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[Fiannawolf]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Is it wrong to want proper ending for Shepard ?

No dear Awesome Pie one, its not, at some level, no matter which side of the ending fence people are on we all want more for Shepard.


Just got back from work...loooong day. Been catching up....

Devil's advocate moment:
Thing is who's middle ground can we approach from? People content with the ending? Peeps still upset? No Starkid please group, and on and on? Which fan set has the most valid middle ground compromise? These questions are harder to answer.

Still based on Leviathan Bioware did listen to some feedback:

Squad Banter, More ME1 references, some LI stuff.

Thing is: how much of our feedback and/or desires are really taken into account? Oh to be a fly on the wall in the dev studios....

Give my Shep a reason to close the curtain for real retirement so I can have some hope for ME4. If that ever happens.

You can even incorporate the Crucible into a High EMS Refusal option. Its the big magical mcguffin, it
can do whatever it wants.

[3DandBeyond]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Dee, I think Seival was mad earlier because soon your thread will exceed his ending support threads in posts.

Uh oh, tomorrow might be bad. 

Ok, back on topic.  Just considering that it might be possible to add on content to make a great group of people come back and to make the game fun again for people that feel they've got an incomplete game right now.  Not everyone does and some are happy with what they now have-that's fine.  A lot of people aren't and the goal is to not ruin one group's experience while trying to better another group's experience, and making as many people as possible happy enough.

[webhead921]

Hey, 3D, now that I've read a bit more of your thread, I can understand where you are coming from. I may not entirely agree (since I am a fan of the extended cut), but I am always in support of more ME content. I can definitely understand your passion for the series. I feel the same way. And even though I am okay with where things are now, I am always open to more quality content. Why limit your options?

[AresKeith]

webhead921 wrote...

Hey, 3D, now that I've read a bit more of your thread, I can understand where you are coming from. I may not entirely agree (since I am a fan of the extended cut), but I am always in support of more ME content. I can definitely understand your passion for the series. I feel the same way. And even though I am okay with where things are now, I am always open to more quality content. Why limit your options?

because she doesn't wanna take anything away from the people who already likes the ending

[Conniving_Eagle]

webhead921 wrote...

Hey, 3D, now that I've read a bit more of your thread, I can understand where you are coming from. I may not entirely agree (since I am a fan of the extended cut), but I am always in support of more ME content. I can definitely understand your passion for the series. I feel the same way. And even though I am okay with where things are now, I am always open to more quality content. Why limit your options?

Finally, another post like this.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:27 .

[webhead921]

I appreciate the OP's ideas a lot more than I have appreciated other threads because 3D is asking for more without undermining what is already there, and without insulting those who like the extended cut.

[3DandBeyond]

webhead921 wrote...

Hey, 3D, now that I've read a bit more of your thread, I can understand where you are coming from. I may not entirely agree (since I am a fan of the extended cut), but I am always in support of more ME content. I can definitely understand your passion for the series. I feel the same way. And even though I am okay with where things are now, I am always open to more quality content. Why limit your options?

Exactly.  I think the more people that like what I like the better.  And if the roles were reversed, I'd be unhappy to see people not enjoying the game I like, especially when I know how much we agree and love the series and the characters.  I don't agree so much with IT (not because I don't see why it's believable), but it would be fun to have DLC about it and why not?  I am not saying that synthesis and control wouldn't be fun to explore, but in the absence of what I think was something a lot of people wanted all the endings just make a lot of people sad.

I've also said that people should take a look at all that stuff in the codex and just see what could be drawn from for more stories.  The unused relays, Joab, the beings of light, and so on.  But, to do that you need as many people as possible getting in on the mix.  And pre-ending DLC can only take you so far.

[AresKeith]

webhead921 wrote...

I appreciate the OP's ideas a lot more than I have appreciated other threads because 3D is asking for more without undermining what is already there, and without insulting those who like the extended cut.

we basically wanna have some enjoyment from the endings like the others who liked the EC

[Fiannawolf]

I liked some of the added/altered content with the EC, mainly the speeches and LI stuff but still desire more emotional closure. Its sad when I feel that DA Origins was the last Bioware game to give me complete closure and then Awakenings gave me a generous 2ed helping of awesome.

Welcome to the thread Webhead

In agreement of one important thing: Moar Sheppy plz! XD

Edit: Cant spell right after work

Modifié par Fiannawolf, 11 septembre 2012 - 03:39 .

[3DandBeyond]

webhead921 wrote...

I appreciate the OP's ideas a lot more than I have appreciated other threads because 3D is asking for more without undermining what is already there, and without insulting those who like the extended cut.

I so appreciate your words, but I have to be honest here.  I've not lacked for being argumentative, but I am right now in a place where I'm not telling anyone to like and want what I want, and to stop liking something they do like.

Actually, I've always believed everyone should have and has a right to their own opinion.  But I have argued.  We have different tastes-I think that is what's best, it's diversity.

Right now though I just want everyone to get a bit of something so that as many people as possible can enjoy it all.  It isn't healthy for us or for the game to just tell everyone else who disagrees to go away.  More DLC can be potentially fun for all and more future ME and ME type games as well.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Pink: Mass Effect 3

Purple: Anti-Ender

Tie: Pro-Ender

This is what popped into my head when I saw this, pretty funny.

[Jadebaby]

love that this thread is still going, since going 3D! =D

[Iakus]

webhead921 wrote...

I appreciate the OP's ideas a lot more than I have appreciated other threads because 3D is asking for more without undermining what is already there, and without insulting those who like the extended cut.

That's the thing about games with multiple endings, it should cover a broader spectrum of players.

The current endings leave too many people out in the cold.

[webhead921]

I personally am ok with the endings after the Ed, but I acknowledge that many fans do not feel the same way. I am not opposed to additional content. I have the endings for my shepards. If we have new content, I can always make a new Shepard to incorporate that new content, while leaving my other shepards alone

[Zan51]

I'm still here, 200% behind this thread, just caught up on new posts. I really do take exception to us here being called "haters" and "deniers".

I do not hate ME3 In fact, because i love the ME games so much, I am here, wanting more than the mediocrity that we were given in the endings. It is not wrong by any definition of the word to want the best for the endings, for the game to actually meet the potential it showed up until the endings. It is not wrong or selfish to want it to make sense to us. So some of you here are happy with what you have, as 3D and others have said, I am pleased for you. I want that same feeling in a way that will not detract from what you have.

I try to be the best that I can at any task I take on whether in private or working life. Why should I accept less than that from anyone else, especially a company that sells entertainment like Bioware? They should also have the same goals as me and many of you here, to do the best we can in everything we do. That's all I am asking - to please look at the endings again, and consider that not everyone wants a dark and bleak ending for something they have spent so much time and money and invested in emotionally, as you hoped we would.

[Archonsg]

 @webhead921

That is just it. ME3 plays best if your Shepard died in ME2. Seriously. It is the only way how the "Protagonist" acts in ME3 makes sense. Following events, picking up the pieces that the original "lets be an **** and get everyone killed... Whoops me too" Shepard left behind, and not coping too well with the mess.

I have mentioned before, how "renegade-ish", how almost everything my Paragon did didn't matter and realized that if I had played my "jackass renegade" or my "ruthless do anything to win" Shepard then, at least most of ME3 makes sense and even choosing control or destroy would too, assuming that you can accept your Shepard as the Shepard depicted with soul and spirit broken.

Or accept Refusal and writer's direction for an arbitrary loss.

It certainly did not, during those last 10 mins, even though the EC did address some issues, felt like it was for the Shepard I know, the one who fought impossible odds, who never said die, never surrendered and most importantly never gave up on his principles and belief in doing the right thing.
He would never have betrayed a trust of friendship.

Which only leaves the "Refusal" option, as the option for me and *my* Shepard.
And we know just how "rewarding" Refusal is.

Is asking for a REFUSAL Victory based on the highest possible Assets gained, not EMS mind you but actual assets that requires the player to have played at least one prior installment, if not both, and to actively do ALL quests as well as find most if not all of the "uncharted world" assets asking too much? Hell, I'd pay as much as $30.00 to salvage ME3 as is, or $90.00 -$120.00 for a ME3 reboot.
All just for a refusal victory / Shepard lives / LI reunion / actual effort to animate Tali's face.

[Oransel]

Archonsg wrote...

 @webhead921

That is just it. ME3 plays best if your Shepard died in ME2. Seriously. It is the only way how the "Protagonist" acts in ME3 makes sense. Following events, picking up the pieces that the original "lets be an **** and get everyone killed... Whoops me too" Shepard left behind, and not coping too well with the mess.

I have mentioned before, how "renegade-ish", how almost everything my Paragon did didn't matter and realized that if I had played my "jackass renegade" or my "ruthless do anything to win" Shepard then, at least most of ME3 makes sense and even choosing control or destroy would too, assuming that you can accept your Shepard as the Shepard depicted with soul and spirit broken.

Or accept Refusal and writer's direction for an arbitrary loss.

It certainly did not, during those last 10 mins, even though the EC did address some issues, felt like it was for the Shepard I know, the one who fought impossible odds, who never said die, never surrendered and most importantly never gave up on his principles and belief in doing the right thing.
He would never have betrayed a trust of friendship.

Which only leaves the "Refusal" option, as the option for me and *my* Shepard.
And we know just how "rewarding" Refusal is.

Is asking for a REFUSAL Victory based on the highest possible Assets gained, not EMS mind you but actual assets that requires the player to have played at least one prior installment, if not both, and to actively do ALL quests as well as find most if not all of the "uncharted world" assets asking too much? Hell, I'd pay as much as $30.00 to salvage ME3 as is, or $90.00 -$120.00 for a ME3 reboot.
All just for a refusal victory / Shepard lives / LI reunion / actual effort to animate Tali's face.

This. If there were no Crucible in game, I'd pay 100$ for reboot.

[darkway1]

You know what's gonna happen don't you........mass4,Shepards alive........why?how?........because the fans demanded it,they'll quote.......product sells it's self,easy money.

[Archonsg]

@darkway1

No, that would not work. ME3 should be Shepard 's last appearance, but he or she should exit the stage with his head held high, with dignity. That he, against all predictions and "conventional wisdom"  that said that the Reapers could not be beat, that it was impossible to unite the Galaxy, that organics and synthetics could not find a common ground, found a way.

That the soul is more then just a concept, it is real regardless of origin and that slavery no matter the form, be it forced conformity, or indentured servitude is something to fight against.

ME4, can start 200-500 years AFTER the events of ME3 (except Synthesis ending, yeah, you guys are screwed) and it doesn't matter what you choose, the Mass Effect universe and story can carry on building on ME3's legacy.

Ps edited for spelling mistakes / formating. BSN hates smartphones.
Also, pro-alt enders are called "haters" / "whiners" ignoring the fact that we are offering to BUY our alternate ending DLCs. You don't hate something you are willing to pay for to make things right

As for whining, well, reading the responses from the "anti-change" people, who have yet to argue a logical reason why BW shouldn't make an alt ending dlc, whose arguments essentially boils down to "they shouldn't, so there!", I think fits the bill of "whining" better.

Modifié par Archonsg, 11 septembre 2012 - 11:38 .

[Ieldra]

Archonsg wrote...
Is asking for a REFUSAL Victory [...] asking too much?

Yes. Because it was the point of the ending that you had to compromise your principles. I can agree, to some degree, with the wish to extend the Shepard-lives scene into something that feels more real, but add any ending where you win and don't need to compromise your principles and the whole ending scenario will be undermined.

Unless they add a downside on par with the death of the synthetics in Destroy. And then, what's the point? You might as well choose Destroy.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 septembre 2012 - 12:07 .

[wright1978]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Archonsg wrote...
Is asking for a REFUSAL Victory [...] asking too much?

Yes. Because it was the point of the ending that you had to compromise your principles. I can agree, to some degree, with the wish to extend the Shepard-lives scene into something that feels more real, but add any ending where you win and don't need to compromise your principles and the whole ending scenario will be undermined.

Unless they add a downside on par with the death of the synthetics in Destroy. And then, what's the point? You might as well choose Destroy.

I want an extension of Shep lives and i'd be happy with a refusal victory as long as there was the massive balancing sacrifice which would no doubt make it undesirable to many of the refuse win advocates. Otherwise as Ieldra says the entire ending scenario will be undermined.

[3DandBeyond]

Archonsg wrote...

@darkway1

No, that would not work. ME3 should be Shepard 's last appearance, but he or she should exit the stage with his head held high, with dignity. That he, against all predictions and "conventional wisdom"  that said that the Reapers could not be beat, that it was impossible to unite the Galaxy, that organics and synthetics could not find a common ground, found a way.

That the soul is more then just a concept, it is real regardless of origin and that slavery no matter the form, be it forced conformity, or indentured servitude is something to fight against.

ME4, can start 200-500 years AFTER the events of ME3 (except Synthesis ending, yeah, you guys are screwed) and it doesn't matter what you choose, the Mass Effect universe and story can carry on building on ME3's legacy.

Ps edited for spelling mistakes / formating. BSN hates smartphones.
Also, pro-alt enders are called "haters" / "whiners" ignoring the fact that we are offering to BUY our alternate ending DLCs. You don't hate something you are willing to pay for to make things right

As for whining, well, reading the responses from the "anti-change" people, who have yet to argue a logical reason why BW shouldn't make an alt ending dlc, whose arguments essentially boils down to "they shouldn't, so there!", I think fits the bill of "whining" better.

Well this is so much the point for many of us and I am heartened that one pro-ender did come here and see that there's value in offering alternate content.  It appeals to those with nothing to like so much right now and it would even appeal to others who do like what they have and might wish to play it a different way.

So thank you @webhead921, for understanding and not just assuming what has been said here.  It takes real character to enter into a thread and look and see what is meant within it and to not just think it's all been said before.

As for the renegade/paragon bent of the game.  This is a real interesting issue.  It's something that I've tried to look at before and so I tried an experiment.  I created a brand new ME3 standalone Shepard.  Totally a paragon-spacer, war hero.  I put the game on story mode-so action was light.  Then I put it on "no decisions".  Every choice made in the game up to the point I played which was past Menae, was renegade.  I even got renegade interrupts that I never got before with characters with renegade points.

I played another previously created Paragon Shepard further in the game-reset it to "no decisions".  And there's a scene just before Cronos where Liara (Shepard's LI) talks to Shepard and they can have sex depending on what you choose at the end.  Every single decision in that scene (made by the game and not me) was the renegade one, including the last one where Shepard says she needs to be alone.  I played this one scene multiple times to see if it was a random thing that would change and every time I played it it chose the renegade options.

I tried in other places and it did the same thing-it was like my Shepard was all of a sudden arguing with everyone.

The point here is if I put the game on "no decisions" and have a full paragon Shepard I get renegade options I couldn't get even if I tried.  It's like someone created the game wanting you to be the nastiest, most selfish person possible.  I thought it would be a random thing.  Or maybe my game is just possessed.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 11 septembre 2012 - 12:13 .

[Hrothdane]

As far as I'm concerned, I don't see a problem with "undermining" the ending in such a way.

[Ieldra]

Hrothdane wrote...
As far as I'm concerned, I don't see a problem with "undermining" the ending in such a way.

And I do. It would be the worst decision they could make from my POV.

Which underscores my point: giving 3DAndBeyond and those who think like her what they want is likely to ****** off - and I mean *really*, epically ****** off - quite a few other players. It isn't just adding something to get a specific group on board. It would change the whole scenario.

Again, unless they add a downside that is felt as significant by the players. And then, what's the point?

Modifié par Ieldra2, 11 septembre 2012 - 12:25 .

[Ozida]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Hrothdane wrote...
As far as I'm concerned, I don't see a problem with "undermining" the ending in such a way.

And I do. It would be the worst decision they could make from my POV.

Which underscores my point: giving 3DAndBeyond and those who think like her what they want is likely to ****** off - and I mean *really*, epically ****** off - quite a few other players. It isn't just adding something to get a specific group on board. It would change the whole scenario.

Again, unless they add a downside that is felt as significant by the players. And then, what's the point?

Excue me, but how would it ****** of people if it would be optional? Don't like it, don't get it! I for one did buy Levi. DLC, but it doesn't "****** me off" if others did. I don't see your point at all.