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[Blueprotoss]

Chashan wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
This is very true.  I'm really surprised that some people aren't modding what they don't like what happens in most PC related games.

Problem is that ME3 is not exactly too modding-friendly, especially concerning that.

Otherwise, if someone manages to squeeze appropriate slides and scenes into Destroy's timeframe, I would be all over that. I am mostly fine with it as is, and it makes ignoring Blue and Green that much easier, but viewing an appropriate end within the game in one go without returning to desktop and viewing one of the many well-crafted fan-made ending cinematics would be that much more appealing...

ME3 isn't mod friendly while that hasn't stopped mods from being produced.

[3DandBeyond]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

People come and go prior to ME3 in Bioware, people came and went prior to ME2 aswell and also prior to ME1. Thats how has always been. Bioware brand has increased and now covers even more studios under the brand than during ME1 and during ME2 periods. EA's finances since ME3? Your kidding right if your trying to imply that EA's in anyway bad shape due to ME3. Do you even realise how many studios are part of EA and your trying to imply ME3 had any major impact? ME3 sold very, very well. It did more good to EA's finances than bad.

Bioware brand has increased and now covers even more studios under the brand? Thats transerring, not laying off

Well I'm looking at EA's Finance since ME3 release date and its been going down since then but recently comes back up, every Bioware game sells good on its release date


but thats besides the point, this thread isn't trying to force Bioware to do anything

Well, we don't know what net sales are like-the Gamestops and Best Buys around me had a lot of returns.  Amazon had a lot of returns and so on.  And, judging by the numbers of used copies stores near me have, DLC might not do so well.  I'm not saying I wish for this to be the case, but it's an indicator that something's not good here.

[Blueprotoss]

The RPGenius wrote...

I love it when people spout the "I'd like to see YOU do better!" line. The "logic" that no human being can be allowed to have an opinion, positive or negative, of a product until they themselves have created something similar is perhaps the most patently absurd and obviously stupid concept I've ever encountered. Not only is it an idea that attempts to convince people that they should have no standards of discrimination and simply accept anything and everything they encounter as good and valid regardless of its nature--don't think or make choices, just accept and purchase more!--but as long as the person making this statement has ever uttered an opinion about a book, TV show, movie, song, comic, cartoon, picture, meal, governmental plan of action, piece of craftsmanship, or, yes, video game, they're being outrageous hypocrites.

Everyone can have an opinion while if you want the endings to be changed then you'll be better off becoming a modder to make your own endings.  Bioware has said millions of times that they aren't going to change the ends especcially after the EC.

[Blueprotoss]

3DandBeyond wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

People come and go prior to ME3 in Bioware, people came and went prior to ME2 aswell and also prior to ME1. Thats how has always been. Bioware brand has increased and now covers even more studios under the brand than during ME1 and during ME2 periods. EA's finances since ME3? Your kidding right if your trying to imply that EA's in anyway bad shape due to ME3. Do you even realise how many studios are part of EA and your trying to imply ME3 had any major impact? ME3 sold very, very well. It did more good to EA's finances than bad.

Bioware brand has increased and now covers even more studios under the brand? Thats transerring, not laying off

Well I'm looking at EA's Finance since ME3 release date and its been going down since then but recently comes back up, every Bioware game sells good on its release date


but thats besides the point, this thread isn't trying to force Bioware to do anything

Well, we don't know what net sales are like-the Gamestops and Best Buys around me had a lot of returns.  Amazon had a lot of returns and so on.  And, judging by the numbers of used copies stores near me have, DLC might not do so well.  I'm not saying I wish for this to be the case, but it's an indicator that something's not good here.

True but it would also vary from area to area.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:12 .

[3DandBeyond]

Blueprotoss wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

AresKeith wrote...


Bioware brand has increased and now covers even more studios under the brand? Thats transerring, not laying off

Well I'm looking at EA's Finance since ME3 release date and its been going down since then but recently comes back up, every Bioware game sells good on its release date


but thats besides the point, this thread isn't trying to force Bioware to do anything

Well, we don't know what net sales are like-the Gamestops and Best Buys around me had a lot of returns.  Amazon had a lot of returns and so on.  And, judging by the numbers of used copies stores near me have, DLC might not do so well.  I'm not saying I wish for this to be the case, but it's an indicator that something's not good here.

True but it woould also vary from area to area.

I agree.  I'd never state anything as a hard and fast fact here.  It's anecdotal at best, but it is troubling as is the precipitous drop in the price new.  I have played more than my share of games and I've often later on bought games for my nephews and niece and my brother.  I've bought other games that had a price much higher than ME3 has at this point in their lifespan.  And I've seen used games for a higher price than ME3 is new.  Again, I'm not saying I want that.  It just is a troubling sign. 

What I would rather see is a way to end this debate with everyone willing to compromise a little bit, just give something to make it all a bit better, because I'd like to see BW create more ME or ME type games with a new hero.  Read the codex-there are so many cool tales that could be told just from things in there.  I'd be foolish to say I want a company who has made some of the most awesome games with the most awesome stories fail.  I don't.  I wish the best for them, but I wish a little bit for all of us and I tried not to forget anyone here.  I didn't want to take away from what others like, but I wanted others to have something they would like and I wanted BW to see that it could be a win for everyone, including them.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:16 .

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

Looks like you don't see the difference between hating and disliking. Ok, that is not my problem.

BioWare already shown by their actions that they care about the ideas much more than about the money.

I believe BioWare already stated somewhere on BSN they don't take requests, and our suggestions should not interfere with the game's main concepts. And not giving player any ideal ending is one of the main ME concepts.

Ha ha ha ha.   BW is a part of a bigger company that is all about profits, make no mistake.  That does not mean they don't want to make quality products, but one BW exec said that EA's input to them was that they were fine as long as it made money.  No company can live on that statement that they care about ideas much more than about money.  They may value both, but they cannot sell their ideas if they don't make money.

And if BW doesn't take requests then why are you giving them requests.  You will never answer this: why are you allowed to make suggestions but tell me I am not.  Answer that, please.

Make suggestions, other people might disagree but they are not saying your not allowed to suggest things. This also includes you do not tell them to shut up or leave this thread because hold an opposing view to some of your ideas. The one thing you do need to stop doing big time is posting nonsense about being Bioware's savior, that your here to save their profits, their studio and implications that if don't do as you want they will go out of business or lose all their fans. Every single year and every single game they make you have some people crawl out of the woodwork self-proclaiming they are here to save Bioware or Bioware's fanbase or Biowares profits.

[elitehunter34]

Seival wrote...
EC didn't change the endings at all. The endings were just explained in more details.

Yes, BioWare could gain a lot of profit by changing the endings. But instead they showed us they care about the ideas more than about the money.

Regardless of whether you think so or not, the endings were changed.   In the original endings the Mass Relays were destroyed.  In the EC they were only damaged.  That is a change.  There was no refusal ending in the past, and the EC added it.  That was a change.

In reply to one of your other comment about requests, Bioware incorporates fan feedback all the time, they've said it countless times in the forums.  If there is enough demand they will consider it.  It's one of the main reasons why Tali (and I believe Garrus too) became love interests. 

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

AresKeith wrote...


Bioware brand has increased and now covers even more studios under the brand? Thats transerring, not laying off

Well I'm looking at EA's Finance since ME3 release date and its been going down since then but recently comes back up, every Bioware game sells good on its release date


but thats besides the point, this thread isn't trying to force Bioware to do anything

Well, we don't know what net sales are like-the Gamestops and Best Buys around me had a lot of returns.  Amazon had a lot of returns and so on.  And, judging by the numbers of used copies stores near me have, DLC might not do so well.  I'm not saying I wish for this to be the case, but it's an indicator that something's not good here.

True but it woould also vary from area to area.

-snip-

It's anecdotal at best, but it is troubling as is the precipitous drop in the price new.  I have played more than my share of games and I've often later on bought games for my nephews and niece and my brother.  I've bought other games that had a price much higher than ME3 has at this point in their lifespan.  And I've seen used games for a higher price than ME3 is new.  Again, I'm not saying I want that.  It just is a troubling sign. 

-snip-

Already showed how the bolded part you are implying is flawed. The price is about right for time came out and comparison to other games around same time despite personal preferences of what you or others think is good and bad games. The only exception is Skyrim, all other games are around same price as ME3. Every game released in past 12 months compared to Skyrim price wise is worse off or same (if only just came out) regardless of quality. So Skyrim is one cannot use for equal comparison with any game thats older than few months.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:28 .

[Blueprotoss]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I agree.  I'd never state anything as a hard and fast fact here.  It's anecdotal at best, but it is troubling as is the precipitous drop in the price new.  I have played more than my share of games and I've often later on bought games for my nephews and niece and my brother.  I've bought other games that had a price much higher than ME3 has at this point in their lifespan.  And I've seen used games for a higher price than ME3 is new.  Again, I'm not saying I want that.  It just is a troubling sign. 

What I would rather see is a way to end this debate with everyone willing to compromise a little bit, just give something to make it all a bit better, because I'd like to see BW create more ME or ME type games with a new hero.  Read the codex-there are so many cool tales that could be told just from things in there.  I'd be foolish to say I want a company who has made some of the most awesome games with the most awesome stories fail.  I don't.  I wish the best for them, but I wish a little bit for all of us and I tried not to forget anyone here.  I didn't want to take away from what others like, but I wanted others to have something they would like and I wanted BW to see that it could be a win for everyone, including them.

Agreed other the price drops because its all about supply and demand. I don't know if its just me but the average price in area for ME2 around the time of the LotSB was $20.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:25 .

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I agree.  I'd never state anything as a hard and fast fact here.  It's anecdotal at best, but it is troubling as is the precipitous drop in the price new.  I have played more than my share of games and I've often later on bought games for my nephews and niece and my brother.  I've bought other games that had a price much higher than ME3 has at this point in their lifespan.  And I've seen used games for a higher price than ME3 is new.  Again, I'm not saying I want that.  It just is a troubling sign. 

What I would rather see is a way to end this debate with everyone willing to compromise a little bit, just give something to make it all a bit better, because I'd like to see BW create more ME or ME type games with a new hero.  Read the codex-there are so many cool tales that could be told just from things in there.  I'd be foolish to say I want a company who has made some of the most awesome games with the most awesome stories fail.  I don't.  I wish the best for them, but I wish a little bit for all of us and I tried not to forget anyone here.  I didn't want to take away from what others like, but I wanted others to have something they would like and I wanted BW to see that it could be a win for everyone, including them.

Agreed while the average price in area for ME2 around the time of the LotSB was $20.  Its all about supply and demand.

most of us in this thread feels that Bioware and ME3 would gain from the suggestion

[3DandBeyond]

Blueprotoss wrote...

The RPGenius wrote...

I love it when people spout the "I'd like to see YOU do better!" line. The "logic" that no human being can be allowed to have an opinion, positive or negative, of a product until they themselves have created something similar is perhaps the most patently absurd and obviously stupid concept I've ever encountered. Not only is it an idea that attempts to convince people that they should have no standards of discrimination and simply accept anything and everything they encounter as good and valid regardless of its nature--don't think or make choices, just accept and purchase more!--but as long as the person making this statement has ever uttered an opinion about a book, TV show, movie, song, comic, cartoon, picture, meal, governmental plan of action, piece of craftsmanship, or, yes, video game, they're being outrageous hypocrites.

Everyone can have an opinion while if you want the endings to be changed then you'll be better off becoming a modder to make your own endings.  Bioware has said millions of times that they aren't going to change the ends especcially after the EC.

And yet they have already added to them, even if only in a minor way.  But even if they hadn't, adding content to explain certain things also does in effect change the endings-it changes how you view them.  The dialogue added to the catalyst though was a change-it altered a part of the ending.  Seival has suggested adding to the endings as well and others said this would change them because Seival's view of what they meant was not their view of their meaning.  That didn't stop Seival from still requesting they be made and continually bumping a thread to promote his/her poll about it.

That's the real beauty of all this.  We can request things and attempt to state why and all that-sure, you're very likely correct, it won't change a thing.  But I know this.  If I do ask, it may be there's only a small hope they might do it.  If I don't ask, there's no hope at all.

And modding isn't an option for everyone so that's no answer.  The game isn't only on the PC.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

most of us in this thread feels that Bioware and ME3 would gain from the suggestion

Suggestions can go either way just like reviews and sales.

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

most of us in this thread feels that Bioware and ME3 would gain from the suggestion

Suggestions can go either way just like reviews and sales.

we said it was up to EA/Bioware if they wanna go with it, even though they would gain from both sides of the Fanbase by this

[3DandBeyond]

Blueprotoss wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I agree.  I'd never state anything as a hard and fast fact here.  It's anecdotal at best, but it is troubling as is the precipitous drop in the price new.  I have played more than my share of games and I've often later on bought games for my nephews and niece and my brother.  I've bought other games that had a price much higher than ME3 has at this point in their lifespan.  And I've seen used games for a higher price than ME3 is new.  Again, I'm not saying I want that.  It just is a troubling sign. 

What I would rather see is a way to end this debate with everyone willing to compromise a little bit, just give something to make it all a bit better, because I'd like to see BW create more ME or ME type games with a new hero.  Read the codex-there are so many cool tales that could be told just from things in there.  I'd be foolish to say I want a company who has made some of the most awesome games with the most awesome stories fail.  I don't.  I wish the best for them, but I wish a little bit for all of us and I tried not to forget anyone here.  I didn't want to take away from what others like, but I wanted others to have something they would like and I wanted BW to see that it could be a win for everyone, including them.

Agreed while the average price in area for ME2 around the time of the LotSB was $20.  Its all about supply and demand.

That's the point.  There may not be enough demand for it and too much supply.  That's what I'm saying.  And ME2 is still selling for around that price which is the exact same price for ME3 new.  And there was a huge drop in the price early on, before the EC. In places it could be gotten for $29.  It did go back up, but the drop to $20 happened a number of weeks ago, contrasted with at least 9 months after the release of ME2. 

[Blueprotoss]

3DandBeyond wrote...

And yet they have already added to them, even if only in a minor way.  But even if they hadn't, adding content to explain certain things also does in effect change the endings-it changes how you view them.  The dialogue added to the catalyst though was a change-it altered a part of the ending.  Seival has suggested adding to the endings as well and others said this would change them because Seival's view of what they meant was not their view of their meaning.  That didn't stop Seival from still requesting they be made and continually bumping a thread to promote his/her poll about it.

The EC was just a free explaination while altering the ending would be after your choice between Destroy, Control, Synthesis, or Refusal.  Its would be impossible to please everyone especially when some people want fully customizable endings.

3DandBeyond wrote... 

That's the real beauty of all this.  We can request things and attempt to state why and all that-sure, you're very likely correct, it won't change a thing.  But I know this.  If I do ask, it may be there's only a small hope they might do it.  If I don't ask, there's no hope at all.

I don't expect to chnge anyone's opinion while I hoped more people shared that view.

3DandBeyond wrote... 

And modding isn't an option for everyone so that's no answer.  The game isn't only on the PC.

Its not the answer but the majority of PC mods can be transfered from the PC to the 360 or to the PS3.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

most of us in this thread feels that Bioware and ME3 would gain from the suggestion

Suggestions can go either way just like reviews and sales.

we said it was up to EA/Bioware if they wanna go with it, even though they would gain from both sides of the Fanbase by this

Its a double-edged and for all we know that a bigger uproar appears.

[3DandBeyond]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

most of us in this thread feels that Bioware and ME3 would gain from the suggestion

Suggestions can go either way just like reviews and sales.

Of course, but you still have a voice and can request something.  Yeah, likely they will say no, so does that mean you don't try? 

And reviews are another worrisome sign.  Those staunch supporters (IGN, Game Informer, G4TV) did not rave about Leviathan.  They went so far in some reviews as to say "what's the point", or something very similar.  That's not a good sign.  It can mean different things to be sure.  It can mean they were blase' about Leviathan or even that they have been concerned with a dropoff of support for their sites, which is a real possibility-they may want to appear more objective.  That doesn't mean sales weren't good, but that can hurt future sales.  Again, this is not my desire nor intent.

[3DandBeyond]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...


we said it was up to EA/Bioware if they wanna go with it, even though they would gain from both sides of the Fanbase by this

Its a double-edged and for all we know that a bigger uproar appears.

That's why I am attempting to have people see this as a compromise everyone makes, but people that have the endings they want are not being asked to do anything-not to even change what they have at all.  And yet, some can't even give on that point as if it would ruin their lives. 

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

most of us in this thread feels that Bioware and ME3 would gain from the suggestion

Suggestions can go either way just like reviews and sales.

we said it was up to EA/Bioware if they wanna go with it, even though they would gain from both sides of the Fanbase by this

Its a double-edged and for all we know that a bigger uproar appears.

actually It really wouldn't since most of us said we would pay for DLCs that would allow this, and taking risks won't hurt them

Modifié par AresKeith, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:41 .

[Blueprotoss]

 

3DandBeyond wrote...

That's the point.  There may not be enough demand for it and too much supply.  That's what I'm saying.  And ME2 is still selling for around that price which is the exact same price for ME3 new.  And there was a huge drop in the price early on, before the EC. In places it could be gotten for $29.  It did go back up, but the drop to $20 happened a number of weeks ago, contrasted with at least 9 months after the release of ME2.

To be fair ME was selling ME3 for $40 to $30 based on holiday and seasonal sales but I'm sure some tried to get some of the "I wouldn't get it at full price" people. I mostly agree with you while most of the online retails fall between  $40 to $30 with ME3. 

3DandBeyond wrote...

That's why I am attempting to have people see this as a compromise everyone makes, but people that have the endings they want are not being asked to do anything-not to even change what they have at all.  And yet, some can't even give on that point as if it would ruin their lives.

Hence why I said its a double-edged sword.  Sadly compromise isn't always an option and a prime example of that is the current state of politics.

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...


we said it was up to EA/Bioware if they wanna go with it, even though they would gain from both sides of the Fanbase by this

Its a double-edged and for all we know that a bigger uproar appears.

That's why I am attempting to have people see this as a compromise everyone makes, but people that have the endings they want are not being asked to do anything-not to even change what they have at all.  And yet, some can't even give on that point as if it would ruin their lives. 

As said to you many times, time and money spent making what you want is time and money taken away from creating what others want including what Bioware wants. Add on to this fact what you want or more specifically the method of how you want something even among people who hate the same thing you do, will have a method they prefer or way to handle it that is different to how you want something handled.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

actually It really wouldn't since most of us said we would pay for DLCs that would allow this, and taking risks won't hurt them

You would still have the few complaining about price or something else.  Sometimes you can't stop the cycle no matter what happens.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:48 .

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

actually It really wouldn't since most of us said we would pay for DLCs that would allow this, and taking risks won't hurt them

You would still have the few complaining about price or something else.  Sometimes you can't stop the cycle no matter what happens.

every Bioware DLC has been $10 or less, and sure people would still have problems with the game but it won't be as it is now. But we all know people will say still the Earth mission needs to be re-done, but lets not go into that

[TreguardD]

Well here we are again.

I wish it were quite the pleasure.
Remember when you trolled us twice?
Oh how we laughed and laughed.
Except there was no laughing.
Under the circumstances
We've been shockingly nice.

If you want compensation, take it
(That's what I'm counting on)

I used to be so mad.
Now I just want him gone.

Recall what Saren said?
(About being transhuman)
I would still rather just be dead.

Or maybe what TIM proposed
And I could be in control?
Sounds just like that One Ring book that I read....

Now I've got the option to just give up.
Is that what you're counting on?

As much as I'd shoot that vision
All I need is that he's gone...

You think I just want a happy end?
(For Shepard and her entire crew.)
That would be funny
If I weren't so mad.

I'd rather it was replaced.
I'd take almost anything now.
Maybe when Shepard wakes up
We'll realize that we've all been had.

The universe will have some new disaster.
The next story I'm counting on.
There's only one way to it now.
We really need him gone.

Now we just need him gone.

Please just make Starkid gone.

Modifié par TreguardD, 09 septembre 2012 - 02:58 .

[3DandBeyond]

Blueprotoss wrote...

 

3DandBeyond wrote...

That's the point.  There may not be enough demand for it and too much supply.  That's what I'm saying.  And ME2 is still selling for around that price which is the exact same price for ME3 new.  And there was a huge drop in the price early on, before the EC. In places it could be gotten for $29.  It did go back up, but the drop to $20 happened a number of weeks ago, contrasted with at least 9 months after the release of ME2.

To be fair ME was selling ME3 for $40 to $30 based on holiday and seasonal sales but I'm sure some tried to get some of the "I wouldn't get it at full price" people. I mostly agree with you while most of the online retails fall between  $40 to $30 with ME3. 

3DandBeyond wrote...

That's why I am attempting to have people see this as a compromise everyone makes, but people that have the endings they want are not being asked to do anything-not to even change what they have at all.  And yet, some can't even give on that point as if it would ruin their lives.

Hence why I said its a double-edged sword.  Sadly compromise isn't always an option and a prime example of that is the current state of politics.

I don't know what holiday sales you mean-since when I saw the price at $29, it wasn't for any holiday.  Seasonal, ok maybe but I've never seen that for a newly released game before and I am telling you I've bought all kinds of games.  Believe me, I was buying EA stuff when they actually sold things related to art-Digipaint was one thing.  I remember EA when it was an almost unknown company. 

And retail right now online and in store is $20 USD.  Used are being sold for a few bucks less.

Compromise is always an option if people would grow up and stop acting like everything is all only about themselves and that no one else matters.  Believe me and I fully mean this if the roles were reversed and I was happy with this game and others were not, I'd want to help them find a way to like that.  I want others to like what I like-that means more content and more games like this will be possible.  And I can say this because I did try to help others in getting a game fixed that was not broken for me-and when others were telling them to quit complaining and just leave, I'd tell them that that's not helping since it could mean bad things for sales and for more games that I liked.  I want people to work together on this, so that the most people possible can have a game that they love.  And I don't believe anything is impossible if you try hard enough and if you are genuine about trying.