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[3DandBeyond]

nibbo373 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

nibbo373 wrote...
When Anderson died this is what I expected from my ending:
The Crucible to be exactly as advertised, a weapon that would finally destroy the reapers. Nothing more, nothing less.

Umm.... that wasn't how the Crucible was advertised. I don't know how Bio could have told us any more clearly that the Crucible was going to do something weird when it finally activated. All we know about its function is that the Protheans believed in the project and the Reapers tried to stop it.

Clearly Alan you are a much more perceptive man than I am.  If you had the ending we got telegraphed from early on thenI tip my hat to you.  I hope you'll indulge me a margin for error though, and appreciate how I came to the conclusion I did.

Everyone involved in building the crucible is doing so because it is their firm belief that it is a device to be used offensively against the Reapers.  A weapon.  Numerous characters refer to it as a weapon throughout the course of the game.  The Mass Effect wikia calls it a 'superweapon.'  I'm sure I can't be the only one who assumed it was a weapon in a conventional sense.  Your powers of deduction border on clairvoyance, and I'll level with you, I'm jealous.

Yes, the inferences and statements always led you to believe it was a weapon.  As others put so well  RB for one, it was stated in many places it was a weapon. 

Shepard didn't want it to be like kids playing with a loaded gun.  Well, what the hell did it turn out to be?  It was like kids playing with a loaded whatever the hell it is.


Great, it wasn't a weapon, except that it was and it was pointed squarely at the galaxy and right at the brains of all ME3 players.  It attempted to suck the gray matter from our craniums and put jello in place.


I feel so much better now that I know the galaxy was full of such brainiacs that were not actually trying to make a big weapon that would kill reapers and instead were making a super sized whatever it is.  Truly intellectual.

I do think that when someone comes in this thread and then tries to say that things that are nonsense are really great, then I will express my opinion.  The crucible as a big question mark is a joke, as a weapon yes a bit trite, but I'd rather have a dumb real weapon then some pseudo-intellectual magical unknown thing that everyone stops fighting in order to make for no reason thing that was maybe a weapon, but not really.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 12 septembre 2012 - 08:07 .

[Benchpress610]

150 pages!!! …wow Dee I’m glad you’re still rocking and rolling, keep it up...I see some old friends from the “we are listening” thread back (sdinc009 how’re you doing).
 
Our heroes keep putting up a good fight… and the trolls still trolling.
 
Ahh…life is good.

[3DandBeyond]

Archonsg wrote...

The crucible could have worked I think had they kept it simple and kept it as a weapon. An actual weapon. One of Protean design from the Metacon Wars and none of that "passed down from one cycle to another non-sense.

But again, they had to fit it to the over-arching end plot that "Shepard must die". If it was a weapon then it would have been a means of defeating the reapers, technically its "unconventional" since they used a BFG to win, but some might argue that point.

In any case, they didn't.
Also, do remember that the Original Crucible pre-EC wasn't even explained. It was an McGuffin, just a placeholder for the Catalyst. Its only because back in the "we are listening thread" that its non-nonsensical nature was repeatedly hammered out (against the arguments of the "pro-enders" even then) that BW finally tried to explain it away as a high tech capacitor / battery. Which actually leads to even more illogical engineering paradoxes. One of which is that you have the brightest minds working on this and NO ONE can even figure out that its a big arsed battery? Really?

But .... coming back on track.
What is done is done.
This thread isn't about rehashing stuff we have covered over a 1000+/- pages in the "we are listening" thread.
Its about asking if Bioware would be willing to consider making optional DLC content for those of us who want more content but content that could in time move the ending to a brighter, more hopeful future.

Lets face it.
The EC itself is proof that BW did realise its original "vision" was just way too bleak and it was a sugar coating to sweeten the three original endings. Don't mistake the frosting for the cake which is still the SAME three original choices that taste just as bad, just sweeter.

People who are happy with those endings, good for you.

I unfortunately am not.
I would like to BUY DLCs to change that. To change my current perception of the game, to encourage me to WANT TO buy Leviathan, and any other DLCs, to want to play the game towards an end I can be happy with.

And that is what this thread is about.
3D isn't asking for people to loose the endings that they are happy with.
She and many others are asking, give us MORE endings so that MORE of us can be happy as well.

Exactly.  All that stuff exists and we want something more.  I do however think that if someone must come here and assert their opinion as some sort of fact and try to want to change minds that do already exist in reality, then well opinions go both ways.  Say mine is wrong and yours is right and what will happen is a disagreement.  That's what it's intended to do. 

But the point is there are things that may be possible and others that are not.  Asking is fine and appropriate.

[Archonsg]

Benchpress610 wrote...

150 pages!!! …wow Dee I’m glad you’re still rocking and rolling, keep it up...I see some old friends from the “we are listening” thread back (sdinc009 how’re you doing).
 
Our heroes keep putting up a good fight… and the trolls still trolling.
 
Ahh…life is good.

Oh I bet more "pro-alt-enders" are around or still around. Most have either grown apathic towards ME3 (as was intended by the EC) and more so have moved on. 
Still, I bet some are still lurking / still want that something more that they know Bioware can do. 
The real question is, will they?

Or like Jade Empires, the Mass Effect world will be left to rot. 

[Redbelle]

Archonsg wrote...

Benchpress610 wrote...

150 pages!!! …wow Dee I’m glad you’re still rocking and rolling, keep it up...I see some old friends from the “we are listening” thread back (sdinc009 how’re you doing).
 
Our heroes keep putting up a good fight… and the trolls still trolling.
 
Ahh…life is good.

Oh I bet more "pro-alt-enders" are around or still around. Most have either grown apathic towards ME3 (as was intended by the EC) and more so have moved on. 
Still, I bet some are still lurking / still want that something more that they know Bioware can do. 
The real question is, will they?

Or like Jade Empires, the Mass Effect world will be left to rot. 

Hoping it's more like Fallout 3. Where slack jawed incomprehension was cast out in favour of intelligent decision making and cleanup duty.

[Iakus]

Archonsg wrote...

Benchpress610 wrote...

150 pages!!! …wow Dee I’m glad you’re still rocking and rolling, keep it up...I see some old friends from the “we are listening” thread back (sdinc009 how’re you doing).
 
Our heroes keep putting up a good fight… and the trolls still trolling.
 
Ahh…life is good.

Oh I bet more "pro-alt-enders" are around or still around. Most have either grown apathic towards ME3 (as was intended by the EC) and more so have moved on. 
Still, I bet some are still lurking / still want that something more that they know Bioware can do. 
The real question is, will they?

Or like Jade Empires, the Mass Effect world will be left to rot. 

After ME3's ending, I'm not so sure I'd want a Jade Empire sequel made...

[Redbelle]

Reading about the crucible for the last few pages........... I've realised that I've lost a bit of respect for the Prothean's I heard about in ME1. Supposedly the most advanced of the ancient civilisations we learn in ME3 that they were nothing special aside from the most successful conquer's of their time.

And it would seem to hinge on that crucible. Suddenly it's not a Prothean weapon but one that has been developed over cycles. I think it's only fair to say.............. What have the Prothean's ever done for us?!?

Aside from the beacons......... and the ruins......... and giving Liara something to do with her time........... which proves instrumental in stopping Sovereign............ and their helpful VI's.......... And for not bringing humans into their empire to early thus sparing us from the previous cycles harvest........

But aside from the beacons, the ruins the Asari, the VI's and not enslaving the Human race............ What have the Protheans ever done for us???

[3DandBeyond]

Benchpress610 wrote...

150 pages!!! …wow Dee I’m glad you’re still rocking and rolling, keep it up...I see some old friends from the “we are listening” thread back (sdinc009 how’re you doing).
 
Our heroes keep putting up a good fight… and the trolls still trolling.
 
Ahh…life is good.

Bouncy Bubbles.

Thing is, what often gets posted here are things by some saying, "nooooo. I like my endings."  Great, keep them.  Or, "noooooo, too many people would choose that."  Ok, and that's wrong.  $$$. If that's the case.  Which means more content, which means more $$$.  And I am realistic and know that silence can say a lot.  Sure thing.  Well, silence does in fact work both ways.  I don't want that.  I've never wanted that. 

I see a lot of people saying it's about the journey and not the destination.  Well, ok.  Sort of accurate but a limited and very trite saying.  That indicates if you're going to the store, what matters most is the trip to get there.  Who cares if you buy the milk you need?  That journey was AWESOME!  And, hope you like the trip home from work, 'cause who the heck cares about actually getting home as long as the ride there was spectacular.

Ever ride in a car full of kids on a long trip.  Yeah, tell me the destination doesn't matter.  How about you tell them that when you get to an amusement park and it's closed (true story-person died there, closed park). 

Hey, and how about going on some journey and never reaching the destination because someone changed your world upside down?  Well, that's what ME3 feels like.  It's that journey that never ended-a trip held in suspension that we hope one day we can bring Shepard back home from.

I also see people that say a (un) conventional victory is not possible and not realistic either.  Ok, huh?  Really fighting with actual stuff like guns (big big guns) is not realistic but giant magical space widgets and the select-a-beam are realistic?  Okey dokey.

And then some see death as art (not saying the devs, just some other "guys") and I see death as gruesome, painful, and distinctly un-art-like.

Some say boss fights are video gamey.  Wow.  Sooo not what you want in a video game.  I say bring on the boss conversations.

And some of my favorites deal with the need for Shepard to make hard choices at the end.  Yes, I always like games where I'm fighting the biggest baddest dudes in the galaxy to end by making a choice.  Not fighting for one better thing, not trying hard to get some good outcome, but making a choice.  And not just any old choice, but a hard one, difficult, you know real life ones like deciding to be the god of the galaxy, destroy friendly robots and some other unspecified stuff, or have everyone join with something somehow in some unspecified way for some really unspecified purpose (as if that would stop anyone from fighting) in order to do exactly the opposite of what you wanted to do.  That smells like fun to me.  Well, there is no hard choice for me-so no, the ending wasn't about making a hard choice at all.  It was about forcing the easiest one of all upon us.  It was about making us turn off the game and not make a choice.  The game offers no choice for me.  It's all about which flavor of destroying the galaxy I get to pick and what amount of certainty I want for a quasi-dead Shepard.

I want something that for me ends the journey and allows me to revisit the place again and again.  I don't want the trip to be over at the end, but I do want there to be a decent destination.  I want to bring Shepard home.  Shepard has made BW money.  Shepard deserves a better fate.  If I must make a choice, let there at least be one I could have fun making.  It is a video game and gee, pardon me for wanting it to be that for a heck of a lot of people.  It may be a game for some and it may be fun for them, but that is lacking for many. 

[Archonsg]

iakus wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Benchpress610 wrote...

150 pages!!! …wow Dee I’m glad you’re still rocking and rolling, keep it up...I see some old friends from the “we are listening” thread back (sdinc009 how’re you doing).
 
Our heroes keep putting up a good fight… and the trolls still trolling.
 
Ahh…life is good.

Oh I bet more "pro-alt-enders" are around or still around. Most have either grown apathic towards ME3 (as was intended by the EC) and more so have moved on. 
Still, I bet some are still lurking / still want that something more that they know Bioware can do. 
The real question is, will they?

Or like Jade Empires, the Mass Effect world will be left to rot. 

After ME3's ending, I'm not so sure I'd want a Jade Empire sequel made...

Oh I don't know.
I am now taking a wait and see approach to anything Bioware releases. 
I was serious back in the old threads and I still am. Essentially, Bioware with this stunt, turned off my "NEW BIOWARE RELEASE! BUY IT NOW! NOT AVAILABLE YET?! SHUT UP AND TAKE MONEY AND GIMME A PRE-ORDER!" response. 

I was looking forward to Dragon Age 3, Comand and Conquer Generals and whatever they were going to churn out. 
Now, not so.
Simply put. 
Its all about track record. 
Don't get me wrong, they can still easily win me over. I am sap for a good RPG / Story based game, as long its not some nihilistic view of the world or one that advocate / rewards betrayal.
My heart is still bear scars and it'll be a long time before I believe anything they say.

[Zan51]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Remanentmoss01 wrote...

You know, Thats what i find most baffling about all this, Would they really destroy this universe, would they even kill Shepard, I mean in Shepard EA has thier very own Master Chief. A character who would sell a bucketload of games and we know EA likes money, I find it very hard to believe that EA are just going to let Shepard draw his last breath under that rubble

Thisis the thing for me as well.  There is first of all the idea that not including Shepard in any future games as a real character is hard for some to take, but I think we could get past that and it does make some sense (if you keep Shepard then you must keep all the LIs at a minimum, but it goes even further-Garrus is my buddy, there's no Shepard without Vacarian).  This kind of thing is just so difficult to do even for big budget movies with big big payrolls.  And if a game is in the future and Blue babies are real for me and Rannoch is real for someone else, that game would be difficult to make.  I mean, in just those 2 scenarios would Shepard be off flying around the galaxy with Liara at home watching the kids or Tali watching crops grow and painting some new portico?  What that does is shuts off having an LI in the game-and I think having them was pretty popular.  I also can't think of any of the LIs just sitting back and waiting for Shepard to come back home once in awhile.  Or say Kaidan/Ashley/Sam waiting for some stolen moments on the ship.  Or Jack waiting for anything.  And so on. 

I think it could be fun if Shepard and crew got together and became privateers so that people like Miranda and Jack, Ashley or Kaidan, Cortez, Joker, and EDI, and say even Kolyat and Bailey could become part of the crew-as well as Tali, Liara, Garrus, and the whole gang (I probably forgot someone).  And apart from any real outside authority (not Alliance anymore, but still a Spectre), I think the LI prospects could be opened up a bit.  And they could actually be working for the Shadow Broker-might have their own ships and you might do missions as another character.  These for me are fun things to think about.  I can fully see Miranda commanding a ship.  Or acting as second in command in a Firefly like scenario.

However.  This is all just fun thinking.  The reality is keeping such a big group together is hard to do.  What it boils down to is that future games could well reference a living Shepard.  That means not necessarily killing of Shepard-and still keeping him/her alive in spirit in games that come later and have their own stories and own new hero.  I'd love for it to be Shepard herself (mostly a fem in my games), but she carries a lot of other people along with her, that I don't see as expendable.

OMG! Awesome idea! Yes, Shep IS their Master Chief! And I really would buy a series of games with her as a kinda privaterr and her crew going round not stealing but mopping up the galaxy post ME3 ending! The adventures would be awesome. You could have even a whole game based on clearing out somewhere like Omega! If DOOM 3 can spend a game clearing out a facility on Mars was it, same with Halflife, so could ME! Geez talk about money in the bank!

[Archonsg]

Zan51 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Remanentmoss01 wrote...

You know, Thats what i find most baffling about all this, Would they really destroy this universe, would they even kill Shepard, I mean in Shepard EA has thier very own Master Chief. A character who would sell a bucketload of games and we know EA likes money, I find it very hard to believe that EA are just going to let Shepard draw his last breath under that rubble

Thisis the thing for me as well.  There is first of all the idea that not including Shepard in any future games as a real character is hard for some to take, but I think we could get past that and it does make some sense (if you keep Shepard then you must keep all the LIs at a minimum, but it goes even further-Garrus is my buddy, there's no Shepard without Vacarian).  This kind of thing is just so difficult to do even for big budget movies with big big payrolls.  And if a game is in the future and Blue babies are real for me and Rannoch is real for someone else, that game would be difficult to make.  I mean, in just those 2 scenarios would Shepard be off flying around the galaxy with Liara at home watching the kids or Tali watching crops grow and painting some new portico?  What that does is shuts off having an LI in the game-and I think having them was pretty popular.  I also can't think of any of the LIs just sitting back and waiting for Shepard to come back home once in awhile.  Or say Kaidan/Ashley/Sam waiting for some stolen moments on the ship.  Or Jack waiting for anything.  And so on. 

I think it could be fun if Shepard and crew got together and became privateers so that people like Miranda and Jack, Ashley or Kaidan, Cortez, Joker, and EDI, and say even Kolyat and Bailey could become part of the crew-as well as Tali, Liara, Garrus, and the whole gang (I probably forgot someone).  And apart from any real outside authority (not Alliance anymore, but still a Spectre), I think the LI prospects could be opened up a bit.  And they could actually be working for the Shadow Broker-might have their own ships and you might do missions as another character.  These for me are fun things to think about.  I can fully see Miranda commanding a ship.  Or acting as second in command in a Firefly like scenario.

However.  This is all just fun thinking.  The reality is keeping such a big group together is hard to do.  What it boils down to is that future games could well reference a living Shepard.  That means not necessarily killing of Shepard-and still keeping him/her alive in spirit in games that come later and have their own stories and own new hero.  I'd love for it to be Shepard herself (mostly a fem in my games), but she carries a lot of other people along with her, that I don't see as expendable.

OMG! Awesome idea! Yes, Shep IS their Master Chief! And I really would buy a series of games with her as a kinda privaterr and her crew going round not stealing but mopping up the galaxy post ME3 ending! The adventures would be awesome. You could have even a whole game based on clearing out somewhere like Omega! If DOOM 3 can spend a game clearing out a facility on Mars was it, same with Halflife, so could ME! Geez talk about money in the bank!

Or it could have been titled "Spectre : Terminus Frontier" You do realize that there is a huge galaxy, the current known one just simmering with plots / tension and possible war between the races for Shepard and crew right.

Or better yet, "Mass Effect : Expediationary Force" now that the Reaper war is over. How about opening some of those dormant relays. Just think of the possibilities. 

But .... SHEPARD MUST DIE.
And so too the Mass Effect universe and its future. 

[3DandBeyond]

Archonsg wrote...

Zan51 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Remanentmoss01 wrote...

You know, Thats what i find most baffling about all this, Would they really destroy this universe, would they even kill Shepard, I mean in Shepard EA has thier very own Master Chief. A character who would sell a bucketload of games and we know EA likes money, I find it very hard to believe that EA are just going to let Shepard draw his last breath under that rubble

Thisis the thing for me as well.  There is first of all the idea that not including Shepard in any future games as a real character is hard for some to take, but I think we could get past that and it does make some sense (if you keep Shepard then you must keep all the LIs at a minimum, but it goes even further-Garrus is my buddy, there's no Shepard without Vacarian).  This kind of thing is just so difficult to do even for big budget movies with big big payrolls.  And if a game is in the future and Blue babies are real for me and Rannoch is real for someone else, that game would be difficult to make.  I mean, in just those 2 scenarios would Shepard be off flying around the galaxy with Liara at home watching the kids or Tali watching crops grow and painting some new portico?  What that does is shuts off having an LI in the game-and I think having them was pretty popular.  I also can't think of any of the LIs just sitting back and waiting for Shepard to come back home once in awhile.  Or say Kaidan/Ashley/Sam waiting for some stolen moments on the ship.  Or Jack waiting for anything.  And so on. 

I think it could be fun if Shepard and crew got together and became privateers so that people like Miranda and Jack, Ashley or Kaidan, Cortez, Joker, and EDI, and say even Kolyat and Bailey could become part of the crew-as well as Tali, Liara, Garrus, and the whole gang (I probably forgot someone).  And apart from any real outside authority (not Alliance anymore, but still a Spectre), I think the LI prospects could be opened up a bit.  And they could actually be working for the Shadow Broker-might have their own ships and you might do missions as another character.  These for me are fun things to think about.  I can fully see Miranda commanding a ship.  Or acting as second in command in a Firefly like scenario.

However.  This is all just fun thinking.  The reality is keeping such a big group together is hard to do.  What it boils down to is that future games could well reference a living Shepard.  That means not necessarily killing of Shepard-and still keeping him/her alive in spirit in games that come later and have their own stories and own new hero.  I'd love for it to be Shepard herself (mostly a fem in my games), but she carries a lot of other people along with her, that I don't see as expendable.

OMG! Awesome idea! Yes, Shep IS their Master Chief! And I really would buy a series of games with her as a kinda privaterr and her crew going round not stealing but mopping up the galaxy post ME3 ending! The adventures would be awesome. You could have even a whole game based on clearing out somewhere like Omega! If DOOM 3 can spend a game clearing out a facility on Mars was it, same with Halflife, so could ME! Geez talk about money in the bank!

Or it could have been titled "Spectre : Terminus Frontier" You do realize that there is a huge galaxy, the current known one just simmering with plots / tension and possible war between the races for Shepard and crew right.

Or better yet, "Mass Effect : Expediationary Force" now that the Reaper war is over. How about opening some of those dormant relays. Just think of the possibilities. 

But .... SHEPARD MUST DIE.
And so too the Mass Effect universe and its future. 

Exactly.  The codex is full of places to go and they could add to that.  I think part of the issue was in thinking too big.  I can imagine endless adventures with mysteries to solve and mysteries that needn't carry over from game to game.  What matters most is the core group of characters that matter to you-those things do carry over. 

What if Jacob buys a bar in Rio and at some point you assist him or if Hackett's retired and needs help or any one of a million things (my examples aren't very good.  I mean, it's stuff that gets done now in games, but just have some overriding element that changes from game.  Side missions are smaller quests where you actually do things, but you could have one big thing that needs to get done or get solved that is contained within that game.  It's a thought but one of many that really need to be based on what Shepard's story was initially based on-a good solid character foundation.  And a story that bolsters that foundation above all.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 12 septembre 2012 - 09:10 .

[sdinc009]

Benchpress610 wrote...

150 pages!!! …wow Dee I’m glad you’re still rocking and rolling, keep it up...I see some old friends from the “we are listening” thread back (sdinc009 how’re you doing).
 
Our heroes keep putting up a good fight… and the trolls still trolling.
 
Ahh…life is good.

Looks like the gangs getting back together, where's Bubbles? I need a dose of retard logic 2+5= Banana stat! Still holding the line hoping Bioware will set things right.

[Redbelle]

Archonsg wrote...

iakus wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Benchpress610 wrote...

150 pages!!! …wow Dee I’m glad you’re still rocking and rolling, keep it up...I see some old friends from the “we are listening” thread back (sdinc009 how’re you doing).
 
Our heroes keep putting up a good fight… and the trolls still trolling.
 
Ahh…life is good.

Oh I bet more "pro-alt-enders" are around or still around. Most have either grown apathic towards ME3 (as was intended by the EC) and more so have moved on. 
Still, I bet some are still lurking / still want that something more that they know Bioware can do. 
The real question is, will they?

Or like Jade Empires, the Mass Effect world will be left to rot. 

After ME3's ending, I'm not so sure I'd want a Jade Empire sequel made...

Oh I don't know.
I am now taking a wait and see approach to anything Bioware releases. 
I was serious back in the old threads and I still am. Essentially, Bioware with this stunt, turned off my "NEW BIOWARE RELEASE! BUY IT NOW! NOT AVAILABLE YET?! SHUT UP AND TAKE MONEY AND GIMME A PRE-ORDER!" response. 

I was looking forward to Dragon Age 3, Comand and Conquer Generals and whatever they were going to churn out. 
Now, not so.
Simply put. 
Its all about track record. 
Don't get me wrong, they can still easily win me over. I am sap for a good RPG / Story based game, as long its not some nihilistic view of the world or one that advocate / rewards betrayal.
My heart is still bear scars and it'll be a long time before I believe anything they say.

I was under the impression C&C generals wasn't being made by BW.

I missed DA2 due in large part to the press citing several major concerns and the loss of alot of the older more traditional RPG elements in favour of BW dialogue wheel. It's a nice wheel, but BW need to not only push themselves to try and develop something that fits with the dungeons and dragons style of play and isn't a hand me down from their sci-fi story developments.

ME3 was a pre-order for me based on the strength of ME2. But likewise, I think I'll adopt a wait and see attitude to the next IP they bring out. In todays financial climate I can't afford to just throw money at BW. And with the shattering of public confidence in how they choose to approach implentation of story and narrative........... in story driven RPG's......... well. I've got a gas bill to pay that'll be less of a sting if I choose not to budget for another BW game.

[Xamufam]

3DandBeyond wrote...

nibbo373 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

nibbo373 wrote...
When Anderson died this is what I expected from my ending:
The Crucible to be exactly as advertised, a weapon that would finally destroy the reapers. Nothing more, nothing less.

Umm.... that wasn't how the Crucible was advertised. I don't know how Bio could have told us any more clearly that the Crucible was going to do something weird when it finally activated. All we know about its function is that the Protheans believed in the project and the Reapers tried to stop it.

Clearly Alan you are a much more perceptive man than I am.  If you had the ending we got telegraphed from early on thenI tip my hat to you.  I hope you'll indulge me a margin for error though, and appreciate how I came to the conclusion I did.

Everyone involved in building the crucible is doing so because it is their firm belief that it is a device to be used offensively against the Reapers.  A weapon.  Numerous characters refer to it as a weapon throughout the course of the game.  The Mass Effect wikia calls it a 'superweapon.'  I'm sure I can't be the only one who assumed it was a weapon in a conventional sense.  Your powers of deduction border on clairvoyance, and I'll level with you, I'm jealous.

Yes, the inferences and statements always led you to believe it was a weapon.  As others put so well  RB for one, it was stated in many places it was a weapon. 

Shepard didn't want it to be like kids playing with a loaded gun.  Well, what the hell did it turn out to be?  It was like kids playing with a loaded whatever the hell it is.


Great, it wasn't a weapon, except that it was and it was pointed squarely at the galaxy and right at the brains of all ME3 players.  It attempted to suck the gray matter from our craniums and put jello in place.


I feel so much better now that I know the galaxy was full of such brainiacs that were not actually trying to make a big weapon that would kill reapers and instead were making a super sized whatever it is.  Truly intellectual.

I do think that when someone comes in this thread and then tries to say that things that are nonsense are really great, then I will express my opinion.  The crucible as a big question mark is a joke, as a weapon yes a bit trite, but I'd rather have a dumb real weapon then some pseudo-intellectual magical unknown thing that everyone stops fighting in order to make for no reason thing that was maybe a weapon, but not really.

Stargate had a similar issue but they didn't break suspension of disbelief, but it only destroyed.
The creators were well established
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12888478

Modifié par Troxa, 12 septembre 2012 - 10:53 .

[3DandBeyond]

Troxa wrote...

Stargate had a similar issue but they didn't break suspension of disbelief, but it only destroyed.
social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12888478

Ha, all the more reason for me to watch Stargate since it sounds like they did it right.

[darkway1]

I think any Bioware game after the release of Mass 3 is gonna be under the spotlight,even the game review sites were made to look like pawns in the great Mass3 sales pitch....I'd imagine they'll be giving any new game by Bioware a grilling just to redeem themselves in the public's eye.......I personally won't pre-order any Bioware game after experiencing Mass3.

[3DandBeyond]

darkway1 wrote...

I think any Bioware game after the release of Mass 3 is gonna be under the spotlight,even the game review sites were made to look like pawns in the great Mass3 sales pitch....I'd imagine they'll be giving any new game by Bioware a grilling just to redeem themselves in the public's eye.......I personally won't pre-order any Bioware game after experiencing Mass3.

Look at what was already said by many of them about Leviathan.  I think they already felt like something had happened and they got caught with their mouths hanging open. 

Make no mistake, I'd like to see a way for this to be turned into something positive where everyone gets something that is real and decent and can help "fix" this.  Review sites-never forgiven because they had no horse in this race and no reason for what they did.  Well, untrue.  They had a reason but were anything but open-minded about it.  I don't want to bash them but I think they started to back away from it all with tepid reviews for Leviathan, in part to admit they kind of get it.  Some of the reviewers have gone so far as to say you've seen the endings so what's the point.  Uh huh.  Well, you know what?  If the ending had been great, even a meh Leviathan would really have had a point.  I wouldn't care if it did something to the ending. It would be for fun's sake alone.  That is exactly the point.

All DLC becomes way more fun and buy-worthy if the ending wasn't so literally a dead end in every way.

[Seival]

Archonsg wrote...

Benchpress610 wrote...

150 pages!!! …wow Dee I’m glad you’re still rocking and rolling, keep it up...I see some old friends from the “we are listening” thread back (sdinc009 how’re you doing).
 
Our heroes keep putting up a good fight… and the trolls still trolling.
 
Ahh…life is good.

Oh I bet more "pro-alt-enders" are around or still around. Most have either grown apathic towards ME3 (as was intended by the EC) and more so have moved on. 
Still, I bet some are still lurking / still want that something more that they know Bioware can do. 
The real question is, will they?

Or like Jade Empires, the Mass Effect world will be left to rot. 

Some anti-enders became pro-enders, the others just left. Only the small vocal group remains. It's only a matter of time, when they will finally give up...

...I suggest you to use your enthusiasm to get used to the endings. It's better than just leaving.

[Dendio1]

The right thing is to continue to develop amazing dlc and don't get hung up on the ending. Keep it moving.

[Dendio1]

Also jade empire is not rotting, its simply in hibernation. Things only rot if they end on a bad note...like say kotor 2 before it was recently finished by a mod group

Modifié par Dendio1, 12 septembre 2012 - 09:54 .

[AresKeith]

Seival wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Benchpress610 wrote...

150 pages!!! …wow Dee I’m glad you’re still rocking and rolling, keep it up...I see some old friends from the “we are listening” thread back (sdinc009 how’re you doing).
 
Our heroes keep putting up a good fight… and the trolls still trolling.
 
Ahh…life is good.

Oh I bet more "pro-alt-enders" are around or still around. Most have either grown apathic towards ME3 (as was intended by the EC) and more so have moved on. 
Still, I bet some are still lurking / still want that something more that they know Bioware can do. 
The real question is, will they?

Or like Jade Empires, the Mass Effect world will be left to rot. 

Some anti-enders became pro-enders, the others just left. Only the small vocal group remains. It's only a matter of time, when they will finally give up...

...I suggest you to use your enthusiasm to get used to the endings. It's better than just leaving.

keep Antagonizing people, your making yourself more hypocritical

[3DandBeyond]

Dendio1 wrote...

The right thing is to continue to develop amazing dlc and don't get hung up on the ending. Keep it moving.

You are welcome to feel that way, but you aren't convincing anyone.  Simply saying that over and over again achieves nothing.  You might be happy with people just giving up on it all and even pro-enders are doing so.  BW needs as many people as possible to see a reason to buy DLC.  I assume you agree with reviewers that liked the ME3 ending?  They aren't saying Leviathan was so amazing and that is partly based on them seeing no reason to expound upon pre-ending and ending content since it won't change it.  That does not speak well for the amazing DLC you want to see more of.

And I agree with you-part of why I started this thread.  I too want to see amazing DLC and want to encourage and help make it possible for them to develop it.  I'd just like them to consider some DLC that makes it possible for a lot of people to find some enjoyment in the endings and then to feel other DLC would be worth buying too.

You feel the endings are fine.  Is there anything I could say or do to change that feeling?  I don't believe so.  So, understand you can't change my feelings either.  And please respect that.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 12 septembre 2012 - 10:21 .

[Archonsg]

Seival wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

Benchpress610 wrote...

150 pages!!! …wow Dee I’m glad you’re still rocking and rolling, keep it up...I see some old friends from the “we are listening” thread back (sdinc009 how’re you doing).
 
Our heroes keep putting up a good fight… and the trolls still trolling.
 
Ahh…life is good.

Oh I bet more "pro-alt-enders" are around or still around. Most have either grown apathic towards ME3 (as was intended by the EC) and more so have moved on. 
Still, I bet some are still lurking / still want that something more that they know Bioware can do. 
The real question is, will they?

Or like Jade Empires, the Mass Effect world will be left to rot. 

Some anti-enders became pro-enders, the others just left. Only the small vocal group remains. It's only a matter of time, when they will finally give up...

...I suggest you to use your enthusiasm to get used to the endings. It's better than just leaving.

Nah.
The endings are what they are. Bad. Saying "get used to them" is like saying you get used to eating crap.
Oh wait, we have MacDonalds. 

But seriously. If that is where you draw the line and say "okies, I accept this." As I said before, good for you.

Me, I still love the world, (been playing MP mostly now) and I still think that there is hope for Mass Effect. I just don't feel that accepting bad workmanship in any form is good practice.

I have to say Props for the EC though, since they finally got allowed the "real" writing team to work at the ending but frankly, there is only so much they could do after Hudson and Walters pulled veeto on what can be done with *thier* vison. But I do recognize it for what it is. For some its good enough. /shrugs 

Modifié par Archonsg, 12 septembre 2012 - 10:19 .

[3DandBeyond]

Seival wrote...

Some anti-enders became pro-enders, the others just left. Only the small vocal group remains. It's only a matter of time, when they will finally give up...

...I suggest you to use your enthusiasm to get used to the endings. It's better than just leaving.

A whole heck of a lot of both types of people just left.  And many that said the endings were now ok, didn't love them and didn't care enough about the game anymore to even keep playing.  In fact, a large group said the endings were ok and they could now play something else and they didn't care about DLC.  That's not a good thing for the game.  Many said the endings were still never what they wanted but were ok and they were done with BW.  That's not good either.

So now you think even more people leaving would be a good thing?  Well, it wouldn't be because games cost a lot to make and companies cannot afford to bleed fans.  However, since you think it makes sense for fans to leave, I assume you have plans to do so.  Don't let the door hit you on the way out.  In case you hadn't noticed, a great many of the people left here don't like the endings.  Once they leave you can go about talking to yourself and then turn out the light when you leave.