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[3DandBeyond]

Ozida wrote...

DrwEddy wrote...

Snypy wrote...

Perhaps the new management will try to appease fans by releasing a DLC with additional endings. 

Maybe. But how do we fans need to convince the management that we want additional endings?

Petition? Yay or nay?

Well, I'm all for stating your wishes.  At this point, petitions to them seem more like rubbing salt in a wound.  I don't want this to be a discussion of how good or bad things were handled by all (all fans and BW) before.  I do want this to be a step forward that could be something everyone could try to look at and find room for compromise.  I still say that we all (including me) need to tone down the confrontational aspect here.  Yes, we all have strong opinions often formed due to the void left when it seems BW people just gave up on this site.  There is also a natural inclination of all people to be self-protective and a need to be "right".  Well, being right isn't necessarily the same as being correct.  And standing on past principle often leaves you standing alone.

I think we need to ask, and I do mean ask whoever the powers that be are at Bioware, to really take a look at the awesome thing they've created-in and out of the game.  Whether positive or negative, very few games attract this kind of emotional and powerful attention.  Sure, negativity is hard to take, but it still should tell them something.  Why on Earth would people still be here asking for additions to the ending.  It's counter-intuitive.  I know some (including some people at Bioware) will think we're deluded, irrational, or obsessed.  Ok, maybe superficially if you don't want to look deeper and if you insist on being shallow. 

But, there's something more here than just some stereotypical, shallow view of this as mere idiocy.  It's the game and it's what the game was and what we hoped it would be.  It means actually that Bioware really succeeded more than they failed.  It means that we have hope, even if it's something false we adhere to.  In spite of all the negativity, we do hold onto one of the most positive things of all.  I think the point here is to keep asking Bioware to realize just how unique the game was and what a great job they did in character development and creating such an immersive thing.  And maybe then they'd see why the endings fall so far from that.

[Kel Riever]

It is not true that they can't do anything other than remake the whole game.

Having said that, despite that I think they should, I seriously doubt they will. They have too much at stake making sure they are wrong. Things like this get corrected after there are no sales, someone gets blamed, and then some people lose their jobs.

The important things is not to be stupid, run out there, and keep buying bad products. Just like the people who support the endings and like it are going to keep buying, people who don't should recognize they are only feeding the troll if they give in to some facade of hope.

I'm not telling you what to do with your money. I'm just saying if you are going to throw good money after bad, then do me a favor and buy my copy of the Leviathan DLC. PM me and I'll tell you how to send money to my PayPal account.

[darthoptimus003]

if the polls are to be believed then if BW really goes with synth. thenalot of people will not buy it because its the most hated ending and is what a lot of heat is coming from as well
if they go this route it would be suicide on BW part as a company
i for one hope this dont happen but giving whats happened with me3s ending debacle and the fact that one of the endings we have now people see as a big FU from BW then what can we do as fans of a much loved series do to take them off the synth course cause the way i see it it will evectivly destroy this company
and everyony on bsn doesnt want this to happen

[Bierwichtel]

not the endings, nor the canon will destroy Bioware... ultimately it will be EA... there is a precedence here... several actually...

[Snypy]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Awhile back one BSN member had gone to a Community event where Chris Priestly and Jessica Merizan were in attendance. The thread recently was discussed because the point was made by Jessica that any future ME game would be one in which synthesis had occurred. The second main point that fits within this thread was that Jessica was asked about how much DLC was planned for ME3 and she said it could easily go the way of DA2.

I wouldn't place much emphasis on what Jessica Merizan says. It's quite likely, however, that fewer and fewer people will buy future DLCs, mainly because of the ending of the game. The Leviathan was basically the first SP DLC (not counting From Ashes), so it sold well. But Retake Omega  will prove whether ME3 DLCs have a viable future or not.

DrwEddy wrote...

Snypy wrote...

Perhaps the new management will try to appease fans by releasing a DLC with additional endings. 

Maybe. But how do we fans need to convince the management that we want additional endings?

 

That's the question. I guess we just gotta follow Garrus' example.

[Ozida]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Well, I'm all for stating your wishes.  At this point, petitions to them seem more like rubbing salt in a wound.  I don't want this to be a discussion of how good or bad things were handled by all (all fans and BW) before.  I do want this to be a step forward that could be something everyone could try to look at and find room for compromise.  I still say that we all (including me) need to tone down the confrontational aspect here.  Yes, we all have strong opinions often formed due to the void left when it seems BW people just gave up on this site.  There is also a natural inclination of all people to be self-protective and a need to be "right".  Well, being right isn't necessarily the same as being correct.  And standing on past principle often leaves you standing alone.

I think we need to ask, and I do mean ask whoever the powers that be are at Bioware, to really take a look at the awesome thing they've created-in and out of the game.  Whether positive or negative, very few games attract this kind of emotional and powerful attention.  Sure, negativity is hard to take, but it still should tell them something.  Why on Earth would people still be here asking for additions to the ending.  It's counter-intuitive.  I know some (including some people at Bioware) will think we're deluded, irrational, or obsessed.  Ok, maybe superficially if you don't want to look deeper and if you insist on being shallow. 

But, there's something more here than just some stereotypical, shallow view of this as mere idiocy.  It's the game and it's what the game was and what we hoped it would be.  It means actually that Bioware really succeeded more than they failed.  It means that we have hope, even if it's something false we adhere to.  In spite of all the negativity, we do hold onto one of the most positive things of all.  I think the point here is to keep asking Bioware to realize just how unique the game was and what a great job they did in character development and creating such an immersive thing.  And maybe then they'd see why the endings fall so far from that.

My only thing with petition was not to protest, really, but to use other medias to attract BW'sattention. Sadly as it is, BioWare seems not to use BSN to "listen to fan's feedback", as they state, so we should reach them in some other, new way, I guess. I'd rather they debate with us, even accuse us of being silly, instead they don't talk at all. It is very hard to shout against the silence, when all you hear is your own echo. Even if some have lost fate in ME3, at least we need to make sure that no same mistakes will happen again. And this what I am afraid the most: BioWare pretending that there are no issues. This is the weakest way to solve conflicts.

Kel Riever wrote...

It is not true that they can't do anything other than remake the whole game.

Having said that, despite that I think they should, I seriously doubt they will. They have too much at stake making sure they are wrong. Things like this get corrected after there are no sales, someone gets blamed, and then some people lose their jobs.

A bit radical methods, but they work, you are right. Although, I never wanted BioWare to go out of business (because, once again, it wouldn't solve the problem), as a corporation their profit should be one of the most importnat things to them. Not "artistic integrity", but profit. So saying: "Forget about those 5/ 3,000/ 10,000/ N' number of upset customer" is a loss on both end. Even if there is only a thousand of customers claiming that they will never buy another BW product after ME3, that's 80,000 dollars just going away. Could be a nice bonus for some dev, you know.

Modifié par Ozida, 21 septembre 2012 - 02:52 .

[Bierwichtel]

it's all about profit, more and more profit... an established fan base buying one's product is nice and dandy, but new customers and previously untapped target audience are bringing in the real moola, if one can catch them, that is...

problem one: appealing to your established fanbase will not bring the profit the beancounters demand

problem two: changing a product to appeal to a wider audience will p'ss off the established fanbase

problem three: the untapped target audience does not and will never know what it wants (huge marketing problem, one has to tell people what they like or want)
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from a business standpoint, a product is utterly flawed when it does three things: p'ss off the established fanbase, does NOT bring in new customers, does not make people want to buy it...
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losing an entire fanbase does not matter, as long as you can make different people want it...

which is the problem here, why they got away with changing the Mass Effect series with every iteration...

I could go into a lot more detail but... you probably do not want to listen to a marketing/business lecture...

Modifié par Bierwichtel, 21 septembre 2012 - 02:57 .

[darthoptimus003]

i just think tha mac or casey needs to take a time out and really LOOK at what was done to the game
95% was good they need to look at the other 5% and fix it
add a realy victory to refusal (high tms)
make destroy more of a victory (not genicide) (with right now it is)
and give shep a reunion with freinds and li
these 3 things people will pay for ($20 for me) just to get these and this would fix all the problems that most people have (well there might be a few that gonna hate one way or another) then every one will be happy and the best part BW are you listning you get PAID cha ching

[darthoptimus003]

Bierwichtel wrote...

it's all about profit, more and more profit... an established fan base buying one's product is nice and dandy, but new customers and previously untapped target audience are bringing in the real moola, if one can catch them, that is...

problem one: appealing to your established fanbase will not bring the profit the beancounters demand

problem two: changing a product to appeal to a wider audience will p'ss off the established fanbase

problem three: the untapped target audience does not and will never know what it wants (huge marketing problem, one has to tell people what they like or want)
----------------
from a business standpoint, a product is utterly flawed when it does three things: p'ss off the established fanbase, does NOT bring in new customers, does not make people want to buy it...
----------------
losing an entire fanbase does not matter, as long as you can make different people want it...

which is the problem here, why they got away with changing the Mass Effect series with every iteration...

I could go into a lot more detail but... you probably do not want to listen to a marketing/business lecture...

accually a lecture might be the only way to make BW understand what has gone wrong

[Bierwichtel]

IF and that's a big IF, they were to listen, which they won't because ultimately it's not really their decision to make...

beancounters have too much power for that...

it all boils down to numbers...

imagine a perfect game or movie, perfect to the fans at least....

now imagine those fans numbering into the 10s of thousands...

that game/movie only making a meagre profit of 500,000 dollars...

the beancounters would write it off as a failure no matter what the fans say...

Modifié par Bierwichtel, 21 septembre 2012 - 03:14 .

[N7 Lisbeth]

Ozida wrote...

Petition? Yay or nay?

Aren't threads like this one petitions in their own right?

Given the continued forum outrage, awareness that a large majority of the customers think the endings, even post-EC, proverbially suck can escape nobody in management.

Everyone's welcome to do what they like, I just know I have no intention of spending money on DLCs or future Mass Effect games if they can't get it right. They have to prove to me they can get it right by fixing ME3's endings. If they don't, well, their loss. I have no intention of buying ME4 if ME3 isn't fixed, and especially not if they canonise Synthesis.

And if that means no more DLCs for ME3 or no ME4, then so be it. I wouldn't like them anyway, if I had to judge by ME3. (I really enjoyed 95% of the game, but not the ending. And an ending to a trilogy was the whole point to ME3.)

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 21 septembre 2012 - 03:22 .

[Ozida]

Bierwichtel wrote...

IF and that's a big IF, they were to listen, which they won't because ultimately it's not really their decision to make...
beancounters have too much power for that...
it all boils down to numbers...
imagine a perfect game or movie, perfect to the fans at least....
now imagine those fans numbering into the 10s of thousands...
that game/movie only making a meagre profit of 500,000 dollars...
the beancounters would write it off as a failure no matter what the fans say...

I'd have to disagree, although I am just guessing due to no real business marketing degree. Big things have to start small. Imaging this perfect product being so fantastic, fans are talking about it again and again? Obviously that has to attract newer audience curious to see what's everybody is praising about. Company can easily start making additional products, likes action figures, stickers, cups and so on, which can be bought by fans to support extra profit (I mean, if it is trylly perfect, people are more eager to buy related stuff, right?). Then critics, seeing all the fuss about that product, would start writing amazing reviews, attracting even more people's attentions. After that a sequel can be much more profitable, becuase everybody has heard about this "perfect product", and even if they were not involved in the first part, they might want to check out the second one. It all comes to a good marketing, I think.

For example, the Hunger Games were written before the movie came out. Some people talked about it, and it attracted movie director attention. With the marketing they have made it such a big thing, that practically everybody watched the movie. After that people went and bought books to. Same with Doom movie as well. Fans were talking about how great the last game was, and people who wasn't interested in gaming saw a horror movie that attracted them back to the game. I am sure there are other examples, but did you know that one man sold rocks as pets? Rocks! You can sell snow in the winter well if you know how to talk.

ETA:

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

Ozida wrote...
Petition? Yay or nay?

Aren't threads like this one petitions in their own right?

Given the continued forum outrage, awareness that a large majority of the customers think the endings, even post-EC, proverbially suck can escape nobody in management.

Everyone's welcome to do what they like, I just know I have no intention of spending money on DLCs or future Mass Effect games if they can't get it right. They have to prove to me they can get it right by fixing ME3's endings. If they don't, well, their loss. I have no intention of buying ME4 if ME3 isn't fixed, and especially not if they canonise Synthesis.

I guess, it is. I just think it will be... problematic for BW people to go over 185 pages (I am sure it will be more soon) to get the full picture. A petition could be a simplified way to express what we want. But once again, I am just looking for optional ways to reach them, that's all.

As for the buyng/ not buying future games and DLCs, I have seen many people saying that, and I think those people have all the rights to do what they want. But if I were BioWare, I would be concerned at least that my customers claim they won't buy from me again. Even if there are few, there are still money walking away.

Modifié par Ozida, 21 septembre 2012 - 03:25 .

[darthoptimus003]

true but the negitive press would go away and they need that to happen and if they would just listen to the fans they would get paid
in a previous post i said how this could get fixed

[Bierwichtel]

you are partly right of course, but to this day video games still have the problem of not really being mass-marketable, still being a niche-product... general consensus of a lot of people still is that games are for children (sadly so).

Gamers talking about games can attract other gamers to a product, with that I concur, yet there are a lot of none-gamers out there (more than there are gamers) who could not be made to be interested in such a product.

it is a numbers game, quite like the arithmetic of war...

selling a product ultimately means several things:

a) you want to recoup your own investments
you want to make a profit
c) you want to keep that profit making maching alive as long as possible (cash-cow)

a different example:
a company's board of directors (having been instructed by their shareholder for example) that last year's profit was not high enough (while at the same time raising their own salaries, but that's beside the point)

so they hire an "expert" (a beancounter more or less) with a businees degree to tell them how to raise the company's profit...

so said beancounter, instead of telling them to lower their own salaries, he tells them to fire a few hundred people...

yadda, yadda, yadda... profit raised, workers fired, share-holders appeased, bonuses achieved...

[3DandBeyond]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

i just think tha mac or casey needs to take a time out and really LOOK at what was done to the game
95% was good they need to look at the other 5% and fix it
add a realy victory to refusal (high tms)
make destroy more of a victory (not genicide) (with right now it is)
and give shep a reunion with freinds and li
these 3 things people will pay for ($20 for me) just to get these and this would fix all the problems that most people have (well there might be a few that gonna hate one way or another) then every one will be happy and the best part BW are you listning you get PAID cha ching

Yes, this is exactly what I'm saying.  Look at it, don't just see it through that part you worked on, but the whole thing, and then look at what fans feel about it and what they say.  Get beyond the noise.  Not everyone is tactful.  It's a fact of life.  But even the nastiest person can sometimes have a pearl of wisdom that you'd be foolish to ignore. 

They can do something that will benefit all, even those who don't want anything changed.

And, as far as suggestions for petitions.  I'm not saying anyone has bad intent about them.  I think the perception of the community is so jaded about such things, that it just would add to tensions, no matter how well intended.  This community is so ready to pounce on any little thing said by anyone that I think you can say "art" and you just started a war.  I think petitions are kind of like that for Bioware.  At this point they are something they ignore-there have been too many.  I do think they work still for other devs, and are good ideas. 

It's kind of like this thread-in some ways, I think they've made up their minds already.  But this thread shows and is a running, current, and obvious message to them, that they can still change their minds.  It also helps to get different views out there about it all, and as long as it's constructive, that's a good thing.  I'm not saying this is the best thread for that, but it is one way to get the point across.  I've also seen other threads that people created (a lot of them) that kind of took up the same message-people asking Bioware to take a real look at all that has happened and at what the games were and what people loved about them.  Of course, BW doesn't want multiple threads on the same topic, but I didn't see the mods locking them down.

[3DandBeyond]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

Ozida wrote...

Petition? Yay or nay?

Aren't threads like this one petitions in their own right?

Given the continued forum outrage, awareness that a large majority of the customers think the endings, even post-EC, proverbially suck can escape nobody in management.

Everyone's welcome to do what they like, I just know I have no intention of spending money on DLCs or future Mass Effect games if they can't get it right. They have to prove to me they can get it right by fixing ME3's endings. If they don't, well, their loss. I have no intention of buying ME4 if ME3 isn't fixed, and especially not if they canonise Synthesis.

And if that means no more DLCs for ME3 or no ME4, then so be it. I wouldn't like them anyway, if I had to judge by ME3. (I really enjoyed 95% of the game, but not the ending. And an ending to a trilogy was the whole point to ME3.)

Your post is a good one, and the last statement exactly right.  It's that whole journey/destination thing.  A story is as much about the destination (or more) as it is the journey along the way.  The journey is meant to give you pieces to get to the end.  The end is supposed to draw together all those pieces and be satisfying-the end makes the journey worth taking.  With ME, you take in 5 years of waiting, for many people, to get to the point where you can face Shepard's nightmares, the creatures that people didn't want to believe existed.  You've got a true believer who must force others to believe as well. 

At the end, you want all of the struggles, internally and externally, to be justified and to be addressed and to have closure.  If Shepard was good and true and heroic, you want that to mean something.  If Shepard was a jerk and ruthless and fickle and selfish, you want that to mean something.  And you want to be satisfied.  The torso is a joke and a cruel one.  The choices are some parts of a Machiavellian ploy on the part of the kid, his creators, or some other unknown beings, as well as the devs as to be sadistic to those who wanted something uplifting.  People can argue that they aren't, but to me, they are.  It's like, no matter what you do, nothing good that you can definitively state is good has been achieved.  And then, you get a slide show of your vacation.

[Pain87]

With the new ME, Bioware has a chance.
When the new ME is a Sequel...i think(and a lot of the other German People in the German Forums) Bioware should´nt take one of the actually Endings a a Canon, whatever...but they can create a new Ending, to give us a Canon, now they have a really GOOD Reason, too create a new Ending.
They said it...no of the actually Endings is canon...so Bioware can give us a Canon End, what they create.
Even, alle four Endings are Bad:
Synthesis: All People are Hybrids, Reapers are there....what Problems should be dangerous for the Galaxie?
Controll: Same as Synthesis...and after all, for a NEW ME, i think ...the Reapers must be away, once and for all
Destroy: Reapers destroyed, but without the Geth..ME isn´t ME
Refusal: Bad Canon Ending...because all what we loved is gone, so it isn´t our ME Universe.
What means this? I think, that means: Give us a Canon Ending...a new One.

I apologize again, when my English isn´t the Best^.-

Modifié par Pain87, 21 septembre 2012 - 04:11 .

[darthoptimus003]

and that right there is why most people are still angry that truthfully NONE of the choices that we made matter
we pretty much spent $300+ on a trilogy spent god knows how man hours on multi playthurs and in the end none of it mattered and people feel betrayed and stole from.
three things where asked for to make this better and what happened was a refusal ending that pretty much said FU. ec explained some stuff not the major stuff
Mass Effect 3 needs an ending worthy of the trilogy and there are 3 things that would do it all BW has to do is listen
ive been a loyal supporter of BW like others since KOTOR. i want bioware to take my money cause they have made great games. thats what a load of people are trying to tell them.
paid dlc to fix this is a good way to get some of the lost fans back wonder why they arnt jumping at the chance

[Snypy]

Bierwichtel wrote...

IF and that's a big IF, they were to listen, which they won't because ultimately it's not really their decision to make...

beancounters have too much power for that...

it all boils down to numbers...

imagine a perfect game or movie, perfect to the fans at least....

now imagine those fans numbering into the 10s of thousands...

that game/movie only making a meagre profit of 500,000 dollars...

the beancounters would write it off as a failure no matter what the fans say...

I'd say it's the other way around. BioWare only says it wants to listen, but it doesn't really do so; its PR department completely failed. They still insist on the artistic integrity as an excuse not to make new endings. And the adverse publicity from so many fans is hurting the entire franchise.

It appears the bean counters don't have enough power, or they don't want to have it. (EA's motives are as mysterious as those of the Reapers). The development of a DLC with one new ending would be relatively cheap. Now, let's assume the DLC would be offered for 160 BW points and 20-30% of ME3 owners would definitely buy it. The earnings from the sales would easily pay for the development. But let's say that the final profit from the DLC would be zero. All those fans, suddenly happy with the ending, would also buy several additional DLCs (such as the Leviathan and the Omega). Therefore, the earnings from the additional sales of other DLCs would make the DLC with a new ending very profitable.

To sum this up, the DLC with a new ending would satisfy the bean counters (EA), because it would finance itself (it would be risk-free). The overall profit of ME3 would be higher due to the increase in sales of other DLCs. And the company would get rid of the majority of the bad publicity. It's win - win - win for the bean counters.

Modifié par Snypy, 21 septembre 2012 - 04:45 .

[Bierwichtel]

Snypy wrote...

Bierwichtel wrote...

IF and that's a big IF, they were to listen, which they won't because ultimately it's not really their decision to make...

beancounters have too much power for that...

it all boils down to numbers...

imagine a perfect game or movie, perfect to the fans at least....

now imagine those fans numbering into the 10s of thousands...

that game/movie only making a meagre profit of 500,000 dollars...

the beancounters would write it off as a failure no matter what the fans say...

I'd say it's the other way around. BioWare only says it wants to listen, but it doesn't really do so; its PR department completely failed. They still insist on the artistic integrity as an excuse not to make new endings. And the adverse publicity from so many fans is hurting the entire franchise.

It appears the bean counters don't have enough power, or they don't want to have it (EA's motives are as mysterious as those of the Reapers). The development of a DLC with one new ending would be relatively cheap. Now, let's assume the DLC would be sold for 160 BW points and 20-30% of ME3 owners would definitely buy it. The earnings from the sales would easily pay for the development. But let's say that the final profit from the DLC would be zero. All those fans, suddenly happy with the ending, would also buy several additional DLCs (such as the Leviathan and the Omega). Therefore, the earnings from the additional sales of other DLCs would make the DLC with a new ending very profitable.

To sum this up, the DLC with a new ending would satisfy the bean counters (EA), because it would finance itself. The overall profit would be higher due to the increase in sales of other ME3 related DLCs. And the company would get rid of the majority of the bad publicity. It's win - win - win for the bean counters.

in an ideal scenario you would be quite right indeed... which this is not.

this is admittedly a moot point anyway, as we, the fans, have no influence on the product... not to the extend we would like anyway...

buy the product; exacerbate the problem as the people in charge believe they can get away with even more atrocities

do not buy the product; the people in charge will decide it's turned into a non-profitable one and cancel everything that might be in production...

Modifié par Bierwichtel, 21 septembre 2012 - 04:47 .

[darthoptimus003]

i just thought of something
what happened with shepards apartment the one from pinnicle station dlc i would mind that dlc so you and LI have a place to go other than the citadal sorry just thought of it

[darthoptimus003]

Bierwichtel wrote...

Snypy wrote...

Bierwichtel wrote...

IF and that's a big IF, they were to listen, which they won't because ultimately it's not really their decision to make...

beancounters have too much power for that...

it all boils down to numbers...

imagine a perfect game or movie, perfect to the fans at least....

now imagine those fans numbering into the 10s of thousands...

that game/movie only making a meagre profit of 500,000 dollars...

the beancounters would write it off as a failure no matter what the fans say...

I'd say it's the other way around. BioWare only says it wants to listen, but it doesn't really do so; its PR department completely failed. They still insist on the artistic integrity as an excuse not to make new endings. And the adverse publicity from so many fans is hurting the entire franchise.

It appears the bean counters don't have enough power, or they don't want to have it (EA's motives are as mysterious as those of the Reapers). The development of a DLC with one new ending would be relatively cheap. Now, let's assume the DLC would be sold for 160 BW points and 20-30% of ME3 owners would definitely buy it. The earnings from the sales would easily pay for the development. But let's say that the final profit from the DLC would be zero. All those fans, suddenly happy with the ending, would also buy several additional DLCs (such as the Leviathan and the Omega). Therefore, the earnings from the additional sales of other DLCs would make the DLC with a new ending very profitable.

To sum this up, the DLC with a new ending would satisfy the bean counters (EA), because it would finance itself. The overall profit would be higher due to the increase in sales of other ME3 related DLCs. And the company would get rid of the majority of the bad publicity. It's win - win - win for the bean counters.

in an ideal scenario you would be quite right indeed... which this is not.

this is admittedly a moot point anyway, as we, the fans, have no influence on the product... not to the extend we would like anyway...

buy the product; exacerbate the problem as the people in charge believe they can get away with even more atrocities

do not buy the product; the people in charge will decide it's turned into a non-profitable one and cancel everything that might be in production...

its a double edge sword isnt it

[Bierwichtel]

and as for DLC practically paying itself: how I wish that was true, then the producers would listen to the demands of the fans, not the demands of their own bank accounts...

one more point I have to make:

the people in charge, the people who fund the production do not care about the product itself, they only ever care about their bottom line...

(example: Uwe Boll and his tax-dodging movies, crappy product, huge margin of profit... in this case every person who watches one of his movies, be it just to experience the sh'ttyness of those trainwrecks, or actually liking them, admittedly I enjoy Postal very much, just for its overall wrongness, flood the producers' coffers with a lot of moola)

a product does not have to be good to sell well, just take a look at the train wreck that is contemporary television (admittedly, I have not really watched television in nigh on ten years)

[Bierwichtel]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

i just thought of something
what happened with shepards apartment the one from pinnicle station dlc i would mind that dlc so you and LI have a place to go other than the citadal sorry just thought of it

would be awe and then some...

Jane Shepard-T'Soni just lounging on the patio (I know, I know Inta'sei's atmosphere does not really lend itself well to this, but I can dream) Liara Shepard-T'Soni sitting between her legs, enjoying her ministration, their four, little, blue children being all ick-ed out, as they kiss...

Ashley and Samantha sitting arm in arm on the patio-stairs... being amused by the childrens' antics, kissing as well to ick them out even more (being the evil aunties and all)

a little Turian boy, followed by a little Quarian girl, running around the corner of the house laughing their little heads off, being chased by a geth... (Tali and Garrus needed some time off, so Shepard, Liara, Ash and Sam volunteered to baby-sit...)

while I'm dreaming: I want a pony... (to paraphrase Susi Derkins...)

[Snypy]

Bierwichtel wrote...

Snypy wrote...

Bierwichtel wrote...

IF and that's a big IF, they were to listen, which they won't because ultimately it's not really their decision to make...

beancounters have too much power for that...

it all boils down to numbers...

imagine a perfect game or movie, perfect to the fans at least....

now imagine those fans numbering into the 10s of thousands...

that game/movie only making a meagre profit of 500,000 dollars...

the beancounters would write it off as a failure no matter what the fans say...

I'd say it's the other way around. BioWare only says it wants to listen, but it doesn't really do so; its PR department completely failed. They still insist on the artistic integrity as an excuse not to make new endings. And the adverse publicity from so many fans is hurting the entire franchise.

It appears the bean counters don't have enough power, or they don't want to have it (EA's motives are as mysterious as those of the Reapers). The development of a DLC with one new ending would be relatively cheap. Now, let's assume the DLC would be sold for 160 BW points and 20-30% of ME3 owners would definitely buy it. The earnings from the sales would easily pay for the development. But let's say that the final profit from the DLC would be zero. All those fans, suddenly happy with the ending, would also buy several additional DLCs (such as the Leviathan and the Omega). Therefore, the earnings from the additional sales of other DLCs would make the DLC with a new ending very profitable.

To sum this up, the DLC with a new ending would satisfy the bean counters (EA), because it would finance itself. The overall profit would be higher due to the increase in sales of other ME3 related DLCs. And the company would get rid of the majority of the bad publicity. It's win - win - win for the bean counters.

in an ideal scenario you would be quite right indeed... which this is not.

this is admittedly a moot point anyway, as we, the fans, have no influence on the product... not to the extend we would like anyway...

buy the product; exacerbate the problem as the people in charge believe they can get away with even more atrocities

do not buy the product; the people in charge will decide it's turned into a non-profitable one and cancel everything that might be in production...

At any rate, I think we had more influence on the product when Dr. Ray Muzyka was around than we will ever have with the new management.

EDIT:

and as for DLC practically paying itself: how I wish that was true, then the producers would listen to the demands of the fans, not the demands of their own bank accounts... 

The ending DLC would pay itself as there's obviously enormous demand for it. But BioWare doesn't want to make it because of Walters' and Hudson's artistic integrity...

Modifié par Snypy, 21 septembre 2012 - 05:06 .