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[Dragoonlordz]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BioWare will ultimately address this flaw in their game. The economics will be too compelling. And the people there who ultimately decide to do it, won't care about "art." They'll do it because it makes money for shareholders.

This is under the assumption that the majority loathed the EC.

If this is then the laws of mighty Capitalism will take it from here and they will eventually release new "ending DLC" But that's the thing, the majority doesn't loathe it. Hell I'd even argue that some of those that didn't like it wouldn't pay extra for an ending they would like.

It isn't really an assumption.  In addition to various polls on the issue, I have spoken to several retailers about this.  Uniformly they report that players really disliked the endings (including the EC) because it isn't consistent with what they thought they were getting.  It wasn't like the other two installments.  This is the sentiment of the "vast majority."

More importantly, they report that their customers who were most likely to dislike the endings were players who pre-ordered the game, particularly those who came to "launch night" events.  So the more dedicated fans were more likely to have a strong negative reaction to the game's ending. 

It is actually quite amusing to talk to them.  Almost all of them played the game themselves.  And even the store personnel disliked the endings.  So in addition to disappointing BioWare's loyal fans, they have lost some the cache they had earned with retailers, who really deal with gamers on a daily basis.

Thus my conclusion that someone who is just a savvy business person will ultimately see the value in addressing what is an obvious market opportunity.

So you assume we should take your word for it that these magical people we have never met and you imply said x, y or z; both exist and said what you claim? Sorry does not work like that. You have no idea about vast majority. I asked 5 thousand people if they liked it and they all said it was best thing since sliced bread, see how your argument works now go prove I did not ask 5 thousand people who said that. You have no proof you asked anyone, no proof they said what you claim and the old polls have been shot down and discredited many times regarding which side has majority vs minority. The only thing you can say for sure is a lot of people hated the endings originally and a fair amount of that group were satisfied with EC. Because that is what the polls actually imply.

[AresKeith]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

And this is selfish too. In fact, even more so, since the objective is to please the happy even more. 

Those of us who like the game are not as selfish as those who do not. You had EC, even Leviathan was partially ending related even if did not change the ending it explains the backstory of what the Catalyst is and how it came to be. Omega is potentially the first DLC not in theory relating to the ending.

that just a blatant lie. seriously. 
WE all got the damn EC and it was optional. 
so dont go saying those that didnt like the game got something more than you did 

your side of the argument is "to stop some people from getting what they want is least selfish"
while the other side "wants those that got the least to get something they want"

and you call that selfish, you should be ashamed of yourself. seriously.

Nonsense. Your logic is false. The other side is not saying those who got least get something they want while I am according to you saying stop them getting what they want. Your bias is so blatent it is shocking and the fact you resorted to term drone in your edit further makes your standpoint obvious. I am saying their have been two ending related DLC's and I want a non ending one. The other side is saying they want a third ending related DLC.

An internet tough guy, VS the king of internet tough guys.

Who will win, who will be victorious? Whos internet dignity will be left intact, so that others may gaze upon it worthlessly?

Find out, tonight at 7pm EST.

IT'S THE BRAWL TO PIN THE INTERNET TO THE WALL!

how much are the tickets?

[3DandBeyond]

robertthebard wrote...


It was announced as Shepard's last dance.  The end of the trilogy.  I asked this before and was ignored, but again, BioWare already has problems with the community due to protagonists that are still alive, but not part of the story, see the Dragon Age forums.  Why would they want to inflict that upon themselves again.  I have seen "they should have just killed off the Warden, or Hawke to end it, instead of 'they ride off into the sunset'".  So now, it's "you should have let us see him ride off into the sunset" despite the fact that there have been posts on this very forum that stated that w/out Shepard, there is no ME universe.

You say you ask for it back, but you support Synthesis?  I took my Paragon Shep back through the other night, after Leviathan, to see the dialog changes, and you know what, I didn't see one line in the dialog that said "Can I just shoot the tube now please?".  I despise the whole concept, and you know that I do, we've been down this road before, but you are oversensationalizing to make a point.  The topic title is sensationalized too, and erroneous.  The right thing, according to me, would be to add a legend save at the beam in London.  That's my ideal ending.  I did everything I could, but in the end, they were just too strong.  If I could export at that point, I'd be ecstatic about it, I thought that would have been the ultimate ending to the series.  But I digress, in the vid after, it does show Thessia in ruins, or part of it, it does show Earth in ruins, or part of it.  We saw Palaven early, and I don't recall if there's a shot or not, and we saw the galaxy map on the way in to Earth.  I don't know what Synthesis, Control or Refusal show, as I have two saves there, and both chose Destroy.  One died, and got a funeral, the other didn't die, which I feel was a mistake on BioWare's part, since Shepard is done, might as well let Shepard be done.

No I don't support any of these endings, least of all synthesis.  And I have always appreciated your view and if I had my wish, your ending would be one of many-total annihilation would happen, but there would be some way to achieve the opposite.  The endings now are contrived and unreal to me.  I'd have rather seen (truly I would) leaders that calculate Earth is lost and that decide the citadel is the source of power for the reapers or the focal point and they work to destroy it which unfortunately also destroys Earth.  This makes more sense than the geth and EDI gratuitous deaths.

I did feel that the endings should have been more about how good or bad you are at accomplishing the goal of defeating (destroying, obliterating) the reapers and that some way of making it happen could have been logically put into the story, even if it was the Batarians studying the Leviathans of Dis that found a weakness-imagine the irony.

I never wanted one super sappy happy ending-I wanted a variety.  But, I have come to the conclusion that we did get what we got and any change I'd prefer would be a total ending rewrite.  What I now suggest is more minor changes that would fit what we've been given and wouldn't involve that much work.

[Reptilian Rob]

AresKeith wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

And this is selfish too. In fact, even more so, since the objective is to please the happy even more. 

Those of us who like the game are not as selfish as those who do not. You had EC, even Leviathan was partially ending related even if did not change the ending it explains the backstory of what the Catalyst is and how it came to be. Omega is potentially the first DLC not in theory relating to the ending.

that just a blatant lie. seriously. 
WE all got the damn EC and it was optional. 
so dont go saying those that didnt like the game got something more than you did 

your side of the argument is "to stop some people from getting what they want is least selfish"
while the other side "wants those that got the least to get something they want"

and you call that selfish, you should be ashamed of yourself. seriously.

Nonsense. Your logic is false. The other side is not saying those who got least get something they want while I am according to you saying stop them getting what they want. Your bias is so blatent it is shocking and the fact you resorted to term drone in your edit further makes your standpoint obvious. I am saying their have been two ending related DLC's and I want a non ending one. The other side is saying they want a third ending related DLC.

An internet tough guy, VS the king of internet tough guys.

Who will win, who will be victorious? Whos internet dignity will be left intact, so that others may gaze upon it worthlessly?

Find out, tonight at 7pm EST.

IT'S THE BRAWL TO PIN THE INTERNET TO THE WALL!

how much are the tickets?

Free, but you have to get them in random MP packs. 

[Wrath of Bastila Shan]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Wrath of Bastila Shan wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

So is the Geth sacrifice in Destroy or the 300K batarians in Arrival.

That was the point I was getting at, all those oversimplifications are flawed.

Shepard wasn't actively seeking to kill any of those people. His hands were tied. He did what he had to do.

MegaSovereign gets it.

It's because Mega is actually one of the only intelligent people on these forums...

Yes.  And that is what is so good about this game/series.  Making the tough choices and sacrificing your life for your friends and the galaxy.  Not too many games/stories like that.

[Dragoonlordz]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Thats fallacy, what you actually saying is why are the books not infinite. Just because new content is added does not mean it is cut. When you buy a trilogy of books the last book is not cut from the first, it is adding to it at a later date.

That´s not fallacy, in original ending we have no idea and valid proof about main antagonist´s existence til last 10 minutes and Leviathan as its creators or origin of Crucible, but with EC we get retcon and yet they keep with they plan that´s why Leviathan in fact just confirming what we already knew from the EC because it wasn´t planned. 

Yes they add it at a later date but they also ask for money - and the magnitude of this DLC in story is greater than anything other which we already saw past 2 previous games because it´s has answers for purpose and existence of the Reapers ...

And it´s difference betwen 
"new content which expanding upon the story"  and "content which belongs to core theme"

I´ll give you just an analogy for Leviathan and Catalyst in EC for ME1 and ME2:
ME1  - Vigil and Sovereign - buy dlc LOL 
ME2 - Harbinger and TIM - buy dlc LOL

Makes no difference if relates to the core theme which is basically meaning main plot of original game in some way or whether expands on the story. The only thing that matters is whether or not it was created prior to release or after.

[MegaSovereign]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BioWare will ultimately address this flaw in their game. The economics will be too compelling. And the people there who ultimately decide to do it, won't care about "art." They'll do it because it makes money for shareholders.

This is under the assumption that the majority loathed the EC.

If this is then the laws of mighty Capitalism will take it from here and they will eventually release new "ending DLC" But that's the thing, the majority doesn't loathe it. Hell I'd even argue that some of those that didn't like it wouldn't pay extra for an ending they would like.

It isn't really an assumption.  In addition to various polls on the issue, I have spoken to several retailers about this.  Uniformly they report that players really disliked the endings (including the EC) because it isn't consistent with what they thought they were getting.  It wasn't like the other two installments.  This is the sentiment of the "vast majority."

More importantly, they report that their customers who were most likely to dislike the endings were players who pre-ordered the game, particularly those who came to "launch night" events.  So the more dedicated fans were more likely to have a strong negative reaction to the game's ending. 

It is actually quite amusing to talk to them.  Almost all of them played the game themselves.  And even the store personnel disliked the endings.  So in addition to disappointing BioWare's loyal fans, they have lost some the cache they had earned with retailers, who really deal with gamers on a daily basis.

Thus my conclusion that someone who is just a savvy business person will ultimately see the value in addressing what is an obvious market opportunity.

Sure pal. I should just take your word for it.

Capitalism wins in the end of the day. If this is the case then you guys have NOTHING to worry about because eventually you'll get what the majority wants.

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BioWare will ultimately address this flaw in their game. The economics will be too compelling. And the people there who ultimately decide to do it, won't care about "art." They'll do it because it makes money for shareholders.

This is under the assumption that the majority loathed the EC.

If this is then the laws of mighty Capitalism will take it from here and they will eventually release new "ending DLC" But that's the thing, the majority doesn't loathe it. Hell I'd even argue that some of those that didn't like it wouldn't pay extra for an ending they would like.

It isn't really an assumption.  In addition to various polls on the issue, I have spoken to several retailers about this.  Uniformly they report that players really disliked the endings (including the EC) because it isn't consistent with what they thought they were getting.  It wasn't like the other two installments.  This is the sentiment of the "vast majority."

More importantly, they report that their customers who were most likely to dislike the endings were players who pre-ordered the game, particularly those who came to "launch night" events.  So the more dedicated fans were more likely to have a strong negative reaction to the game's ending. 

It is actually quite amusing to talk to them.  Almost all of them played the game themselves.  And even the store personnel disliked the endings.  So in addition to disappointing BioWare's loyal fans, they have lost some the cache they had earned with retailers, who really deal with gamers on a daily basis.

Thus my conclusion that someone who is just a savvy business person will ultimately see the value in addressing what is an obvious market opportunity.

So you assume we should take your word for it that these magical people we have never met and you imply said x, y or z; both exist and said what you claim? Sorry does not work like that. You have no idea about vast majority. I asked 5 thousand people if they liked it and they all said it was best thing since sliced bread, see how your argument works now go prove I did not ask 5 thousand people who said that. You have no proof you asked anyone, no proof they said what you claim and the old polls have been shot down and discredited many times regarding which side has majority vs minority. The only thing you can say for sure is a lot of people hated the endings originally and a fair amount of that group were satisfied with EC. Because that is what the polls actually imply.

nobody knows the actual number of people who like or dislike the endings, personally everyone should stop trying to use that phrase

[AresKeith]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

how much are the tickets?

Free, but you have to get them in random MP packs. 

EA is not getting mircotransactions from me lol

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BioWare will ultimately address this flaw in their game. The economics will be too compelling. And the people there who ultimately decide to do it, won't care about "art." They'll do it because it makes money for shareholders.

This is under the assumption that the majority loathed the EC.

If this is then the laws of mighty Capitalism will take it from here and they will eventually release new "ending DLC" But that's the thing, the majority doesn't loathe it. Hell I'd even argue that some of those that didn't like it wouldn't pay extra for an ending they would like.

It isn't really an assumption.  In addition to various polls on the issue, I have spoken to several retailers about this.  Uniformly they report that players really disliked the endings (including the EC) because it isn't consistent with what they thought they were getting.  It wasn't like the other two installments.  This is the sentiment of the "vast majority."

More importantly, they report that their customers who were most likely to dislike the endings were players who pre-ordered the game, particularly those who came to "launch night" events.  So the more dedicated fans were more likely to have a strong negative reaction to the game's ending. 

It is actually quite amusing to talk to them.  Almost all of them played the game themselves.  And even the store personnel disliked the endings.  So in addition to disappointing BioWare's loyal fans, they have lost some the cache they had earned with retailers, who really deal with gamers on a daily basis.

Thus my conclusion that someone who is just a savvy business person will ultimately see the value in addressing what is an obvious market opportunity.

So you assume we should take your word for it that these magical people we have never met and you imply said x, y or z; both exist and said what you claim? Sorry does not work like that. You have no idea about vast majority. I asked 5 thousand people if they liked it and they all said it was best thing since sliced bread, see how your argument works now go prove I did not ask 5 thousand people who said that. You have no proof you asked anyone, no proof they said what you claim and the old polls have been shot down and discredited many times regarding which side has majority vs minority. The only thing you can say for sure is a lot of people hated the endings originally and a fair amount of that group were satisfied with EC. Because that is what the polls actually imply.

LOL.  I'm not asking you to accept anything.  In fact, you should go do it yourself and reach own conclusions.  It's not hard.

Just walk into a store and talk to the sales people.  See what they say.  They like games.  They are happy to talk about it.  And if you ask what pre-order customers thought about the endings or "launch night" customers, they will tell you.

I'm sure that the business people at BioWare will compile all the statistics they need.  And, again, there is too much money on the table not to do something to deal with this huge group of customers.

But by all means, do what I did and go ask for yourself.

[Dragoonlordz]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BioWare will ultimately address this flaw in their game. The economics will be too compelling. And the people there who ultimately decide to do it, won't care about "art." They'll do it because it makes money for shareholders.

This is under the assumption that the majority loathed the EC.

If this is then the laws of mighty Capitalism will take it from here and they will eventually release new "ending DLC" But that's the thing, the majority doesn't loathe it. Hell I'd even argue that some of those that didn't like it wouldn't pay extra for an ending they would like.

It isn't really an assumption.  In addition to various polls on the issue, I have spoken to several retailers about this.  Uniformly they report that players really disliked the endings (including the EC) because it isn't consistent with what they thought they were getting.  It wasn't like the other two installments.  This is the sentiment of the "vast majority."

More importantly, they report that their customers who were most likely to dislike the endings were players who pre-ordered the game, particularly those who came to "launch night" events.  So the more dedicated fans were more likely to have a strong negative reaction to the game's ending. 

It is actually quite amusing to talk to them.  Almost all of them played the game themselves.  And even the store personnel disliked the endings.  So in addition to disappointing BioWare's loyal fans, they have lost some the cache they had earned with retailers, who really deal with gamers on a daily basis.

Thus my conclusion that someone who is just a savvy business person will ultimately see the value in addressing what is an obvious market opportunity.

So you assume we should take your word for it that these magical people we have never met and you imply said x, y or z; both exist and said what you claim? Sorry does not work like that. You have no idea about vast majority. I asked 5 thousand people if they liked it and they all said it was best thing since sliced bread, see how your argument works now go prove I did not ask 5 thousand people who said that. You have no proof you asked anyone, no proof they said what you claim and the old polls have been shot down and discredited many times regarding which side has majority vs minority. The only thing you can say for sure is a lot of people hated the endings originally and a fair amount of that group were satisfied with EC. Because that is what the polls actually imply.

nobody knows the actual number of people who like or dislike the endings, personally everyone should stop trying to use that phrase

Shocking as it may be I completely agree with you on that.

[robertthebard]

Moirai wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Xellith wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Your post doesn't bother me because I didn't bother reading past the part I quoted earlier.

@ the bolded part.

That wasn't the point I was making. Facebook polls that have an upward of 25K votes (larger sample size than any EC poll on BSN) suggests that the majority like the EC ending. They will not push back their DLC schedule for you and the minority.

I'm not even trying to sound harsh. This is what it is. Capitalism. 

https://www.facebook...6509146424475/  Thats the official one I believe.

Correct.

Over 25K votes.

~20.6 K of those played the EC. 17K of those that played it at least met most of their expectations.

And as I stated at that time and tweeted Bioware; that poll was flawed as a true measue of whether customers thought it was fundamentally 'good' or not.

Meeting or not meeting someones 'expectations' means nothing, unless you know what peoples expectations actually are. That's precisely why Bioware worded the poll that way. They were never gouing to ask whether people thought it was good or bad. Way too dangerous territory that...

As it was, it did pretty much meet my expectations. But only because I was expecting so little from it in the first place. I didn't go into any great depth in reading comments, admittedly. But I got the sincere impression that I wasn't alone in that viewpoint.

Did you vote on the poll?  If so, how did you vote?  I voted "Haven't played it yet" since by the time I bought ME 3, it was already out, and I never saw the original endings.  If I had, and had decided to rail against the endings, I would have said it didn't meet my expectations.  I mean, if I expected it to make the endings good, and it didn't, then I wouldn't even be lying.

What is interesting to note that is that "exceeded my expectations" is fully 7000 more people than even vote on BSN polls, and yet they are supposed to be indicative of something.

[XqctaX]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

And this is selfish too. In fact, even more so, since the objective is to please the happy even more. 

Those of us who like the game are not as selfish as those who do not. You had EC, even Leviathan was partially ending related even if did not change the ending it explains the backstory of what the Catalyst is and how it came to be. Omega is potentially the first DLC not in theory relating to the ending.

that just a blatant lie. seriously. 
WE all got the damn EC and it was optional. 
so dont go saying those that didnt like the game got something more than you did 

your side of the argument is "to stop some people from getting what they want is least selfish"
while the other side "wants those that got the least to get something they want"

and you call that selfish, you should be ashamed of yourself. seriously.

Nonsense. Your logic is false. The other side is not saying those who got least get something they want while I am according to you saying stop them getting what they want. Your bias is so blatent it is shocking and the fact you resorted to term drone in your edit further makes your standpoint obvious. I am saying their have been two ending related DLC's and I want a non ending one. The other side is saying they want a third ending related DLC.

neither "ending-related" DLC's did what was wanted or asked and you know it.
instead they stuck to there "art" so your argument is invalid.

so you acually got more than them If you liked the original endings.
so yest again Your logic is false. and youer own bias is just as blatant obvious
and the drone is fitting. and atleast im not lying or twisting the trouth to my own agenda like you.

[dreman9999]

drayfish wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It more of the case the BW want to tell the story it wants and not do it based on commity. They added more to the ending as a comprimse. They don't need to do the cahnges to meet you needs and you and your views are not the majority.

It's interesting that at one point - for several years actually - the celebrated catch-cry of Mass Effect was that 'there is no canon'; 'this is your Shepard, your story'.  Suddenly now at the end anyone who is dissatisfied with the conclusion gets painted as a crybaby entitled whiner who can't appreciate that this was Bioware's story all along. 

For those who are happy with the conclusion as it stands, I am glad for you (and envious), but there is no need for anyone to inflict their personal opinion on anyone else, telling them they have no right to feel the way they do about their own individual experience of the game.

Please, the ending do not contridict that. It would only be do it only one ending exsists.
In BW games we are alway given the choice to pick an action besed ong the choices BW given. We never choose what the choice are we had to pick. Saying because they are not the choice you want does not mean you have no choice nor bwis contridicting themselve. Every computer base rpg is like this what we have to choose out of the choices the deginers put into the game. Some games more then others have more choice, but the paly never changes what the choices are. You dicide what you do  but not what the game is about.

People see complant on the end choices as whining because we always had to pick the choice put in the game, not dicide what choices are put in the game.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 août 2012 - 10:57 .

[plfranke]

MegaSovereign speaks the truth about Capitalism winning at the end of the day. Soon enough we'll see the results of what they did with mass effect 3. I'm very confident that it will have some negative impact on their business. I'm not gonna say they'll go out of business or anything that extreme, but I don't think people will be so quick to buy their products.

[Applepie_Svk]

Wrath of Bastila Shan wrote...

Yes.  And that is what is so good about this game/series.  Making the tough choices and sacrificing your life for your friends and the galaxy.  Not too many games/stories like that.

I have no problem with sacrifice in DA:O because it was good and satisfying, but I have a problem with execution of main protagonist by main antagonist which logic could win content in stupidity. Only tough choice which Shepard need to do in the end is either refuse flawed logic or agreed and blindly in leap of faith that Catalyst isn´t lying about real outcomes of colors.[no metagamming]

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 30 août 2012 - 10:58 .

[MegaSovereign]

robertthebard wrote...

Did you vote on the poll?  If so, how did you vote?  I voted "Haven't played it yet" since by the time I bought ME 3, it was already out, and I never saw the original endings.  If I had, and had decided to rail against the endings, I would have said it didn't meet my expectations.  I mean, if I expected it to make the endings good, and it didn't, then I wouldn't even be lying.

What is interesting to note that is that "exceeded my expectations" is fully 7000 more people than even vote on BSN polls, and yet they are supposed to be indicative of something.

Not to mention that it's absurd that people would who hated the EC would try to skew the results to make them look more positive.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BioWare will ultimately address this flaw in their game. The economics will be too compelling. And the people there who ultimately decide to do it, won't care about "art." They'll do it because it makes money for shareholders.

This is under the assumption that the majority loathed the EC.

If this is then the laws of mighty Capitalism will take it from here and they will eventually release new "ending DLC" But that's the thing, the majority doesn't loathe it. Hell I'd even argue that some of those that didn't like it wouldn't pay extra for an ending they would like.

It isn't really an assumption.  In addition to various polls on the issue, I have spoken to several retailers about this.  Uniformly they report that players really disliked the endings (including the EC) because it isn't consistent with what they thought they were getting.  It wasn't like the other two installments.  This is the sentiment of the "vast majority."

More importantly, they report that their customers who were most likely to dislike the endings were players who pre-ordered the game, particularly those who came to "launch night" events.  So the more dedicated fans were more likely to have a strong negative reaction to the game's ending. 

It is actually quite amusing to talk to them.  Almost all of them played the game themselves.  And even the store personnel disliked the endings.  So in addition to disappointing BioWare's loyal fans, they have lost some the cache they had earned with retailers, who really deal with gamers on a daily basis.

Thus my conclusion that someone who is just a savvy business person will ultimately see the value in addressing what is an obvious market opportunity.

So you assume we should take your word for it that these magical people we have never met and you imply said x, y or z; both exist and said what you claim? Sorry does not work like that. You have no idea about vast majority. I asked 5 thousand people if they liked it and they all said it was best thing since sliced bread, see how your argument works now go prove I did not ask 5 thousand people who said that. You have no proof you asked anyone, no proof they said what you claim and the old polls have been shot down and discredited many times regarding which side has majority vs minority. The only thing you can say for sure is a lot of people hated the endings originally and a fair amount of that group were satisfied with EC. Because that is what the polls actually imply.

nobody knows the actual number of people who like or dislike the endings, personally everyone should stop trying to use that phrase

Good, than that means this topic  the op put up is pointless and just a vague number of people whining...Agein.

[Necrotron]

I agree with all the ideas in this post. I think certain lines will come off insulting, simply because how can someone not take it personal when someone says, "I truly wish you had chosen someone without depression issues to write ME3's ending."

But so much of this captures what the fanbase is asking for in the ending to ME3. They wanted something that was not downright maddeningly sad, depressing, confusing, and frustrating for the ending to this beloved series. Genocide, really!? After spending hours and hours creating peace with synthetics only to say 'kill them all!'

But it doesn't matter. Mass Effect's ending is already set in stone, and will always be remembered for how badly for most of us it failed.

Modifié par Bathaius, 30 août 2012 - 10:56 .

[Dragoonlordz]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

LOL.  I'm not asking you to accept anything.  In fact, you should go do it yourself and reach own conclusions.  It's not hard.

Just walk into a store and talk to the sales people.  See what they say.  They like games.  They are happy to talk about it.  And if you ask what pre-order customers thought about the endings or "launch night" customers, they will tell you.

I'm sure that the business people at BioWare will compile all the statistics they need.  And, again, there is too much money on the table not to do something to deal with this huge group of customers.

But by all means, do what I did and go ask for yourself.

Your assuming I did not already do so. Did you not read when I said I asked 5 thousand people and they liked it as opposed to your smaller group who said did not. Point I am making is you cannot just say asked people who supply no proof and be taken as fact that you did so. Just like I cannot prove I asked 5 thousand. You should not be using potentially fictional people to make a claim of majority or minority. To be honest the only thing going to do by even bringing up majority vs minority in this discussion, will just get this thread locked of which I have no desire to do because I do not actually think this thread deserves to be locked even if my opinion is different to that of the OP.

[Warrior Craess]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Xellith wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Your post doesn't bother me because I didn't bother reading past the part I quoted earlier.

@ the bolded part.

That wasn't the point I was making. Facebook polls that have an upward of 25K votes (larger sample size than any EC poll on BSN) suggests that the majority like the EC ending. They will not push back their DLC schedule for you and the minority.

I'm not even trying to sound harsh. This is what it is. Capitalism. 

https://www.facebook...6509146424475/  Thats the official one I believe.

Correct.

Over 25K votes.

~20.6 K of those played the EC. 17K of those that played it at least met most of their expectations.

Which doesn't exactly mean they are happy with the endings.  it simply means that EC DLC met of exceded their expectations.  try not to read too much into such a simple survey.

[ThaDPG]

Gotta support the OP on this one. Very good post 3D!

[Moirai]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Moirai wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Xellith wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Your post doesn't bother me because I didn't bother reading past the part I quoted earlier.

@ the bolded part.

That wasn't the point I was making. Facebook polls that have an upward of 25K votes (larger sample size than any EC poll on BSN) suggests that the majority like the EC ending. They will not push back their DLC schedule for you and the minority.

I'm not even trying to sound harsh. This is what it is. Capitalism. 

https://www.facebook...6509146424475/  Thats the official one I believe.

Correct.

Over 25K votes.

~20.6 K of those played the EC. 17K of those that played it at least met most of their expectations.

And as I stated at that time and tweeted Bioware; that poll was flawed as a true measue of whether customers thought it was fundamentally 'good' or not.

Meeting or not meeting someones 'expectations' means nothing, unless you know what peoples expectations actually are. That's precisely why Bioware worded the poll that way. They were never gouing to ask whether people thought it was good or bad. Way too dangerous territory that...

As it was, it did pretty much meet my expectations. But only because I was expecting so little from it in the first place. I didn't go into any great depth in reading comments, admittedly. But I got the sincere impression that I wasn't alone in that viewpoint.

Trying to argue semantics?

People who liked it would obviously vote the higher up options.

And you're now trying to argue assumptions.

You're assuming that because people felt that the EC improved on the original endings that it automatically means that they 'liked' them. Wrong. That's just a convenient simplification for a point of argument.

Like I said, Bioware worded the poll that way for a specific reason. A very sensible and understandable PR reason from their perspective. It gives them far more flexibility in terms of perceived interpretation.

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

MegaSovereign wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

BioWare will ultimately address this flaw in their game. The economics will be too compelling. And the people there who ultimately decide to do it, won't care about "art." They'll do it because it makes money for shareholders.

This is under the assumption that the majority loathed the EC.

If this is then the laws of mighty Capitalism will take it from here and they will eventually release new "ending DLC" But that's the thing, the majority doesn't loathe it. Hell I'd even argue that some of those that didn't like it wouldn't pay extra for an ending they would like.

It isn't really an assumption.  In addition to various polls on the issue, I have spoken to several retailers about this.  Uniformly they report that players really disliked the endings (including the EC) because it isn't consistent with what they thought they were getting.  It wasn't like the other two installments.  This is the sentiment of the "vast majority."

More importantly, they report that their customers who were most likely to dislike the endings were players who pre-ordered the game, particularly those who came to "launch night" events.  So the more dedicated fans were more likely to have a strong negative reaction to the game's ending. 

It is actually quite amusing to talk to them.  Almost all of them played the game themselves.  And even the store personnel disliked the endings.  So in addition to disappointing BioWare's loyal fans, they have lost some the cache they had earned with retailers, who really deal with gamers on a daily basis.

Thus my conclusion that someone who is just a savvy business person will ultimately see the value in addressing what is an obvious market opportunity.

Sure pal. I should just take your word for it.

Capitalism wins in the end of the day. If this is the case then you guys have NOTHING to worry about because eventually you'll get what the majority wants.

That's true. 

And like I said, I'm not asking you to just take my word for it.  The next time you're in a store, ask.  I took the time to do it because I thought it would be interesting to hear.  I got to hear a lot about what people liked and didn't like in the game.  At the very least, they will remember you next time you come in...in a good way.  I think the people who work behind the counter get asked a lot of questions about games but not a lot of "tell me what you think" questions.  It's a good experience.  (Plus, I didn't walk in with a clipboard.  They know it's not an official survey or anything.)

That's why I think that someone will ultimately address this.  But it could take a really long time.  If you look at some of these games that are "reborn" later, it can take years for the company to act. 

And there is no reason to delay other in-game DLC for this.  But I think doing this would cause players to go back and pick up DLC that they passed on because they hate the endings.  So there is a multiplier for fixing this.

[AresKeith]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

LOL.  I'm not asking you to accept anything.  In fact, you should go do it yourself and reach own conclusions.  It's not hard.

Just walk into a store and talk to the sales people.  See what they say.  They like games.  They are happy to talk about it.  And if you ask what pre-order customers thought about the endings or "launch night" customers, they will tell you.

I'm sure that the business people at BioWare will compile all the statistics they need.  And, again, there is too much money on the table not to do something to deal with this huge group of customers.

But by all means, do what I did and go ask for yourself.

I've done the samething before too, only a couple of them said the ending was ok, the rest didn't like it. I even told and showed my cousins the ending and they said it was stupid