bumping it because others do not care to discuss in it so it faded away vast amount of times. You cannot even use the excuses that the section of the forum is moving at a fast pace because it is not. It is simply fading away all the time because is not enough people willing to discuss it's contents.

nice to try and discount someones thread again instead of leaving like you said awhile back

A dislike of reality does not make it less real. A dislike of common sense does not mean it does not make sense.

What I stated is reality, it was based on common sense. You merely dislike it.

I will leave it there, made my point and I will leave this thread to your forced bumps due to lack of interest or people who care enough to keep it alive on it's own merits through actual discussion instead of hitting it with paddles all the time to keep it alive.

riiighhtt

[Seival]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

Yea, the thread called "One Last Plea - Do the Right Thing", and full of whining about the endings clearly was created just for fun.

Ok. Have a fun then

Again Seival, you keep repeating the same thing that shows you have yet to even read my OP. I've asked you to do the decent thing and read my OP before commenting on it. You refuse to do so. Apparently you have an odd idea of fun.

I don't make replies in a thread before reading OP. The original post is a lot of "water" plus giant "NERF THE ENDINGS" phrase on the bottom. And the entire thread is full of the same whining.

You have to understand that BioWare insists on true sci-fi nature of the game. And there are a lot of fans, who are on BioWare side. You are just wasting your time. We will not allow you to corrupt ME Trilogy.

No, you did not read what I wrote and have repeated the same nonsense consistently.  Stop being sophomoric and redundant using hot button words to insult. 

I agree that ME was supposed to be Sci fi and not fantasy-you like fantasy.  I've seen your drawings Seival and read your OPs unlike what you've done here.  I know you see Shepard as a reaper still maintaining love for Liara and Liara loving Shreaper back.  That's fine for you, but Sci fi and true Sci fi?  No, not at all.  You have the endings you want even though they weren't what you wanted at all after the original endings, but now you say they are.

How am I threatening what you have?  And how could it possibly corrupt anything when it is about affirming life and true victory, both good things, and not reaper love as you see it?

As I said, I don't make replies in a thread before reading OP.

And looks like you didn't understand my pictures and what I've said before. I believe that Shepard dies in Control. Catalyst-Shepard can only be called Shepard's offspring. And this offspring may have nice relationships with the people Shepard knew and loved. But that doesn't mean "reunion possibility" or something like that. Catalyst-Shepard and Shepard's LI may become good friends. This is what my pictures really mean.

EC endings 90% repeat my own conclusions and thoughts on the original endings. EC didn't make any changes. EC just explained the endings in more details, and added the full-scale epilogue. My expectations were fully satisfied.



Each of the endings was about "affirming life and true victory" even before EC. If you can't make a really tough choice even in a game, then ME Trilogy is just not for you.

Modifié par Seival, 08 septembre 2012 - 08:19 .

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

As I said, I don't make replies in a thread before reading OP.

And looks like you didn't understand my pictures and what I've said before. I believe that Shepard dies in Control. Catalyst-Shepard can only be called Shepard's offspring. And this offspring may have nice relationships with the people Shepard knew and loved. But that doesn't mean "reunion possibility" or something like that. Catalyst-Shepard and Shepard's LI may become good friends. This is what my pictures really mean.

EC endings 90% repeat my own conclusions and thoughts on the original endings. EC didn't make any changes. EC just explained the endings in more details, and added the full-scale epilogue. My expectations were fully satisfied.



Each of the endings was about "affirming life and true victory" even before EC. If you can't make a really tough choice even in a game, then ME Trilogy is just not for you.

Your last line here and well this whole post proves you can't be taken seriously.  Your last sentence is insulting and belittling and meant to trivialize what people are saying.  Don't ever fracking tell me I can't make tough choices.  Please do explain the ones you have made in life for me that gives you that kind of ability to state emphatically just what I can and cannot do.

Have you had to decide whether someone will live or die in real life?  I have. 

Don't ever express this idiotic kind of statement ever again.  I am so sick and tired of people who do not know who the other human beings are on the end of their retorts telling them they don't know about real life or they don't know you can't always get what you want or they can't make tough choices.

Give me one example of a tough choice you have made in your life Seival that gives you the authority to tell me that I can't make tough choices. 

And then read my OP for clarity.  Your posts here have repeated the same vomited up garbage that others have used to show superiority over those who disagree about a game.  You call us whiners which fully indicates you have read nothing contained within this thread.  Act mature and come up with a valid thought that actually is directed at real content contained herein or move along, please.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 08 septembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Seival wrote...

<snip>

Each of the endings was about "affirming life and true victory" even before EC. If you can't make a really tough choice even in a game, then ME Trilogy is just not for you.

Per Mac Walters' interview on February 4 2012 the endings created a "galactic wasteland", and were not about "affirming life and true victory." Getting your facts straight would be a good first step. Nice attempt at spin though.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 08 septembre 2012 - 08:54 .

[obZen DF]

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It takes balls to call 3D a whiner. Just sayin'. His posts are full of constructive arguments and he never trolls or calling someone names.
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[AresKeith]

obZen DF wrote...

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It takes balls to call 3D a whiner. Just sayin'. His posts are full of constructive arguments and he never trolls or calling someone names.
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I miss Neutral in Mass Effect  lol

[Fiannawolf]

Why is it so wrong to ask for something uplifting or getting some other additions? Particularly for your PC. Real life is stressing enough without adding to the pot. I see sick people at work every day. Some of them have terminal sicknesses. Some of them just have common colds and such. Real life has challenges and setbacks and with games I like to feel like I've gone through a worthwhile journey. Beginning, middle and end are all equally important. Why? I want to sit back and leave this world behind for a little while and have some sort of entertaining story. Also because years from now I might want to go back to some old games and relive what made me enjoy gaming in the first place. At the moment I just started replaying DA Origins. It has everything I want or need in a game. A narritive that has a complete beginning, middle and depending on how you play it, real varied endings.

Its the type of game ala Fallout 1 and 2, New Vegas, that Ill go back to and enjoy like a good wine. I'll savor it because getting a complete experience nowadays seems to be getting more rare by the second. It wasnt DLCed to death in terms of the main game. The vanilla game had a feeling of internal logic and closure. Esp for the Warden and thier team mates. Even the ending where my warden dies makes sense. I wasnt teased with a possibility of a living warden. My one living Cousland warden got to have her semi fullfilling ending. Yes she got what she wanted but it was earned the hard way. Sacrifices and she lost things that were dear but in the end it was a viable possibility. All of the characters grew and changed and I got to see where everyone ended up. Awakenings and the other DA O DLCs were added layers to a complete cake. I enjoyed going back for 2ed and 3rds.

I want a fullfilling ME cake bioware. You've cooked awesome stuff in the past. I want to be able to have faith that DA3 and other projects wont fall short of a touchdown this time. Theres still a part of me that is holding a lone candle in the darkness.

Just my 2 cents.

[Iakus]

Fiannawolf wrote...

Why is it so wrong to ask for something uplifting or getting some other additions? Particularly for your PC. Real life is stressing enough without adding to the pot. I see sick people at work every day. Some of them have terminal sicknesses. Some of them just have common colds and such. Real life has challenges and setbacks and with games I like to feel like I've gone through a worthwhile journey. Beginning, middle and end are all equally important. Why? I want to sit back and leave this world behind for a little while and have some sort of entertaining story. Also because years from now I might want to go back to some old games and relive what made me enjoy gaming in the first place. At the moment I just started replaying DA Origins. It has everything I want or need in a game. A narritive that has a complete beginning, middle and depending on how you play it, real varied endings.

Its the type of game ala Fallout 1 and 2, New Vegas, that Ill go back to and enjoy like a good wine. I'll savor it because getting a complete experience nowadays seems to be getting more rare by the second. It wasnt DLCed to death in terms of the main game. The vanilla game had a feeling of internal logic and closure. Esp for the Warden and thier team mates. Even the ending where my warden dies makes sense. I wasnt teased with a possibility of a living warden. My one living Cousland warden got to have her semi fullfilling ending. Yes she got what she wanted but it was earned the hard way. Sacrifices and she lost things that were dear but in the end it was a viable possibility. All of the characters grew and changed and I got to see where everyone ended up. Awakenings and the other DA O DLCs were added layers to a complete cake. I enjoyed going back for 2ed and 3rds.

I want a fullfilling ME cake bioware. You've cooked awesome stuff in the past. I want to be able to have faith that DA3 and other projects wont fall short of a touchdown this time. Theres still a part of me that is holding a lone candle in the darkness.

Just my 2 cents.

Well said!

And at 116 pages in nine days, I hope Bioware gets this message.

[Redbelle]

Fiannawolf wrote...

Why is it so wrong to ask for something uplifting or getting some other additions? Particularly for your PC. Real life is stressing enough without adding to the pot. I see sick people at work every day. Some of them have terminal sicknesses. Some of them just have common colds and such. Real life has challenges and setbacks and with games I like to feel like I've gone through a worthwhile journey. Beginning, middle and end are all equally important. Why? I want to sit back and leave this world behind for a little while and have some sort of entertaining story. Also because years from now I might want to go back to some old games and relive what made me enjoy gaming in the first place. At the moment I just started replaying DA Origins. It has everything I want or need in a game. A narritive that has a complete beginning, middle and depending on how you play it, real varied endings.

Its the type of game ala Fallout 1 and 2, New Vegas, that Ill go back to and enjoy like a good wine. I'll savor it because getting a complete experience nowadays seems to be getting more rare by the second. It wasnt DLCed to death in terms of the main game. The vanilla game had a feeling of internal logic and closure. Esp for the Warden and thier team mates. Even the ending where my warden dies makes sense. I wasnt teased with a possibility of a living warden. My one living Cousland warden got to have her semi fullfilling ending. Yes she got what she wanted but it was earned the hard way. Sacrifices and she lost things that were dear but in the end it was a viable possibility. All of the characters grew and changed and I got to see where everyone ended up. Awakenings and the other DA O DLCs were added layers to a complete cake. I enjoyed going back for 2ed and 3rds.

I want a fullfilling ME cake bioware. You've cooked awesome stuff in the past. I want to be able to have faith that DA3 and other projects wont fall short of a touchdown this time. Theres still a part of me that is holding a lone candle in the darkness.

Just my 2 cents.

I too like cake.... and when I smelled the scent's wafting through the kitchen of advertising into the nostrils of the targeted consumers I would salivate pre-ordered finances to ensure that when it was brought into the dining room of my house and the lid raised! I would dive into that tasty goodness through my desktop that had become my plate.

And it was good! It was sooooo goooood. Till the end when when I bit down on something hard that wasn't supposed to be there. And then I tried to ignore my nagging sense of curiosity. Failed, epically, looked at the recipe and discovered the cake was a lie. Sorta. It had a bone in it.

[Dragoonlordz]

iakus wrote...

Fiannawolf wrote...

Why is it so wrong to ask for something uplifting or getting some other additions? Particularly for your PC. Real life is stressing enough without adding to the pot. I see sick people at work every day. Some of them have terminal sicknesses. Some of them just have common colds and such. Real life has challenges and setbacks and with games I like to feel like I've gone through a worthwhile journey. Beginning, middle and end are all equally important. Why? I want to sit back and leave this world behind for a little while and have some sort of entertaining story. Also because years from now I might want to go back to some old games and relive what made me enjoy gaming in the first place. At the moment I just started replaying DA Origins. It has everything I want or need in a game. A narritive that has a complete beginning, middle and depending on how you play it, real varied endings.

Its the type of game ala Fallout 1 and 2, New Vegas, that Ill go back to and enjoy like a good wine. I'll savor it because getting a complete experience nowadays seems to be getting more rare by the second. It wasnt DLCed to death in terms of the main game. The vanilla game had a feeling of internal logic and closure. Esp for the Warden and thier team mates. Even the ending where my warden dies makes sense. I wasnt teased with a possibility of a living warden. My one living Cousland warden got to have her semi fullfilling ending. Yes she got what she wanted but it was earned the hard way. Sacrifices and she lost things that were dear but in the end it was a viable possibility. All of the characters grew and changed and I got to see where everyone ended up. Awakenings and the other DA O DLCs were added layers to a complete cake. I enjoyed going back for 2ed and 3rds.

I want a fullfilling ME cake bioware. You've cooked awesome stuff in the past. I want to be able to have faith that DA3 and other projects wont fall short of a touchdown this time. Theres still a part of me that is holding a lone candle in the darkness.

Just my 2 cents.

Well said!

And at 116 pages in nine days, I hope Bioware gets this message.

Remind me how many pages the IT theory threads combined equal?

Number of pages do not matter. Content of which they either agree with or do not is what matters.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 08 septembre 2012 - 09:26 .

[Fiannawolf]

*eyes fridge* There is some cake in there right now.....and I have coffee downstairs.

@Redbelle: yes, I do believe we need delicious existance cake now. Like poor Chell we are trapped by a strange AI with perchance for slaughter....in that kid's case its the whole galaxy though....pity.

@iakus: YAY! My lone candle is burning abit brighter...maybe if we get all our flames together it will light a wonderful path thru the darkness eh?

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

iakus wrote...

Fiannawolf wrote...

Why is it so wrong to ask for something uplifting or getting some other additions? Particularly for your PC. Real life is stressing enough without adding to the pot. I see sick people at work every day. Some of them have terminal sicknesses. Some of them just have common colds and such. Real life has challenges and setbacks and with games I like to feel like I've gone through a worthwhile journey. Beginning, middle and end are all equally important. Why? I want to sit back and leave this world behind for a little while and have some sort of entertaining story. Also because years from now I might want to go back to some old games and relive what made me enjoy gaming in the first place. At the moment I just started replaying DA Origins. It has everything I want or need in a game. A narritive that has a complete beginning, middle and depending on how you play it, real varied endings.

Its the type of game ala Fallout 1 and 2, New Vegas, that Ill go back to and enjoy like a good wine. I'll savor it because getting a complete experience nowadays seems to be getting more rare by the second. It wasnt DLCed to death in terms of the main game. The vanilla game had a feeling of internal logic and closure. Esp for the Warden and thier team mates. Even the ending where my warden dies makes sense. I wasnt teased with a possibility of a living warden. My one living Cousland warden got to have her semi fullfilling ending. Yes she got what she wanted but it was earned the hard way. Sacrifices and she lost things that were dear but in the end it was a viable possibility. All of the characters grew and changed and I got to see where everyone ended up. Awakenings and the other DA O DLCs were added layers to a complete cake. I enjoyed going back for 2ed and 3rds.

I want a fullfilling ME cake bioware. You've cooked awesome stuff in the past. I want to be able to have faith that DA3 and other projects wont fall short of a touchdown this time. Theres still a part of me that is holding a lone candle in the darkness.

Just my 2 cents.

Well said!

And at 116 pages in nine days, I hope Bioware gets this message.

Remind me how many pages the IT theory threads combined equal?

Number of pages do not matter. Content of which they either agree with or do not is what matters.

true, but do you speak or work for Bioware?

[Dragoonlordz]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

iakus wrote...

Well said!

And at 116 pages in nine days, I hope Bioware gets this message.

Remind me how many pages the IT theory threads combined equal?

Number of pages do not matter. Content of which they either agree with or do not is what matters.

true, but do you speak or work for Bioware?

If I did I know a lot of people here that would hate what I would have to say. What Bioware has said though speaks for itself. Regardless of that however my point remains, just because has a lot of pages does not mean they are going to do something hence the IT reference which had vastly more pages than this one.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 08 septembre 2012 - 09:34 .

[NorDee65]

robertthebard wrote...

NorDee65 wrote...

Seival wrote...

Ozida wrote...

Seival wrote...

The harbinger of your humility keeps an eye on this thread, and reminds that you can't even imagine how many people like the endings as they are.

The harbinger of justice reminds you that despite of how many people liked the endings, that doesn't make number of people who disliked them any smaller.

And the harbinger of your humility reminds you that what you've said is one of the main reasons BioWare will never change the endings. They will never risk pleasing one side by disappointing the other.

But that is exactly what has already happened: You seem to belong to the group who is happy with the current endings, whereas I (and the "few" people who want a different ending -however small the difference) belong to another group. You seem to be pleased, we are disappointed.

No, this is not what has already happened.  In order for your assessment to be accurate, BW would have had to rewritten how the endings play out, since this is part of what is asked for here.  Let's look at part of it:

We want a Destroy ending that, with high enough EMS, the Geth and EDI don't have to die, and Shepard is seen flying off into the sunset on the Normandy.  This is, despite claims to the contrary, a complete rewrite of the Destroy ending.  They can't just add this or that to make it work without rewriting it.  Cool with me, not the issue here.  The issue here is you claiming that they have already rewritten the ending to satisfy somebody else.  That's not what happened.  They provided the EC for everybody, not everybody liked it.  This is different than writing the EC for people that were already happy with the endings.  They wrote it and released it for those that weren't and it didn't work for some, did for others.  This is an unintended consequence, not setting out to please a select group.  Is this semantics?  Possibly, however, context is important, and the context you're providing is inaccurate.

snip ...

I agree only partially with your assessment that Bioware wrote the EC for everyone. Directly after many people finished the game, the discussion on these forums and elsewhere on the internet began. Many people from all over the world analysed the game/endings and pointed out where the faults, plotholes etc lay. They asked pointed questions and made their desires/disappointments known. Employees of Bioware have stated that they read and listened. And yet the EC came out, where some problems were addressed but certainly not all. And then there is "reject". Maybe this was a nod towards those who were extemely unhappy, and maybe it was meant as a peace offering. Maybe. Or not. I am undecided.

I do not know if the EC could have been better had even more time been invested. However it came about, the EC was created ignoring most of what the "disappointed" people had defined as problematic.

Modifié par NorDee65, 08 septembre 2012 - 09:47 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Seival wrote...
If you can't make a really tough choice even in a game, then ME Trilogy is just not for you.

Hmmm... **** over the galaxy in three different versions in a painfully contrived fashion.

I agree, if those are the kind of "tough" choices I have to make in a game, then the ME3 trilogy definitely isn't for me.

A real tough choice would be something like Virmire or the Collector Base.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

AresKeith wrote...

true, but do you speak or work for Bioware?

Doubtful, but his point is a good one. We should keep realistic expectations of what changes Bioware is or is not liable to make. Particularly in comparison to the ME3 launch, where the sheer number of posts ensured nothing could stay on the front page, a 116 page thread is not a particularly impressive feat.

It doesn't mean that there isn't a good point to consider beneath all this, but the Retake movement is done. A great number of complainers (I was one of them) are now either satisfied via EC or just don't care.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 08 septembre 2012 - 09:42 .

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If I did I know a lot of people here that would hate what I would have to say. What Bioware has said though speaks for itself. Regardless of that however my point remains, just because has a lot of pages does not mean they are going to do something hence the IT reference which had vastly more pages than this one.

so you don't speak or work for Bioware then, ok

[AresKeith]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

true, but do you speak or work for Bioware?

Doubtful, but his point is a good one. We should keep realistic expectations of what changes Bioware is or is not liable to make. Particularly in comparison to the ME3 launch, where the sheer number of posts ensured nothing could stay on the front page, a 116 page thread is not a particularly impressive feat.

It doesn't mean that there isn't a good point to consider beneath all this, but the Retake movement is done. A great number of complainers (I was one of them) are now either satisfied via EC or just don't care.

that is true, but can Bioware really pass up a chance to make money and possibly please both sides of the fanbase through their DLCs?

[Darkin30]

After the EC I thought the ending was ok, and then I moved on and forgot the whole ending thing. When Leviathan came out I still had some points left so I bought it. But after launching ME3 I realized that I had absolutely no interest in playing it, or any Mass Effect game. Seems like the EC was just a painkiller for me, and now it's worn off and the ending still sucks.

Would be great if they do the right thing, but I doubt it. And so the Mass Effect trilogy ends not with a bang, but a whimper.

[Applepie_Svk]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Seival wrote...
If you can't make a really tough choice even in a game, then ME Trilogy is just not for you.

Hmmm... **** over the galaxy in three different versions in a painfully contrived fashion.

I agree, if those are the kind of "tough" choices I have to make in a game, then the ME3 trilogy definitely isn't for me.

A real tough choice would be something like Virmire or the Collector Base.

Vanila ending  "tough choices"  were simply ****, unkown entity appears in last 10 minutes to tell you pick a color which you like and EC that enity has been changed from unkown being of light into main antagonist of whole series-AI-Xzbit with Ya DAWG, which speak for itself - when you thought that things cannot be worse actually there is Dolan which will make sure that things will be even much more worse than before.

Those   "tough choices"  even with EC were still without metagamming just a blind jump into the unkown hoping that main antagonist speak truth and subduing into his plan... that´s not how you are winning the wars - You are winning by doing it on own terms and not on terms of enemy.

You should learn what is though and what is dumb choice at all...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 08 septembre 2012 - 09:51 .

[Fiannawolf]

Its still possible but at the moment trust is an issue. DLCs could help retcon the Kid even more or add in other options to allow for Shepard closure for all endings but it remains to be seen if the other SP DLCs will add this.
As far as DLC adding to the endings:

Additional dialog with the Kid is a start but ultimately Id find more entertainment from talking down Harbringer or having a coversation ala Leviathan. Sad to say that peice was bit more interesting because it was using the images of everyone else against you. Plus Shepard didnt act like a zombie while talking to the Levis in the dark/cold place. She sounded ticked off and aware that they were pulling an mental invasion.

Still all one can do is hope....still sad that the vanilla game shipped with such awesome missions like Broganland and Geth Consensus Vs Quarian Oh Dear but had the rabbit in a hat fumble....I wouldnt be here if I didnt care enough.