Blueprotoss wrote...
If fact was my opinion then you ME2 would have been an RPG, which we all know that ME2 striped most of its RPG elements and retained the RPG label. If you aren't willing to except the actual facts then you'll never get what you want in ME3.I am disappoint wrote...
In your opinion it is a fact.
To be fair ME2 started the story thing based on how the expanded universe grew around it. ME3 just expended on what ME2 started.Debi-Tage wrote...
I think we can appeal to BW as much as we want for whatever we desire, and I think they actually DO care what happens to this franchise in the end. It was very apparent, however, even before ME3 hit the shelves that BW was making it standard to push the story (and progression of said story) through the use of multiple platforms (comics, novels, apps, a movie, and mobile games) not to mention MP. Truth is ME3 bears little resemblance to the first two games in this regard, and it shows the standalone SP version. Imagine for one moment having played nothing but the vanilla version of all three games in succession and trying to make sense of the story (meaning no comics, novels, Arrival, Lair of the Shadowbroker, etc.). The fact of the matter is that anything that adds to the vanilla essentially changes the story and everything coming after, either directly or indirectly. My opinion is, as long as things are being added to ME3, whether it be delivered through DLC, MP missions, comics, novels, movies, whatever - the storyline is still evolving. Period.
This is the future of single-player experiences for any studio under the tentacles of EA. Welcome to the 21st Century my friends.
Blueprotoss wrote...
If fact was my opinion then you ME2 would have been an RPG, which we all know that ME2 striped most of its RPG elements and retained the RPG label. If you aren't willing to except the actual facts then you'll never get what you want in ME3.I am disappoint wrote...
In your opinion it is a fact.
I know.AresKeith wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
If fact was my opinion then you ME2 would have been an RPG, which we all know that ME2 striped most of its RPG elements and retained the RPG label. If you aren't willing to except the actual facts then you'll never get what you want in ME3.I am disappoint wrote...
In your opinion it is a fact.
please stay on Topic BP
Blueprotoss wrote...
I know.AresKeith wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
If fact was my opinion then you ME2 would have been an RPG, which we all know that ME2 striped most of its RPG elements and retained the RPG label. If you aren't willing to except the actual facts then you'll never get what you want in ME3.I am disappoint wrote...
In your opinion it is a fact.
please stay on Topic BP
You do know that the ME3's MP was going to be a stand alone FPS that was basically like Star Wars: Battlefront and this was a decision by Bioware to do so. Later on EA saw it and shelved it, which is far from what you thought.Warrior Craess wrote...
Dragoonlordz wrote...
If you think that then Bioware should drop Mass Effect and make Mass Warfare FPS, after all more people like FPS so why would they not want more money and more fans from a genre which has more of both? You want them to have more fans and therefore more money but only if they continue to make what you want.
Who said thats not what EA and Bioware planned? Why even bother with the no decision style of play, if your not testing for this very possiblity? Why take away resource space, and time, if your simply not going to be making any more games for this franchise? Why take the chance of hurting your flagship game if you didn't have other plans for it?
Blueprotoss wrote...
You do know that the ME3's MP was going to be a stand alone FPS that was basically like Star Wars: Battlefront and this was a decision by Bioware to do so. Later on EA saw it and shelved it, which is far from what you thought.Warrior Craess wrote...
Dragoonlordz wrote...
If you think that then Bioware should drop Mass Effect and make Mass Warfare FPS, after all more people like FPS so why would they not want more money and more fans from a genre which has more of both? You want them to have more fans and therefore more money but only if they continue to make what you want.
Who said thats not what EA and Bioware planned? Why even bother with the no decision style of play, if your not testing for this very possiblity? Why take away resource space, and time, if your simply not going to be making any more games for this franchise? Why take the chance of hurting your flagship game if you didn't have other plans for it?
I am disappoint wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
If fact was my opinion then you ME2 would have been an RPG, which we all know that ME2 striped most of its RPG elements and retained the RPG label. If you aren't willing to except the actual facts then you'll never get what you want in ME3.I am disappoint wrote...
In your opinion it is a fact.
Why do you think ME2 is an RPG?
Blueprotoss wrote...
To be fair Bioware hasn't done anything wrong because they did create ME and own the rights to ME as well. The perfect storm was done with Starcraft: Ghost and Half-Life 2, but the difference between the two is that Half-life 2 survived while Starcraft: Ghost died. If a small amount of crazy fans killed Bioware then games like Mario, Zelda, Halo, CoD, Assassain's Creed, and most of the other video game series would have died.BearlyHere wrote...
Archonsg wrote...
I am still curious to see just how well Bioware's next game will sell. Given its a "Command and Conquer" game which appeals to an entirely different genre of players.
More telling, probably Dragon Age 3, if it even gets off the storyboard.
Or another Mass Effect game.
Bioware did buy back some good will wuth the EC, and I know some actually bought Leviathan because they were hoping for a huge impact for a new ending, even ignoring advice to "wait and see".
Even now there are rumblings that Omega would hold the "key" for an alternate end, but seriously, if it isn't obvious by now, the current planned DLCs and BW's own track record indicates that tgey just don't care and want the issues with the ending to be swept aside.
Sad isn't it?
That everything fir the past 5 years to end the way it did?
It could have been remembered fir being the Epic game of the Decade, instead it became a sad reminder that "core fans" are just numbers and that a company's integrity and reputation for doing what is right towards its fans (aka paying customers) means little to nothing.
Exactly. It could have been a game talked about for years and been the standard for others to follow, like Baldur's Gate 2 still is. Now it's becoming a cautionary tale.
It seems to me like a perfect storm of dev burnout, hack writing, impossible deadlines, and corporate overlords who aren't from the gaming world and don't understand the product they're selling. It's sad to see Bioware go this direction. And I also wonder if it's deliberate. Maybe it's one way of getting out of EA's tentacles.
Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 10 septembre 2012 - 04:58 .
The stand alone game was shelved by EA and the ME3 MP was far from that concept.AresKeith wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
You do know that the ME3's MP was going to be a stand alone FPS that was basically like Star Wars: Battlefront and this was a decision by Bioware to do so. Later on EA saw it and shelved it, which is far from what you thought.Warrior Craess wrote...
Dragoonlordz wrote...
If you think that then Bioware should drop Mass Effect and make Mass Warfare FPS, after all more people like FPS so why would they not want more money and more fans from a genre which has more of both? You want them to have more fans and therefore more money but only if they continue to make what you want.
Who said thats not what EA and Bioware planned? Why even bother with the no decision style of play, if your not testing for this very possiblity? Why take away resource space, and time, if your simply not going to be making any more games for this franchise? Why take the chance of hurting your flagship game if you didn't have other plans for it?
EA didn't shelve it, they liked the idea and morphed it into a tacked on MP for ME3 instead of a stand-alone downloadable game
Blueprotoss wrote...
The stand alone game was shelved by EA and the ME3 MP was far from that concept.AresKeith wrote...
EA didn't shelve it, they liked the idea and morphed it into a tacked on MP for ME3 instead of a stand-alone downloadable game
Blueprotoss wrote...
The stand alone game was shelved by EA and the ME3 MP was far from that concept.
Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 10 septembre 2012 - 04:49 .
Sending death threats would be accurate when someone is crazy.3DandBeyond wrote...
Nice. Calling people crazy. You do more harm to yourself than anyone you have so labeled by using such a juvenile term.
Yet the did have a small outcry of hate since everyone isn't a Starcraft or Half-Life fan. ME3 is still a small uproar just like what Skyward Sword, Diablo 3, RE: ORC, Street Fighter x Tekken, the PC version of Dark Souls, Hitman: Absolution, and the Tomb Raider reboot have received so far this year.3DandBeyond wrote...
None of the games you have listed ever had any outcry that rose to any level nearing what occurred here. I have friends that don't play any video games that asked me about the ME3 debacle and they already had their own opinions on it. And I have relatives that play video games that have never heard of those you've listed. None of the things that happened in them caused such a disconnect with fans as has occurred here. And Halflife 2 is a particularly funny mention since what fans have always believed by and large is that they are waiting for H3. You cannot compare this situation to any other because the level of this is so far above any other just plain disgruntled fan activity and you need to ask yourself why.
I have also played games that did suck or recieved the "suck" for not being a mainstream game but I have no reason to lash out because I bought the game whether it was a good or bad buy.3DandBeyond wrote...
The answer is clear to me because I've played games that sucked. What mostly happens is I just don't care about them very much, so my concerns are sometimes there and sometimes expressed and if it's a fixed item, then fine. If not, then I've seen the game series go away.
Demon Souls was originally Japan only and Atlus picked it up to do an English translation then it exploded again, which denied the chance of Atlus owning the series after that success.3DandBeyond wrote...
I've posted here that I have played From Software's Demon's Souls and Dark Souls on the PS3. Demon's Souls was originally planned only for Japan but it went viral and due to people importing that in NA and elsewhere, first an NA version and then an EU version was released. It was a little game with overwhelming, unplanned for success and the NA version of the integrated SP/MP play was not flawless but it basically worked-it's a unique way of integrating the 2 as a core part of how you want to, but don't need to play the game.
Ironically the Japanese do demo a lot of games just like what everyone does when a game is ported to a different reason. Either the Koreans still beat the Japanes on demoing games.3DandBeyond wrote...
Dark Souls was a sequel of sorts and also had that SP/MP integration option, but it didn't work. The distributor's handling of the servers was different from Demon's Souls and people couldn't play with anyone online, and definitely not friends or any specific person-even when the game advertising said you'd play online with friends. This game was still an awesome game and it got marginally better when they made the P2P lobbies bigger, but online play was still not as easy as it had been in Demon's Souls. But, it was for a small game a very big firestorm of complaining because the game's online aspects just never worked right. And in trying to fix it, From even all but totally broke the Japanese version in a patch (sent out first to Japan)-the Japanese complained about being used as beta testers and From released an apology and very quickly fixed what they broke.
When the story peaked there was 10,000 signatures to counter the Games for Windows feature while its still there.3DandBeyond wrote...
Recently, there was another firestorm because the PC version was to be released and it was to use Microsoft Gaming instead of valve, I guess-From decided to I think use both or to just use Valve, due to fan outcry.
A petition that has over 100,000 signatures is really hard to disagree in a 1 million player fanbase.3DandBeyond wrote...
How many people are aware of this? And it was a fairly big issue-the console version's problems and the PC release's complaints. And yet, the dev is trying to address the situations. And there's one more thing.
From Software is known for being singularly against DLC-they feel (or felt) that a game should be complete upon release. They've said this repeatedly, but fans really wanted DLC for Demon's Souls and have begged for it for Dark Souls. This company that was diametrically opposed to DLC because they thought it was taking advantage of players, are set to release DLC for Dark Souls. Due to fan request. And this is a company that has basically for the most part been happy to merely release games for a Japanese audience-fans all but forced it (and SCEJ) to release a game globally (not by demanding or even asking, but by playing) and then fans all but forced it (by asking repeatedly) to create a PC version and then fans all but forced it (by asking repeatedly) to release DLC. And From, when they made mistakes, apologized, and when fans asked, they responded to them.
Kotaku is far from reliable while its better to look at Gamespot, GI, 1up, Penny Arcade, and some of the other more reliable video game news sites because Kotaku is a rumor mill site looking only for hits.AresKeith wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
The stand alone game was shelved by EA and the ME3 MP was far from that concept.AresKeith wrote...
EA didn't shelve it, they liked the idea and morphed it into a tacked on MP for ME3 instead of a stand-alone downloadable game
no, they had to change it to that because the games engine wouldn't allow it http://kotaku.com/58...ooter/gallery/1
This is very true other then the Indy guys since they can stand on a game for 3-5 years to make tweaks here and there. Most of the Developers do care about their fans but they also need to make money when their games cost 7 or 8 figures.3DandBeyond wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
The stand alone game was shelved by EA and the ME3 MP was far from that concept.
Most of this is internet rumor and all that. The conventional wisdom (and we all know that conventional anything is impossible) said a lot of things-MMORPG was next, or was it? FPS was next, or was it? In order to make that happen they'd likely have to change the infrastructure of the game completely and that's not cheap.
Well, TOR, may help them decide what will be. We as consumers have no clue as to what any game dev does or does not want to do, especially in the case of larger companies. The smaller ones are sometimes more transparent, because they care to have fans like them-they tend to share with fans.
Oh I do keep things in perespectative and I see that you do as well, but there has to be a middle ground and Bioware somewhat snapped based on some on that rediculous treatment that they received since Baldur's Gate 2.3DandBeyond wrote...
The point still is none of this matters. What does matter is that companies do have to form relationships with fans and they have to act like they're wearing teflon. That doesn't mean that fans shouldn't act responsibly and tone down the rhetoric. Keep things in perspective and realize it's about a game and all. I think all sides should do this and remember, we are all real people and we'd like to see a great product and we do, I do want them to continue making this kind of thing, not something else, this unique thing.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 10 septembre 2012 - 05:13 .
What is proper is in the eye of the beholder.Applepie_Svk wrote...
Is it wrong to want proper ending for Shepard ?
AlanC9 wrote...
Excellent. We haven't had a "what is an RPG" thread in weeks.
Blueprotoss wrote...
What is proper is in the eye of the beholder.Applepie_Svk wrote...
Is it wrong to want proper ending for Shepard ?
Blueprotoss wrote...
Oh I do keep things in perespectative and I see that you do as well, but there has to be a middle ground and Bioware somewhat snapped based on some on that rediculous treatment that they received since Baldur's Gate 2.
To be fair a lot of games really don't have the openess that some people thought ME would have as a whole.iakus wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
What is proper is in the eye of the beholder.Applepie_Svk wrote...
Is it wrong to want proper ending for Shepard ?
You'd think with multiple endings there'd be a wider variety of properness to behold
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 10 septembre 2012 - 05:52 .
Remanentmoss01 wrote...
Demon and Dark Souls are two of the best games ive played, they are very challenging in a good way, Ive often wondered what ME would be like if Miyazaki was head honcho of the Mass Effect team , I bet he would have left us a way to beat the Reapers though it most likely would have been steam coming out of your ears torture by the time you managed it, But no matter how impossible it seems theres always a way to win in Souls
Blueprotoss wrote...
To be fair a lot of games really don't have the openess that some people thought ME would have as a whole.iakus wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
What is proper is in the eye of the beholder.Applepie_Svk wrote...
Is it wrong to want proper ending for Shepard ?
You'd think with multiple endings there'd be a wider variety of properness to behold
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