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no it doesnt need to be changed i like now then ever since the leviathan and the ec cleared up alot of things wasnt in the game that was answered so no i like the ending even before the ec

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Ravenmyste wrote...

no it doesnt need to be changed i like now then ever since the leviathan and the ec cleared up alot of things wasnt in the game that was answered so no i like the ending even before the ec



as much as proender trolls think to the contrary you are the minority. 

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Ravenmyste wrote...

no it doesnt need to be changed i like now then ever since the leviathan and the ec cleared up alot of things wasnt in the game that was answered so no i like the ending even before the ec


And that's just fine.  If you like the endings now, I'm suggesting you get to keep them and that change be available for those that want it.  I don't want something I want forced upon others.

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Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

I think when everyone accept the endings as they are, no one will even think about asking for any changes. This will be better for everyone, believe me.


This is off topic.  Please stay on topic or maybe go reply to posts in threads you've created.  That must keep you busy, I know.

I don't want this thread locked due to off topic posting just as I wouldn't want any threads you've created locked for such a reason.


Don't worry. This is not off-topic, and the thread will not be locked because of me.

But I have to hold the line and remind people that not only devs are against any changes to ME Story.


You dont get to use that phrase in that context.

Modifié par Xellith, 11 septembre 2012 - 11:32 .


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3DandBeyond

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Xellith wrote...

Seival wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

I think when everyone accept the endings as they are, no one will even think about asking for any changes. This will be better for everyone, believe me.


This is off topic.  Please stay on topic or maybe go reply to posts in threads you've created.  That must keep you busy, I know.

I don't want this thread locked due to off topic posting just as I wouldn't want any threads you've created locked for such a reason.


Don't worry. This is not off-topic, and the thread will not be locked because of me.

But I have to hold the line and remind people that not only devs are against any changes to ME Story.


You dont get to use that phrase in that context.


Yes, it's kind of inappropriate all around.

And I'm not saying what the devs will or will not do.  I'm not psychic with a special tune into the Bioware brain wave channel, so I'd never speak for them. 

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Here's another Protest song. I believe it fits to the discussion of the O/P. Its a gentle satire which I hope you enjoy

To the tune of Greg Lake/ELP  "I believe in Father Xmas"

I believed in Commander Shepard

They said there’d be Reaper Battles
They said we’d see war assets
But instead it was all just foreplay
A marketing seduction trip
I remember what was promised
All the hype spread through these wires
The marketing spell
And persistent hard sell
All the praise from the media choir


I was sold on the dream of Shepard
I was sold on the Mass Effect
It was more than a fairy story
In my mind it was perfect.
And I believed in Commander Shepard
As my hands held my treasured prize
Me and my friends
Played until the end
Then the scales fell from our eyes.


I wished for a fitting ending
I wished for a brave last fight
All the darkness of the cycles
Would be consumed in Shepard’s Light
They said there’d be Reaper Battles
They said we’d see War assets
But in the end all we got
Was a crazy Robot
Not a great end to an epic quest.

Modifié par alleyd, 12 septembre 2012 - 01:39 .


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sH0tgUn jUliA

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Yes this is fitting.

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Seival wrote...

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The endings are fine. Leviathan pretty much explained star kid to a tee. Everything else is nitpicking.
Let it go people. Looking forwards to omega


I'm glad to see more and more pro-enders. We should help all anti-enders to become pro-enders. It's hard, but still achievable.



BioWare, you are not alone. You can count on us. We will stay by your side, defending the amazing story of Mass Effect.


lol you've about as much chance of convincing us that the ending was anything more than a steaming pile, as we have of convincing BW to make changes to the ending. In fact they are relate. Once BW makes a new improved ending there is every indication we will become pro-enders.

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Ehhh I hate factions.

When people start talking about "converting" other people it reminds me of the Crusades.

Don't turn this into a religion people, pls.

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Next thing we'll see is the Spanish Inquisition.

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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Next thing we'll see is the Spanish Inquisition.


You rang?;)

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sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Next thing we'll see is the Spanish Inquisition.


You've got me singing Mel Brooks Mass Effect Style 

Indoctrination:Look out Brain

Inodctrination: I'm going insane

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Warrior Craess wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

The endings are fine. Leviathan pretty much explained star kid to a tee. Everything else is nitpicking.
Let it go people. Looking forwards to omega


I'm glad to see more and more pro-enders. We should help all anti-enders to become pro-enders. It's hard, but still achievable.



BioWare, you are not alone. You can count on us. We will stay by your side, defending the amazing story of Mass Effect.


lol you've about as much chance of convincing us that the ending was anything more than a steaming pile, as we have of convincing BW to make changes to the ending. In fact they are relate. Once BW makes a new improved ending there is every indication we will become pro-enders.


I have heard rabid pro-enders described as suffering from "battered spouse syndrome"

"BW only hurts us because we deserve it. Please, BW, don't hit us anymore. We'll be good fans."

Or something to that effect.

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MegaSovereign wrote...

Ehhh I hate factions.

When people start talking about "converting" other people it reminds me of the Crusades.

Don't turn this into a religion people, pls.


I'm not looking to convert anyone.  Heck no.  That's a fool's game.  I have no problem with anyone liking what they like.  Last thing I want is for us to lose our individual nature.

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Warrior Craess wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

The endings are fine. Leviathan pretty much explained star kid to a tee. Everything else is nitpicking.
Let it go people. Looking forwards to omega


I'm glad to see more and more pro-enders. We should help all anti-enders to become pro-enders. It's hard, but still achievable.



BioWare, you are not alone. You can count on us. We will stay by your side, defending the amazing story of Mass Effect.


lol you've about as much chance of convincing us that the ending was anything more than a steaming pile, as we have of convincing BW to make changes to the ending. In fact they are relate. Once BW makes a new improved ending there is every indication we will become pro-enders.


well we wouldn't really be pro-enders, but we would still questioning Bioware's every move now lol

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3DandBeyond wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Ehhh I hate factions.

When people start talking about "converting" other people it reminds me of the Crusades.

Don't turn this into a religion people, pls.


I'm not looking to convert anyone.  Heck no.  That's a fool's game.  I have no problem with anyone liking what they like.  Last thing I want is for us to lose our individual nature.


Options are wonderful things.  Gives more people a reason to play the game.

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I'm really not looking to bash anyone either here. But if someone comes here asserting that what they like is best I will state my opinion as they have stated theirs.

I can only say that there are ways to make more people happy, so that everyone has some bit they like, and I do want this to be less about sides and more about everyone enjoying something of the game endings.

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3DandBeyond wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Ehhh I hate factions.

When people start talking about "converting" other people it reminds me of the Crusades.

Don't turn this into a religion people, pls.


I'm not looking to convert anyone.  Heck no.  That's a fool's game.  I have no problem with anyone liking what they like.  Last thing I want is for us to lose our individual nature.


Then you must hate synthesis:P

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MegaSovereign

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3DandBeyond wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Ehhh I hate factions.

When people start talking about "converting" other people it reminds me of the Crusades.

Don't turn this into a religion people, pls.


I'm not looking to convert anyone.  Heck no.  That's a fool's game.  I have no problem with anyone liking what they like.  Last thing I want is for us to lose our individual nature.


My post wasn't really directed at anyone.

But I saw Seival talking about eventually converting people into liking the endings.

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MegaSovereign wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Ehhh I hate factions.

When people start talking about "converting" other people it reminds me of the Crusades.

Don't turn this into a religion people, pls.


I'm not looking to convert anyone.  Heck no.  That's a fool's game.  I have no problem with anyone liking what they like.  Last thing I want is for us to lose our individual nature.


My post wasn't really directed at anyone.

But I saw Seival talking about eventually converting people into liking the endings.


No I get that-sorry if I seemed to take offense since I did not.  I should have smiled more when writing.  I was going to try to be funny and all and decided i didn't want to make statements about my religion here having standards-we don't let just anyone in, but I decided to do that here instead.

:innocent:

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:49 .


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ld1449 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Ehhh I hate factions.

When people start talking about "converting" other people it reminds me of the Crusades.

Don't turn this into a religion people, pls.


I'm not looking to convert anyone.  Heck no.  That's a fool's game.  I have no problem with anyone liking what they like.  Last thing I want is for us to lose our individual nature.


Then you must hate synthesis:P


Yes, but unfortunately my eyes are naturally green.  :sick:

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MegaSovereign wrote...

Ehhh I hate factions.

When people start talking about "converting" other people it reminds me of the Crusades.

Don't turn this into a religion people, pls.


So very true

How this thread turned into another one of those pointless spiel session is unfortunate.

What I take from the O/P is a request for constructive dialogue with Bioware. Something that could be vastly improved for a company that uses "we listen to our fans" tag-lines so much. They do, but they use selective deafness. and can thus be accused of a perception of disconnect with their fanbase.

Wether you think there is actual disconnect, its perception that's important.

There are a substantial number of consumers who have negative perceptions, not only ending related. This thread, I had hoped would get some dialogue. Th o/p made some very good points.  Some want to be fans again and have meaningful dialogue on a variety of subjects. Some of the handling of this fiasco could have been handled more effectively and the best way to do that IMO is to have dialogue in a better form than twitter quotes.

Modifié par alleyd, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:42 .


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ld1449 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Next thing we'll see is the Spanish Inquisition.


You rang?;)


Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!

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alleyd wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Ehhh I hate factions.

When people start talking about "converting" other people it reminds me of the Crusades.

Don't turn this into a religion people, pls.


So very true

How this thread turned into another one of those pointless spiel session is unfortunate.

What I take from the O/P is a request for constructive dialogue with Bioware. Something that could be vastly improved for a company that uses "we listen to our fans" tag-lines so much. They do, but they use selective deafness. and can thus be accused of a perception of disconnect with their fanbase.

Wether you think there is actual disconnect, its perception that's important.

There are a substantial number of consumers who have negative perceptions, not only ending related. This thread, I had hoped would get some dialogue. Th o/p made some very good points.  Some want to be fans again and have meaningful dialogue on a variety of subjects. Some of the handling of this fiasco could have been handled more effectively and the best way to do that IMO is to have dialogue in a better form than twitter quotes.




This is it.  I think it's time to come back to the BSN.  Let's just try to find some civil middle where talking to each other instead of at and about each other.  Communication.  It's underrated.

As I've said I think we are have more common ground (all of us) than one might think.  I like at least 97% of all ME.  The last little bit is what I don't like.  So, we disagree about what is minutiae to one person, but what is everything to me.  But, that's the way people just are.  Some people form opinions subconsciously on the very first thing they see.  Bad opening, that's it, they hate it.  Some want a good middle.  Some only will remember an ending or the last thing they see.  But it is as much or more the subconscious. 

It's like some people forming opinions of people on first impressions and some that do so later on.  It's just how people work and how they are different.  We all have a different internal basis on what impression matters most-the first or the last.  You can't argue with it. It is what it is.

And opinions are meant to be different.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 12 septembre 2012 - 04:01 .


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MegaSovereign wrote...

My post wasn't really directed at anyone.

But I saw Seival talking about eventually converting people into liking the endings.

Seival believes in many things, not all of them true, remember the test flight theory?

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 12 septembre 2012 - 03:59 .