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[Blueprotoss]

Fiannawolf wrote...

@Blue I might not agree with everything you say but I can respect it.

As long as there's no opinion being forced down my throat or insults directed at me I will respect opinions. 

Fiannawolf wrote... 

Yea, even if your content with the endings as is:

Alot of fans are asking for more things and each time more DLC is added...it will effect the outcome either thru dialog or scenes or whatever else they decide to put in.

All both sides are asking for is content that would please them. Im not demanding anything from bioware...just suggesting snippits that would put me in the Happier Fan category like Seival and even Dragoonlordz over there. Id be estatic if I could be content like they are. Right now Im dissapointed. Before the EC I was heartbroken. Now Im just in heartache mode b/c the EC almost satisfied me emotionally. At this point Im not even going to suggest any internal logic changes...I just want to be emotionally satisfied.

DLC is a ticky thing just like anything because someone will always find a "reason" to get emotional over.

[Blueprotoss]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You do not get how products are made. This was not a product made to your specification for your measly $40-$60, it was mass produced. I make mass produced products and user specification ones. Games are not user specification they are mass produced. Mass produced products are the type of product you get what everyone else gets.

So, ME wasn't made for a specific user specification in mind? Like, people who like sci-fi? Or people who like the story of ME1 or ME2? Bioware didn't bother talking to their consumers of ME1 or ME2?  Bioware didn't promise to add story customization based on feedback from their customers of ME1 or ME2?

This argument of course is ridiculous. Of course Bioware was aiming this product at what they perceived was a certain customer type. Their goal was to get it right for as many people as possible. They set up expectations based on their marketing, both formal and informal. 

If the customer doesn't feel like Bioware delivered on what they promised, of course that customer has the right to complain about the product and drop their support for the company. 

None of this is unusual, it happens all the time. Don't like a car that a company makes? Try another company. That's what happened to the American companies in the past. They're still paying for it. 

ME wasn't designed on an individual basis while the Mona Lisa was designed for an individual.  Btw this happens around the globe not only in the US.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:15 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

You do not get how products are made. This was not a product made to your specification for your measly $40-$60, it was mass produced. I make mass produced products and user specification ones. Games are not user specification they are mass produced. Mass produced products are the type of product you get what everyone else gets.

So, ME wasn't made for a specific user specification in mind? Like, people who like sci-fi? Or people who like the story of ME1 or ME2? Bioware didn't bother talking to their consumers of ME1 or ME2?  Bioware didn't promise to add story customization based on feedback from their customers of ME1 or ME2?

This argument of course is ridiculous. Of course Bioware was aiming this product at what they perceived was a certain customer type. Their goal was to get it right for as many people as possible. They set up expectations based on their marketing, both formal and informal. 

If the customer doesn't feel like Bioware delivered on what they promised, of course that customer has the right to complain about the product and drop their support for the company. 

None of this is unusual, it happens all the time. Don't like a car that a company makes? Try another company. That's what happened to the American companies in the past. They're still paying for it. 

You misunderstanding what mass produced means vs user specification.

Mass produced caters to many which all have different reasons to buy it. ME3 is a mass produced product. User specification, a demand to have something made the way you want it despite what everyone else wants. This is not how ME3 was created despite you not liking some parts of it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:26 .

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...


+1

BioWare promised they will support ME3 only for 1 year after the release. They don't have much time. And they will never spend their time for some "I want optional ponies DLC" nonsence even if they had time for that. All haters should understand that.

Why then do you promote and have a poll geared toward asking for DLC that would require BW expend resources on content that only you have ever expressed a desire for?  Why do you think you are allowed to ask for such content when very few people agree with you (and most have even tried to alter what you want, but you tell them they're wrong), but no one else can?  Who died and made you Bioware God?

Keep at it, keep telling people to go away.  And if and when they do because of your obnoxious behavior, you and Dragoon can talk to each other about how kind and loving and cool you are and about how BW used to make games.  Then you can say how sad you are that BW had to stop making content for ME3 after releasing only 2 DLC SP packs because sales fell off a cliff.  You can thank each other for how brilliant you were at telling people to go away and for being super smart at calling people names that best identify you.  Look in a mirror.

If you can ask for multiple instances of DLC that would each be 5 hours long-something like 25 or 30 hours worth of DLC which even you say would be expensive to make then certainly I can ask for one single optional bit of DLC myself.

And you and Dragoon need to get real.  I'm not asking for a third of the game to be rewritten.  I've stated ways they could create minimal content that would satisfy the largest group of detractors.

What constructive things have either of you ever suggested?  Everything you say is used to tear others down.  Look up hate in the dictionary, please.  I see you use the term all over to define everyone else and you refuse to see it in yourselves.

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...


+1

BioWare promised they will support ME3 only for 1 year after the release. They don't have much time. And they will never spend their time for some "I want optional ponies DLC" nonsence even if they had time for that. All haters should understand that.

Why then do you promote and have a poll geared toward asking for DLC that would require BW expend resources on content that only you have ever expressed a desire for?  Why do you think you are allowed to ask for such content when very few people agree with you (and most have even tried to alter what you want, but you tell them they're wrong), but no one else can?  Who died and made you Bioware God?

Keep at it, keep telling people to go away.  And if and when they do because of your obnoxious behavior, you and Dragoon can talk to each other about how kind and loving and cool you are and about how BW used to make games.  Then you can say how sad you are that BW had to stop making content for ME3 after releasing only 2 DLC SP packs because sales fell off a cliff.  You can thank each other for how brilliant you were at telling people to go away and for being super smart at calling people names that best identify you.  Look in a mirror.

If you can ask for multiple instances of DLC that would each be 5 hours long-something like 25 or 30 hours worth of DLC which even you say would be expensive to make then certainly I can ask for one single optional bit of DLC myself.

And you and Dragoon need to get real.  I'm not asking for a third of the game to be rewritten.  I've stated ways they could create minimal content that would satisfy the largest group of detractors.

What constructive things have either of you ever suggested?  Everything you say is used to tear others down.  Look up hate in the dictionary, please.  I see you use the term all over to define everyone else and you refuse to see it in yourselves.

Ignorance is bliss it seems with you just like in the other thread where you implied ending haters by proxy and by mistake on your end are toddlers. When you was trying to argue with me about what the word confrontational means. I have provided many good reasons in oppostition to a lot of your suggestions. I even went as far as giving suggestions that were more reasonable, more possible regarding some of the elements people claimed they wanted yet when shown the more reasonable way to handle it despite most of the things actually covered, because was one item that would not and should not happen the result was from you lot. "Endings suck! I don't care about your reasonable and respectful way to resolve some issues because the endings should die and be all rewritten trololo".

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:24 .

[Blueprotoss]

whoops!

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:26 .

[Seival]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...


+1

BioWare promised they will support ME3 only for 1 year after the release. They don't have much time. And they will never spend their time for some "I want optional ponies DLC" nonsence even if they had time for that. All haters should understand that.

Why then do you promote and have a poll geared toward asking for DLC that would require BW expend resources on content that only you have ever expressed a desire for?

I suggested DLC that will not alter the story in any way, just like EC. Such DLC would be more like the extended epilogue, and nice way to say farewell to your own Shepard(s).

As you can see, most people like the idea. Even some haters like it:
http://social.biowar.../index/13693416
http://social.biowar...72/polls/38364/



But your suggestions can only please haters by disapointing pro-enders. That's one of the reasons why BioWare will never do as you ask.

Modifié par Seival, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:28 .

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...


+1

BioWare promised they will support ME3 only for 1 year after the release. They don't have much time. And they will never spend their time for some "I want optional ponies DLC" nonsence even if they had time for that. All haters should understand that.

Why then do you promote and have a poll geared toward asking for DLC that would require BW expend resources on content that only you have ever expressed a desire for?  Why do you think you are allowed to ask for such content when very few people agree with you (and most have even tried to alter what you want, but you tell them they're wrong), but no one else can?  Who died and made you Bioware God?

Keep at it, keep telling people to go away.  And if and when they do because of your obnoxious behavior, you and Dragoon can talk to each other about how kind and loving and cool you are and about how BW used to make games.  Then you can say how sad you are that BW had to stop making content for ME3 after releasing only 2 DLC SP packs because sales fell off a cliff.  You can thank each other for how brilliant you were at telling people to go away and for being super smart at calling people names that best identify you.  Look in a mirror.

If you can ask for multiple instances of DLC that would each be 5 hours long-something like 25 or 30 hours worth of DLC which even you say would be expensive to make then certainly I can ask for one single optional bit of DLC myself.

And you and Dragoon need to get real.  I'm not asking for a third of the game to be rewritten.  I've stated ways they could create minimal content that would satisfy the largest group of detractors.

What constructive things have either of you ever suggested?  Everything you say is used to tear others down.  Look up hate in the dictionary, please.  I see you use the term all over to define everyone else and you refuse to see it in yourselves.

Ignorance is bliss it seems with you just like in the other thread where you implied ending haters by proxy are toddlers in trying to argue with me about what the word confrontational means. I have provided many good reasons in oppostition to a lot of your suggestions. I even went as far as giving suggestions that were more reasonable, more possible regarding some of the elements people claimed they wanted yet when shown the more reasonable way to handle it despite most of the things actually covered, because was one item that would not and should not happen the result was from you lot. "Endings suck! I don't care about your reasonable and respectful way to resolve some issues because the endings should die and be all rewritten trololo".

And yet you keep ignoring things other people who agree with her idea says that both caters to both sides of the fanbase and it wouldn't be an Ending DLC or push back their schedule, because you keep trying to make yourself sound right for no real reason at all.


I think I finally understand what you and Seival are really trying to do, you both actually agree with this and are trying to keep up. We thank you for this

[3DandBeyond]

Again, my appeal is to Bioware and not to those who are currently satisfied with what they have. I'm not asking BW to change that. I'm asking them to consider a way to bring back fans that are waiting and wanting true closure and a real feel of victory that is missing for them. I'm not looking to take away from anyone, but to add to what we have in optional content. Yes, it would mean that BW would use some resources to create it, but that's why I've asked that others compromise and be willing to pay for it. Mistakes have been made all around-no one is blameless here. But we can keep being stuck in this same old mud, or get up and get clean and start over here.

I consider that BW might want to take a look and see that this could be a win for the greatest number of people possible and for them, too. It could mend fences and allow that shallow rhetoric and name-calling to mostly die down. It could feature a net gain in resources for BW, so that it will assure them that more DLC will be better received and profitable. It might wipe away the some of the tarnish of ME as a franchise and encourage them to continue to make ME or ME type games (yes, with a new protagonist). It might also encourage them to consider post-ME3 DLC which could be a win for all.

As I see it the more fans that are in the mix, the better potential the franchise has and that can't be all bad. I have loved ME and BW for making it. I want to encourage them to continue making this type of game and not to discourage them from other types at all. I just would rather that any future for ME, not be as a CoD or GoW clone. I've no problem with them making such types of games, but I don't want to see them stop making ME-type ones as well. I see ME as a gem among a pile of sameness and I don't want this unique thing to go away. Especially with new consoles on the horizon, I would really like to see things expanded and increasing content and all in future ME-type games. The possibilities are out there. I think showing good faith on all sides and a willingness to at last be decent, is the only way forward. Some just have to stop being nay sayers, others must be willing to invest in the idea, and Bioware merely needs to consider how much people truly loved what they created-we still do. It was never about hate, but sometimes strong feelings get all wrapped up together and love of anything that disappoints can be expressed in the worst ways.

This situation can be turned around, if we can all agree that where we are is not a great place to be. It helps no one. But, if we can find common ground, we can all get something we want.

[I am disappoint]

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...


+1

BioWare promised they will support ME3 only for 1 year after the release. They don't have much time. And they will never spend their time for some "I want optional ponies DLC" nonsence even if they had time for that. All haters should understand that.

Why then do you promote and have a poll geared toward asking for DLC that would require BW expend resources on content that only you have ever expressed a desire for?

I suggested DLC that will not alter the story in any way, just like EC. Such DLC would be more like the extended epilogue, and nice way to say farewell to your own Shepard(s).

As you can see, most people like the idea. Even some haters like it:
http://social.biowar.../index/13693416
http://social.biowar...72/polls/38364/



But your suggestions can only please haters by disapointing pro-enders. That's one of the reasons why BioWare will never do as you ask.

Pro-enders are only a minority, all 10 of them will get over it.

[Dragoonlordz]

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...


+1

BioWare promised they will support ME3 only for 1 year after the release. They don't have much time. And they will never spend their time for some "I want optional ponies DLC" nonsence even if they had time for that. All haters should understand that.

Why then do you promote and have a poll geared toward asking for DLC that would require BW expend resources on content that only you have ever expressed a desire for?

I suggested DLC that will not alter the story in any way, just like EC. Such DLC would be more like the extended epilogue, and nice way to say farewell to your own Shepard(s).

As you can see, most people like the idea. Even some haters like it:
http://social.biowar.../index/13693416
http://social.biowar...72/polls/38364/

But your suggestions can only please haters by disapointing pro-enders. That's one of the reasons why BioWare will never do as you ask.

I agree with this, even I gave ideas and suggestions on how some people in here could get what they want yet because was only one thing that said should not get because changed the game in a huge way they resorted to throwing a hissy fit. Bioware do not like to cater to individual groups with the fanbase, all their DLC they like to be for all fans not just small groups.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:31 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...

You paid for the writers' work, not for a mandate to override something. To have such a mandate you have to work in BioWare or EA as a writers' team lead or a producer.

True enough... but I didn´t paid for being played for sucker, and PR quotes which they spread pre and after - release are exactly what you can call as LIES 

[Dragoonlordz]

I am disappoint wrote...

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...


+1

BioWare promised they will support ME3 only for 1 year after the release. They don't have much time. And they will never spend their time for some "I want optional ponies DLC" nonsence even if they had time for that. All haters should understand that.

Why then do you promote and have a poll geared toward asking for DLC that would require BW expend resources on content that only you have ever expressed a desire for?

I suggested DLC that will not alter the story in any way, just like EC. Such DLC would be more like the extended epilogue, and nice way to say farewell to your own Shepard(s).

As you can see, most people like the idea. Even some haters like it:
http://social.biowar.../index/13693416
http://social.biowar...72/polls/38364/



But your suggestions can only please haters by disapointing pro-enders. That's one of the reasons why BioWare will never do as you ask.

Pro-enders are only a minority, all 10 of them will get over it.

In one sentence you lost any credibility for anyone to ever take you seriously again. Quite an achievement.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:33 .

[Blueprotoss]

I am disappoint wrote...

Pro-enders are only a minority, all 10 of them will get over it.

Yet that is so far from the truth whether its pre-EC, EC, or post-EC.

[TreguardD]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...


Pro-enders are only a minority, all 10 of them will get over it.

In one sentence you lost any credibility for anyone to ever take you seriously again. Quite an achievement.

You know, he's right.

Nine of them will get over it.

You are the 10th who will not.

Stop pushing an unpopular opinion for the sake of getting a reaction.

[Dragoonlordz]

TreguardD wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...


Pro-enders are only a minority, all 10 of them will get over it.

In one sentence you lost any credibility for anyone to ever take you seriously again. Quite an achievement.

You know, he's right.

Nine of them will get over it.

You are the 10th who will not.

Stop pushing an unpopular opinion for the sake of getting a reaction.

Wrong.

[I am disappoint]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

Pro-enders are only a minority, all 10 of them will get over it.

Yet that is so far from the truth whether its pre-EC, EC, or post-EC.

In your opinion. 

[I am disappoint]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

TreguardD wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...


Pro-enders are only a minority, all 10 of them will get over it.

In one sentence you lost any credibility for anyone to ever take you seriously again. Quite an achievement.

You know, he's right.

Nine of them will get over it.

You are the 10th who will not.

Stop pushing an unpopular opinion for the sake of getting a reaction.

Wrong.

Quite true.
Brovik and BlueProtosser won't get over either.

Modifié par I am disappoint, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:37 .

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

I suggested DLC that will not alter the story in any way, just like EC. Such DLC would be more like the extended epilogue, and nice way to say farewell to your own Shepard(s).

As you can see, most people like the idea. Even some haters like it:

---snipped


But your suggestions can only please haters by disapointing pro-enders. That's one of the reasons why BioWare will never do as you ask.

Not true.  And you can keep calling people haters until you are blue in the face.  It's not mature at all and sad really that in order to try and make a point where you have no case, you need to resort to insults.  It's time to stop.  Past time.

People did point out in your thread that what you suggested would change the endings for them.  But you dismissed them as you do anyone who disagrees with you.

How would my suggestions disappoint you, Seival, if you never have to see them?  This indicates that even you would buy the DLC if it happened.  If not, then it would not have any impact on what you now have, but you can't find it in your heart to admit that or to even give an inch.  You are so stuck in labeling people in some juvenile way that you can't and won't ever move on yourself.   It's why you keep posting here.  You can't let go.

[Dragoonlordz]

I am disappoint wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

Pro-enders are only a minority, all 10 of them will get over it.

Yet that is so far from the truth whether its pre-EC, EC, or post-EC.

In your opinion. 

There has been no 'conclusive' evidence of either majority or minority on either side.

[AresKeith]

I am disappoint wrote...

Quite true.
Brovik and BlueProtosser won't get over either.

I think BP would, can't say about the other 9 in this thread

[webhead921]

So OP, what makes it "the right thing"?

[Iakus]

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...


+1

BioWare promised they will support ME3 only for 1 year after the release. They don't have much time. And they will never spend their time for some "I want optional ponies DLC" nonsence even if they had time for that. All haters should understand that.

Why then do you promote and have a poll geared toward asking for DLC that would require BW expend resources on content that only you have ever expressed a desire for?

I suggested DLC that will not alter the story in any way, just like EC. Such DLC would be more like the extended epilogue, and nice way to say farewell to your own Shepard(s).

As you can see, most people like the idea. Even some haters like it:
http://social.biowar.../index/13693416
http://social.biowar...72/polls/38364/



But your suggestions can only please haters by disapointing pro-enders. That's one of the reasons why BioWare will never do as you ask.

Going through the OP, I see now specific suggestions besides giving a living Shepard a better ending than lying in a pile of debris.  That doesn't change anything about the endings.  And possibly a reunion scene, since so many people ask for that.  Harder to implement, but still wouldn't change anything.

I'm one of the people who posted in support of your ideas, since the Destroy postgame idea would at least confirm Shepard's long-term prognisis.  At this point, that's pretty much the most I can hope for in any DLC.

[Xellith]

Seival wrote...

BioWare promised they will support ME3 only for 1 year after the release..

They promised a lot of things.  Such as the Rachni having HUGE consequences.  No A/B/C ending etc.

Modifié par Xellith, 09 septembre 2012 - 05:40 .

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I am disappoint wrote...

Pro-enders are only a minority, all 10 of them will get over it.

Yet that is so far from the truth whether its pre-EC, EC, or post-EC.

In your opinion. 

There has been no 'conclusive' evidence of either majority or minority on either side.

That the EC has even been made is pretty much proof the people who disliked the endings aren't a "vocal minority" as some like to claim. The controversy was quite large.