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[3DandBeyond]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

Actually, I'm trying to convince people to stop whining and accept ME Story as it is.

Actually, what I think this is all about is someone is not happy that DLC they suggested (which also included apparently a Shepard can live ending) was not widely embraced.  I just found such a thread written by Seival less than a month ago. 

So, should I have gone and told you Seival to accept the story as it is when you were suggesting DLC?  I didn't remember seeing that thread at all but it's really rather funny that you were suggesting DLC to change all endings just under a month ago and now you are criticizing me for asking for DLC to add to one ending as one possibility.

Please explain why it was ok for you to do that and not ok for me to do this.

You mean that one about triple syntheziz or that post ending DLC which doesn´t make a single sense ? like the ending of ME3 

The post-ending DLC from a pro-ender thread Seival created with a poll and that Seival keeps bumping for more votes.  I think someone is worried BW won't pick his/her suggestion or something whatever it is.  I personally have nothing against it, though it seems that none of it is open to other people's suggestions as s/he keeps telling them they're wrong if they say they'd like something else.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 08 septembre 2012 - 11:44 .

[Fiannawolf]

@Archonsg: Nail on the Head there. I can understand why people like those endings and even enjoy them and to loose that enjoyment would hurt. Kinda like how I feel at the moment. But bioware can always add to the game and not take away whats already there. Is it so much to ask for ME to have a lasting positive legacy? I want to be enthralled by the last 10% of the game. Emotionally speaking that is. Sure other parts didnt match up in a logical way but to tell the truth I was having too much fun with the other parts to notice in my first playthru.

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Seival I honestly think your trolling here, because you have no clue what this thread is about at all

Yes, words are cheap-says one thing proves another. Seival is supposedly happy with reaper love and that's fine.  Lovely head canon if it works.  Frankly I don't tend to love things that have eaten people, but hey not my choice.  It's Seival's and that's fine.  I think instead of then focusing on what will not interfere with that at all would be time better spent, but it's not my life. I post because I want something better and because I am requesting it.  I have no idea why someone happy with the endings would be here at all.  Nothing I've suggested would interfere with that.  I don't want to get in the middle of reaper love.

Nothing would interfere? Let's make a fast example from OP? 

In making Shepard choose those current endings and not giving people one truly satisfying ending that is the result of people truly uniting and lifting themselves up, you have ruined Shepard for many of us. In leaving Shepard in a heap in the only possible way for Shepard to live, after committing an unconscionable act, you are seeming to show disdain for fans and for Shepard. In adding refuse, which has the true Shepard back again, you are proving that people are just plainly incompetent and will fail. Please share with us what you mean by all this. It's not fun.

BioWare already said what did they mean by releasing EC. The whole point of the endings is not to give players even one truely satisfying ending. Any change to this will ruin ending's balance, and reduce the story's artistic value to the state of some cheap movie.

I'm sorry but you are hilarious.  I said I'm not asking for anything to interfere with what you now have and you say you will show an example and don't.

And then you don't think that what I suggest should be made because it would ruin the ending's balance and artistic value?  How then can you suggest DLC based on something that would add to endings (since I am suggesting adding to what we now have optionally)? 

I think you honestly believe that Bioware is going to use your suggestions and hire you or pay you for making them and you are worried that they might like other suggestions better.

What you are saying is that your suggestions for additions to the endings would not ruin the ending's balance and artistic value but mine would. 

Ok, you are hilarious.

[Seival]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

Actually, I'm trying to convince people to stop whining and accept ME Story as it is.

Actually, what I think this is all about is someone is not happy that DLC they suggested (which also included apparently a Shepard can live ending) was not widely embraced.  I just found such a thread written by Seival less than a month ago. 

So, should I have gone and told you Seival to accept the story as it is when you were suggesting DLC?  I didn't remember seeing that thread at all but it's really rather funny that you were suggesting DLC to change all endings just under a month ago and now you are criticizing me for asking for DLC to add to one ending as one possibility.

Please explain why it was ok for you to do that and not ok for me to do this.

You mean that one about triple syntheziz or that post ending DLC which doesn´t make a single sense ? like the ending of ME3 

The post-ending DLC from a pro-ender thread Seival created with a poll and that Seival keeps bumping for more votes.  I think someone is worried BW won't pick his/her suggestion or something whatever it is.  I personally have nothing against it, though it seems that none of it is open to other people's suggestions as s/he keeps telling them they're wrong if they say they'd like something else.

The post-ending DLC I suggested is essence of accepting ME Story as it is. While your suggestions are completely different, and inacceptable.

...Well, my suggestion actually has one major disadvantage which may stop devs from making it - a lot of voice actors needed for a quite small DLC. Making such DLC would be very expencive.

[3DandBeyond]

Fiannawolf wrote...

@Archonsg: Nail on the Head there. I can understand why people like those endings and even enjoy them and to loose that enjoyment would hurt. Kinda like how I feel at the moment. But bioware can always add to the game and not take away whats already there. Is it so much to ask for ME to have a lasting positive legacy? I want to be enthralled by the last 10% of the game. Emotionally speaking that is. Sure other parts didnt match up in a logical way but to tell the truth I was having too much fun with the other parts to notice in my first playthru.

Yes, exactly.  Great post.

I don't want to take anything away from them.  I know some feel that the EC was destructive to their game and I do feel that was a problem.  Other than uninstalling it you can't play the original endings if you preferred them.  It might have been nice if they had handled that as optional DLC too but perhaps that was too difficult since Leviathan and other DLC would alter dialogue in the end.  And perhaps because future DLC is intended to further alter the endings-it is quite possible that this was always planned.  Many think Synthesis will be the end result, but if so, that really will end ME for most IMO.

I fully believe they want to leave us with a positive feeling about ME-I don't think the creators of anything want you to dislike their creation. 

And yes there were other parts that were problematic but the only reason they mattered was because the ending was so lacking for me.  There's nothing wrong with themes of redemption, diversity, and unity with a heavy emphasis on the characters that made all that matter.

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

The post-ending DLC I suggested is essence of accepting ME Story as it is. While your suggestions are completely different, and inacceptable.

...Well, my suggestion actually has one major disadvantage which may stop devs from making it - a lot of voice actors needed for a quite small DLC. Making such DLC would be very expencive.

Once again indicates you did not read my OP.  You like the story as is supposedly.  Nothing would change that for you.  You can keep ignoring that, but that is exactly what I have suggested.  There is essentially no difference in what I've suggested as to impact on your game at all.  The difference would be that more people would be a bit happier.  I can't see why you'd be so dead set against that except for some need to be mean.  I might have suggested they completely redo it all and destroy the endings you like and force you into an ending I want.  I didn't do that but you keep insisting I did.

And what I have also suggested is different ways to do it.  Even if through Shepard only play where Shepard must find certain assets with EMS attached to them that would add things to the ending.  I have suggested minimally invasive ways to do this and have expressly asked them to consider something that would not change the endings for people that like them now.

[Fiannawolf]

@Seival: Ok...so you dont want Bioware to change your endings again even though thru Retake, HTL, and others we were able to get the EC which gave people a Control/Synth/ ect ect Speeches/Content that you obviously like. Why is it so bad that fans want a successful Refusal option? Or Post Destroy reunions? Its not like it would invalidate your Control choice.

BTW: I do like the emotional content of your youtube vid. Why so hostile when you made something that even caused a fan like me, who doesnt give control even a flicker of a glance, so much confrontation in this thread? The fans shouldnt be fighting one another...we should be fighting for more epic level Mass Effect stories. Thats why we are all here...because we love this series to bits.

[Seival]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Seival I honestly think your trolling here, because you have no clue what this thread is about at all

Yes, words are cheap-says one thing proves another. Seival is supposedly happy with reaper love and that's fine.  Lovely head canon if it works.  Frankly I don't tend to love things that have eaten people, but hey not my choice.  It's Seival's and that's fine.  I think instead of then focusing on what will not interfere with that at all would be time better spent, but it's not my life. I post because I want something better and because I am requesting it.  I have no idea why someone happy with the endings would be here at all.  Nothing I've suggested would interfere with that.  I don't want to get in the middle of reaper love.

Nothing would interfere? Let's make a fast example from OP? 

In making Shepard choose those current endings and not giving people one truly satisfying ending that is the result of people truly uniting and lifting themselves up, you have ruined Shepard for many of us. In leaving Shepard in a heap in the only possible way for Shepard to live, after committing an unconscionable act, you are seeming to show disdain for fans and for Shepard. In adding refuse, which has the true Shepard back again, you are proving that people are just plainly incompetent and will fail. Please share with us what you mean by all this. It's not fun.

BioWare already said what did they mean by releasing EC. The whole point of the endings is not to give players even one truely satisfying ending. Any change to this will ruin ending's balance, and reduce the story's artistic value to the state of some cheap movie.

I'm sorry but you are hilarious.  I said I'm not asking for anything to interfere with what you now have and you say you will show an example and don't.

And then you don't think that what I suggest should be made because it would ruin the ending's balance and artistic value?  How then can you suggest DLC based on something that would add to endings (since I am suggesting adding to what we now have optionally)? 

I think you honestly believe that Bioware is going to use your suggestions and hire you or pay you for making them and you are worried that they might like other suggestions better.

What you are saying is that your suggestions for additions to the endings would not ruin the ending's balance and artistic value but mine would. 

Ok, you are hilarious.

According to this reply, you didn't manage to understand the endings even after EC. This is actually the real source of your problem with the endings, not the endings themselves...

...I have a good suggestion for you. Don't make suggestions about something you still don't understand completely.



P.S. If you need something to be explained, ask players who already understand the matter. They will be happy to help. No need to make "final pleas" for 100+ pages for that.

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...


The post-ending DLC I suggested is essence of accepting ME Story as it is. While your suggestions are completely different, and inacceptable.

...Well, my suggestion actually has one major disadvantage which may stop devs from making it - a lot of voice actors needed for a quite small DLC. Making such DLC would be very expencive.

You should rather read first OP then you start posting, inacceptable for who ? You mean those artist which are trying to kill the fire which they setm, and with each new attempt fire grow bigger ...

Your suggestion was heading to 4 ways and each of them was same and irrational...


Control. 
Goal: Reach the Citadel (Citadel Tower, Council Chamber) and talk to the Catalyst-Shepard's hologram.
Enemies: Remaining Cerberus troops.
Allies: Reaper warships and Hasks, some United Fleet forces. 

- Cerberus was controlled by Reapers and most if not all of them fall with Cronos, if even someone survived they will be controled by Reapers - etc Shepbringer,  so you have lost your enemy  


Synthesis.
Goal: Reach the Earth and talk to the Harbinger.
Enemies: Remaining Cerberus troops.
Allies: United Fleet forces, some independent Reaper warships and Hasks.

- Cerberus was controlled by Reapers and most if not all of them fall with Cronos, so you have lost your enemy, ofc and with synthesis all will be a friends

Destory.
Goal: Reach the Earth and talk to Admiral Hackket (if Shepard survived, then talk to Shepard).
Enemies: Remaning Cerberus troops.
Allies: United Fleet forces.

- Cerberus was controlled by Reapers and most if not all of them fall with Cronos, so you have lost your enemy.

Refusal.
Goal: Install one of Liara's beacons and die trying to escape from Reaper forces. Watch Normandy's (and its crew) death.
Enemies: Reaper warships and Hasks.
Allies: Remaining Cerberus troops, some remains of United Fleet. 

- Cerberus was controlled by Reapers and what would be point to be hunted by cuttlefish empire on starmap trying to plant as much beacons as you can... ? Remains of united fleet - wait what ?

Seival wrote...

This is one more prove that you didn't understand the story completely. You just can't see how your suggestions will ruin the story...

...I can try to help you to understand. Just ask the questions.

 

Post ending DLC which you were suggesting is looks like you were the one which completly missed the meaning of ending.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:25 .

[Seival]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

The post-ending DLC I suggested is essence of accepting ME Story as it is. While your suggestions are completely different, and inacceptable.

...Well, my suggestion actually has one major disadvantage which may stop devs from making it - a lot of voice actors needed for a quite small DLC. Making such DLC would be very expencive.

Once again indicates you did not read my OP.  You like the story as is supposedly.  Nothing would change that for you.  You can keep ignoring that, but that is exactly what I have suggested.  There is essentially no difference in what I've suggested as to impact on your game at all.  The difference would be that more people would be a bit happier.  I can't see why you'd be so dead set against that except for some need to be mean.  I might have suggested they completely redo it all and destroy the endings you like and force you into an ending I want.  I didn't do that but you keep insisting I did.

And what I have also suggested is different ways to do it.  Even if through Shepard only play where Shepard must find certain assets with EMS attached to them that would add things to the ending.  I have suggested minimally invasive ways to do this and have expressly asked them to consider something that would not change the endings for people that like them now.

This is one more prove that you didn't understand the story completely. You just can't see how your suggestions will ruin the story...

...I can try to help you to understand. Just ask the questions.

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

The post-ending DLC I suggested is essence of accepting ME Story as it is. While your suggestions are completely different, and inacceptable.

...Well, my suggestion actually has one major disadvantage which may stop devs from making it - a lot of voice actors needed for a quite small DLC. Making such DLC would be very expencive.

Once again indicates you did not read my OP.  You like the story as is supposedly.  Nothing would change that for you.  You can keep ignoring that, but that is exactly what I have suggested.  There is essentially no difference in what I've suggested as to impact on your game at all.  The difference would be that more people would be a bit happier.  I can't see why you'd be so dead set against that except for some need to be mean.  I might have suggested they completely redo it all and destroy the endings you like and force you into an ending I want.  I didn't do that but you keep insisting I did.

And what I have also suggested is different ways to do it.  Even if through Shepard only play where Shepard must find certain assets with EMS attached to them that would add things to the ending.  I have suggested minimally invasive ways to do this and have expressly asked them to consider something that would not change the endings for people that like them now.

This is one more prove that you didn't understand the story completely. You just can't see how your suggestions will ruin the story...

...I can try to help you to understand. Just ask the questions.

personal insults won't help you

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

According to this reply, you didn't manage to understand the endings even after EC. This is actually the real source of your problem with the endings, not the endings themselves...

...I have a good suggestion for you. Don't make suggestions about something you still don't understand completely.



P.S. If you need something to be explained, ask players who already understand the matter. They will be happy to help. No need to make "final pleas" for 100+ pages for that.

Hmmm.  Another fine post.  This again is a non-answer to real and relevant posts.  Stop derailing this thread please.  I know you hate it that you have to keep bumping your own thread and this bothers you.  I don't know why but for some reason you take this thread as a personal insult to you.  It's not.  You should be basking in the happiness of what you have.  Instead, you have come here and repeatedly insulted me, lied, complained, and stated that I'd singlehandedly ruin the game because my suggestion was not yours.  I understand there's a little bit of envy or something that you have to post actual "bumps" in a 24 day old thread. 

But if people like what you suggest then they will post.  My OP isn't even the best thing about this thread-it's the people who have so touchingly expressed their own wishes, reasons, and feelings.  I opened this up to give them a place to do that and I'd appreciate it if you didn't stomp all over them and me in this way.  Act like you can have at least minimal respect for the fact that we are all people, human beings with feelings and differing opinions.  I don't like yours, you don't like mine.  The difference is, I'm not obsessed with proving you wrong and trying to win the "Best Liked by Bioware" Lifetime achievement award.  If I'm even in the running (I'm not), I give all my votes to you-you win.  They like you better than me. Go celebrate. 

They will never like me more than you, because I have not totally liked what they have done.  No, I truthfully have exclaimed and expressed full knowledge and understanding of what the endings mean and that I do not like them.  That's my opinion and it is not theirs and not yours.  So, your vision is that it would just be better that we all agree on everything all the time, I guess.  Well, not in this lifetime and not in this world.  I like diversity and rational and decent disagreement and discussion over that any day.  I would defend to the death your right to disagree with me, but the moment you attack me personally and decide not to discuss my opinions, you have lost the debate. 

I'm not doing this just for my own satisfaction, but in response to what I perceive is a desire of a lot of fans of ME.  I've stated also that it is in response to some who state they cannot write that well in English or are not that eloquent and I wanted them to have a voice as well.  I am asking BW to consider that there are real human beings here who do have and do see a lot of sad things in their lives.  They played ME as a way to get out of that, to be the hero for a few hours a day and they saw themselves as Shepard, overcoming the odds to succeed again and again.  No, not everyone played this way, but a huge lot of people did.  ME3 for some was to be their entertainment for the year-I kid you not.  I've gotten messages from people saying that.  But when their entertainment does not entertain and they haven't the money to buy anything else and can't return something that just makes them feel bad, what do they do?  I know that's an extreme example but there are others that have written me with similar tales and I can't ignore that.  I don't think BW can either.  At the end of the day they are just like us-people, trying to feed a family and to find some happiness in their lives.  Part of that for us included ME and no doubt that's a part of why they made it, as well as to make money.  We have loved it and still love much of it, but there's a big part that just ruins the fun for us and I suspect, knowing that ruins part of the fun for BW as well.

[Seival]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

You should rather read first OP then you start posting, inacceptable for who ? You mean those artist which are trying to kill the fire which they setm, and with each new attempt fire grow bigger ...

Your suggestion was heading to 4 ways and each of them was same and irrational...

http://social.biowar...ndex/13693416/1

As I already said, I don't post in a thread before reading its OP.

And I already gave an example of how OP suggestion can ruin the story:

Seival wrote...
Nothing would interfere? Let's make a fast example from OP?

In making Shepard choose those current endings and not giving people one truly satisfying ending that is the result of people truly uniting and lifting themselves up, you have ruined Shepard for many of us. In leaving Shepard in a heap in the only possible way for Shepard to live, after committing an unconscionable act, you are seeming to show disdain for fans and for Shepard. In adding refuse, which has the true Shepard back again, you are proving that people are just plainly incompetent and will fail. Please share with us what you mean by all this. It's not fun.

BioWare already said what did they mean by releasing EC. The whole point of the endings is not to give players even one truely satisfying ending. Any change to this will ruin ending's balance, and reduce the story's artistic value to the state of some cheap movie.

[Fiannawolf]

Alright lets see:

Ways to add little things to post breath that wouldnt take much.

A shot of Huerta Mem Hospital with a shadowed N7 figure lying in the bed with obvious lifesigns. Nameplate at the edge says "Shepard." Then cut to the Normandy docking at the Citidel.

Add sound effects of people digging thru rubble to find Shepard...even have a random no name say, "Adm. Hackett we found him/her"

A still shot of Shep and LI relaxing after Space kid and grandpa scene. For talimancers this can be Rannoch sunset. For liaramancers it can be Earth or Thessia ect. Ditto for Garrus peeps. Or even add Shep into the slides with Miri or Jack at the end. That way Shep is with them at last. Have Thane fans with Kolyat.

Bonus points if its a wedding slide. Yea Im a sappy person....oh well. XD

As for refusal success option. Use some of the Destroy slides and sides featuring EDI/Geth. Have Shepard and others narrate each part or even use old awesome sound files from all 3 ME games to create a montage of sacrifice needed to win.

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...


As I already said, I don't post in a thread before reading its OP.

And I already gave an example of how OP suggestion can ruin the story:

Seival wrote...
Nothing would interfere? Let's make a fast example from OP?

In making Shepard choose those current endings and not giving people one truly satisfying ending that is the result of people truly uniting and lifting themselves up, you have ruined Shepard for many of us. In leaving Shepard in a heap in the only possible way for Shepard to live, after committing an unconscionable act, you are seeming to show disdain for fans and for Shepard. In adding refuse, which has the true Shepard back again, you are proving that people are just plainly incompetent and will fail. Please share with us what you mean by all this. It's not fun.

BioWare already said what did they mean by releasing EC. The whole point of the endings is not to give players even one truely satisfying ending. Any change to this will ruin ending's balance, and reduce the story's artistic value to the state of some cheap movie.

Yeah, but no.  Nowhere did Bioware say they don't want players to have a truly satisfying ending.  That's your view of things.  Only an insane dev would say "let's not give players a satisfying ending so they freaking hate the game" because it's so much fun to play games with horrible endings. 

You have no idea what you are talking about as far as balance and you just keep saying meaningless things.  You also have no concept of true art as it applies to mass consumerism at all.  And cheap movies-wow, popular movies are anything but cheap.  Contrived endings with no relationship to the story that came before, now that's rather cheap.  Popular movies may have endings you feel are a bit trite, but that's not even always the case and so what.  I assume Bioware wants to make money-that is also where my request comes from.  Your vision of a non-satisfying ending would ruin movie producers and drive game devs out of business.  Good idea.

If you don't want your ending's balance ruined, it wouldn't be.  You could embrace that artistic value till the end of time and no one would take it from you.  The quote you have included from my OP is no proof of anything you've said in this thread after numerous posts.

I also think I have rather a better idea of what the endings all mean and would never suggest that the enemies be replaced in all DLC by Cerberus.  In fact, this is one big flaw of the game: too much Cerberus and not enough reapers.

I personally (and I speak for many others) feel that actually adding to the endings would elevate ME3 to the status they truly wanted for it.  It would affirm the themes of redemption (a constant theme until the end and best seen in self-determination, something ruined by control), diversity (synthesis smashes that to pieces), and unity (destroy kills all that).  The main themes of 3 games are thrown by the wayside by these choices.

I do however have to thank you Seival-thank you for supporting my thread.  I can't support any of yours, thus I do not post in them.  I fully support your right to express your opinions, but I will not post in support of them in your threads or your poll.  Thank you though for supporting all of us here in keeping this thread alive.  It means so very much. 

[Seival]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

According to this reply, you didn't manage to understand the endings even after EC. This is actually the real source of your problem with the endings, not the endings themselves...

...I have a good suggestion for you. Don't make suggestions about something you still don't understand completely.



P.S. If you need something to be explained, ask players who already understand the matter. They will be happy to help. No need to make "final pleas" for 100+ pages for that.

Hmmm.  Another fine post.  This again is a non-answer to real and relevant posts.  Stop derailing this thread please.  I know you hate it that you have to keep bumping your own thread and this bothers you.  I don't know why but for some reason you take this thread as a personal insult to you.  It's not.  You should be basking in the happiness of what you have.  Instead, you have come here and repeatedly insulted me, lied, complained, and stated that I'd singlehandedly ruin the game because my suggestion was not yours.  I understand there's a little bit of envy or something that you have to post actual "bumps" in a 24 day old thread. 

But if people like what you suggest then they will post.  My OP isn't even the best thing about this thread-it's the people who have so touchingly expressed their own wishes, reasons, and feelings.  I opened this up to give them a place to do that and I'd appreciate it if you didn't stomp all over them and me in this way.  Act like you can have at least minimal respect for the fact that we are all people, human beings with feelings and differing opinions.  I don't like yours, you don't like mine.  The difference is, I'm not obsessed with proving you wrong and trying to win the "Best Liked by Bioware" Lifetime achievement award.  If I'm even in the running (I'm not), I give all my votes to you-you win.  They like you better than me. Go celebrate. 

They will never like me more than you, because I have not totally liked what they have done.  No, I truthfully have exclaimed and expressed full knowledge and understanding of what the endings mean and that I do not like them.  That's my opinion and it is not theirs and not yours.  So, your vision is that it would just be better that we all agree on everything all the time, I guess.  Well, not in this lifetime and not in this world.  I like diversity and rational and decent disagreement and discussion over that any day.  I would defend to the death your right to disagree with me, but the moment you attack me personally and decide not to discuss my opinions, you have lost the debate. 

I'm not doing this just for my own satisfaction, but in response to what I perceive is a desire of a lot of fans of ME.  I've stated also that it is in response to some who state they cannot write that well in English or are not that eloquent and I wanted them to have a voice as well.  I am asking BW to consider that there are real human beings here who do have and do see a lot of sad things in their lives.  They played ME as a way to get out of that, to be the hero for a few hours a day and they saw themselves as Shepard, overcoming the odds to succeed again and again.  No, not everyone played this way, but a huge lot of people did.  ME3 for some was to be their entertainment for the year-I kid you not.  I've gotten messages from people saying that.  But when their entertainment does not entertain and they haven't the money to buy anything else and can't return something that just makes them feel bad, what do they do?  I know that's an extreme example but there are others that have written me with similar tales and I can't ignore that.  I don't think BW can either.  At the end of the day they are just like us-people, trying to feed a family and to find some happiness in their lives.  Part of that for us included ME and no doubt that's a part of why they made it, as well as to make money.  We have loved it and still love much of it, but there's a big part that just ruins the fun for us and I suspect, knowing that ruins part of the fun for BW as well.

First of all, I don't hate anything, because hate is counter-productive and dangerous.

Secondly, the stories are not always about the fun (especially sci-fi). Some stories are sad, and instructive. You have to accept that. Asking the writers to "fix it" is terribly wrong, because that will not be something writers wanted to say anymore.

Finally, if you really want to help some particular fans, then give them a good example. Accept the endings as they are. All this thread does right now is keeping a "low-profile hate burning".

Modifié par Seival, 09 septembre 2012 - 12:51 .

[3DandBeyond]

Fiannawolf wrote...

Alright lets see:

Ways to add little things to post breath that wouldnt take much.

A shot of Huerta Mem Hospital with a shadowed N7 figure lying in the bed with obvious lifesigns. Nameplate at the edge says "Shepard." Then cut to the Normandy docking at the Citidel.

Add sound effects of people digging thru rubble to find Shepard...even have a random no name say, "Adm. Hackett we found him/her"

A still shot of Shep and LI relaxing after Space kid and grandpa scene. For talimancers this can be Rannoch sunset. For liaramancers it can be Earth or Thessia ect. Ditto for Garrus peeps. Or even add Shep into the slides with Miri or Jack at the end. That way Shep is with them at last. Have Thane fans with Kolyat.

Bonus points if its a wedding slide. Yea Im a sappy person....oh well. XD

As for refusal success option. Use some of the Destroy slides and sides featuring EDI/Geth. Have Shepard and others narrate each part or even use old awesome sound files from all 3 ME games to create a montage of sacrifice needed to win.

Yes, simple and yet elegant.  That's truly it, would love to have real, authentic consequences for the horror the galaxy came through and averted.  People in such an aftermath would be stealing glimpses of happiness.

[AresKeith]

3DandBeyond wrote...


Yeah, but no.  Nowhere did Bioware say they don't want players to have a truly satisfying ending.  That's your view of things.  Only an insane dev would say "let's not give players a satisfying ending so they freaking hate the game" because it's so much fun to play games with horrible endings. 

well Mac Walters did say he wanted the Galaxy to be a Wasteland

[Seival]

AresKeith wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...


Yeah, but no.  Nowhere did Bioware say they don't want players to have a truly satisfying ending.  That's your view of things.  Only an insane dev would say "let's not give players a satisfying ending so they freaking hate the game" because it's so much fun to play games with horrible endings. 

well Mac Walters did say he wanted the Galaxy to be a Wasteland

Why don't I hate the game then? Even partially.

Maybe complicated sci-fi stories are just not for you? Try something easier.

[Iakus]

Fiannawolf wrote...

Add sound effects of people digging thru rubble to find Shepard...even have a random no name say, "Adm. Hackett we found him/her"

I actually saw an "ending fix" video on youtube that (among other things) did just that.  Sounds of rubble being moved taken from ME1's ending and Liara going "Shepard!" just as the breath was taken.

Imagine what Bioware could have done with the same scene and professional resources.

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...


Yeah, but no.  Nowhere did Bioware say they don't want players to have a truly satisfying ending.  That's your view of things.  Only an insane dev would say "let's not give players a satisfying ending so they freaking hate the game" because it's so much fun to play games with horrible endings. 

well Mac Walters did say he wanted the Galaxy to be a Wasteland

Why don't I hate the game then? Even partially.

Maybe complicated sci-fi stories are just not for you? Try something easier.

how are you gonna tell me what is and what isn't for me, Are you me? No. So don't don't insult me by saying something pointless as that

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

First of all, I don't hate anything, because hate is counter-productive and dangerous.

Secondly, the stories are not always about the fun (especially sci-fi). Some stories are sad, and instructive. You have to accept that. Asking the writers to "fix it" is terribly wrong, because that will not be something writers wanted to say anymore.

Finally, if you really want to help some particular fans, then give them a good example. Accept the endings as they are. All this does right now is keeping a "low-profile hate burning".

Talk is cheap, action speaks volumes.  You have continually called me names here and been outright nasty.  That is not kind and shows hatred.  You have no problem calling anyone names.  I have however shown real restraint with you because you use passive aggressiveness and implied insults even when you are not out and out insulting me.  Spare me the love if this is the best behavior you can muster.

It is never wrong to ask something of anyone if it's constructive.  Better writers and truly great people have changed endings to things based on fan requests.  And these were people that were far more focused on their art than on profits.  Why should Bioware be held to some higher standard than they are?

You truly are sad and pitiable if what you've gotten from this thread is hate burning.  The ones fomenting hate here have been those like you.  I've professed little other than love-for BW and for ME.  I love my brother, but I don't like everything he does either and I tell him and he tells me and we still love one another.  I've stated the same wish here for BW and for ME.

I see positive things and it is you focusing on the negative for your own spiteful and hate-filled reasons.  I can see no other explanation for it, because that is how you have acted.  You can prove otherwise by apologizing for what you've done and how you've acted here.  Or you can move on or you can keep belittling me.  You indicate I should be an example to others and move on.  Oh, the irony. 

And, this indicates you didn't read or understand what I said-some others spent their entertainment money for the year on ME3 and it is now unplayable for them.  They have no money for other games and can't sell what they have.  How do they move on?  I live in the real world where not everyone is as lucky as me-I can play other games.  It's true though that I liked ME far better than those other games-that doesn't mean I don't play them, but it doesn't mean I just want to throw away ME if there's a chance BW might consider making it replayable for me and others.  I can ask and it's up to them to see what might work for all of us.  I believe they could make money and feel good doing it.  I believe that they would receive a lot of thanks for doing it.  And I don't believe this would personally hurt you.

[3DandBeyond]

iakus wrote...

Fiannawolf wrote...

Add sound effects of people digging thru rubble to find Shepard...even have a random no name say, "Adm. Hackett we found him/her"

I actually saw an "ending fix" video on youtube that (among other things) did just that.  Sounds of rubble being moved taken from ME1's ending and Liara going "Shepard!" just as the breath was taken.

Imagine what Bioware could have done with the same scene and professional resources.

Yes, a little would have meant so much and there were some very tasteful ways to do it.

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...


Yeah, but no.  Nowhere did Bioware say they don't want players to have a truly satisfying ending.  That's your view of things.  Only an insane dev would say "let's not give players a satisfying ending so they freaking hate the game" because it's so much fun to play games with horrible endings. 

well Mac Walters did say he wanted the Galaxy to be a Wasteland

Why don't I hate the game then? Even partially.

Maybe complicated sci-fi stories are just not for you? Try something easier.

Where I come from this is hateful and an insult.  Please stop derailing this thread for your own reasons.

[eoinnx03]

Good post, It's all ruined now though, theres no way to burn the endings away. They did what they did, they tried to fix it, let's just sigh move on and hope Dragon age 3 isn't terrible.