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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

@3D: The small amount of money and small amount of space it would take to make that scene would allow it to be put in with another DLC like Omega or something like that.

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

@3D: The small amount of money and small amount of space it would take to make that scene would allow it to be put in with another DLC like Omega or something like that.

Ending slides  might be doable with a patch.

[Dragoonlordz]

Warrior Craess wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

It has been said multiple times in this thread that to some people here conventional or unconventional victory is the only thing they will accept. That is not compromise. My suggestion like 30 or so pages back suggested actual compromise that gives three out of the four major things people have asked for in a way that won't undermine Biowares story they wished to tell.

Since you like posing questions here's one for you and for 3D. If they gave a reunion via one additional cutscene on the destroy ending, if they gave another Harbinger confrontation in another pre-endgame DLC and if they gave a more emotional set of cutscenes for the refuse ending even though still ends in loss (to keep their story wished to tell intact) would you accept that and be done with your complaining or in reality would nothing other than conventional or unconventional victory be acceptable to you two? Because my suggestion had all of those things except the last one yet was dismissed and thrown out the window .

I know this isn't addressed to me, but it looks like I missed a show this afternoon. What I bolded and underlined is the only dog I have in this fight. I get that and I'm good.

I still may point out other weaknesses in the game and the ending from a literary standpoint, but from a replay standpoint and from a "will I purchase DLC for the game" standpoint I'm good then.

I'd have to say that depending on what DLC they release prior to that, I'd be happier, and would probably buy their product on release day again if they did what Dragoonlordz wrote. Let me clarify though that if they continue to release stuff like Levi, which changes the equation of the war more than just a little bit, then they may indeed have to release un/conventional warfare victory. 

I would have been happy with the endings if they had just removed the stupid star child; given us a verbal confrontation between Harbinger, and Shepard; the need to explore the crucible/catalyst in order to initiate it's firing, and some visual clues that my war assests mattered. 

Instead of Harbinger defending the beem, it could have been a crap load of reaper forces. The number based the choices I made.. Destroy the geth, then Reapers are agumented by geth survivors, leave the Rachni queen, then a  metric ton of ravangers,  Save the queen less krogan shock troops during the run to the beem,  etc etc...

See this discussion I actually consider progress. It is compromise that both sides can live with Bioware and fans (excluding those who only want conventional or unconventional win). It keeps Biowares story intact the main plot and gives most of the people what asked for without making DLC for each and every group despite everyone else not wanting it (Bioware does not like creating DLC for one group over another, they want to create content for everyone). The reason why reunion scene was not added was because the IT theorists would have their theory completely thrown away if did it. That is why said did not add such a scene. The question is how many are so devoted to the IT theory that would offend.

I think any DLC that does not throw out the catalyst choices or disregard the plot they created is possible. People who want something have to be willing to compromise on what they want for it to move into the realm of what is possible and thats where the deciding factor comes in, whether or not a DLC is sticking two fingers up to Mac and Casey or Bioware by way of dismissing their plot and the work of their colleagues. If Bioware can keep their main story intact then the possiblity of gaining what someone wants is vastly increased. 3D's idea is an 'exclusion' form of DLC create to cater to (only) one specific group within the fanbase (imho).

Harbinger playing a part in additional DLC (like Omega as just an example though could be any other DLC already planned) is is not a major issue as does not affect the ending choices. It is therefore quite possible and actually likely to happen at some stage. Reunion is bit of tougher subject because of the IT theory supporters being the one thing standing between likely to happen and simply not happening. Myself I have no problem with reunion scenes added to DLC because I find the IT theory quite frankly grasping at straws and self denial (not a fan of the IT theory) but the IT theory revolves around the destroy ending which is the same ending such reunion scenes would impact. 

The additional cinematics to give the refuse ending more clout and more emotional impact can be done with how I imagine it to be fleets fighting against unbeatable odds. Emotional scenes revolving around people from the series you know and like in their final hour giving it everything they have got in one last stand via cinematics. I think that is a very nice thing and hell I would pick that ending just to see such emotional scenes a few times even if I revert to control for my canon ending. The one thing Bioware won't compromise on is their over-arching plot. There are truly vast amounts of people who oppose refuse equalling a win for many reasons and such DLC will never gain the full support of all the people on here, not now and not ever.

It is the brick wall that unless people in here are willing to concede on this one element then the only result will be large confrontations with each other day in and day out. But if had to sacrifice that one thing to gain all the other three I wonder just how many people will be willing to make that sacrifice. I think it would number in great amounts and most of the confrontations about the ending will not actually be hostile and not happen anywhere near as much. It is the biggest bone of contention and the one thing if people are honest with themselves they know Bioware will not agree too.

Anything DLC wise that tries to invalidate Biowares story wish to tell (regardless of the term "optional" being throw around a lot, which all DLC is in the first place) I think we all know Bioware are opposed to for the purpose of integrity of their story and writers simply won't happen. Things that do not alter that story are quite possible and far more likely.

So reunion scene my support is there, for Harbinger additional confrontation again I have no objections and can even support, making assets matter in the "Priority Earth" mission prior to the ending has my support definitely. Conventional or unconventional victory on the hand does not have my suport or many others on here which is why this thread is full of bickering and confrontation, including lack of support gain from Bioware which is clear is opposed to such an ending due to the nature of impact on the story they wished to create and more.

I am glad some people here are willing to compromise but I do consider it a shame 3D is not willing to do so. Being willing to pay is not anywhere near compromise required to get what wants, there simple is not enough people to make it a compromise Bioware is willing to take (imho). If could gain 3 out of 4 on the list provided the 4th is sacrificed I think many more people would offer their support. Lets be honest here this thread is seeking support, but if the OP is unwilling to compromise on CV/UV then that support is going to be much more limited especially from Bioware.

It doesn't take much imagination or common sense to realise Bioware does not want to create content which goes against the story they wanted to tell and the efforts of the writers in it's studio (they will defend their freinds and colleagues and rightly so, if I was working with them I would expect no less either) just to please some fans. Harbinger, reunion, assets playing greater part on Priorty Earth and more emotional scenes and such in the refuse ending as long as remains refuse not winning I think Bioware could do without screwing over their integrity of their story and work colleagues just to please some fans.

Anyways I am out of this thread. I got my own work to do.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 septembre 2012 - 01:39 .

[3DandBeyond]

iakus wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

@3D: The small amount of money and small amount of space it would take to make that scene would allow it to be put in with another DLC like Omega or something like that.

Ending slides  might be doable with a patch.

Not what I was disagreeing with.  The reunion scene always should have been there and yes, I'd want that.  I've said that all along.  Now dragoon all of a sudden thinks that's some original idea he came up with to solve everything.  iakus and Areskeith and so many of us have repeatedly said this and now dragoon has come up with it as a compromise.

What would be much more difficult and counter-productive is what I was pointing to.  A confrontation with Harbinger would require a lot more work and cost and is something I've always supported as well-something we've discussed here as well before.  However, the idea of adding meaningless content to refuse-cutscenes and slides for a certain death-it adds nothing and just wastes money.

Understand, I'm not fully opposed to anything but most of it was already suggested, but now dragoon has had an epiphany where he thinks he came up with the perfect solution when it isn't.

All of that content does exactly what he complained about from the start here and what he criticized me erroneously-saying I was suggesting.  So, he comes up with unoriginal ideas that were already proposed here and that do exactly what he accused me of trying to do.  I am very opposed to the whole spirit of the thing.  He has also stated it in the same post accusing people of demanding merely a conventional victory refusal, which was never the case at all. 

What he's suggesting is what we have been suggesting all along, as far as the one reunion scene.  This is not new and I'm sorry but I won't congratulate him for his amazing new compromise.  Instead, I ask once again that he go back and read my OP, which he has yet to do and that he then read what we have been suggesting here.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting it should not be done, but that was always the bare minimum and yet, it would still not be something enough for many people.  For instance, it's not something that will be enough to encourage people that still believe the murder of EDI and the geth means something and is merely there to make destroy non-canon or to give it an unreasonable cost.  This will still mean many people wouldn't buy any content just to get one minor reunion scene.  It fixes part of it, but not enough to make it a true victory and that is an intrinsic part of what is missing from the endings-there is no true victory.

The compromise I suggested would not touch or disturb the endings that some other people like now-that was the whole thing that bothered dragoon-he continually said it would ruin the game for him if there was some new ending. Pardon me if I sense hypocrisy here. 

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dragoon where in this thread have you seen someone demand a conventional victory?

It has been said multiple times in this thread that to some people here conventional or unconventional victory is the only thing they will accept. That is not compromise. My suggestion like 30 or so pages back suggested actual compromise that gives three out of the four major things people have asked for in a way that won't undermine Biowares story they wished to tell. Like I said some people in here do not grasp the concept of compromise or know what "middle ground" is.

Since you like posing questions here's one for you and for 3D. If they gave a reunion via one additional cutscene on the destroy ending, if they gave another Harbinger confrontation in another pre-endgame DLC and if they gave a more emotional set of cutscenes for the refuse ending even though still ends in loss (to keep their story wished to tell intact) would you accept that and be done with your complaining or in reality would nothing other than conventional or unconventional victory be acceptable to you two? Because my suggestion had all of those things except the last one yet was dismissed and thrown out the window .

I know this isn't addressed to me, but it looks like I missed a show this afternoon. What I bolded and underlined is the only dog I have in this fight. I get that and I'm good.

I still may point out other weaknesses in the game and the ending from a literary standpoint, but from a replay standpoint and from a "will I purchase DLC for the game" standpoint I'm good then.

+1

[3DandBeyond]

I see no reason for BW to pay money to create DLC to give further context to a losing refuse ending. Most people totally dislike it because you have no chance to win.

The one scene reunion was something we've been begging for all along-that's not a new request.

The idea of adding this all to Omega along with some unspecified thrown in confrontation with Harbinger for no particular reason seems off as well.  It would make Omega bigger in order to add to the destroy ending, to add extraneous content to the refuse ending and to add some disagreement with Harbinger that many people don't want.  And It would make Omega smaller for no reason.  Harbinger isn't related to Omega at all.

It would make more sense if there was some real meaty content involving Harbinger relating to any Citadel DLC there might be, because at least it would be related perhaps.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 11 septembre 2012 - 01:30 .

[pgcis136]

Bioware's response is predictable, there will be no reunion.
Your continued resistance to the this truth is futile, like dust against a cosmic wind. All protest is irrelevent, software company lifespans are measured in years, decades. We are consumers, and we are infinite. The cycle of buying and selling will continue; supirior endings are inevitable. The weak companies will fail, and fall to the harvest.
Releasing control of this thread.

[Iakus]

pgcis136 wrote...

Bioware's response is predictable, there will be no reunion.
Your continued resistance to the this truth is futile, like dust against a cosmic wind. All protest is irrelevent, software company lifespans are measured in years, decades. We are consumers, and we are infinite. The cycle of buying and selling will continue; supirior endings are inevitable. The weak companies will fail, and fall to the harvest.
Releasing control of this thread.

Maybe you're right.  Maybe we can't win this.  But we'll debate on regardless.  Just like we did with Planet Plothole.  Just like we're doing now.  Hoeverver insignificant we might be, we will beg, we will mod, and we will find a way.  that's what gamers do.

[3DandBeyond]

pgcis136 wrote...

Bioware's response is predictable, there will be no reunion.
Your continued resistance to the this truth is futile, like dust against a cosmic wind. All protest is irrelevent, software company lifespans are measured in years, decades. We are consumers, and we are infinite. The cycle of buying and selling will continue; supirior endings are inevitable. The weak companies will fail, and fall to the harvest.
Releasing control of this thread.

But I wish for the game to be preserved, ascended.  Please! 

However much I'd like at least one reunion scene this was never only about that.  A lot of people don't care about that.  I do, but a lot of people also want to feel like they've won something, achieved victory.  A destroy kill your friends and Shepard can live ending seems very selfish to me.  It's not the only important thing-it is the main thing, but it shouldn't be done at the sacrifice of being truly and authentically Shepard.

Shepard wouldn't do that just so that s/he could live and to me that ends up being a cheap way out and it's unfair to suggest that is the only way seeing as for many it is still committing genocide, but this time it's not caring about all that as long as Shepard lives.  That Shepard might still have a face and be able to look Joker in the eye (while the torso can't), but that Shepard that killed EDI never could look Joker in the eye.  And again, I'm not asking BW to tack on a simplistic ending for free-an ending that others may not like since they are happy with what they now have.

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I see no reason for BW to pay money to create DLC to give further context to a losing refuse ending. Most people totally dislike it because you have no chance to win.

The one scene reunion was something we've been begging for all along-that's not a new request.

The idea of adding this all to Omega along with some unspecified thrown in confrontation with Harbinger for no particular reason seems off as well.  It would make Omega bigger in order to add to the destroy ending, to add extraneous content to the refuse ending and to add some disagreement with Harbinger that many people don't want.  And It would make Omega smaller for no reason.  Harbinger isn't related to Omega at all.

It would make more sense if there was some real meaty content involving Harbinger relating to any Citadel DLC there might be, because at least it would be related perhaps.

The difference is my suggestions do not undermine the writers intent or change Bioware's story they wished to tell. Mine is a thousand times more likely to happen than yours. Sacrificing one thing to gain the other three seems like a fair trade off that Bioware might consider while yours has almost no chance especially given yours requires support from others and the only way many of us will offer support is if your willing to give up on that one element to gain the other three.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 septembre 2012 - 01:43 .

[AresKeith]

3DandBeyond wrote...

pgcis136 wrote...

Bioware's response is predictable, there will be no reunion.
Your continued resistance to the this truth is futile, like dust against a cosmic wind. All protest is irrelevent, software company lifespans are measured in years, decades. We are consumers, and we are infinite. The cycle of buying and selling will continue; supirior endings are inevitable. The weak companies will fail, and fall to the harvest.
Releasing control of this thread.

But I wish for the game to be preserved, ascended.  Please! 

However much I'd like at least one reunion scene this was never only about that.  A lot of people don't care about that.  I do, but a lot of people also want to feel like they've won something, achieved victory.  A destroy kill your friends and Shepard can live ending seems very selfish to me.  It's not the only important thing-it is the main thing, but it shouldn't be done at the sacrifice of being truly and authentically Shepard.

Shepard wouldn't do that just so that s/he could live and to me that ends up being a cheap way out and it's unfair to suggest that is the only way seeing as for many it is still committing genocide, but this time it's not caring about all that as long as Shepard lives.  That Shepard might still have a face and be able to look Joker in the eye (while the torso can't), but that Shepard that killed EDI never could look Joker in the eye.  And again, I'm not asking BW to tack on a simplistic ending for free-an ending that others may not like since they are happy with what they now have.

I wouldn't really be surprised if Bioware was really planning something with their DLCs

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I see no reason for BW to pay money to create DLC to give further context to a losing refuse ending. Most people totally dislike it because you have no chance to win.

The one scene reunion was something we've been begging for all along-that's not a new request.

The idea of adding this all to Omega along with some unspecified thrown in confrontation with Harbinger for no particular reason seems off as well.  It would make Omega bigger in order to add to the destroy ending, to add extraneous content to the refuse ending and to add some disagreement with Harbinger that many people don't want.  And It would make Omega smaller for no reason.  Harbinger isn't related to Omega at all.

It would make more sense if there was some real meaty content involving Harbinger relating to any Citadel DLC there might be, because at least it would be related perhaps.

The difference is my suggestions do not undermine the writers intent or change Bioware's story they wished to tell. Mine is a thousand times more likely to happen than yours. Sacrificing one thing to gain the other three seems like a fair trade off that Bioware might consider while yours has almost no chance especially given yours requires support from others and the only way many of us will offer support is if your willing to give up on that one element to gain the other three.

even though her suggestion and yours are basically the samething but you added show scenes of us losing in Refuse

[Warrior Craess]

3DandBeyond wrote...

I see no reason for BW to pay money to create DLC to give further context to a losing refuse ending. Most people totally dislike it because you have no chance to win.

The one scene reunion was something we've been begging for all along-that's not a new request.

The idea of adding this all to Omega along with some unspecified thrown in confrontation with Harbinger for no particular reason seems off as well.  It would make Omega bigger in order to add to the destroy ending, to add extraneous content to the refuse ending and to add some disagreement with Harbinger that many people don't want.  And It would make Omega smaller for no reason.  Harbinger isn't related to Omega at all.

It would make more sense if there was some real meaty content involving Harbinger relating to any Citadel DLC there might be, because at least it would be related perhaps.

Yeah, bringing harbinger to Omega would be more bad story telling. Adding the reunion slide would be nice, Maybe even have the re-union there. 

A destroy win with out destroying the Geth and EDI would be nice, of course, but what content would be used to allow for it?  Personally I'd love to see a Citadel escape DLC. This way you could play as Liara's Mom, or Bailey, or maybe even Mouse (or any other vent rat). In the process of escaping you need to manipulate various parts of the citadel's tech... 

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I see no reason for BW to pay money to create DLC to give further context to a losing refuse ending. Most people totally dislike it because you have no chance to win.

The one scene reunion was something we've been begging for all along-that's not a new request.

The idea of adding this all to Omega along with some unspecified thrown in confrontation with Harbinger for no particular reason seems off as well.  It would make Omega bigger in order to add to the destroy ending, to add extraneous content to the refuse ending and to add some disagreement with Harbinger that many people don't want.  And It would make Omega smaller for no reason.  Harbinger isn't related to Omega at all.

It would make more sense if there was some real meaty content involving Harbinger relating to any Citadel DLC there might be, because at least it would be related perhaps.

The difference is my suggestions do not undermine the writers intent or change Bioware's story they wished to tell. Mine is a thousand times more likely to happen than yours. Sacrificing one thing to gain the other three seems like a fair trade off that Bioware might consider while yours has almost no chance especially given yours requires support from others and the only way many of us will offer support is if your willing to give up on that one element to gain the other three.

Your so-called suggestions were already repeatedly stated in this thread and elsewhere and you personally attacked me and anyone else who suggested them-the reunion scene.  Now suddenly that's your idea?  Wow.

I have no idea what you are talking about when you keep asserting that what I am asking for is a conventional victory and that is a lie.

I have in fact repeatedly suggested many things and never said I wanted a conventional victory and nothing else.  You on the other hand have never read my OP or you would know that.  You have repeatedly come here to insult and to tell me that you don't like it because it would change the endings people have that they like.  Well, I and others also have suggested a reunion cutscene many many times, but you ignored that and so as I said I came up with something that would not change their game or yours.  Now, all of a sudden you agree with me that a reunion cutscene would be fine and act like I never said that.  Again, a lie. 

I also feel it would be a waste of BW's resources to add content to the refuse ending just to make people more aware they can't win.  Why would anyone want more of a reminder that they will lose in refuse?  People didn't want to see their assets all fight in choosing refuse just to know they will always lose.

These 2 things also change the endings that people have-something you repeatedly accused me of doing and which was the reason you said BW would never do it.  However, I came up with other solutions that would not change the endings for people that like them.

And you have not suggested what if anything would be done by throwing Harbinger into the mix in Omega DLC.

You just seem to throw a lot of stuff together and then steal other ideas and suddenly want me to congratulate you for being so magnanimous in suggesting something many have already suggested-things you insulted them for suggesting.

Need I remind you that you called me selfish because you said I wanted to change endings for people that liked them-something that was again a lie.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 11 septembre 2012 - 02:00 .

[Hydralysk]

How the hell does this thread keep getting bigger?

[Iakus]

Hydralysk wrote...

How the hell does this thread keep getting bigger?

It's something people have an interest in.

[Dragoonlordz]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I see no reason for BW to pay money to create DLC to give further context to a losing refuse ending. Most people totally dislike it because you have no chance to win.

The one scene reunion was something we've been begging for all along-that's not a new request.

The idea of adding this all to Omega along with some unspecified thrown in confrontation with Harbinger for no particular reason seems off as well.  It would make Omega bigger in order to add to the destroy ending, to add extraneous content to the refuse ending and to add some disagreement with Harbinger that many people don't want.  And It would make Omega smaller for no reason.  Harbinger isn't related to Omega at all.

It would make more sense if there was some real meaty content involving Harbinger relating to any Citadel DLC there might be, because at least it would be related perhaps.

The difference is my suggestions do not undermine the writers intent or change Bioware's story they wished to tell. Mine is a thousand times more likely to happen than yours. Sacrificing one thing to gain the other three seems like a fair trade off that Bioware might consider while yours has almost no chance especially given yours requires support from others and the only way many of us will offer support is if your willing to give up on that one element to gain the other three.

even though her suggestion and yours are basically the samething but you added show scenes of us losing in Refuse

She wants all these things but also a conventional or unconventional victory. I will never support any DLC that is relating to that and neither will vast amounts of others as shown with every single thread relating to it erupting into bickering and going nowhere. If drop the Cvic or Uvic everything else stands a better chance.

[AresKeith]

Hydralysk wrote...

How the hell does this thread keep getting bigger?

it is something you cannot comprehend lol

[Ithurael]

Hydralysk wrote...

How the hell does this thread keep getting bigger?

LOL I know I was thinking that exact thing.

A lot of good topics though. 3D rocks!!:wizard:

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

She wants all these things but also a conventional or unconventional victory. I will never support any DLC that is relating to that and neither will vast amounts of others as shown with every single thread relating to it erupting into bickering and going nowhere. If drop the Cvic or Uvic everything else stands a better chance.

then you obviously haven't read her OP or paid full attention to the comments, she never suggested conventional or unconventional victory in this thread

[3DandBeyond]

Warrior Craess wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

I see no reason for BW to pay money to create DLC to give further context to a losing refuse ending. Most people totally dislike it because you have no chance to win.

The one scene reunion was something we've been begging for all along-that's not a new request.

The idea of adding this all to Omega along with some unspecified thrown in confrontation with Harbinger for no particular reason seems off as well.  It would make Omega bigger in order to add to the destroy ending, to add extraneous content to the refuse ending and to add some disagreement with Harbinger that many people don't want.  And It would make Omega smaller for no reason.  Harbinger isn't related to Omega at all.

It would make more sense if there was some real meaty content involving Harbinger relating to any Citadel DLC there might be, because at least it would be related perhaps.

Yeah, bringing harbinger to Omega would be more bad story telling. Adding the reunion slide would be nice, Maybe even have the re-union there. 

A destroy win with out destroying the Geth and EDI would be nice, of course, but what content would be used to allow for it?  Personally I'd love to see a Citadel escape DLC. This way you could play as Liara's Mom, or Bailey, or maybe even Mouse (or any other vent rat). In the process of escaping you need to manipulate various parts of the citadel's tech... 

Yes, I agree adding the reunion slide would be nice, but that was always what a great many people wanted at least.  For many that would feel hollow though if done just because-and not along with some real good feelings about winning.  To be sure I'd want it and many of us have stated that repeatedly here and then we end up getting told that all we have demanded is a conventional victory-that ticks me off because that's a lie.

I don't think just throwing Harbinger out there with no clue as to what and how he would be used makes not sense-and it has no real bearing on this thread.  It could be requested along with Citadel requests, but not for the primary reason of this thread. 

And again, adding crap to refuse just to be able to lose more when the ending seems to fully explain that you lost, is just a money waster.

[3DandBeyond]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

She wants all these things but also a conventional or unconventional victory. I will never support any DLC that is relating to that and neither will vast amounts of others as shown with every single thread relating to it erupting into bickering and going nowhere. If drop the Cvic or Uvic everything else stands a better chance.

then you obviously haven't read her OP or paid full attention to the comments, she never suggested conventional or unconventional victory in this thread

See, dragoon's got something stuck in his programming.  I have never advocated that (conventional/unconventional victory) as even any real request.  I have repeatedly said that doing that would require a lot of work from BW that would be way more expensive.  I sure wouldn't hate it if they did it, but I know it would cost a lot, take a lot of time, and would require them to change a lot.  For those reasons, that has never been my main request ever. 

I even have my own thread and a link to it in my tagline as for how BW could create an ending using minimal resources and with parts added on in each DLC.  But, I've also suggested DLC for a true real destroy ending where the crucible is fully intact that targets only the reapers, does not kill EDI or the Geth and where Shepard can live-optional DLC for pay.  And within this DLC, it would be hard to get that ending and could result in you getting a very bad ending where everything could be destroyed-similar to a low EMS destroy.  The point would be to find some assets that fix the targeting on the crucible, but that are hard to get.  This is one possibility.  The content would not be something people would have to play, and it could be avoided even if you bought it if you don't open a certain message on the ingame terminal.  And I also hoped it would show an authentic aftermath-a real outcome of what the galaxy would be like and of the hope to come after.

What I have also said in this thread is that if I had unlimited money and owned BW or if I was able to make the decisions, then I'd want the moon, I'd support all kinds of DLC so there's fun for everyone.  And I'd be inclusive and not exclude anyone.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 11 septembre 2012 - 02:15 .

[Isz Niv]

Who knows what the future has in store. Mass Effect 3 marks the end of a trilogy. As with most trilogy's, there is a huge span between it and the next cycle. So it would seem Bioware is going to take advantage of hungry fans and milk off of the ME3 fan base for as long as we continue to express our deepest desires.

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Snip

So much hyperbole in that nonsense, I sure hope you don't expect me to take you seriously anymore. Firstly I did not say was opposed to reunion scenes, secondly I never insulted you (other than just now potentially for saying you used hyperbole though when you call me a liar you don't get to play the innocent card). Thirdly how do you get refuse = win without Cvic or Uvic? Now you can argue symantics till end of time but in order to get refuse = win you have to do so via conventional or unconventional means.

I said that is one thing you stand almost no chance of ever getting but the others are more possible (imho). When questioned you earlier and asked you if all other DLCs were granted would you be happy with that, or not until you got your Cvic or Uvic. You left a rather bloated message which came down to no you would not be happy unless got your refuse = win via (Cvic or Uvic which is the only way possible).

I did give a good enough description of how could work with Omega DLC as example. You sure like hyperbole though, I never stole anyone's ideas, I never required or asked you to be thankful of anything I ever wrote and I never insulted all these people you claim I did. If you think me saying DLC made for specific groups is a more selfish than DLC made for all or as selfish as someone asking for one DLC to be made for them which takes time and money away from DLC another wants, if you consider that a direct insult to you then what your doing is called making mountains out of molehills.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 11 septembre 2012 - 02:28 .