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we said it was up to EA/Bioware if they wanna go with it, even though they would gain from both sides of the Fanbase by this

Its a double-edged and for all we know that a bigger uproar appears.


That's why I am attempting to have people see this as a compromise everyone makes, but people that have the endings they want are not being asked to do anything-not to even change what they have at all.  And yet, some can't even give on that point as if it would ruin their lives. 


As said to you many times, time and money spent making what you want is time and money taken away from creating what others want including what Bioware wants. Add on to this fact what you want or more specifically the method of how you want something even among people who hate the same thing you do, will have a method they prefer or way to handle it that is different to how you want something handled.


Have you been reading the past few comments? We were suggesting that they do this through their planned DLCs, so they don't push back there current DLC schedule and make us work harder for it

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actually It really wouldn't since most of us said we would pay for DLCs that would allow this, and taking risks won't hurt them

You would still have the few complaining about price or something else.  Sometimes you can't stop the cycle no matter what happens.


every Bioware DLC has been $10 or less, and sure people would still have problems with the game but it won't be as it is now. But we all know people will say still the Earth mission needs to be re-done, but lets not go into that

Its hard to judge things like this because praise can turn into hate and vice versa at any time.

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Blueprotoss wrote...

Its hard to judge things like this because praise can turn into hate and vice versa at any time.


how so?

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actually It really wouldn't since most of us said we would pay for DLCs that would allow this, and taking risks won't hurt them

You would still have the few complaining about price or something else.  Sometimes you can't stop the cycle no matter what happens.


every Bioware DLC has been $10 or less, and sure people would still have problems with the game but it won't be as it is now. But we all know people will say still the Earth mission needs to be re-done, but lets not go into that


Yes sure you never will get everyone to ever fully agree on everything.  And I'm not naive enough not to know this.  But, if everyone constantly stands firm and refuses to give an inch then we truly get nowhere.  I'm not going to get them to change everything-I live in the real world.  And, unless something does bring a huge segment of the population back and together on this, ME or ME type games may be a thing of the past.  Others may choose to ignore this as a real possibility, but they can't see or refuse to see that BW needs all the fans they can get to insure success of DLC.  There are those that liked the endings that see no point in any more DLC because they know how the game ends.  And there are a lot of fans saying that.  And many got the EC and said it was ok and they can now move on to other games.  That's not how most people viewed ME1 or 2-they didn't just drop it after one playthrough.  I've also said that I've seen a lot of ME3 games being sold used-that means lost DLC customers.

I'm not saying BW is not making a profit, but it is an indication.  They can't just let go of fans, especially not those that are offering to pay in part to help them "fix" this-if not the game then the whole situation.

It does require 2 principles to make compromises-the ones that dislike the endings and Bioware.  It really need not affect other people, however I know that they think it does.  What they fail to see is that if Bioware did this, it might positively affect them-want more DLC?  More customers make that more likely.  Tell customers to go away and you just might not see that DLC you want.  However, even more they see this as a personal attack on themselves for some reason-and it isn't.  I can't say just how myopic that is.  The compromise they need to make is to act reasonable and rational about it all.  That's it.  No one wants to hurt them.  In fact, it could end up helping them.  BW might even decide to do other DLC they weren't originally planning, say Dinosaur DLC or what have you.  It might make for more fun all around. 

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AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Its hard to judge things like this because praise can turn into hate and vice versa at any time.


how so?


This just means don't do something because someone might complain. No basis, and nothing changes. Wish wash, wish wash.  To be contrarian to be contrarian is in fashion.

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I don't know what holiday sales you mean-since when I saw the price at $29, it wasn't for any holiday.  Seasonal, ok maybe but I've never seen that for a newly released game before and I am telling you I've bought all kinds of games.  Believe me, I was buying EA stuff when they actually sold things related to art-Digipaint was one thing.  I remember EA when it was an almost unknown company.

Spring will usually have sales because off tax returns.  Easter and Memorial Day happen to be two of the big holidays in Spring.

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And retail right now online and in store is $20 USD.  Used are being sold for a few bucks less.

Onine for Target, Kmart, Best Buy, and Gamestop are $40 new for the normal version while Walmart is $40 to $30 based on what platform.  There could be more variety at the other stores but there's not that much variety at the middle to higher end. I'm just sharing my observation.

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Compromise is always an option if people would grow up and stop acting like everything is all only about themselves and that no one else matters.  Believe me and I fully mean this if the roles were reversed and I was happy with this game and others were not, I'd want to help them find a way to like that.  I want others to like what I like-that means more content and more games like this will be possible.  And I can say this because I did try to help others in getting a game fixed that was not broken for me-and when others were telling them to quit complaining and just leave, I'd tell them that that's not helping since it could mean bad things for sales and for more games that I liked.  I want people to work together on this, so that the most people possible can have a game that they love.  And I don't believe anything is impossible if you try hard enough and if you are genuine about trying.

Here here!

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ShepnTali wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Its hard to judge things like this because praise can turn into hate and vice versa at any time.


how so?


This just means don't do something because someone might complain. No basis, and nothing changes. Wish wash, wish wash.  To be contrarian to be contrarian is in fashion.

Pretty much this.

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ShepnTali wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Its hard to judge things like this because praise can turn into hate and vice versa at any time.


how so?


This just means don't do something because someone might complain. No basis, and nothing changes. Wish wash, wish wash.  To be contrarian to be contrarian is in fashion.


sometimes you have to take risks whether its good or bad, thats what some businesses and game developers do, and what were suggesting sounds more good than bad

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That's the point.  There may not be enough demand for it and too much supply.  That's what I'm saying.  And ME2 is still selling for around that price which is the exact same price for ME3 new.  And there was a huge drop in the price early on, before the EC. In places it could be gotten for $29.  It did go back up, but the drop to $20 happened a number of weeks ago, contrasted with at least 9 months after the release of ME2.

To be fair ME was selling ME3 for $40 to $30 based on holiday and seasonal sales but I'm sure some tried to get some of the "I wouldn't get it at full price" people. I mostly agree with you while most of the online retails fall between  $40 to $30 with ME3. 

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That's why I am attempting to have people see this as a compromise everyone makes, but people that have the endings they want are not being asked to do anything-not to even change what they have at all.  And yet, some can't even give on that point as if it would ruin their lives.

Hence why I said its a double-edged sword.  Sadly compromise isn't always an option and a prime example of that is the current state of politics.



I’d just like to point out that most of the video games that drop in price due to declining sales don’t have forums with thousands of fans making outcry’s to save the game by adding additional endings. You have to look at the big picture, something is really wrong here. Any business with the smarts to see such a large consumer base would be more than happy to sell a product or DLC if it makes them money. It’s crazy if you ask me, you have thousands of people who are willing to pay for widgets and you refuse to manufacture widgets. WHY?

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Blueprotoss wrote...

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I don't know what holiday sales you mean-since when I saw the price at $29, it wasn't for any holiday.  Seasonal, ok maybe but I've never seen that for a newly released game before and I am telling you I've bought all kinds of games.  Believe me, I was buying EA stuff when they actually sold things related to art-Digipaint was one thing.  I remember EA when it was an almost unknown company.

Spring will usually have sales because off tax returns.  Easter and Memorial Day happen to be two of the big holidays in Spring.

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And retail right now online and in store is $20 USD.  Used are being sold for a few bucks less.

Onine for Target, Kmart, Best Buy, and Gamestop are $40 new for the normal version while Walmart is $40 to $30 based on what platform.  There could be more variety at the other stores but there's not that much variety at the middle to higher end. I'm just sharing my observation.



This is truly funny.  I don't know why the prices keep fluctuating like this-I was checking online just like last night and every single store had it for $20, no lie.  I was in Best Buy 2 days ago and it was the same price new.  Now, suddenly everyone has it for $40 new online and way more used then Best Buy has it in store for the new version and double the price of the used one.  I checked the prices-it's amazing that every store should suddenly raise the price to that all at the same time.  Even Amazon doubled the price. 

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I daresay that even those that right now are dead set against this idea would decide to buy such DLC because I know how fans are. I've modded forums and even modded one dev's forum. I know that fans that love a game will even buy DLC they say shouldn't be made. I do think curiosity would just kill 'em and they'd have to get it so they could play it, because youtube wouldn't work for them.

I'm just asking everyone to let go of a little selfishness, to consider that this is not all about being the last "right" person on a sinking ship. It's about working together to come to a solution. We all are fans and we don't much see eye to eye anymore, but we could once again. We could find a way back to discussing what new Shepard we're going to create and so on. But, sometimes in order to get you have to give. Whenever I've given someone something I generally get back far more than I've given. It is possible.

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I’d just like to point out that most of the video games that drop in price due to declining sales don’t have forums with thousands of fans making outcry’s to save the game by adding additional endings. You have to look at the big picture, something is really wrong here. Any business with the smarts to see such a large consumer base would be more than happy to sell a product or DLC if it makes them money. It’s crazy if you ask me, you have thousands of people who are willing to pay for widgets and you refuse to manufacture widgets. WHY?

Most games don't revolve around forum rage while there is impact from critics, customers, sale numbers, and Metacritic to name a few examples.

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This is truly funny.  I don't know why the prices keep fluctuating like this-I was checking online just like last night and every single store had it for $20, no lie.  I was in Best Buy 2 days ago and it was the same price new.  Now, suddenly everyone has it for $40 new online and way more used then Best Buy has it in store for the new version and double the price of the used one.  I checked the prices-it's amazing that every store should suddenly raise the price to that all at the same time.  Even Amazon doubled the price.

That is pretty funny.  I know Best Buy just had it on sale.

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I daresay that even those that right now are dead set against this idea would decide to buy such DLC because I know how fans are. I've modded forums and even modded one dev's forum. I know that fans that love a game will even buy DLC they say shouldn't be made. I do think curiosity would just kill 'em and they'd have to get it so they could play it, because youtube wouldn't work for them.

I'm just asking everyone to let go of a little selfishness, to consider that this is not all about being the last "right" person on a sinking ship. It's about working together to come to a solution. We all are fans and we don't much see eye to eye anymore, but we could once again. We could find a way back to discussing what new Shepard we're going to create and so on. But, sometimes in order to get you have to give. Whenever I've given someone something I generally get back far more than I've given. It is possible.

I have to say a "here here"!  I know Battlenet would benefit from this. 

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AresKeith wrote...

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we said it was up to EA/Bioware if they wanna go with it, even though they would gain from both sides of the Fanbase by this

Its a double-edged and for all we know that a bigger uproar appears.


That's why I am attempting to have people see this as a compromise everyone makes, but people that have the endings they want are not being asked to do anything-not to even change what they have at all.  And yet, some can't even give on that point as if it would ruin their lives. 


As said to you many times, time and money spent making what you want is time and money taken away from creating what others want including what Bioware wants. Add on to this fact what you want or more specifically the method of how you want something even among people who hate the same thing you do, will have a method they prefer or way to handle it that is different to how you want something handled.


Have you been reading the past few comments? We were suggesting that they do this through their planned DLCs, so they don't push back there current DLC schedule and make us work harder for it


Do you not see the flaw? Let say you mean planned DLC such as Omega. Take second part of what I said, even between those who hate the same part of the game all have different ideas on how would like to change or fix it for themselves, the method used. If you add the change you want to a pre-existing scheduled DLC your basically forcing those who want it handled in a different way unable to ever have what they want because your change becomes hardwired into existing broader content DLC.

The problem is you have no actual consensus on how to handle most. If built into pre-planned DLC then it no longer becomes optional either because you will be forced to have someone's method of it being done despite it not being handled the way you wanted. Unlike if was made on it's own those people who bought the DLC for different reason and for the other content are going to be lumbered with your change despite them not asking for it and handled in a way they never wanted.

There are some things I think Bioware could do and some things they cannot.

Harbinger for example as explained somewhere else is possible BUT you still are at risk of not being handled the way some people or groups wanted it done. This example I gave in another thread is the sort of thing that might allow for such DLC but it would have to stick with certain rules as to not anger or annoy those who never asked for such when buying that other pre-planned DLC.

Personally it is possible something will be done with Harbinger in DLC. But it will not be making him a final boss of ME3 and it won't be you killing him. It will not invalidate or be a method of dismissing the catalyst or give you new ending choices. These rules must be followed to not alienate the people who had no interest in Harbinger and actually like the game as it stands. The effect must be limited to the DLC and not effecting the core game.

For example could be in Omega DLC an "additional" confrontation whether dialogue and some combat with him in some form but you won't be allowed to beat him because he is required for plot purpose to appear where he does in ME3 already. He will still be required to live and/or escape so that he can be where you have confrontation with him in the main core game as already is at that point before the beam. The DLC will not be about him aka not a 'Harbinger DLC' but in reality for example 'Omega DLC' of which he merely just present and part of it. It will not change the endings, it will not give you a new ending choice and it won't give you more content in the core game relating to him. You wil not get anything that changes the ending of ME3. This is the only way to not upset those who like the game as it stands yet give something to those who wan't a confrontation with Harbinger.


This whole reunion DLC stuff, there has to be limitations on impact, for example can only be gained through destroy ending. The content limited to either slides or a single clip dependant on which LI you were with. It must not change the endings, destroy is the only one where he breathes so is the only one can get such.

Conventional Victory/Unconventional Victory (symantics), is simply however not realistic, not reasonable and not going to happen because the level of retcon and more. This is the one idea above all others that would never happen. So forget it, just not going to happen. What is potentially possible however is cinematics added onto the current refuse ending that shows that the fleets and your crew give it their all in a one last stand type of sequence. It will result in loss but it will show slow motion and emotional parts of people care about fighting till their last breathe against the Reapers. This would not change the ending choices, they will play out the same way, the slideshows would not require alteration (I think) and it would merely be one additional cutscene. This is a more possible and viable option.

Any new options added to the ending regarding new choices will never happen, not in a million years. You may as well be urinating into the wind on that. There is not enough time or money or even consensus on what people want for this that any idea you have of changing this is moot. They will not create a DLC for each group that want's something, any DLC they create will not change the current choices or the fact the catalyst will remain is it is. Unles you can accept those two remaining the same (choices and catalyst) then what your doing is not compromising at all and will not happen.

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I’d just like to point out that most of the video games that drop in price due to declining sales don’t have forums with thousands of fans making outcry’s to save the game by adding additional endings. You have to look at the big picture, something is really wrong here. Any business with the smarts to see such a large consumer base would be more than happy to sell a product or DLC if it makes them money. It’s crazy if you ask me, you have thousands of people who are willing to pay for widgets and you refuse to manufacture widgets. WHY?

Most games don't revolve around forum rage while there is impact from critics, customers, sale numbers, and Metacritic to name a few examples.


Yes, but objective critics were not kind, review sites that relied on paid ads were, metacritic scores were also partly based on those ad infested paid review sites and had no comparison to the fan scores.  Sci Fi writers, literary critics, and a whole lot of other people succinctly stated the problems.  And reviewers fomented hate.  In no other industry would this occur.  It would be like Siskel and Ebert telling movie fans to go away because they didn't like a movie, which is basically what a guy in Game Informer did-his "review" said to ignore fans and buy the game.  Why?  Because Game Informer is owned by Game Stop and bad reviews don't sell games.  This whole debacle has raised real questions and has caused fans to mostly ignore these reviewers.  That one IGN guy said making the EC was a dangerous precedent and he had no idea what he was talking about-did he say that about Fallout 3, when even the dev said he would never make such a mistake again as to close off the ending of a game like that.  The dev admitted that in a  Game Informer interview.   That guy from IGN also ignores the fact that real authentic authors already have done the same thing-so why should games be any different?

The point is, you cannot look at ad-based reviewers as objective.  And we are not privvy to sales numbers, but a lot of anecdotal evidence indicates there may be problems there.  The drop in other BW and EA areas also indicate issues. 

However, it's possible to move on from there.  If you can't adapt in the face of even scathing criticism and find a way to appeal to a large portion of your biggest detractors, you may be doomed.  Especially in the realities of this economy where the disposable income of a whole lot of people is non-existent.  You need a very diverse fanbase and you need to regain and cultivate brand loyalty.  It's the New Coke effect.

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Conventional Victory/Unconventional Victory (symantics), is simply however not realistic, not reasonable and not going to happen because the level of retcon and more. This is the one idea above all others that would never happen. So forget it, just not going to happen. What is potentially possible however is cinematics added onto the current refuse ending that shows that the fleets and your crew give it their all in a one last stand type of sequence. It will result in loss but it will show slow motion and emotional parts of people care about fighting till their last breathe against the Reapers. This would not change the ending choices, they will play out the same way, the slideshows would not require alteration (I think) and it would merely be one additional cutscene. This is a more possible and viable option.

Any new options added to the ending regarding new choices will never happen, not in a million years. You may as well be urinating into the wind on that. There is not enough time or money or even consensus on what people want for this that any idea you have of changing this is moot.


The irony! My hand is burning all over again!

Conventional victory being an impossibility was only [poorly] established in Mass Effect 3 so they could roll with the Crucible.

And why not? Why not have a conventional victory with insanely high EMS (like +7,000). Bioware have always done optimal outcomes, why not reward the player for going the extra mile? One of the endings is already the most popular (destroy) and one of the endings is already being portrayed as optimal (Synthesis).

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I’d just like to point out that most of the video games that drop in price due to declining sales don’t have forums with thousands of fans making outcry’s to save the game by adding additional endings. You have to look at the big picture, something is really wrong here. Any business with the smarts to see such a large consumer base would be more than happy to sell a product or DLC if it makes them money. It’s crazy if you ask me, you have thousands of people who are willing to pay for widgets and you refuse to manufacture widgets. WHY?

Most games don't revolve around forum rage while there is impact from critics, customers, sale numbers, and Metacritic to name a few examples.



This very forum speaks for itself, have you seen a comic con lately, people want this to game to be great, even if the ending was poor. Every store I walk into that sells video games if you ask the clerk about Mass Effect they either play it themselves and you end up talking about the game for 15minutes or they know all about it and about the ending debacle… the consumers are there. Just based off the numbers for registered online accounts it would turn a profit, this is what the Leviathan DLC is, Bioware has said themselves if the players will buy the content they will keep making it. If they didn’t think the consumer was going to buy it they would never had made Leviathan.
So again… you have thousands of people who are willing to pay for widgets and you refuse to manufacture widgets. WHY?

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

Conventional Victory/Unconventional Victory (symantics), is simply however not realistic, not reasonable and not going to happen because the level of retcon and more. This is the one idea above all others that would never happen. So forget it, just not going to happen. What is potentially possible however is cinematics added onto the current refuse ending that shows that the fleets and your crew give it their all in a one last stand type of sequence. It will result in loss but it will show slow motion and emotional parts of people care about fighting till their last breathe against the Reapers. This would not change the ending choices, they will play out the same way, the slideshows would not require alteration (I think) and it would merely be one additional cutscene. This is a more possible and viable option.

Any new options added to the ending regarding new choices will never happen, not in a million years. You may as well be urinating into the wind on that. There is not enough time or money or even consensus on what people want for this that any idea you have of changing this is moot.


The irony! My hand is burning all over again!

Conventional victory being an impossibility was only [poorly] established in Mass Effect 3 so they could roll with the Crucible.

And why not? Why not have a conventional victory with insanely high EMS (like +7,000). Bioware have always done optimal outcomes, why not reward the player for going the extra mile? One of the endings is already the most popular (destroy) and one of the endings is already being portrayed as optimal (Synthesis).


First I am sure you have vast sways of proof destroy is the most popular? Care to share? Secondly it was established whether you personally think was poorly done or not. Thirdly the amount of work involved to produce such is vast and falls into the same problem of limitation of cost and time taken from one DLC someone else wants put into what you want, it is not something that can be tacked on another DLC. The amount of retcon, changes to the core game at multiple stages and all of this subject to the different individuals desire of how wished for such to happen. There are multiple suggestions and various methods people have concocted as to how they would handle such and they differ from person to person.

You can keep dreaming on this one element if wish but it is the one thing that will not happen. Harbinger (possible), LI reunion (possible), additional cinematics regarding conventional loss (possible) but conventional victory is not.

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First I am sure you have vast sways of proof destroy is the most popular? Care to share? Secondly it was established whether you personally think was poorly done or not. Thirdly the amount of work involved to produce such is vast and falls into the same problem of limitation of cost and time taken from one DLC someone else wants put into what you want, it is not something that can be tacked on another DLC. The amount of retcon, changes to the core game at multiple stages and all of this subject to the different individuals desire of how wished for such to happen. There are multiple suggestions and various methods people have concocted as to how they would handle such and they differ from person to person.

You can keep dreaming on this one element if wish but it is the one thing that will not happen.


I have a question, what would you say if Bioware did add-on to Destroy, refuse, or made Unconventional Victory happen?

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Yes, but objective critics were not kind, review sites that relied on paid ads were, metacritic scores were also partly based on those ad infested paid review sites and had no comparison to the fan scores.  Sci Fi writers, literary critics, and a whole lot of other people succinctly stated the problems.  And reviewers fomented hate.  In no other industry would this occur.  It would be like Siskel and Ebert telling movie fans to go away because they didn't like a movie, which is basically what a guy in Game Informer did-his "review" said to ignore fans and buy the game.  Why?  Because Game Informer is owned by Game Stop and bad reviews don't sell games.  This whole debacle has raised real questions and has caused fans to mostly ignore these reviewers.  That one IGN guy said making the EC was a dangerous precedent and he had no idea what he was talking about-did he say that about Fallout 3, when even the dev said he would never make such a mistake again as to close off the ending of a game like that.  The dev admitted that in a  Game Informer interview.   That guy from IGN also ignores the fact that real authentic authors already have done the same thing-so why should games be any different?

Actually you shouldn't say that a similar scenario wouldn't have happened in another industry especially when Ebert's involved because of his bias against video games.The wrong mainly came from the "fans" based on the Metacritic bombings on From Ashes and ME3.  Another example is the amount of negative Youtube reviews only focusing on the endings.  I'm not a fan of IGN while they worshipped ME1 and ME2 while I would be surprised if they worshipped ME3.  Most of the normal reviewers focused on the ME3 as a whole but the rest either focused on the trilogy or the end of ME3.  What happened to Fallout 3 isn't a different beast even when it also had an ending extension since its open world and won't have an ending.

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The point is, you cannot look at ad-based reviewers as objective.  And we are not privvy to sales numbers, but a lot of anecdotal evidence indicates there may be problems there.  The drop in other BW and EA areas also indicate issues.

There cold be bias in a few ad-based reviewers while there would be just amount of bias with any type of reviewer.

3DandBeyond wrote... 

However, it's possible to move on from there.  If you can't adapt in the face of even scathing criticism and find a way to appeal to a large portion of your biggest detractors, you may be doomed.  Especially in the realities of this economy where the disposable income of a whole lot of people is non-existent.  You need a very diverse fanbase and you need to regain and cultivate brand loyalty.  It's the New Coke effect.

To be fair there's a difference between blind hatred and general criticism.

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AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

First I am sure you have vast sways of proof destroy is the most popular? Care to share? Secondly it was established whether you personally think was poorly done or not. Thirdly the amount of work involved to produce such is vast and falls into the same problem of limitation of cost and time taken from one DLC someone else wants put into what you want, it is not something that can be tacked on another DLC. The amount of retcon, changes to the core game at multiple stages and all of this subject to the different individuals desire of how wished for such to happen. There are multiple suggestions and various methods people have concocted as to how they would handle such and they differ from person to person.

You can keep dreaming on this one element if wish but it is the one thing that will not happen.


I have a question, what would you say if Bioware did add-on to Destroy, refuse, or made Unconventional Victory happen?


I would say they went back on everything they have said past past few months. I would say they hanged Chris out to dry and did something to their own work colleague that is disgusting having had him say no new endings for months then to have him made out to be a liar is not acceptable way to treat their colleague or friend in that studio where they are all more than colleagues and are friends. I would then not buy it as it is not something I want, it goes against the story in ME3 and would invalidate all other choices due to throwing it all out of balance of consequence.

But none of these things I will have to do because it won't happen and your merely in denial about this despite them telling you themselves.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

First I am sure you have vast sways of proof destroy is the most popular? Care to share? Secondly it was established whether you personally think was poorly done or not. Thirdly the amount of work involved to produce such is vast and falls into the same problem of limitation of cost and time taken from one DLC someone else wants put into what you want, it is not something that can be tacked on another DLC. The amount of retcon, changes to the core game at multiple stages and all of this subject to the different individuals desire of how wished for such to happen. There are multiple suggestions and various methods people have concocted as to how they would handle such and they differ from person to person.

You can keep dreaming on this one element if wish but it is the one thing that will not happen.


Look at any of the various ending polls, regardless of the numbers, Destroy always composes the highest ratio, you won't find one where it isn't.

(Bold) No. There is a difference, if we got a figure on Reaper numbers or show how vastly they outnumber us or something like that, then it would be properly established. Instead, we get Hackett's "Omfg, I got pwned, there's no way we can beat them conventionally." after the bulk of Reaper forces caught the Alliance with its pants down in a surprise attack. I'd think that too if I just sent two entire fleets to their doom. Conventional victory being an impossibility is very arguable, and will remain so until the game gives us Reaper figures.

As for work, I'm just asking for extra cut scenes, less than what we got with the EC (about 30 minutes worth), and I don't care if we have to pay for it either.
 
Have you read the Puzzle Theory? It's a very clever way for them to integrate it.

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Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

First I am sure you have vast sways of proof destroy is the most popular? Care to share? Secondly it was established whether you personally think was poorly done or not. Thirdly the amount of work involved to produce such is vast and falls into the same problem of limitation of cost and time taken from one DLC someone else wants put into what you want, it is not something that can be tacked on another DLC. The amount of retcon, changes to the core game at multiple stages and all of this subject to the different individuals desire of how wished for such to happen. There are multiple suggestions and various methods people have concocted as to how they would handle such and they differ from person to person.

You can keep dreaming on this one element if wish but it is the one thing that will not happen.


I have a question, what would you say if Bioware did add-on to Destroy, refuse, or made Unconventional Victory happen?


I would say they went back on everything they have said past past few months. I would say they hanged Chris out to dry and did something to their own work colleague that is disgusting having had him say no new endings for months then to have him made out to be a liar is not acceptable way to treat their colleague or friend in that studio where they are all more than colleagues and are friends. I would then not buy it as it is not something I want, it goes against the story in ME3 and would invalidate all other choices due to throwing it all out of balance of consequence.

But none of these things I will have to do because it won't happen and your merely in denial about this despite then telling you themselves.


They have already done this to multiple PR-reps with the statements made prior to release.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 09 septembre 2012 - 04:26 .


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This very forum speaks for itself, have you seen a comic con lately, people want this to game to be great, even if the ending was poor. Every store I walk into that sells video games if you ask the clerk about Mass Effect they either play it themselves and you end up talking about the game for 15minutes or they know all about it and about the ending debacle… the consumers are there. Just based off the numbers for registered online accounts it would turn a profit, this is what the Leviathan DLC is, Bioware has said themselves if the players will buy the content they will keep making it. If they didn’t think the consumer was going to buy it they would never had made Leviathan.
So again… you have thousands of people who are willing to pay for widgets and you refuse to manufacture widgets. WHY?

PAX East would be more accuate on the real fanbase while San Diego did draw in some of the "my way or the highway" group.  If you really want to be recognized then you should use honey instead of napalm.

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Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

First I am sure you have vast sways of proof destroy is the most popular? Care to share? Secondly it was established whether you personally think was poorly done or not. Thirdly the amount of work involved to produce such is vast and falls into the same problem of limitation of cost and time taken from one DLC someone else wants put into what you want, it is not something that can be tacked on another DLC. The amount of retcon, changes to the core game at multiple stages and all of this subject to the different individuals desire of how wished for such to happen. There are multiple suggestions and various methods people have concocted as to how they would handle such and they differ from person to person.

You can keep dreaming on this one element if wish but it is the one thing that will not happen.


Look at any of the various ending polls, regardless of the numbers, Destroy always composes the highest ratio, you won't find one where it isn't.

(Bold) No. There is a difference, if we got a figure on Reaper numbers or show how vastly they outnumber us or something like that, then it would be properly established. Instead, we get Hackett's "Omfg, I got pwned, there's no way we can beat them conventionally." after the bulk of Reaper forces caught the Alliance with its pants down in a surprise attack. I'd think that too if I just sent two entire fleets to their doom. Conventional victory being an impossibility is very arguable, and will remain so until the game gives us Reaper figures.

As for work, I'm just asking for extra cut scenes, less than what we got with the EC (about 30 minutes worth), and I don't care if we have to pay for it either.
 
Have you read the Puzzle Theory? It's a very clever way for them to integrate it.

To be fair polls aren't as accurate as you think whether its on a news network or offical forum.