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[CronoDragoon]

BearlyHere wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

In fact, most people are either satisfied or happy with the EC:

based on one poll, which asked if it met expectations, not about satisfaction.

GameZone is hardly a definitive source as they are dependent on advertising dollars from companies like EA/Bioware.  I also found it interesting that on the same page is a link to a story stating that only 42% of players have finished ME3. There's also another from March titled "It's only going to get worse for Bioware."

And the source of Walters/Hudson's great art has already been discussed ad nauseum in this and other threads. It's not art, it's the worst kind of high school level "borrowing" from other sources.

If you'd read the article, it wasn't a Gamezone poll but a Facebook poll.

[Iakus]

Archonsg wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

The thing is here, Bioware is asking for suggestions for a new game.

I am sorry.
Where did you see this? I was looking at the announcement area and didi not see a post there.

And assuming there is, I don't feel particularly inclined to offer ideas or support after being largely ignored with EC.

[CronoDragoon]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Take the Council. You can save the Council at the cost of soldiers' lives, or you sacrifice the Council to get a better shot at winning the battle.

Bad example, because you reversed it. If you rescue the Council at the expense of the soldiers, you get a better chance at winning the battle. It is also the Paragon choice (+Paragon points). Morality and tough decisions resulting in a long-view win still went hand-in-hand.

This is not the only example of such. Take ME2's decision regarding using or destroying the Reaper tech, after the Suicide Mission. Quick gains by saving it result in Renegade points, but destroying it for the long-win result in Paragon points.

This isn't to say that I take umbrage with abandoning that system at the end. My axe to grind is that the decisions aren't tough because they're difficult to make -- they're artificially weighted with consequences that have no relation to one another. This, on top of the whole reason for taking the Catalyst at face value is because Synthetic-Organic war is inevitable, except's not. Hello? Just settled one with the Quarians and the Geth. In fact, by DESTROYING the Geth with Destroy, you *cause* a Synthetic-Organic war in the future. The entire thing is massively flawed with logic that makes no sense on any level.

I suspect the only reason Legion killed himself to add Reaper tech to the Geth was solely added to make the ending more controversial. There's really no explaining that otherwise, given the complete turn-around in logic that went between ME2 to ME3 on the matter.

That is terrible writing, point and fact. No editor would let that out the door in any professional publishing house.

The answer to everything is essentially headcanon, and thus the player is insulated from true repercussions. That is why I tend to believe ME choices are relatively easy.

An unacceptable ending. Headcanon fills in the holes, not the entire ending. I shouldn't have to re-imagine everything. All you're doing in stating such is validating that one angry Twitter post in responce to Mike Gamble, where he says to Mike, "How about I sell you a book with the last quarter torn out and you can imagine the ending." Your whole defence of the ending is that you can imagine it properly. Haha, no.

You need to take some time to read posts you quote and understand their intent. This whole discussion I've been having with some people pertains to why the ending choice feels different, and less satisfactory, to people compared to many choices in the series. That you somehow construe my headcanon remark as supporting the endings shows that you have not taken the time to understand this. The headcanon I was speaking of is completely different from the ME3 endings headcanon debate. I am, if anything, criticizing the endings with my posts on this particular subject.

P.S. I didn't reverse the Council decision. You either try to save the Council because they "are important" or you "focus on Sovereign." When you make that choice, it's clear the Renegade choice is supposed to represent winning the battle at all costs over protecting an ideal. And I clearly said that saving the Council is Paragon.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 20 septembre 2012 - 04:10 .

[Snypy]

iakus wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

The thing is here, Bioware is asking for suggestions for a new game.

I am sorry.
Where did you see this? I was looking at the announcement area and didi not see a post there.

And assuming there is, I don't feel particularly inclined to offer ideas or support after being largely ignored with EC.

• MASS EFFECT – Executive Producer Casey Hudson and his team are coming off an amazing eight-year run with the Mass Effect trilogy. But they’re not done yet. We are releasing more multiplayer content and we have more single-player stories coming throughout the next six months, including Omega which is coming in the Fall. But the Mass Effect universe is vast, and Casey and our teams have plans for another full game. “Where to go next?” with such a project has been a question a lot of us have been asking, and we’d all love to hear your ideas. 

Source. But there's no official thread on the BSN yet. So, I guess those are just empty words for now.

[CronoDragoon]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...
Glad you enjoyed some of the data. I also found a great deal of the information surveyed and collected to be intriguing.

I saw the dates as well, but clearly there's more to it than the one date. It's impossible to have tens of thousands of people that have EC DLC installed (a clear part of the survey) if it all of the data was taken pre-EC.

I probably just suck at reading survey data, but where did it mention any post-EC stuff like how many people have it installed?

Also, let me clarify that I do not believe "most" ME fans are "happy" with the ending post-EC. I am not happy with the endings. But I was happy with the EC, and the FB poll is talking specifically about the EC, not the endings in general, so that could explain a difference there. Since I was quoting Mega's post where he asked about the endings in general, I gave the wrong impression there and I'm sorry.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 20 septembre 2012 - 04:13 .

[Tooneyman]

Ozida wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...

Holy crap this is still going. I love for it. Keep up the pressure for all the hope in the freaking world. WOOT!

This thread shall not die.

:pinched::D

[CronoDragoon]

3DandBeyond wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Meeting expectations is a loaded question. If ones expectations are low, then if ones expectations are met or exceeded, it still does not mean they are satisfied or happy.

Example: we were served a pile of steaming s*** for an original ending on a paper plate. For the extended cut we received a pile of frozen s*** topped with whipped cream and a cherry served on china. It looked a hell of a lot better (i.e. met or exceeded expectations because we were expecting another steaming pile served on china), but it still tasted like s***.

If people did not think the EC fixed the endings, regardless of whether or not it met their extremely low expectations, you know as well as I do they would pick the option that made the EC look bad.

See that there is a really erroneous post.  I'm sorry but I looked at refuse as doing something so BW could laugh at us.  I didn't ever see it as making the EC look bad.

I...wasn't talking about the ending options, including refuse. I said that if people still didn't like the endings, they would show BioWare by choosing the poll option that let BW know the EC didn't satisfy them. I find it dubious that people who still hate the endings would choose "met expectations" just because strictly speaking it did.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 20 septembre 2012 - 04:09 .

[3DandBeyond]

Archonsg wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

The thing is here, Bioware is asking for suggestions for a new game.

I am sorry.
Where did you see this? I was looking at the announcement area and didi not see a post there.

I can't recall which site had the quote from either Casey or the head guy at Bioware asking for that.  It was contained within one of the announcements about the Doctors' leaving.  If I find it I will post the link.  But, there was a part that said they were going to go on with ME games and wanted fan input.

[3DandBeyond]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I...wasn't talking about the ending options, including refuse. I said that if people still didn't like the endings, they would show BioWare by choosing the poll option that let BW know the EC didn't satisfy them. I find it dubious that people who still hate the endings would choose "met expectations" just because strictly speaking it did.

Very sorry.  I misunderstood that.  I believed it to be about refuse which I had been accused of using to tell Bioware to suck eggs-when I only have ever chosen it once.

I am very sorry to mix that up and misconstrue what you said.

However, as far as the poll goes you have to understand that some people actually do try to answer them honestly.  And a lot of polls don't ask all the follow up questions that people think might be asked so they can clarify their answers.

What I mean is in a poll like that if I were truthful the EC did meet my expectations.  I always said in the "listening" thread that I hoped for certain things but expected nothing would really change much, that if they kept the kid and the choices, it wouldn't be better, but I fully expected them to keep the kid and the choices.  It did that and so it met my expectations.

In taking the poll, I would expect some questions to be asked then about if I really loved the endings, and so on, but if you want to twist a poll, you add in a lot of fluff questions so people forget what they really wanted to be asked.  You do that by asking what was your favorite part of the thing in question, did you like the visuals, the music, the voice overs.  You ask if it provided clarity, and then you don't ask if it fixed what the poll taker thought was wrong.  You don't want to know about that.

Did the EC meet my expectations?  It sure did.  I didn't expect much.  Did if fix anything for me?  No, it didn't.  We discussed this, but anything it fixed is irrelevant because they are meaningless if I don't like playing to the end and since I still feel the ending fails.  So, to date, I don't think the main questions were ever asked by anyone in an unvarnished way.

[Ozida]

Tooneyman wrote...

Ozida wrote...

Tooneyman wrote...
Holy crap this is still going. I love for it. Keep up the pressure for all the hope in the freaking world. WOOT!

This thread shall not die.

:pinched::D

Your emotions are quite expressive, lol. Reflect my experience with ME3 in reverse order. Hold the line!


Back on topic, though...

Talking about poll is as tricky as talking about majority/ minority thing, I find. People want to prove their point and gladly misuse data to do that. I am not saying that all polls are bad, or people taking them are liars, nothing like that. I am just saying, that results will be always slightly affected by person/ company who has created the poll.
For example, BioWare polls are not what you would call sneaky, but sometimes questions could be phrased in dual manner. Like in example 3D brought above, EC meeting expectations and EC fixing the problem are two different things. BW was pretty honest about what will be included in EC, so it would be unreasonable to expect something drastically different. However, should there be a question "Did EC improved your experience and added re-playability to ME3", results might have been different.

It works other way too. Somebody can always create a poll with options like "ME3 sucked"/ "ME3 was meh" and "I have moved on already", and it won't reflect the real situation as it would not present proper options. That is why, I think, polls always should be only half of communication deal between company and players.

And after all that, I am still here waiting for Survey results, by the way.

Modifié par Ozida, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:05 .

[Warrior Craess]

3DandBeyond wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

I...wasn't talking about the ending options, including refuse. I said that if people still didn't like the endings, they would show BioWare by choosing the poll option that let BW know the EC didn't satisfy them. I find it dubious that people who still hate the endings would choose "met expectations" just because strictly speaking it did.

Very sorry.  I misunderstood that.  I believed it to be about refuse which I had been accused of using to tell Bioware to suck eggs-when I only have ever chosen it once.

I am very sorry to mix that up and misconstrue what you said.

However, as far as the poll goes you have to understand that some people actually do try to answer them honestly.  And a lot of polls don't ask all the follow up questions that people think might be asked so they can clarify their answers.

What I mean is in a poll like that if I were truthful the EC did meet my expectations.  I always said in the "listening" thread that I hoped for certain things but expected nothing would really change much, that if they kept the kid and the choices, it wouldn't be better, but I fully expected them to keep the kid and the choices.  It did that and so it met my expectations.

In taking the poll, I would expect some questions to be asked then about if I really loved the endings, and so on, but if you want to twist a poll, you add in a lot of fluff questions so people forget what they really wanted to be asked.  You do that by asking what was your favorite part of the thing in question, did you like the visuals, the music, the voice overs.  You ask if it provided clarity, and then you don't ask if it fixed what the poll taker thought was wrong.  You don't want to know about that.

Did the EC meet my expectations?  It sure did.  I didn't expect much.  Did if fix anything for me?  No, it didn't.  We discussed this, but anything it fixed is irrelevant because they are meaningless if I don't like playing to the end and since I still feel the ending fails.  So, to date, I don't think the main questions were ever asked by anyone in an unvarnished way.

well said.   I also had almost 0 expectations of the EC, as they said it would provide clarification only. I didn't need anyone telling me what the endings meant. I certainly didn't need some of the ret-con that was performed in the EC, however it did meet my expectations.  Much like the Tyson McNeely fight met my expectations. 

[CronoDragoon]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Very sorry.  I misunderstood that.  I believed it to be about refuse which I had been accused of using to tell Bioware to suck eggs-when I only have ever chosen it once.

I am very sorry to mix that up and misconstrue what you said.

However, as far as the poll goes you have to understand that some people actually do try to answer them honestly.  And a lot of polls don't ask all the follow up questions that people think might be asked so they can clarify their answers.

What I mean is in a poll like that if I were truthful the EC did meet my expectations.  I always said in the "listening" thread that I hoped for certain things but expected nothing would really change much, that if they kept the kid and the choices, it wouldn't be better, but I fully expected them to keep the kid and the choices.  It did that and so it met my expectations.

In taking the poll, I would expect some questions to be asked then about if I really loved the endings, and so on, but if you want to twist a poll, you add in a lot of fluff questions so people forget what they really wanted to be asked.  You do that by asking what was your favorite part of the thing in question, did you like the visuals, the music, the voice overs.  You ask if it provided clarity, and then you don't ask if it fixed what the poll taker thought was wrong.  You don't want to know about that.

Did the EC meet my expectations?  It sure did.  I didn't expect much.  Did if fix anything for me?  No, it didn't.  We discussed this, but anything it fixed is irrelevant because they are meaningless if I don't like playing to the end and since I still feel the ending fails.  So, to date, I don't think the main questions were ever asked by anyone in an unvarnished way.

No problem at all. Lot of posts flying around in this thread and I know I've mixed up a few before.

I can't deny that some people probably did answer truthfully and say the EC met their expectations even though they hated it. It's not something I can prove, it's just something that makes sense to me that, given a lack of compelling poll options that might properly describe one's one feelings towards the EC, those still dissatisfied would choose "did not meet expectations." But on this no one really has any ground to posit a fact including myself.

Similarly, I said that I believe most people are still dissatisfied with the endings. Truth be told I don't have in mind any telling surveys or polls post-EC that would show this.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:27 .

[3DandBeyond]

CronoDragoon wrote...


No problem at all. Lot of posts flying around in this thread and I know I've mixed up a few before.

I can't deny that some people probably did answer truthfully and say the EC met their expectations even though they hated it. It's not something I can prove, it's just something that makes sense to me that, given a lack of compelling poll options that might properly describe one's one feelings towards the EC, those still dissatisfied would choose "did not meet expectations." But on this no one really has any ground to posit a fact including myself.

Similarly, I said that I believe most people are still dissatisfied with the endings. Truth be told I don't have in mind any telling surveys or polls post-EC that would show this.

I think that's the salient point.  I too do believe most would not say these are the endings or even type of endings they wanted, not evey people that could fully see Shepard dying as the way to end it.  To me the endings are just 3 shades of black-meaning, different in what you do, but not really different in what that means or feels like.  To me, the best way to describe it is the feeling of choosing to refuse the choices, getting to hear that fantastic B5-like speech, and then seeing insta-death.  The happily ever after epilog with the new and improved star gazer just made it all seem worse.

[Kel Riever]

You know, that stargazer scene could have been a lot better if we didn't mention 'The' Shepard, and of course, the ending never had a starchild or lack of choices that mattered.

'Space Jesus'...really, what were they thinking?

Modifié par Kel Riever, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:05 .

[ddraigcoch123]

3DandBeyond wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...


No problem at all. Lot of posts flying around in this thread and I know I've mixed up a few before.

I can't deny that some people probably did answer truthfully and say the EC met their expectations even though they hated it. It's not something I can prove, it's just something that makes sense to me that, given a lack of compelling poll options that might properly describe one's one feelings towards the EC, those still dissatisfied would choose "did not meet expectations." But on this no one really has any ground to posit a fact including myself.

Similarly, I said that I believe most people are still dissatisfied with the endings. Truth be told I don't have in mind any telling surveys or polls post-EC that would show this.

I think that's the salient point.  I too do believe most would not say these are the endings or even type of endings they wanted, not evey people that could fully see Shepard dying as the way to end it.  To me the endings are just 3 shades of black-meaning, different in what you do, but not really different in what that means or feels like.  To me, the best way to describe it is the feeling of choosing to refuse the choices, getting to hear that fantastic B5-like speech, and then seeing insta-death.  The happily ever after epilog with the new and improved star gazer just made it all seem worse.

hope i've got the right end of what your discussing... if not apologies...

so yep when the EC came out i did post, not in a poll, but posted a thanks
for the proper goodbye to my Shep's LI,but would never say any kind of positive thanks in a poll, it would send the wrong message...

and I think any poll along the lines of 'did the EC add something... did it give you more of a complete, explained ending' etc asks a moot question, if we didn't enjoy or want the thing its trying to improve/bring closure to... as again they would retcon the answer to mean we were happy with the endings themselves... which for me would not be true...

and the epilog did drive me nuts... I reckon any of us could have done better collages with still from the the games or even original art work, it was tacky and sickly and as i've said elsewhere was nothing to do with me or my game... Bioware shut me out from having any meaningful interction the last time i killed a banshee or tried to rally my team for the final push... and thats being generous...

Modifié par ddraigcoch123, 20 septembre 2012 - 05:55 .

[Ozida]

Kel Riever wrote...

You know, that stargazer scene could have been a lot better if we didn't mention 'The' Shepard, and of course, the ending never had a starchild or lack of choices that matteres.

'Space Jesus'...really, what were they thinking?

ME3 ending is lacking of "epic" that's for sure. I didn't mind them presenting Shepard as some sort of Messiah (after all, he/ she did return from dead), but it should've been consistent and almost over exaggareted. This is one of the biggest problems I have with the endings: during 2,5 games I was shown that  a single man/ woman can do impossible things, like stopping a long-lasting war or beating Collectors, and then in the end we are back to "Shepard is just a human" thing. Suddenly, we have to play by Starkid rules, and if Shepard tries to be himself (through Refuse), we loose. Worst than that, I am being constantly told, that this should be expected and this is close to a real life. I guess, I wouldn't have so many problems with the concept of poor little Shepard at the end of ME3, if not for the previous 2 games, when he was clearly kicking butts and solving unsolvable.

[sdinc009]

CronoDragoon wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Very sorry.  I misunderstood that.  I believed it to be about refuse which I had been accused of using to tell Bioware to suck eggs-when I only have ever chosen it once.

I am very sorry to mix that up and misconstrue what you said.

However, as far as the poll goes you have to understand that some people actually do try to answer them honestly.  And a lot of polls don't ask all the follow up questions that people think might be asked so they can clarify their answers.

What I mean is in a poll like that if I were truthful the EC did meet my expectations.  I always said in the "listening" thread that I hoped for certain things but expected nothing would really change much, that if they kept the kid and the choices, it wouldn't be better, but I fully expected them to keep the kid and the choices.  It did that and so it met my expectations.

In taking the poll, I would expect some questions to be asked then about if I really loved the endings, and so on, but if you want to twist a poll, you add in a lot of fluff questions so people forget what they really wanted to be asked.  You do that by asking what was your favorite part of the thing in question, did you like the visuals, the music, the voice overs.  You ask if it provided clarity, and then you don't ask if it fixed what the poll taker thought was wrong.  You don't want to know about that.

Did the EC meet my expectations?  It sure did.  I didn't expect much.  Did if fix anything for me?  No, it didn't.  We discussed this, but anything it fixed is irrelevant because they are meaningless if I don't like playing to the end and since I still feel the ending fails.  So, to date, I don't think the main questions were ever asked by anyone in an unvarnished way.

No problem at all. Lot of posts flying around in this thread and I know I've mixed up a few before.

I can't deny that some people probably did answer truthfully and say the EC met their expectations even though they hated it. It's not something I can prove, it's just something that makes sense to me that, given a lack of compelling poll options that might properly describe one's one feelings towards the EC, those still dissatisfied would choose "did not meet expectations." But on this no one really has any ground to posit a fact including myself.

Similarly, I said that I believe most people are still dissatisfied with the endings. Truth be told I don't have in mind any telling surveys or polls post-EC that would show this.

It seems almost like there's a failure to understand what was being said. For instance, I would say that the "EC met my expectations" but that phrase is taken without context to give it meaning. Due to the whole debacle, press release statements and PR insults the bar was set pretty low. Also it is focusing on the EC DLC and not the ending it was created for. So asking about the EC DLC I'd say it was good for what it was intended to do, however, if asked about the ending I'd still say it sucked donkey dong. It simply went from an F to a C-. At least that's my take on the polls, but hey, what's the phrase," You can make a statistic about anything."

[3DandBeyond]

Ozida wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

You know, that stargazer scene could have been a lot better if we didn't mention 'The' Shepard, and of course, the ending never had a starchild or lack of choices that matteres.

'Space Jesus'...really, what were they thinking?

ME3 ending is lacking of "epic" that's for sure. I didn't mind them presenting Shepard as some sort of Messiah (after all, he/ she did return from dead), but it should've been consistent and almost over exaggareted. This is one of the biggest problems I have with the endings: during 2,5 games I was shown that  a single man/ woman can do impossible things, like stopping a long-lasting war or beating Collectors, and then in the end we are back to "Shepard is just a human" thing. Suddenly, we have to play by Starkid rules, and if Shepard tries to be himself (through Refuse), we loose. Worst than that, I am being constantly told, that this should be expected and this is close to a real life. I guess, I wouldn't have so many problems with the concept of poor little Shepard at the end of ME3, if not for the previous 2 games, when he was clearly kicking butts and solving unsolvable.

This is the part of it missing.  Epic, heroic choice.  The exaggeration is a big part of what's lacking.  You can't have a conflicted hero if the person is deciding whether to kill 20 people or 50.  The scope of the decision in destroy is just not there for me.  The galaxy mostly has been a bunch of idiots and so to save those that never wanted to help I've got to kill others that always did.  The only thing that makes it an easier choice is it meets the goal, superficially.  So, do I want that?  Yeah, but the ambiguity of what it does makes it suspect.  I don't truly know what all it will affect, so clarity please.

The other choices don't achieve a clear good that makes doing either one enough of an exaggerated option.  A true dilemma would be if Shepard got to live in control and synthesis and sacrificed him/herself in destroy, but I definitely do not want that as the only way to win.  My wish is not to decide to damn the galaxy (as I see it) by being selfish and I still do want one clear victory/Shepard lives possibility.  I want an ending to feel good about.  And that would be epic.

[Archonsg]

Snypy wrote...

iakus wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

The thing is here, Bioware is asking for suggestions for a new game.

I am sorry.
Where did you see this? I was looking at the announcement area and didi not see a post there.

And assuming there is, I don't feel particularly inclined to offer ideas or support after being largely ignored with EC.

• MASS EFFECT – Executive Producer Casey Hudson and his team are coming off an amazing eight-year run with the Mass Effect trilogy. But they’re not done yet. We are releasing more multiplayer content and we have more single-player stories coming throughout the next six months, including Omega which is coming in the Fall. But the Mass Effect universe is vast, and Casey and our teams have plans for another full game. “Where to go next?” with such a project has been a question a lot of us have been asking, and we’d all love to hear your ideas. 

Source. But there's no official thread on the BSN yet. So, I guess those are just empty words for now.

Thanks read that, its from the Blog post after Ray and Greg left.
But as you say, that's assumption on our part and to be honest, even if they put up a stickied thread like the "we are listening" thread, and we know just how much they actually listened to, it really boils down to who make the decisions on what they WANT to listen to.

Casey and Hudson are running the show.
That was all I needed to know.

[3DandBeyond]

sdinc009 wrote...

It seems almost like there's a failure to understand what was being said. For instance, I would say that the "EC met my expectations" but that phrase is taken without context to give it meaning. Due to the whole debacle, press release statements and PR insults the bar was set pretty low. Also it is focusing on the EC DLC and not the ending it was created for. So asking about the EC DLC I'd say it was good for what it was intended to do, however, if asked about the ending I'd still say it sucked donkey dong. It simply went from an F to a C-. At least that's my take on the polls, but hey, what's the phrase," You can make a statistic about anything."

Well, see that's the ambiguous nature of polls-it's all in the interpretation of the question being asked.

It's like Rovian misdirection.  You word a question so it can be interpreted in many different ways.  Did it meet expectations?  It depends on what you expected and what you thought it would fix.  If I thought that meant "was this what you expected the original endings would be?"  I'd answer no.  If I thought that meant "is this what you expected the EC would be?" I'd answer yes.  It's a poorly worded question.  You have to ask what it's being compared to. 

Was the EC what you expected the original endings would be?  No.  Was the EC what you expected the EC would be? Yes.  If the game had ended with the EC endings and not the original, would you have been satisfied?  No.  Do you think the EC endings are better than the original ones?  I can't answer that with yes or no.  In some ways, there are better pieces that were added-I like the dialogue, but not the idea of the Normandy at the conduit scene.  So, better-yes and no.  The endings changed things, but to make things better it needed to change things it didn't.  So, I can't say it's better.  Casey Hudson said it best and in this I believe him fully, "the EC doesn't fundamentally change anything."  The Mass Relays could spit chocolate and I wouldn't care, because nothing pertinent leads to that knowledge.  They matter, sure.  But they only matter if the people I cared about are also cared about by the writers.  So far, that evidence is lacking at the end.

[Xellith]

Mass Effect 3 failed about as much as ME2 succeeded... devs say its their best work ever... two co-founders "retire"...

Maybe the world IS coming to an end?

[Ozida]

Xellith wrote...

Mass Effect 3 failed about as much as ME2 succeeded... devs say its their best work ever... two co-founders "retire"...

Maybe the world IS coming to an end?

I can only say this: I have replayed NWN over dozen times, and in fact, I am playing it right now... again. Never got bored or tired of it, although I know every corner in the game now by heart. I have replayed ME2 over a dozen times too, and it encouraged me to replay ME1 a lot as well. I haven't replayed ME3 even once, expect for running over the last mission again after EC came out. I have actually tried to start another play through and lost interest before even finishing Prologue mission. How much worse could it be?

If this is not the end of the world, it is definitely dark times in video gaming history.

[AresKeith]

Ozida wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Mass Effect 3 failed about as much as ME2 succeeded... devs say its their best work ever... two co-founders "retire"...

Maybe the world IS coming to an end?

I can only say this: I have replayed NWN over dozen times, and in fact, I am playing it right now... again. Never got bored or tired of it, although I know every corner in the game now by heart. I have replayed ME2 over a dozen times too, and it encouraged me to replay ME1 a lot as well. I haven't replayed ME3 even once, expect for running over the last mission again after EC came out. I have actually tried to start another play through and lost interest before even finishing Prologue mission. How much worse could it be?

If this is not the end of the world, it is definitely dark times in video gaming history.

darker than Fable 3? lol

[Snypy]

Xellith wrote...

Mass Effect 3 failed about as much as ME2 succeeded... devs say its their best work ever... two co-founders "retire"...

Maybe the world IS coming to an end?

I don't think ME3 failed. Yes, the story isn't as good as that of ME1-2. I hate the ultra-powerful Cerberus, by the way. I guess Mac Walters got carried away a bit. But the game is still amazing, until the last 15 minutes, or so. We must also remember that EA gave BioWare only two years and five weeks to create a game as complex as ME3.

Anyway, the truth is that BioWare has lost several key people recently: Armando Troisi, Drew Karpyshyn, and now the Docs. But there are still many talented writers and devs working for the company.

Perhaps the new management will try to appease fans by releasing a DLC with additional endings. 

Modifié par Snypy, 20 septembre 2012 - 07:01 .

[Ozida]

AresKeith wrote...

Ozida wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Mass Effect 3 failed about as much as ME2 succeeded... devs say its their best work ever... two co-founders "retire"...

Maybe the world IS coming to an end?

I can only say this: I have replayed NWN over dozen times, and in fact, I am playing it right now... again. Never got bored or tired of it, although I know every corner in the game now by heart. I have replayed ME2 over a dozen times too, and it encouraged me to replay ME1 a lot as well. I haven't replayed ME3 even once, expect for running over the last mission again after EC came out. I have actually tried to start another play through and lost interest before even finishing Prologue mission. How much worse could it be?

If this is not the end of the world, it is definitely dark times in video gaming history.

darker than Fable 3? lol

Didn't play that one, but heard it didn't go very well either.

The funny thing is that the only other game that had almost equally terrible ending I know about was also called "Fable", but it was an older game, most likely unrelated to your reference. At the end of that game it turned out that the main protagonist was just insane man in a clinic for mentally challenged people and everything that happened was just in his imagination. That was the only time when I had a true "WTF?!" moment besides ME3. I mean, there is a difference between crappy, but toleratable endings and pure nonsense.

Modifié par Ozida, 20 septembre 2012 - 06:58 .