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[Blueprotoss]

Redbelle wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Sry blue, but could you expand on what you mean in that statement?

Do you want to die or have your family harmed?

Not sure how a death threat aimed at someone else or me personally is a distinction. A death threat is a death threat. Individuals can place greater emphasis on them but outside of the individuals bubble such a threat can be dealt with a manner similar to other threat regardless of who sent them to whom.

*edit* Physical harm? The threat of physical harm or actual physical harm that has occured?

p.s. I'm sensing we're sooooo off topic with this.

Lots of people have been killed far less than a video game.  Life is life whether or not you have a family to look out for.

Most of the complaints that were directed at Bioware especially here on BSN were death threats with physical violence.

Its actually not off-topic when reaching a middle ground is being tallked about.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 10 septembre 2012 - 09:15 .

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

but you can't base an entire side of the fanbase because of a few people of acts like that, and a company like EA/Bioware has to be use to that no matter what

Its a part of the fanbase, but everyone has a right to defend their lives.

but what does this has to do with suggesting a compromise that can benefit both sides of the fanbase

[3DandBeyond]

Blueprotoss wrote...


Never said you agreed with death threats, but death threats is a whole different animal.  Nobody likes them especially when they have their own family.

Ok, I'm sorry but REALLY?  But out of my whole post all you focused on was telling me that death threats are bad-as if I didn't know. 

I can't take this seriously because of course no one likes them with or without a family.  I've been threatened in the past and yes so was my relative that I spoke of-she's had death threats because she deals with the public.  As I said, there are 2 sides to this-people that threaten that overtly and you do not, absolutely do not use that to cast suspicion over all of your customers and those that seem to really, really like you-the stalker mentality.  I have studied psychology and I've seen this. 

This last kind is the person that will defend you to the death from anyone with even a perceived negative attitude against you.  And you won't see them coming.  This type of person will tweet about how much they love you and that people are just so mean-some people are sincere, but there is a zero degree probability that every person posting that kind of thing is mentally sound. 

I am saying that this is why companies act like companies and don't get so personal with their fans.  Some fans think that Bioware employees are their close personal friends.  That's just as dangerous as the out and out threat.

[Isichar]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Most of the complaints that were directed at Bioware especially here on BSN were death threats with physical violence.

orly?

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

but you can't base an entire side of the fanbase because of a few people of acts like that, and a company like EA/Bioware has to be use to that no matter what

Its a part of the fanbase, but everyone has a right to defend their lives.

but what does this has to do with suggesting a compromise that can benefit both sides of the fanbase

Apologies should be released Bioware, which that could help to cause a middle ground.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

but you can't base an entire side of the fanbase because of a few people of acts like that, and a company like EA/Bioware has to be use to that no matter what

Its a part of the fanbase, but everyone has a right to defend their lives.

but what does this has to do with suggesting a compromise that can benefit both sides of the fanbase

Apologies should be released Bioware, which that could help to cause a middle ground.

I'm sorry but that made me almost fall off my chair.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 10 septembre 2012 - 09:19 .

[ShepnTali]

Isichar wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Most of the complaints that were directed at Bioware especially here on BSN were death threats with physical violence.

orly?

Straw man nonsense arse pulled at its finest, that has zero to do with the topic.

Modifié par ShepnTali, 10 septembre 2012 - 09:20 .

[AresKeith]

lets try to get back on topic

[Blueprotoss]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Apologies should be released Bioware, which that could help to cause a middle ground.

This is one of the reasons some people won't get what they want. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 10 septembre 2012 - 09:24 .

[Blueprotoss]

ShepnTali wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Most of the complaints that were directed at Bioware especially here on BSN were death threats with physical violence.

orly?

Straw man nonsense arse pulled at its finest, that has zero to do with the topic.

How is that when "reaching a middle ground" is a huge part of this topic.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Everyone knows by now that Blueprotoss is actually Mac Walters.

[Redbelle]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Redbelle wrote...

Sry blue, but could you expand on what you mean in that statement?

Do you want to die or have your family harmed?

Not sure how a death threat aimed at someone else or me personally is a distinction. A death threat is a death threat. Individuals can place greater emphasis on them but outside of the individuals bubble such a threat can be dealt with a manner similar to other threat regardless of who sent them to whom.

*edit* Physical harm? The threat of physical harm or actual physical harm that has occured?

p.s. I'm sensing we're sooooo off topic with this.

Lots of people have been killed far less than a video game.  Life is life whether or not you have a family to look out for.

Most of the complaints that were directed at Bioware especially here on BSN were death threats with physical violence.

Its actually not off-topic when reaching a middle ground is being tallked about.

Then the next question is obvious. Were any of these threats carried out? And if they have not but may, what would you do about it?

I ask as I have a friend with a benign inoperable brain tumour that may our may not flair up during the pregnancy she wishs to go through with her hubby. She's seen the doctors, had the tests but in the end all it's all uncertain and it's down to her to decide what to do. How do you go about living your life which will also potentially affect the husband and the conceived?

Not exactly what we were dicussing but the parelels are there.

In this example however the child was born and the mother was fine. Both are doing great

Modifié par Redbelle, 10 septembre 2012 - 09:25 .

[ShepnTali]

Blueprotoss wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Most of the complaints that were directed at Bioware especially here on BSN were death threats with physical violence.

orly?

Straw man nonsense arse pulled at its finest, that has zero to do with the topic.

How is that when "reaching a middle ground" is a huge part of this topic.

Yes, continue with your lies and mixed-up nonsense.

[Applepie_Svk]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Apologies should be released Bioware, which that could help to cause a middle ground.

Do you even know how we get there ? Do you know how someone manage to create all those meme jokes about BioWare and Mass Effect 3 ? They start with long line of lies and after release they locked themselves in their wind castle of artstic integrity - untouchable bastion of hubris. but from other side of barricade there was a fanbase, ah yes fanbase aksing question about what happened to all those words ...

I am not supporting death threats or physical harm, but trolling and forum filled with angry fans is an equal of what they did to us.

And to middle ground, I would be glad if it happened but I know that not gonna happen because it would be against their artistic integrity despite the fact that they have none, they proved it with ME3 and they are still trying harder and harder with loosing even product integrity..

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 10 septembre 2012 - 09:27 .

[Blueprotoss]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Everyone knows by now that Blueprotoss is actually Mac Walters.

If you're a representative of the BSN then you would never get what you want.

[3DandBeyond]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

but you can't base an entire side of the fanbase because of a few people of acts like that, and a company like EA/Bioware has to be use to that no matter what

Its a part of the fanbase, but everyone has a right to defend their lives.

So how does fomenting conflict and disagreement lead to defending one's life? 

What others did, once they found out about the death threats was to imply that every complaining fan was like that and that is completely injurious and only causes hatred and contempt.  You don't use death threats as a way to defend your position.

Again, I think anyone doing such a thing is horrid.  I don't condone it nor agree with it.  But I should not have to say I don't agree with that behavior.  I should not be put in the position of having to say death threats are bad-they are.  I didn't even get all involved in the initial debacle and I feel like I have to defend myself here, because I was here when there was a writing campaign and someone wrote in and said they weren't going to buy anymore BW games unless the ending was fixed.  Casey Hudson went and told review sites about it and characterized that as a threat.  Well that raised the idea again that all anti-enders want Hudson dead.  And people such as some who post here use that as an excuse to heap insults on anyone that does not agree with them.  This crap does not help anyone.  And it's because both sides made it personal, way too personal.  But to this day twitter is a place used by some to complain about fans and those doing so get immunity because all we are is a bunch of wanna be killers who threatened to kill the BW devs.  That is totally unfair.

And the further point still remains.  Every single person who is in the public eye gets death threats-it is a horrible fact of life.  I've had them and I'm a very small fish-very very small.  It's not right, but it's totally wrong to imply that that is a large segment of any group.  And that is tremendously offensive.

[Blueprotoss]

Redbelle wrote...

Then the next question is obvious. Were any of these threats carried out? And if they have not but may, what would you do about it?

I ask as I have a friend with a benign inoperable brain tumour that may our may not flair up during the pregnancy she wishs to go through with her hubby. She's seen the doctors, had the tests but in the end all it's all uncertain and it's down to her to decide what to do. How do you go about living your life which will also potentially affect the husband and the conceived?

Not exactly what we were dicussing but the parelels are there.

I doubt anyone would answer that question and I would be pissed if I had my own family to protect.

[Isichar]

Blueprotoss wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Most of the complaints that were directed at Bioware especially here on BSN were death threats with physical violence.

orly?

Straw man nonsense arse pulled at its finest, that has zero to do with the topic.

How is that when "reaching a middle ground" is a huge part of this topic.

I want proof of this. I have been on these forums since ME3 was released and well I can say there has been some strongly worded rants and much verbal abuse towards bioware, I cannot say i have seen many (if any for that matter) death threats. The fact you see it that way just goes to show how destructive your views towards the fans who are displeased on the situation are. Dont pretend to be looking for middle ground if you view "most" of us this way.

[Dragoonlordz]

That person that is soooo sypathetic on here to Bioware[/b]may actually believe they have a close personal relationship with Bioware and think that Bioware personally cares about them and if they find out it's not true, look out.  I am serious about this. 

Didn't you just describe more of the people who dislike the endings than like them? The ones who are in the 'found out it's not true' phase. Wouldn't that make them potentially 'has been' stalkers by your logic. In fact are you also not to small degree the same as them, you who think you are their self proclaimed savior. You who is here begging them to do what you want because as you keep putting it "[b]care so much for them". Since your going to be labelling people stalkers because they support Bioware on ME3 endings (god forbid someone can enjoy what you did not).

I treat Bioware as a studio, they either make something I like or they don't. If they don't then I don't buy it, if they do make something in future I like then I do buy it. I also treat the developer staff as people, people who deserve some respect for the years of hard work they spent creating games you liked and not throwing a hissy fit when they do not. Do not mistake supporting the studios stance on one thing or one of their games to mean those people are fanboys and would support everything they do. I did not like DA2, I made that clear but I did like ME3 even if had some elements I did not enjoy the ending was not one of them.

I understand that they are more than just some dude who made some part of some video game you hate or like. For example Mike Laidlaw got bashed on hard by so called 'fans' and I also disliked the direction he took DA2 and I voiced my dislike aswell but as a human being he earns my respect for many things I have since got to know about him even if I still think he took DA2 in a direction that was not enjoyable to me personally.

Respecting him or Mac or Casey does not equal "Oh, lets be bestest friends trololo". Mike for example supports other peoples projects and dreams by helping fund their projects on kickstarter, John for example is working against misogyny in the games industry. This is just couple examples but their are endless more so just because you hate a game ending or just because you dislike something someone said it does not mean that is all there is to the person you hate so much.

The people on here who rant on and insult/threaten Casey, Mac, Mike or Jennifer are in reality only doing so based on microscopic part of their career and something they said. Prior to ME3 released everyone on here was always praising Casey for tweets, on here most people liked the content Mac and Casey have been part of creating. People are more than just the last thing they said or last thing they created. Just because you can respect them as individuals for things some of them do, does not mean your going to buy their next product, does not mean going to praise everything they do either.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 10 septembre 2012 - 09:40 .

[Blueprotoss]

3DandBeyond wrote...

And the further point still remains.  Every single person who is in the public eye gets death threats-it is a horrible fact of life.  I've had them and I'm a very small fish-very very small.  It's not right, but it's totally wrong to imply that that is a large segment of any group.  And that is tremendously offensive.

Its not common for video game developers to get those threats and at least half of Bioware's employees have kids to protect.

[Blueprotoss]

ShepnTali wrote...

Yes, continue with your lies and mixed-up nonsense.

I'm sure you haven't paid attention to 3D then. 

Isichar wrote...

I want proof of this. I have been on these forums since ME3 was released and well I can say there has been some strongly worded rants and much verbal abuse towards bioware, I cannot say i have seen many (if any for that matter) death threats. The fact you see it that way just goes to show how destructive your views towards the fans who are displeased on the situation are. Dont pretend to be looking for middle ground if you view "most" of us this way.

Its not that hard to find.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 10 septembre 2012 - 09:31 .

[Pheonix57]

For what it's worth, I too would like Bioware to issue an apology. Or at least give us something solid that explains what they did/are trying to do.

[Icinix]

Pheonix57 wrote...

For what it's worth, I too would like Bioware to issue an apology. Or at least give us something solid that explains what they did/are trying to do.

I want them to start talking about the ending like they said the day after launch they would do once more people had played it.

They said discussions were imminent....

[Conniving_Eagle]

Pheonix57 wrote...

For what it's worth, I too would like Bioware to issue an apology. Or at least give us something solid that explains what they did/are trying to do.

I believe they had no idea how to make a "cool" ending, so they ported over the ones from Deus Ex.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 10 septembre 2012 - 09:32 .

[Blueprotoss]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...
Apologies should be released Bioware, which that could help to cause a middle ground.

Do you even know how we get there ? Do you know how someone manage to create all those meme jokes about BioWare and Mass Effect 3 ? They start with long line of lies and after release they locked themselves in their wind castle of artstic integrity - untouchable bastion of hubris. but from other side of barricade there was a fanbase, ah yes fanbase aksing question about what happened to all those words ...

I am not supporting death threats or physical harm, but trolling and forum filled with angry fans is an equal of what they did to us.

And to middle ground, I would be glad if it happened but I know that not gonna happen because it would be against their artistic integrity despite the fact that they have none, they proved it with ME3 and they are still trying harder and harder with loosing even product integrity.

You mst not be paying attention to 3D then.