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[3DandBeyond]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Only the player can turn Shepard into a tragic hero through sacrifice in Control or Synthesis. Otherwise Shepard is the Phoenix.

Exactly, even before Redemption and From Ashes and all, that scene from ME1 was totally of the Phoenix rising.  And project lazarus was literally the Phoenix rising.

And every character in the dang game was given redemption.  There is nothing tragic in this game until you see ME3.  If they wanted to show tragic they truly would have gotten us involved in the geth quarian war-you can give Rannoch back to both the geth and the quarians.  Sad and all, but truly a wonderful way to be able to end that chapter.  And it would be so nice if you could leave the game and this time period with the knowledge that they got it right, finally.  Without green eyes and reapers flying overhead to enforce it.

[Jawsomebob]

Mac Walters listen to this song and write an ending that feels like this song please:

Modifié par Jawsomebob, 11 septembre 2012 - 08:27 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Jawsomebob wrote...

Mac Walters listen to this song and write an ending that feels like this song please:

No. Do not ask 50 Cent to compose classical.

[Iakus]

Archonsg wrote...

Getting Conrad to "take control"?
Shepard Cosplaying Reapers. I can see it now.

Tossing him into the beam though, is a really, really bad idea.
Shepard : "Are you saying I have parts of Conrad inside me?!"
Liara : "Yes, Synthesis did that, spread his DNA to every single matter in the galaxy."
Shepard : "I feel like I need a bath. How is that even possible?"
Liara : "We all have part of him inside us, Wrex, Garrus, Tali, even ... me."
Shepard : "NOT HELPING LIARA. Now I need mental soap to wash that image off."

He would however do great in Destroy though.
Shepard : "Okay Conrad, now remember, shoot the tube AFTER you see me and the Normandy jump out of Earth space. You got that?"
Conrad : "And I'll be a real hero like you?"
Shepard : "Yeah, as Zaeed would say, a big goddamn hero."
Conrad : "Hot dogity! .... You aren't just saying that now are you?"
Shepard : "No Conrad, you will be remembered and they will teach about you in schools..."
Conrad : "Wowwwwww ... in schools ... Okay. Shoot the tube when I see the Normandy jump out. Got it."

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...


How do you figure.

Shepard does not fall into the tragic hero mould of Macbeth, Brutus, Achilles, Oedipus, Hamlet, Lear, William Wallace, Yuri Zhivago.  Shepard actually has more in common with the likes of John McClane (Die Hard), John Matrix (Commando), Douglas Quaid (Total Recall 1990), Dutch (Predator 1987), Captain John Sheridan (Babylon 5 -- see Sheridan death and resurrection -- I'll explain this), Jean-Luc Picard (Star Trek TNG -- death and resurrection). Mostly a combination of John Matrix and John Sheridan.

The last two mentioned specifically to serve as examples for the Phoenix myth. Sheridan died in one episode where he met the last of the First Ones and was given a second life. Now the Phoenix myth either give 1) immortality or 2) a life of the same length as one lived already. And in Sheridan's case that meant he would live to 66.

In Shepard case that would mean she would live to 66 as well (due to her death in ME2 and project Lazarus). You follow me? Shepard cannot die in the rubble and be consistent with the myth.

Picard lost his heart in a fight. It was ripped out, and it was replaced by an artificial heart. Death and resurrection, and Picard went on to become a hero. Q showed Picard what would have happened if he avoided that event. A dull life as a technician. The Phoenix myth.

Only the player can turn Shepard into a tragic hero through sacrifice in Control or Synthesis. Otherwise Shepard is the Phoenix.

The player can turn SHepard into a tragic hero through gameplay.  A SHepard who is careless or makes mistakes and gets people killed can earn redemption through self-sacrifice through any of the endings.  Mordin ("I MADE A MISTAKE!") Solus, is an example.  He sacrifices himself in atonement for his work on the genophage.  TIM may also be seen as a tragic hero.  He tried to fight the Reapers his own way, and it all went horribly wrong.  In the end, he can be convinced to kill himself to stop being a tool of the Reapers (Same fro Saren, in a way)

But Shepard, if played a certain way, is, as you said, an action hero.  An implacable foe who, as Liara puts it "You suceed against odds most people wouldn't even take on"  To force such a character into an ending designed fro a tragic hero causes much dissonance.  Its it any wonder the endings are so unsatisfactory?

[3DandBeyond]

Jawsomebob wrote...

Mac Walters listen to this song and write an ending that feels like this song please:

That was great.

[Redbelle]

iakus wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Getting Conrad to "take control"?
Shepard Cosplaying Reapers. I can see it now.

Tossing him into the beam though, is a really, really bad idea.
Shepard : "Are you saying I have parts of Conrad inside me?!"
Liara : "Yes, Synthesis did that, spread his DNA to every single matter in the galaxy."
Shepard : "I feel like I need a bath. How is that even possible?"
Liara : "We all have part of him inside us, Wrex, Garrus, Tali, even ... me."
Shepard : "NOT HELPING LIARA. Now I need mental soap to wash that image off."

He would however do great in Destroy though.
Shepard : "Okay Conrad, now remember, shoot the tube AFTER you see me and the Normandy jump out of Earth space. You got that?"
Conrad : "And I'll be a real hero like you?"
Shepard : "Yeah, as Zaeed would say, a big goddamn hero."
Conrad : "Hot dogity! .... You aren't just saying that now are you?"
Shepard : "No Conrad, you will be remembered and they will teach about you in schools..."
Conrad : "Wowwwwww ... in schools ... Okay. Shoot the tube when I see the Normandy jump out. Got it."

I love that clip

But maybe, just maybe, we have misunderstood the dark epitome of the horny hell demons who ravish us and all who fall within their sights........

Here's some more who have been misunderstood all these years.

www.youtube.com/watch

[Seival]

Dendio1 wrote...

The endings are fine. Leviathan pretty much explained star kid to a tee. Everything else is nitpicking.
Let it go people. Looking forwards to omega

I'm glad to see more and more pro-enders. We should help all anti-enders to become pro-enders. It's hard, but still achievable.



BioWare, you are not alone. You can count on us. We will stay by your side, defending the amazing story of Mass Effect.

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

The endings are fine. Leviathan pretty much explained star kid to a tee. Everything else is nitpicking.
Let it go people. Looking forwards to omega

I'm glad to see more and more pro-enders. We should help all anti-enders to become pro-enders. It's hard, but still achievable.



BioWare, you are not alone. You can count on us. We will stay by your side, defending the amazing story of Mass Effect.

funny you should say that when another person who liked the endings said they wouldn't mind this at all and it wouldn't ruin the game for them. Once again your invalid with your jealousy

[3DandBeyond]

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

The endings are fine. Leviathan pretty much explained star kid to a tee. Everything else is nitpicking.
Let it go people. Looking forwards to omega

I'm glad to see more and more pro-enders. We should help all anti-enders to become pro-enders. It's hard, but still achievable.



BioWare, you are not alone. You can count on us. We will stay by your side, defending the amazing story of Mass Effect.

funny you should say that when another person who liked the endings said they wouldn't mind this at all and it wouldn't ruin the game for them. Once again your invalid with your jealousy

Someone is worried Bioware chooses ideas based on post count.  They don't.  They pick what THEY want always.  Remember, it's their story not mine and not yours Seival.  Theirs and they decide what goes in it.  They decide what works for them storywise and financially. 

And the post is also off topic since this is not a discussion of trying to force people to accept someone else's preference.  The thread is about asking Bioware to look and see if what we want is a win for everyone, and not asking them to change the content other people (like you, Seival) now have.  Others that like the endings think it is a great idea since they could play it and still have what they have now.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 11 septembre 2012 - 10:09 .

[Seival]

AresKeith wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

The endings are fine. Leviathan pretty much explained star kid to a tee. Everything else is nitpicking.
Let it go people. Looking forwards to omega

I'm glad to see more and more pro-enders. We should help all anti-enders to become pro-enders. It's hard, but still achievable.



BioWare, you are not alone. You can count on us. We will stay by your side, defending the amazing story of Mass Effect.

funny you should say that when another person who liked the endings said they wouldn't mind this at all and it wouldn't ruin the game for them. Once again your invalid with your jealousy

I think when everyone accept the endings as they are, no one will even think about asking for any changes. This will be better for everyone, believe me.

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

I think when everyone accept the endings as they are, no one will even think about asking for any changes. This will be better for everyone, believe me.

This is off topic.  Please stay on topic or maybe go reply to posts in threads you've created.  That must keep you busy, I know.

I don't want this thread locked due to off topic posting just as I wouldn't want any threads you've created locked for such a reason.

I'm just asking and not telling you to please respect the thread as I respect yours.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 11 septembre 2012 - 10:21 .

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

I think when everyone accept the endings as they are, no one will even think about asking for any changes. This will be better for everyone, believe me.

good luck with that pointless thing, since this will always happen in gaming but its up to them (not you) to say whether they'll go with it or not.

and about changes, there are threads about changing or adding on to the Earth mission, don't see you there doing this

this thread is about making a suggestion to Bioware

Modifié par AresKeith, 11 septembre 2012 - 10:17 .

[Seival]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

I think when everyone accept the endings as they are, no one will even think about asking for any changes. This will be better for everyone, believe me.

This is off topic.  Please stay on topic or maybe go reply to posts in threads you've created.  That must keep you busy, I know.

I don't want this thread locked due to off topic posting just as I wouldn't want any threads you've created locked for such a reason.

Don't worry. This is not off-topic, and the thread will not be locked because of me.

But I have to hold the line and remind people that not only devs are against any changes to ME Story.

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...


Don't worry. This is not off-topic, and the thread will not be locked because of me.

But I have to hold the line and remind people that not only devs are against any changes to ME Story.

This has nothing to do with this thread.  And it's for the devs to say what they will do.


I am asking Bioware and not you to consider DLC.  You don't have to play it.

The mature thing would be to realize you have an opinion and so do others and everyone is entitled to one.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 11 septembre 2012 - 10:24 .

[AresKeith]

3DandBeyond wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Only the player can turn Shepard into a tragic hero through sacrifice in Control or Synthesis. Otherwise Shepard is the Phoenix.

Exactly, even before Redemption and From Ashes and all, that scene from ME1 was totally of the Phoenix rising.  And project lazarus was literally the Phoenix rising.

And every character in the dang game was given redemption.  There is nothing tragic in this game until you see ME3.  If they wanted to show tragic they truly would have gotten us involved in the geth quarian war-you can give Rannoch back to both the geth and the quarians.  Sad and all, but truly a wonderful way to be able to end that chapter.  And it would be so nice if you could leave the game and this time period with the knowledge that they got it right, finally.  Without green eyes and reapers flying overhead to enforce it.

QFT

[3DandBeyond]

AresKeith wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Only the player can turn Shepard into a tragic hero through sacrifice in Control or Synthesis. Otherwise Shepard is the Phoenix.

Exactly, even before Redemption and From Ashes and all, that scene from ME1 was totally of the Phoenix rising.  And project lazarus was literally the Phoenix rising.

And every character in the dang game was given redemption.  There is nothing tragic in this game until you see ME3.  If they wanted to show tragic they truly would have gotten us involved in the geth quarian war-you can give Rannoch back to both the geth and the quarians.  Sad and all, but truly a wonderful way to be able to end that chapter.  And it would be so nice if you could leave the game and this time period with the knowledge that they got it right, finally.  Without green eyes and reapers flying overhead to enforce it.

QFT

Hey thanks.  I can't help but wonder that this might actually fit in with what could happen.  Redemption.  Great concept.  Bioware and ME3, kind of in ashes (a bit in some people's eyes), rising up like a Phoenix.  Consider it.

[ShepnTali]

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

I think when everyone accept the endings as they are, no one will even think about asking for any changes. This will be better for everyone, believe me.

This is off topic.  Please stay on topic or maybe go reply to posts in threads you've created.  That must keep you busy, I know.

I don't want this thread locked due to off topic posting just as I wouldn't want any threads you've created locked for such a reason.

Don't worry. This is not off-topic, and the thread will not be locked because of me.

But I have to hold the line and remind people that not only devs are against any changes to ME Story.

Your thread is sinking again. Maybe a third bump in a row by you will work.

Just trying to help.

[Seival]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...


Don't worry. This is not off-topic, and the thread will not be locked because of me.

But I have to hold the line and remind people that not only devs are against any changes to ME Story.

This has nothing to do with this thread.  And it's for the devs to say what they will do.


I am asking Bioware and not you to consider DLC.  You don't have to play it.

The mature thing would be to realize you have an opinion and so do others and everyone is entitled to one.

BioWare already told they will never change the story. Told a lot of times already. I just support that decision.

[Code_R]

Seival wrote...

 the amazing story of Mass Effect.

Woah woah woah..... I mean... what??

[someone else]

+1...futile, but +1

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Not directed at anyone in particular, but my dad told me that if I get the urge to head butt someone I'd know why.

[DrwEddy]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

The endings are fine. Leviathan pretty much explained star kid to a tee. Everything else is nitpicking.
Let it go people. Looking forwards to omega

In your opinion of course.  I disagree.  And Omega becomes pointless to many people (even reviewers like IGN were not excited about Leviathan).  Lose your staunchest supporters such as IGN and other review sites like it and something is not going right.

What good would it be to save Aria and Omega, if all you ever get is what you have now-it defines pointless.  It also adds to an overwhelming malaise that Leviathan helped to promote for a lot of people.  Does that sound like things you want reviewers to quote?  And "meh" was said about Leviathan in one of the pro-ME3 endings reviews.  I doubt that will be used to promote Omega.  Something will need to help it be considered meaningful.

My thought's exactly. Releasing DLCs is pretty much pointless for BioWare at this point.

[Conniving_Eagle]

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[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...


Don't worry. This is not off-topic, and the thread will not be locked because of me.

But I have to hold the line and remind people that not only devs are against any changes to ME Story.

This has nothing to do with this thread.  And it's for the devs to say what they will do.


I am asking Bioware and not you to consider DLC.  You don't have to play it.

The mature thing would be to realize you have an opinion and so do others and everyone is entitled to one.

BioWare already told they will never change the story. Told a lot of times already. I just support that decision.

Except when you make a suggestion.  Then, it's ok, right?

I think this whole line of thought is funny since your support is that you apparently don't care if fans leave and Bioware loses money (not saying they will), but I'm trying to do something more pro-Bioware and something to encourage people to actually buy DLC.