3DandBeyond wrote...
Ok, you are being disingenuous here and I suspect you know that. The single biggest issue was the presence of the kid. Period.
www.masseffect-universe.de/feedback/#.UFOOQ1F62SoThis link is to a survey conducted Pre-EC (17,482 people voted on it).
Here is a quote from the conclusion:
In many forums, there currently is a basic, disappointed tenor which is primarily ascribed to the endings and not based on negative experiences with the rest of the game. Because of the broken trust, the message
about the Extended Cut does only little to calm the players. However, exactly this upcoming DLC offers an enormous opportunity to recreate that trust and make Mass Effect 3 the game that it should have been.
Strictly speaking, this is the last chance to make long-time fans happy.More than half of the participants are still skeptical whether the extended cut will be able to solve all problems and now, these fans need to be satisfied. But what should the DLC feature in order to achieve this? We consider the following points to be most important:
- The big question about what happens after the firing of the cruciblehas to be clarified. (What happened to the galaxy, the people, the fleets in the Sol system, the mass relays, etc.)
- The logical gaps have to be filled. (How did Joker escape with the Normandy? Why are the companions who followed Shepard to the beam suddenly aboard the Normandy? What exactly is the Space Child?)
- Which influence and impact do the decisions in ME3 have on the galaxy? (For example, decisions such as the healing of the Genophage; how could it possibly affect the galaxy, how could it affect the endings? Are there any interactions?)
The Catalyst was one of the bigger problems with the ending, but it wasn't the only one. The destruction of the Mass Relays, the fate of the fleet stranded on Sol, and the fate of your Normandy crew were the agreed upon as the biggest problems of the ending. They retconned/changed all of those in the Extended Cut. The Catalyst was also mitigated with extended dialogue.
I was here during the entirety of the ending fiasco and most people were very upset about the implied fate of the galaxy. So no I'm not being disingenuous and I don't appreciate your arrogant tone.
You know full well why people feel control and synthesis damns the galaxy, so don't play this game. I know you know why. I also know that you are aware I was not saying synthetics die in control and synthesis but was saying that about destroy. Why act like this? I don't consider you to be un-smart, so why do this?
The bolded part almost made me ignore your entire post. You're implying that I know that I'm wrong and this simply isn't fair.
It's a fact that you're not damning the galaxy because what we see on screen shows otherwise. Everyone that does argue that the Reapers are still trouble are only choosing to interpret it that way. One popular argument is that Shepard will eventually lose control of the Reapers or that the Reapers are indoctrinating everyone in Synthesis. It sounds like one giant ass conspiracy theory after another.
No one that really thinks about control would see that as making sense to people living in the galaxy. They have watched these monsters destroy whole colonies, murder family and friends and tear a whole in their lives. They have people goo in them. I don't care if the reapers are now going to vomit money and puppies. It is illogical to think people would welcome them with open arms and say all is forgiven if you'll just fix everything. They can't fix what's been lost. They've killed trillions. And no one would know Shepard essence is controlling them. They would wonder what the hell is up with them. And Shepard might well have to split the baby at some point when one side of the Many wants to fight with some other group of Manys. The galaxy has always existed and evolved using reaper influence and this promotes it
Since you've been telling me not to play dumb. I'll tell you the same thing. Use your brain. The galaxy knows the Reapers have been changed in some way and this was thanks to the Crucible. If they didn't then they would find out sooner or later. It's not as confusing to them as you make it sound.
And synthesis changes people internally - it changes all organics internally and gives synthetics full understanding of organics (that no longer exist). Yeah, ok that's realistic. Somehow this ignorant AI is able to give synthetics full understanding of organics (that no longer exist). And the tech within people will begin a cascade of events that is meant to achieve what the kid sees as inevitable as the end stage of evolution (that in itself is insane-synthesis will never be a part of natural evolution, nor would the augmentation with tech ever be created by evolution-both would always be artificial processes, not of nature). If synthesis fully integrates tech within people (this is reaper tech), then people again will not evolve on their own, will not innovate based on their own learning, will again be doomed to walk a path created by reapers. Yay.
The AI doesn't actually inact synthesis. The Crucible in combination of Shepard's "organic energy" and the Citadel/Relay network do. We see this ingame. In Bioware's fiction, they believe that evolution has an apex. The galaxy isn't at their apex just because of Synthesis. It just accelerated that evolution and gave organics and synthetics the necessary tools to live "the lives they always wanted."
Just as a disclaimer, I don't even like Synthesis. I don't believe in forcing that kind of change in people no matter the benefits. However the last part of your comment has leaps in logic and for the most part it's speculation.
In both cases, the reapers still exist. I can see no rational person in either instance in the game being overjoyed to have these things in their lives. They were abominations created by the forced integration (sound familiar) of organic and maybe synthetic intelligence (but they're mindless), created merely to keep doing this same thing. They utilize organic component material to create cores and forms of reapers. So, quite literally that reaper down the street may be your cousin Bob. He doesn't look so good and he can't talk to you, but hey, he's in there. And both of these also leave banshees, husks, brutes, and so on running around doing whatever. They are drones, so what the heck are they after these choices are made? Destroy as it is now all but ensures synthetics will be in conflict with organics in the future. It does this because any newly created synthetics would know that organics felt it was acceptable to destroy synthetics to save organics. It would be a part of the culture that exists after the war.
No, Destroy does not ensure new synthetics will be in conflict with organics. You're saying that synthetics will recognize the fact that organics have self-preservation instincts like they do. You're SUGGESTING that synthetics are IRRATIONAL.
SYNTHETICS ARE NOT LIKE ORGANICS. They think with 1s and 0s. They're practical and logical. They'll look at the past and see that the whole Reaper fiasco was started because of organic/synthetic conflict. The fact that organics can build the Crucible to destroy all synthetics would do the exact opposite of what you believe would happen. I can easily make an argument about how synthetics would actually try to strengthen relations with organics to prevent new conflict from occuring. If synthetics try to start up conflict again, then organics would be forced to build another Crucible to shut them off.
You have your opinion, but really don't mischaracterize things said. You think these choices don't damn the galaxy. I do. I think they destroy what makes life worth living. It's not life at any cost. It's life worth living at a cost that does not destroy all that. It's creating an uncertain future that is far more likely to be problematic and tortuous than even dying would be.
And thanks so much for your last statement. Really nice.I go to great lengths to explain what I think repeatedly and they made ambiguous endings. They didn't give them good explanation. You have been around here long enough to have read some of my long posts and I've fully explained everything I said that you characterize as exaggeration. I'm not exaggerating. My opinion is the endings as they currently are do damn the galaxy. That's not exaggeration but rational and reasonable extrapolation of what they've shown. They have not even adhered to their own story and we paid them money for it.
But, now I'm said to be over-hyping things. The irony.
Oh wow that's hilarious. I'm not attacking you for holding a certain opinion.
I made my post because it's pretty clear that you believe your opinion about the galaxy being damned is fact. There is a clear discrepancy between what your interpretation of the endings is and what is actually being presented on screen.
You've contradicted yourself because earlier you were so sure that the endings presented a certain damnation of the galaxy. Now you're saying they're too ambigious. It's statements like these that make it hard for Bioware to really get what exactly the fanbase wants. That's why you see them focusing more on surveys and polls rather than looking at anrgy BSN letters.
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