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[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
The quetion of morals is a quetion of consequences. That what casues moral conflict. You stuck between what is moraly right to you and what is logiclly right and the reality that you have to choose.
That the very core of moral conflict.

I just gave you an example where morality is irrelevant. You either let Ashley or Kaiden die. Morals and consequences are not the same unless you are a hardcore consequentialist. If you are, then fair enough.

Ofcourse morality is an issues in that choice as well as. Let say you in  romance with Ashley but you find Kaiden to be more useful.
Which do you choose?

Whatyou not getting is the question of morality is relitive. Different from one person to another. You didn't find the choice hard because you just pick who you like, you morality did not conflict with that...but others...

thats a terrible example

No it's not. Many people had this issue in ME1. Taht is a quetstion many people had to deal with in that choice.

if people wanted to romance Ashley, they'll kill Kaidan and if they don't wanna romance her then they go by who they liked more. Also show me where people had this issue, if not then try again

But it's not so black and white. As I stated before, whatif the player find Kaiden to be more useful...In fact too useful to lose.
It is amoral issue of a commader playing favortism if they just blindly pick Ashley becasue they are romanicly involved. That is the moral issue.

[KENNY4753]

@dreman9999 Seriously, why do you feel the need to argue with everything that you don't agree with. We all know by now that you don't take other people's opinions into consideration, you just reply with the same comments over and over again. People don't listen to you for a reason. After seeing the same comment about morality and moral conflict from you people stop taking you seriously. I don't want to sound rude but just give it a rest already. Half of your replies end up dragging a thread off topic and the other half make no sense.

[Applepie_Svk]

dreman9999 wrote...
Ofcourse morality is an issues in that choice as well as. Let say you in  romance with Ashley but you find Kaiden to be more useful.
Which do you choose?

Whatyou not getting is the question of morality is relitive. Different from one person to another. You didn't find the choice hard because you just pick who you like, you morality did not conflict with that...but others...

God... if I could left them both back on Virmire 

[3DandBeyond]

Netsfn1427 wrote...


I'm approaching this from the point of free DLC (like an update) and where you don't need MP to achieve the optimal ending you require, since you shouldn't need MP to achieve anything in a SP campaign. (And I say that having enjoyed MP) So in this scenario anyone who wants to be relatively completionist, which isn't too hard since ME's side quests are mostly quick fetch quests, can get this ending. And as for the free part, I would find it morally wrong to charge for a new ending. (Bioware did too, otherwise, they'd not have released the free EC.) Plus it sets a bad precedent. 

By the way, what you're describing about consquences for not doing enough, are already in the game. The only difference is that you have to sacrifice EDI and the Geth even in a destroy+ ending. You seem to results in the same thing, just no EDI/Geth death, which is of course, removing a major consequence. 

And it's implied you don't want consequences, when you state you want  the ending to be more uplifiting. Or more to the point, you want consequences that you deem acceptable. So what is an acceptable sacrifice then? Half the galaxy? A third of it? The loss of the relay system entirely? I'm curious, because you talked about your Shepard's moral compass, so I'd love to know the acceptable amount of losses for him/her. 

I'm approaching this from the standpoint of specifically not asking Bioware to do something for free and instead trying to seek a compromise from all parties involved.  I'm asking Bioware to look at this and see if it would be something they could compromise and do if we the interested other parties are willing to compromise and pay for it.

What bad precedent?  Apparently you are unaware that game companies are already doing such things.  Some games being released now in fact have no endings, but are episodes of content that one day will end with pay for content.  Other games have had amended endings for pay.  There is no precedent to be set here-it exists.

There is no morality in deciding what you'd be willing to pay for or what a company charges for with a video game.  There are choices you can decide to agree to or not.  DLC is not a moral issue or an immoral issue.  It's all about what suits you. 

You don't care to have any additional ending.  I get that.  And it appears that there are an awful lot of people that think as long as they have what they like then that's all that matters.  I don't live my life like that.  If the reverse were true, I'd support your wishes because this is a game and a lot of people are not happy.  I prefer for people to be happy.  It's less about me than it is about others.   And this does not and would not affect those that don't want it.  I think it is so sad that anyone can assert that it would.  I think it says something about the values that others have if they can't stop insisting it's all about what they want.  Sure, I'm asking for something I want.  But I'm asking Bioware for that and I'm asking to pay for that.  A lot of other people are telling me I have no right to ask for it because it would somehow ruin their lives.  Wow.

[Netsfn1427]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ok, this again is ridiculous.  You saw the original endings right?  So, does that mean you don't like the EC because the Normandy is still stuck on some jungle planet and all the relays are destroyed?  I doubt it and you saw that.  If BW made optional content that you had to pay for, are you seriously telling me that if you didn't buy it, it would ruin your game?  Really?

If that's what you are saying, that's ridiculous.  I'm sorry.  But, if I had an ending I liked and I knew that Synthesis, the ending you like, existed, it would not bother me.

The LotSB content  affects Miranda how?  It only affects it as in ME3 they continued with that as if it happened for everyone.

However, this always comes back to people that have what they like not wanting to give even an inch.  Talk about selfish.  You're happy so who the hell cares about anyone else.  Well, frankly this is a very sad thing here.  God knows, I wouldn't want to ruin your game because that is all that matters.  This may sound harsh and it is, but I have suggested continually here, optional content that would not be in your game and might bring back a lot of customers that have games they can't play or won't play right now and that might make BW some money and might make more DLC viable, because reviewers did not love Leviathan.  I have repeatedly been called selfish and worse for suggesting content in a way that purposely would do nothing to your game.  But, by all means I would not want to insult your sensitivities by suggesting content that you would never have to see, that would still ruin your game.  Wow.

I'd think at this point you might be willing to think of others beside yourself and what is best for you, especially when it would not affect you.

Actually you're being selfish. A lot of people like the endings. Beyond the in-game consquences of an additonal ending, there's real world consequence too. If EA/Bioware want to invest resources in additional content, people who like the endings or don't have too much of a problem with them would rather it invested in new non-ending related content. Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources. What you're asking means less SP DLC involving other things we might like to explore in the ME universe. So don't pretend that people who don't want a new ending are doing it just because we're mean.  Since it's likely ME3 is the last time we're getting to roll with Shepard, new ending content means were get even fewer experiences with him/her. 

You may not care about additional content because you hate the endings. Fine. But those of us that don't hate them would like more. 

[dreman9999]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Ofcourse morality is an issues in that choice as well as. Let say you in  romance with Ashley but you find Kaiden to be more useful.
Which do you choose?

Whatyou not getting is the question of morality is relitive. Different from one person to another. You didn't find the choice hard because you just pick who you like, you morality did not conflict with that...but others...

God... if I could left them both back on Virmire 

AsI said before...Morality is subjective.

[3DandBeyond]

KENNY4753 wrote...

@dreman9999 Seriously, why do you feel the need to argue with everything that you don't agree with. We all know by now that you don't take other people's opinions into consideration, you just reply with the same comments over and over again. People don't listen to you for a reason. After seeing the same comment about morality and moral conflict from you people stop taking you seriously. I don't want to sound rude but just give it a rest already. Half of your replies end up dragging a thread off topic and the other half make no sense.

Secretly, I think he supports the thread.  I can't think of any other reason.  I think some people feel personally offended and just want to tell others how to think and feel.

[KENNY4753]

3DandBeyond wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

@dreman9999 Seriously, why do you feel the need to argue with everything that you don't agree with. We all know by now that you don't take other people's opinions into consideration, you just reply with the same comments over and over again. People don't listen to you for a reason. After seeing the same comment about morality and moral conflict from you people stop taking you seriously. I don't want to sound rude but just give it a rest already. Half of your replies end up dragging a thread off topic and the other half make no sense.

Secretly, I think he supports the thread.  I can't think of any other reason.  I think some people feel personally offended and just want to tell others how to think and feel.

I lol'ed at that comment. I'm serious though that he draws multiple threads off topic awith the same arguments and doesn't listen to what others have to say. Oh well, whether he likes it or not I did love the your OP

[dreman9999]

KENNY4753 wrote...

@dreman9999 Seriously, why do you feel the need to argue with everything that you don't agree with. We all know by now that you don't take other people's opinions into consideration, you just reply with the same comments over and over again. People don't listen to you for a reason. After seeing the same comment about morality and moral conflict from you people stop taking you seriously. I don't want to sound rude but just give it a rest already. Half of your replies end up dragging a thread off topic and the other half make no sense.

I do take what you say in consideration. My point is to bring up the fact you conconsider not bw's. By now you should realise that they are not going the add an easy way out.
I get you don't like the ending choices. Nothing will convince you other wise.  My point is that nothing you say will change BW mind on this and the BW always said they were going to give the player hard choices to deal with. Your not going to get your easy way out.

Modifié par dreman9999, 19 septembre 2012 - 07:36 .

[Jonathan Sud]

I'm hoping for the puzzle theory to be true, but I'll toss my pleads into this basket too

[AresKeith]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ok, this again is ridiculous.  You saw the original endings right?  So, does that mean you don't like the EC because the Normandy is still stuck on some jungle planet and all the relays are destroyed?  I doubt it and you saw that.  If BW made optional content that you had to pay for, are you seriously telling me that if you didn't buy it, it would ruin your game?  Really?

If that's what you are saying, that's ridiculous.  I'm sorry.  But, if I had an ending I liked and I knew that Synthesis, the ending you like, existed, it would not bother me.

The LotSB content  affects Miranda how?  It only affects it as in ME3 they continued with that as if it happened for everyone.

However, this always comes back to people that have what they like not wanting to give even an inch.  Talk about selfish.  You're happy so who the hell cares about anyone else.  Well, frankly this is a very sad thing here.  God knows, I wouldn't want to ruin your game because that is all that matters.  This may sound harsh and it is, but I have suggested continually here, optional content that would not be in your game and might bring back a lot of customers that have games they can't play or won't play right now and that might make BW some money and might make more DLC viable, because reviewers did not love Leviathan.  I have repeatedly been called selfish and worse for suggesting content in a way that purposely would do nothing to your game.  But, by all means I would not want to insult your sensitivities by suggesting content that you would never have to see, that would still ruin your game.  Wow.

I'd think at this point you might be willing to think of others beside yourself and what is best for you, especially when it would not affect you.

Actually you're being selfish. A lot of people like the endings. Beyond the in-game consquences of an additonal ending, there's real world consequence too. If EA/Bioware want to invest resources in additional content, people who like the endings or don't have too much of a problem with them would rather it invested in new non-ending related content. Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources. What you're asking means less SP DLC involving other things we might like to explore in the ME universe. So don't pretend that people who don't want a new ending are doing it just because we're mean.  Since it's likely ME3 is the last time we're getting to roll with Shepard, new ending content means were get even fewer experiences with him/her. 

You may not care about additional content because you hate the endings. Fine. But those of us that don't hate them would like more. 

how is it being selfish when we wanna feel the same way you do about the endings, to me that makes you sound like a hypocrite because you don't want us to like the ending.

If your so against the suggestion of a DLC that you don't have to buy, how would you feel if they did this through pre-ending DLCs which you can still avoid the ending that where suggestion?

[Snypy]

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Modifié par Snypy, 19 septembre 2012 - 07:38 .

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

@dreman9999 Seriously, why do you feel the need to argue with everything that you don't agree with. We all know by now that you don't take other people's opinions into consideration, you just reply with the same comments over and over again. People don't listen to you for a reason. After seeing the same comment about morality and moral conflict from you people stop taking you seriously. I don't want to sound rude but just give it a rest already. Half of your replies end up dragging a thread off topic and the other half make no sense.

I do take what you say in consideration. My point is to bring up the fact you conconsider bw's. By now you should realise that they are not going the add an easy way out.
I get you don't like the ending choices. Nothing will convince other wise.  My point is that nothin gyou say will change BW mind on this and the BW always said they were going to give the player hard choices to deal with. Your not going to get your easy way out.

but asking for a change doesn't mean an easy way out. If somebody wants a way for destroy to only target the reapers and not EDI or the geth and they want a clear scene showing Shepard living that is not nescessarily an easy way out. For one, the crucible isn't even fully complete (the Catalyst says this) so if we get it fully complete why should there not be a way to only take out the Reapers.

and please leave all morality arguments out of this.

[JamieCOTC]

Ieldra2 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...
You can bring together the quarians and the geth with Rannoch, but in the end you can't even discuss that.  It's not about moral issues alone.  It's about not even being able to use common sense or any sense.  It's not being given full and rational information about the choices and being able to make decisions based on reasons.  You have to guess a lot of what they mean and then make a choice.  That's not about making a tough choice-it's about making a choice without knowing what you are doing exactly.

While we'll have to agree to disagree about the moral dimension, I have to agree with this. While I don't see the ending options as exactly incompatible with the story, they certainly don't grow organically out of the story. There is not enough foreshadowing, not enough hints that something like Synthesis might exist, that controlling the Reapers is a viable option regardless of the means TIM uses to achieve it. The ending should feel like "Ah, so *that*  is what it was all about. Now it all makes sense". Instead, it feels like "You can't be serious" and you need a lot of mental wriggling to make it make sense. That I can make it make  (some) sense for me is no credit to the writers, and that I like outcome of the ending options doesn't mean I like the way they come about. 

Spot on. What's even more frustrating is that in an earlier version of the script, Shepard is considered the blueprint for synthesis. We don’t find this out until the end conversation w/ the Guardian, who became the Catalyst, but it does link back to something that is real w/in the game world. Why they cut that out ... oh yeah, "speculation from everyone." <_<

[Applepie_Svk]

Jonathan Sud wrote...

I'm hoping for the puzzle theory to be true, but I'll toss my pleads into this basket too

I was hoping for awhile too, but I think that BWT is more accurate

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreman9999 wrote...

But it's not so black and white. As I stated before, whatif the player find Kaiden to be more useful...In fact too useful to lose.
It is amoral issue of a commader playing favortism if they just blindly pick Ashley becasue they are romanicly involved. That is the moral issue.

That's not a moral issue, you're not judging your options bases of ethics, in this scenario, it's an issue of practicality and preference. You ask yourself if you want an LI or a useful squadmate? Being useful does not constitute an ethical obligation, neither does a romance.

[3DandBeyond]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Actually you're being selfish. A lot of people like the endings. Beyond the in-game consquences of an additonal ending, there's real world consequence too. If EA/Bioware want to invest resources in additional content, people who like the endings or don't have too much of a problem with them would rather it invested in new non-ending related content. Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources. What you're asking means less SP DLC involving other things we might like to explore in the ME universe. So don't pretend that people who don't want a new ending are doing it just because we're mean.  Since it's likely ME3 is the last time we're getting to roll with Shepard, new ending content means were get even fewer experiences with him/her. 

You may not care about additional content because you hate the endings. Fine. But those of us that don't hate them would like more. 

No, I'm not.  I'm actually taking all that into consideration.  Which you'd know if you read any of the thread before commenting on one specific part of it.

Go and take a look at the reviews for Leviathan.  Ardent supporters (IGN, G4TV, Game Informer) were not in love with it.  In fact, some called it pointless.  IGN released a list of the top 100RPGs of all time.  Guess what wasn't on there?  Want to know what was?  ME1 and 2.  But not 3.  Skyrim was. 

Want to know why I started this thread.  Read my OP.  Beyond that there's a real personal thing that made break down in tears.  It's because of a friend I have and ME3 was what he spent his whole year's entertainment budget on.  I won't bore you with his story in total, but suffice to say, he loved ME1 and 2 and he can't play ME3.  It's ruined 3 games for him.  And I came up with an idea that may not be perfect, but it was an idea of how to use compromise and to try and turn this around into a better, nicer discussion.  Sure, I'm thinking of myself, but in all that I also thought of a way that would bring in money and bring back fans to BW.

BW has been bleeding fans and the review sites are an indication.  Do you read the comments on the web all over the place?  Well, I've read a lot and there is a meh feeling about BW and ME, especially.  Even people that liked the ending think it's done.  Do you want more ME?  I do.  If it's good.  I looked for a way to use compromise to help with that.  Fewer fans won't help to keep the franchise going.  And DLC will need to deliver.

A lot of people may seem to like the endings, but have you read what "like" means?  I have.  A lot of people say they're ok, better, not great, not enough, fine, but not so many love them.  I loved ME1's ending and ME2's ending.  I don't hear that many people saying they love ME3's.  I also don't hear a lot of legacy players saying they really like them and that they fit with ME.  That doesn't speak well if you want ME-type games to continue.

You apparently never read my OP, formed an opinion here, and even said additions to the current ending would be wrong because too many people would want it.  Well, that sounds like a winner to me.  No company ever wants to sell something too many people want.  @dreman9999 used the same argument before.  It's not an argument.  It's you agreeing with me.  If a lot of people want it, that means a lot of people don't have an ending they like.  Sounds like a winner.

[Ieldra]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
Indeed. I've said that since day one of this thread, and no matter how many times 3D and others claim the opposite, adding one ending that's in an objective way better does affect the others. It would make anymore who chose a different ending feel bad about it. The simple knowledge that an easier alternative exists would destroy the balance, just like, for instance, the knowledge of the optional content in LotSB affects Miranda as a character, regardless of whether you have installed it or not.

Ok, this again is ridiculous.  You saw the original endings right?  So, does that mean you don't like the EC because the Normandy is still stuck on some jungle planet and all the relays are destroyed?  I doubt it and you saw that.  If BW made optional content that you had to pay for, are you seriously telling me that if you didn't buy it, it would ruin your game?  Really?

If that's what you are saying, that's ridiculous.  I'm sorry.  But, if I had an ending I liked and I knew that Synthesis, the ending you like, existed, it would not bother me.

Yes, because you see it as inferior. But how could I not see an ending with no moral compromise *and* no *added* heavy price paid for that as superior? If there was such an ending, I would still like the outcome of Synthesis, but I don't know if I could justify choosing it any more. The same with others - faced with such an ending, you wouldn't have a justification to choose any other. Unless you added a downside with equal weight, and then, what's the point?

You say I'm ridiculous, but the plain fact is you are wilfully ignorant of the effect of adding an ending like the one you want. I'll ask, not for the first time: what kind of significant sacrifice would you accept in your ending to balance out the fact that none of the downsides of the other endings are in it? If you answer "none", then you've proven my point. If you can give me a suggestion or two, maybe we can come to an agreement.

The LotSB content  affects Miranda how?  It only affects it as in ME3 they continued with that as if it happened for everyone.

Have you read the dossier? The point is that I can't just pretend these things don't exist. They affect how she is perceived regardless of whether or not I have LotSB.

I'd think at this point you might be willing to think of others beside yourself and what is best for you, especially when it would not affect you.

I maintain that it would affect me. That's the whole point of it. I have plausibly explained why, and it's not for you to say that it wouldn't. You can choose to ignore that, but then it's you who's selfish.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 19 septembre 2012 - 07:50 .

[3DandBeyond]

KENNY4753 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

@dreman9999 Seriously, why do you feel the need to argue with everything that you don't agree with. We all know by now that you don't take other people's opinions into consideration, you just reply with the same comments over and over again. People don't listen to you for a reason. After seeing the same comment about morality and moral conflict from you people stop taking you seriously. I don't want to sound rude but just give it a rest already. Half of your replies end up dragging a thread off topic and the other half make no sense.

Secretly, I think he supports the thread.  I can't think of any other reason.  I think some people feel personally offended and just want to tell others how to think and feel.

I lol'ed at that comment. I'm serious though that he draws multiple threads off topic awith the same arguments and doesn't listen to what others have to say. Oh well, whether he likes it or not I did love the your OP

Hey thank you.  It means a lot that you say that, truly.

[Snypy]

Netsfn1427 wrote...

Actually you're being selfish. A lot of people like the endings. Beyond the in-game consquences of an additonal ending, there's real world consequence too. If EA/Bioware want to invest resources in additional content, people who like the endings or don't have too much of a problem with them would rather it invested in new non-ending related content. Bioware doesn't have unlimited resources. What you're asking means less SP DLC involving other things we might like to explore in the ME universe. So don't pretend that people who don't want a new ending are doing it just because we're mean.  Since it's likely ME3 is the last time we're getting to roll with Shepard, new ending content means were get even fewer experiences with him/her. 

You may not care about additional content because you hate the endings. Fine. But those of us that don't hate them would like more. 

I don't think you're right. Firstly, if a lot of people liked the endings, we wouldn't be having this discussion six months after the game was released. The fact that people discuss the endings all the time -- not only here on BSN but elsewhere as well -- means that they're not truly satisfied with them. Secondly, your point about being selfish is ridiculous. Many customers could argue that the Kinetic support and the multiplayer have no value for them. And yet, those customers paid the same price for the game. Is it fair, given the fact that resources need to develop the Kinetic and the MP could've been used to make the SP better?

Moreover, there very well might not be further DLCs after the Retake Omega, because it's clear from players' opinions that many of them have no interest in additional content which doesn't affect the ending one bit.

Modifié par Snypy, 19 septembre 2012 - 07:50 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The problem I have with these stupid turdtastic endings is that all of them. Every single one of them go against everything I believe. In reality the only one that comes even remotely close is refuse.

The ending is the worst s*** f*** choices I've seen put together. What the hell were they thinking? We're still arguing about this six months later?

Synthesis? I'm taking away everyone's freedom of choice to achieve some sort of galactic bull**** peace-love between the reaper god, reaper, husk, synthetic, and organic by molecular molestation, not knowing if everyone is going to accept it, and I'm not going to be around to answer for it. Starbrat is going to be there to oversee the whole thing. Enjoy your new galactic order.

Control? Whoa! This one is heavy. Power. I get to have all the power in the galaxy except it's not me. It's the Starbrat with a new coding module added. I wonder how that's going to work out after 50,000 years?

Destroy? So I worked my ass off cured the genophage, made peace between the Quarians and the Geth, now I get to kill my allies, and destroy the galactic infrastructure, which, BTW we have absolutely no idea how to rebuild. And I get to have an implication of hope that Shepard might have survived, and that's all.

Refuse? I get to stand by my morals and just die, but I doom the galaxy.

How can anyone defend any of these endings? The only time destroy is palatable is if the Geth aren't there, otherwise it is indefensible.

The ending is like playing tic tac toe. There is never a winner. The only way to win is not to play. That is the game that Mac Walters and Casey Hudson gave us. Quit to dashboard is the win. Ctrl-Alt-Del is the win.

The ending is insane. You argue with insane things: TIM and Starbrat. You can at least convince TIM he's insane and he'll suicide. Starbrat? there's no way to convince him he's nuts, that his programming is faulty and that he was programmed by flawed stupid cuttlefish. There's no way to convince him that he's destroying what he was created to protect. There's no way to convince him that he IS the problem. Instead they have Shepard go brain dead and just give up.

Mass Effect 3 is a study in what not to do in video game story writing. The Intro really sucks. From Mars to Thessia is very good. Thessia to Priority Earth is mediocre. Priority Earth is bad. And the ending blows.

As for people who liked the endings... would they have preferred an ending where they could have seen their choices in action, where they could have actually role played their Shepard and had Shepard make a difference? where they could have had the super Suicide Mission and not necessarily ending with the boss fight from hell, but with something that really would have mattered? And had everything end with closure?

Or would they have rather had what we got originally? Or the polished turd we got with the EC with no closure?

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 19 septembre 2012 - 07:54 .

[KENNY4753]

3DandBeyond wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

@dreman9999 Seriously, why do you feel the need to argue with everything that you don't agree with. We all know by now that you don't take other people's opinions into consideration, you just reply with the same comments over and over again. People don't listen to you for a reason. After seeing the same comment about morality and moral conflict from you people stop taking you seriously. I don't want to sound rude but just give it a rest already. Half of your replies end up dragging a thread off topic and the other half make no sense.

Secretly, I think he supports the thread.  I can't think of any other reason.  I think some people feel personally offended and just want to tell others how to think and feel.

I lol'ed at that comment. I'm serious though that he draws multiple threads off topic awith the same arguments and doesn't listen to what others have to say. Oh well, whether he likes it or not I did love the your OP

Hey thank you.  It means a lot that you say that, truly.

Your welcome 

[Jonathan Sud]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Jonathan Sud wrote...

I'm hoping for the puzzle theory to be true, but I'll toss my pleads into this basket too

I was hoping for awhile too, but I think that BWT is more accurate

BWT?

[ShepnTali]

Jonathan Sud wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Jonathan Sud wrote...

I'm hoping for the puzzle theory to be true, but I'll toss my pleads into this basket too

I was hoping for awhile too, but I think that BWT is more accurate

BWT?

Bad writing theory.

 

[Jonathan Sud]

ShepnTali wrote...

Jonathan Sud wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Jonathan Sud wrote...

I'm hoping for the puzzle theory to be true, but I'll toss my pleads into this basket too

I was hoping for awhile too, but I think that BWT is more accurate

BWT?

Bad writing theory.

 

Oh lol. Of course.