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[Dragoonlordz]

AresKeith wrote...

@Dragoon where in this thread have you seen someone demand a conventional victory?

It has been said multiple times in this thread that to some people here conventional or unconventional victory is the only thing they will accept. That is not compromise. My suggestion like 30 or so pages back suggested actual compromise that gives three out of the four major things people have asked for in a way that won't undermine Biowares story they wished to tell. Like I said some people in here do not grasp the concept of compromise or know what "middle ground" is.

Since you like posing questions here's one for you and for 3D. If they gave a reunion via one additional cutscene on the destroy ending, if they gave another Harbinger confrontation in another pre-endgame DLC and if they gave a more emotional set of cutscenes for the refuse ending even though still ends in loss (to keep their story wished to tell intact) would you accept that and be done with your complaining or in reality would nothing other than conventional or unconventional victory be acceptable to you two? Because my suggestion had all of those things except the last one yet was dismissed and thrown out the window .

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 10 septembre 2012 - 09:57 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

None of the endings are canon...

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 10 septembre 2012 - 09:56 .

[Blueprotoss]

Isichar wrote...

Its quite sad to see people with such destructive views and outlooks like you. Continue making ridiculous claims like you have with no ability to actually back up what your saying. I have no interest in attempting a discussion with someone who views me as some kind of criminal for having issues with something in a game and going to a forum to discuss it, nor do I have any interest in derailing this thread with this garbage.

Yet you're contradicting yourself when you want Bioware to change ME3.

[Almostfaceman]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dragoon where in this thread have you seen someone demand a conventional victory?

It has been said multiple times in this thread that the only thing acceptable to some people here is conventional or unconventional victory is the only thing they will accept. That is not compromise. My suggestion like 30 or so pages back suggested actual compromise that gives three out of the four major things people have asked for in a way that won't undermine Biowares story they wished to tell. Like I said some people in here do not grasp the concept of compromise or know what "middle ground" is.

Since you like posing questions here's one for you and for 3D. If they gave a reunion via one additional cutscene on the destroy ending, if they gave another Harbinger confrontation in another pre-endgame DLC and if they gave a more emotional set of cutscenes for the refuse ending even though still ends in loss would you accept that and be done with your complaining or in reality would nothing other than conventional or unconventional victory? Because my suggestion had all of those things except the last one yet was dismissed and thrown out the window .

Asking for conventional victory and offering to pay for a dlc that provides it is compromise. Will we get it? Nope. But still, it's offering to pay for what we want. 

[Blueprotoss]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

None of the endings are canon...

Yet nobody knows this.

[ShepnTali]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dragoon where in this thread have you seen someone demand a conventional victory?

It has been said multiple times in this thread that the only thing acceptable to some people here is conventional or unconventional victory is the only thing they will accept. That is not compromise. My suggestion like 30 or so pages back suggested actual compromise that gives three out of the four major things people have asked for in a way that won't undermine Biowares story they wished to tell. Like I said some people in here do not grasp the concept of compromise or know what "middle ground" is.

Since you like posing questions here's one for you and for 3D. If they gave a reunion via one additional cutscene on the destroy ending, if they gave another Harbinger confrontation in another pre-endgame DLC and if they gave a more emotional set of cutscenes for the refuse ending even though still ends in loss would you accept that and be done with your complaining or in reality would nothing other than conventional or unconventional victory? Because my suggestion had all of those things except the last one yet was dismissed and thrown out the window .

Personally, I'd be good with this.

Though, I'd also like some better Priority Earth action as well. 

[Blueprotoss]

Redbelle wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

www.youtube.com/watch

So who did Deus Ex copy?

So there was no movie called Star Trek: First Contact?

I've just gone through evey post related to this and watched the vid........... How does ST : FC factor into this?

Data and the Borg is a good start.

[Almostfaceman]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

None of the endings are canon...

Yet nobody knows this.

Everybody knows this.

[Blueprotoss]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Realistically, we're not going to get what we want (apologies, dlc's, etc.) unless we make the corporation feel it in the wallet. So if enough of us don't spend money on Bioware products, they'll begin to understand that what they're doing doesn't please their customers. So do what I do, if you want change, keep your change.

Boycotts either cause more problems or don't solve anything.

Boycotts solve problems and get things resolved. 

How is that when L4D2 was well recieved and most of the boycotts were killed.

[Blueprotoss]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

None of the endings are canon...

Yet nobody knows this.

Everybody knows this.

Have you played ME4?

[Almostfaceman]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Realistically, we're not going to get what we want (apologies, dlc's, etc.) unless we make the corporation feel it in the wallet. So if enough of us don't spend money on Bioware products, they'll begin to understand that what they're doing doesn't please their customers. So do what I do, if you want change, keep your change.

Boycotts either cause more problems or don't solve anything.

Boycotts solve problems and get things resolved. 

How is that when L4D2 was well recieved and most of the boycotts were killed.

Oh, are we done speaking in silly absolutes?

[3DandBeyond]

Part of this is directed at one poster who for some reason had to bring up particularly disgusting and abhorrent things-things that should be put in the past or that should have been dealt with in a mature way.  I will not apologize for things I did not do and I cannot feel any shame for that kind of thing since I never took part and I wouldn't, so it has no place here in this discussion.  It only opens old wounds.

I believe that some people are merely here to argue and I have no wish to debate the past with them. I can't change that and bringing it up implies that certain things are still ongoing.

This gets us nowhere and it is casting blame on everyone which if the reverse were true would be just as wrong.

It needs to stop. It's childish and stupid. When I was twelve my one brother hit me. Should I blame my other brother for that? And how long is long enough for me to blame both of them?

Bioware shouldn't use proxies to defend themselves and we should all have more constructive discussion.

I do think there's middle ground in all of this and compromise and I've laid out that compromise. And contrary to what one person has said here, that does not mean we'd get everything we want because we'd rather they wiped out the whole ending. Compromise isn't giving them everything either. I've suggested that we pay for it and that is compromise. I've also suggested that it not impact other people's games unless they want it to and that's compromise those people don't want to make. It won't affect them but they don't want it to happen. Now that's real compromise.

My appeal remains to Bioware. I have never threatened them, but have at times been extremely critical. I do not think any of my criticism has been without merit, but I am hopeful that they can put that behind them and that we can all put things behind us and work together for a way forward. I've no interest in continuing on with this same discussion forever.

It should be evident to anyone with 2 brain cells to click together that this site is far less active than it used to be and that does not bode well. I've recently been on gaming sites for even older games that are much more active, so we can keep on arguing the same old stuff or all agree to compromise. One person's supposed suggestion is not at all in line with any real compromise and does not at all address what we've discussed here or what is in my OP.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 10 septembre 2012 - 10:05 .

[Blueprotoss]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Oh, are we done speaking in silly absolutes?

I gave you an example and I proved you wrong.  Its not my falt you don't want to be wrong.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 10 septembre 2012 - 10:08 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dragoon where in this thread have you seen someone demand a conventional victory?

It has been said multiple times in this thread that the only thing acceptable to some people here is conventional or unconventional victory is the only thing they will accept. That is not compromise. My suggestion like 30 or so pages back suggested actual compromise that gives three out of the four major things people have asked for in a way that won't undermine Biowares story they wished to tell. Like I said some people in here do not grasp the concept of compromise or know what "middle ground" is.

Since you like posing questions here's one for you and for 3D. If they gave a reunion via one additional cutscene on the destroy ending, if they gave another Harbinger confrontation in another pre-endgame DLC and if they gave a more emotional set of cutscenes for the refuse ending even though still ends in loss would you accept that and be done with your complaining or in reality would nothing other than conventional or unconventional victory? Because my suggestion had all of those things except the last one yet was dismissed and thrown out the window .

Asking for conventional victory and offering to pay for a dlc that provides it is compromise. Will we get it? Nope. But still, it's offering to pay for what we want. 

It is not compromise just because some people are willing to pay, there was poll recently which actually asked how much people were willing to pay and the highest votes was in the not willing to pay for it. DLC costs truly immense amounts of money to make and a lot of time (time as said earlier taken away from other DLC which other people want). Going by that poll and going by how many actual people in here there is no where even close to the amount costs to produce. 3D's response proved my point though that the one thing they do not want to do is the one thing you want even if gave you 3/4 other things that have been mentioned in here. That is not compromise, it gives no consideration to what Bioware want to do with the story they created. My suggestion was actual compromise because gave you three things they did not want to do and only one thing that you did want not being given.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 10 septembre 2012 - 10:07 .

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dragoon where in this thread have you seen someone demand a conventional victory?

It has been said multiple times in this thread that to some people here conventional or unconventional victory is the only thing they will accept. That is not compromise. My suggestion like 30 or so pages back suggested actual compromise that gives three out of the four major things people have asked for in a way that won't undermine Biowares story they wished to tell. Like I said some people in here do not grasp the concept of compromise or know what "middle ground" is.

Since you like posing questions here's one for you and for 3D. If they gave a reunion via one additional cutscene on the destroy ending, if they gave another Harbinger confrontation in another pre-endgame DLC and if they gave a more emotional set of cutscenes for the refuse ending even though still ends in loss (to keep their story wished to tell intact) would you accept that and be done with your complaining or in reality would nothing other than conventional or unconventional victory be acceptable to you two? Because my suggestion had all of those things except the last one yet was dismissed and thrown out the window .

hmm if they really showed Shepard alive with a reunion I would accept that. What kind of confrontation with Harbinger? And the set of cutscenes for Refuse still wouldn't change my view on it. But do I personally want an unconventional victory, yes I do but I'm not asking for that.

But I also wanna see a fully complete Crucible and the Starbrat to say what he really is

[Isichar]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Its quite sad to see people with such destructive views and outlooks like you. Continue making ridiculous claims like you have with no ability to actually back up what your saying. I have no interest in attempting a discussion with someone who views me as some kind of criminal for having issues with something in a game and going to a forum to discuss it, nor do I have any interest in derailing this thread with this garbage.

Yet you're contradicting yourself when you want Bioware to change ME3.

How so? I do not demand it nor wish any harm on bioware or anyone for that matter. I have the opinion that mass effect 3 would be a much better game with a different ending, but again that is just my opinion and as someone who buys bioware games I have just as much a right to voice my opinion the same as anyone else who is willing to be civil. And I have not done anything to actively hurt bioware (boycotting is not the same) nor condone those who would. Your saying that there are more people on these forums that use death threats (a pretty serious claim) then these is that have not and having been in hundreds of threads I can honestly say I have not seen others doing what you claim they are.

[Almostfaceman]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I believe that some people are merely here to argue and I have no wish to debate the past with them. I can't change that and bringing it up implies that certain things are still ongoing.

You would be correct. You are also correct in pointing out willingness to pay for dlc is compromise. You've done well laying out your points. If it's going to happen, it will happen. If it's not, it's not. If they don't I say walk away and give another company a shot. 

[Blueprotoss]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I believe that some people are merely here to argue and I have no wish to debate the past with them. I can't change that and bringing it up implies that certain things are still ongoing.

This gets us nowhere and it is casting blame on everyone which if the reverse were true would be just as wrong.

It needs to stop. It's childish and stupid. When I was twelve my one brother hit me. Should I blame my other brother for that? And how long is long enough for me to blame both of them?

Bioware shouldn't use proxies to defend themselves and we should all have more constructive discussion.

I do think there's middle ground in all of this and compromise and I've laid out that compromise. And contrary to what one person has said here, that does not mean we'd get everything we want because we'd rather they wiped out the whole ending. Compromise isn't giving them everything either. I've suggested that we pay for it and that is compromise. I've also suggested that it not impact other people's games unless they want it to and that's compromise those people don't want to make. It won't affect them but they don't want it to happen. Now that's real compromise.

This!  I loved the endings whie I wouldn't mind some of the rage dieng with a reasonable compromise.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

None of the endings are canon...

Yet nobody knows this.

If this was true, we wouldn't be asking for alternate endings.

[Blueprotoss]

Isichar wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Its quite sad to see people with such destructive views and outlooks like you. Continue making ridiculous claims like you have with no ability to actually back up what your saying. I have no interest in attempting a discussion with someone who views me as some kind of criminal for having issues with something in a game and going to a forum to discuss it, nor do I have any interest in derailing this thread with this garbage.

Yet you're contradicting yourself when you want Bioware to change ME3.

How so? I do not demand it nor wish any harm on bioware or anyone for that matter. I have the opinion that mass effect 3 would be a much better game with a different ending, but again that is just my opinion and as someone who buys bioware games I have just as much a right to voice my opinion the same as anyone else who is willing to be civil. And I have not done anything to actively hurt bioware (boycotting is not the same) nor condone those who would. Your saying that there are more people on these forums that use death threats (a pretty serious claim) then these is that have not and having been in hundreds of threads I can honestly say I have not seen others doing what you claim they are.

Its easy to deny death threats when you can't access the email accounts of Bioware employees or have topics/comments deleted.

[Blueprotoss]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

None of the endings are canon...

Yet nobody knows this.

If this was true, we wouldn't be asking for alternate endings.

Yet you still don't know.

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Its easy to deny death threats when you can't access the email accounts of Bioware employees or have topics/comments deleted.

we just said stop talking about death threats, can you pls stop BP

[Conniving_Eagle]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

None of the endings are canon...

Yet nobody knows this.

If this was true, we wouldn't be asking for alternate endings.

Yet you still don't know.

Now you're just trolling. But hell, you've been doing that already for the past hundred pages.

[Dragoonlordz]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dragoon where in this thread have you seen someone demand a conventional victory?

It has been said multiple times in this thread that to some people here conventional or unconventional victory is the only thing they will accept. That is not compromise. My suggestion like 30 or so pages back suggested actual compromise that gives three out of the four major things people have asked for in a way that won't undermine Biowares story they wished to tell. Like I said some people in here do not grasp the concept of compromise or know what "middle ground" is.

Since you like posing questions here's one for you and for 3D. If they gave a reunion via one additional cutscene on the destroy ending, if they gave another Harbinger confrontation in another pre-endgame DLC and if they gave a more emotional set of cutscenes for the refuse ending even though still ends in loss (to keep their story wished to tell intact) would you accept that and be done with your complaining or in reality would nothing other than conventional or unconventional victory be acceptable to you two? Because my suggestion had all of those things except the last one yet was dismissed and thrown out the window .

hmm if they really showed Shepard alive with a reunion I would accept that. What kind of confrontation with Harbinger? And the set of cutscenes for Refuse still wouldn't change my view on it. But do I personally want an unconventional victory, yes I do but I'm not asking for that.

But I also wanna see a fully complete Crucible and the Starbrat to say what he really is

With regard to Harbinger in order to keep inline with the story they wanted to create, he would still be before the beam. Taking this into account he could be part of for example Omega DLC, he can launch an attack on it while your there because he found out your there. You can have many dialogue scenes with him, many confrontations with his troops and even a confrontation with him whether through Omega defenses against his ship or Normandy.

The only thing is he would have to be able to escape to be present where is currently in ME3 core game. So in the end could you live with not killing him even if got to speak to him many times and even fight against him, the part on Earth can also keep inline in that his presence and shot at you is retaliation for what happened at Omega. This way you get an additional confrontation, a large one yet keeping the current story intact or is it you just want to watch him die via one single cutscene added to battle around Earth in a one thing or the other type solution.

The only thing I am against is conventional/unconventional victory as it goes against the game itself. Anyone who says otherwise is allowed to hold such opinion but that is what it remains just an opinion. Everything else like reunion is fine by me and an additional confrontation with Harbinger is fine by me but refuse = win is the one thing that I will never support.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 10 septembre 2012 - 10:18 .

[Isichar]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Isichar wrote...

Its quite sad to see people with such destructive views and outlooks like you. Continue making ridiculous claims like you have with no ability to actually back up what your saying. I have no interest in attempting a discussion with someone who views me as some kind of criminal for having issues with something in a game and going to a forum to discuss it, nor do I have any interest in derailing this thread with this garbage.

Yet you're contradicting yourself when you want Bioware to change ME3.

How so? I do not demand it nor wish any harm on bioware or anyone for that matter. I have the opinion that mass effect 3 would be a much better game with a different ending, but again that is just my opinion and as someone who buys bioware games I have just as much a right to voice my opinion the same as anyone else who is willing to be civil. And I have not done anything to actively hurt bioware (boycotting is not the same) nor condone those who would. Your saying that there are more people on these forums that use death threats (a pretty serious claim) then these is that have not and having been in hundreds of threads I can honestly say I have not seen others doing what you claim they are.

Its easy to deny death threats when you can't access the email accounts of Bioware employees or have topics/comments deleted.

I can not speak for the email accounts of bioware employees since I don't have that information, and I question whether you do too. That aside you said that most of the complaints, especially on BSN have been death threats. Again thats a very serious claim to make.

Do I doubt they have gotten death threats? No
Do I doubt they have gotten quite a few death threats? No
Have most the complaints on BSN had death threats? No