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[dreman9999]

Bathaius wrote...

I agree with all the ideas in this post. I think certain lines will come off insulting, simply because how can someone not take it personal when someone says, "I truly wish you had chosen someone without depression issues to write ME3's ending."

But so much of this captures what the fanbase is asking for in the ending to ME3. They wanted something that was not downright maddeningly sad, depressing, confusing, and frustrating for the ending to this beloved series. Genocide, really!? After spending hours and hours creating peace with synthetics only to say 'kill them all!'

But it doesn't matter. Mass Effect's ending is already set in stone, and will always be remembered for how badly for most of us it failed.

If you new what the origianl plan for the ending of ME as a series was, you'll find that what you just said was bs.

Your choices  were going to be in the dark energy plot to ether let humaity be harvested and save the galexy or doom the galexy by kill the reapers..This is from the original headwriter of ME....

[dreman9999]

Bathaius wrote...

I agree with all the ideas in this post. I think certain lines will come off insulting, simply because how can someone not take it personal when someone says, "I truly wish you had chosen someone without depression issues to write ME3's ending."

But so much of this captures what the fanbase is asking for in the ending to ME3. They wanted something that was not downright maddeningly sad, depressing, confusing, and frustrating for the ending to this beloved series. Genocide, really!? After spending hours and hours creating peace with synthetics only to say 'kill them all!'

But it doesn't matter. Mass Effect's ending is already set in stone, and will always be remembered for how badly for most of us it failed.

If you knew what the origianal plan for the ending of ME as a series was, you'll find that what you just said was bs.

Your choices  were going to be in the dark energy plot to ether let humaity be harvested and save the galexy or doom the galexy by kill the reapers..This is from the original headwriter of ME....

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 août 2012 - 11:02 .

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

nobody knows the actual number of people who like or dislike the endings, personally everyone should stop trying to use that phrase

Good, than that means this topic  the op put up is pointless and just a vague number of people whining...Agein.

um, no thats not what it means and don't put words in my mouth, because she's clearly talking about the rest of us who feels the same way as her.

and pls check your spelling

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

LOL.  I'm not asking you to accept anything.  In fact, you should go do it yourself and reach own conclusions.  It's not hard.

Just walk into a store and talk to the sales people.  See what they say.  They like games.  They are happy to talk about it.  And if you ask what pre-order customers thought about the endings or "launch night" customers, they will tell you.

I'm sure that the business people at BioWare will compile all the statistics they need.  And, again, there is too much money on the table not to do something to deal with this huge group of customers.

But by all means, do what I did and go ask for yourself.

Your assuming I did not already do so. Did you not read when I said I asked 5 thousand people and they liked it as opposed to your smaller group who said did not. Point I am making is you cannot just say asked people who supply no proof and be taken as fact that you did so. Just like I cannot prove I asked 5 thousand. You should not be using potentially fictional people to make a claim of majority or minority. To be honest the only thing going to do by even bringing up majority vs minority in this discussion, will just get this thread locked of which I have no desire to do because I do not actually think this thread deserves to be locked even if my opinion is different to that of the OP.

My argument is simply this:  I believe that fixing this issue is good for customers.  That is good for customer relations and good financially for BioWare.  I don't think that argument is likely to cause the thread to be locked. 

And I think the OP was one of the most thoughtful and heartfelt posts I have read on BSN.  Bravo!

[wicked117]

Moirai wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Xellith wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Your post doesn't bother me because I didn't bother reading past the part I quoted earlier.

@ the bolded part.

That wasn't the point I was making. Facebook polls that have an upward of 25K votes (larger sample size than any EC poll on BSN) suggests that the majority like the EC ending. They will not push back their DLC schedule for you and the minority.

I'm not even trying to sound harsh. This is what it is. Capitalism. 

https://www.facebook...6509146424475/  Thats the official one I believe.

Correct.

Over 25K votes.

~20.6 K of those played the EC. 17K of those that played it at least met most of their expectations.

And as I stated at that time and tweeted Bioware; that poll was flawed as a true measue of whether customers thought it was fundamentally 'good' or not.

Meeting or not meeting someones 'expectations' means nothing, unless you know what peoples expectations actually are. That's precisely why Bioware worded the poll that way. They were never gouing to ask whether people thought it was good or bad. Way too dangerous territory that...

As it was, it did pretty much meet my expectations. But only because I was expecting so little from it in the first place. I didn't go into any great depth in reading comments, admittedly. But I got the sincere impression that I wasn't alone in that viewpoint.

You're not alone. It met most of my expectations but I didn't have high expectations for it in the first place so that's not saying much. 

[kyban]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

This is another attempt to imply all anyone wants is bunnies and rainbows with no consequences.  In fact, a better ending should be hard to get.  I've always said that.  I've even said that a truly sacrificial bittersweet should exist, but doesn't.  There are downsides that exist already.  The galaxy is a total mess as it should be for a war of this scale.  The fact that the current endings don't reflect that is part of the craziness of the endings.  Everything's so easily rebuilt, and the sun will come out tomorrow, with sappy cutscenes.  That is why part of my vision of things had to do with the rebuilding aftermath.  Anyone that thinks that people will just skip hand in hand together as they try to dig their way back to normalcy is deluded by the game's "epilogue".

You want downsides how about this:
Palaven burning
Thessia almost totally destroyed
Billions in this cycle made into goo or dead-how many Einsteins, Hawkings, Mother Theresas, and Sharon Osbournes were lost?
Trillions of those in past cycles gone forever
The Batarians decimated (ok, many don't like them, but we don't really know them)
Mordin dead
Thane dead
Legion dead

Samara lost another daughter and the refuge for the other is all but destroyed
Shepard died once
TIM, no matter what he became he was once a hero, dead
Anderson, dead
Earth in ruins-it likely took the brunt of it since humans were the target
Horizon destroyed
Eden Prime destroyed
Other outlying colonies-wiped out

The whole basis for the advancement and knowledge of people is in question-how much of it based on any real independent thought and how much on reaper tech?
The galaxy brought down to the equivalent of its infancy-people given self-determination and reliance, must learn on their own, find their own way.

And more.
Sacrifice has happened, already and is only done when it is for something-the greater good.  In capitulating with the foe the greater good does not exist so sacrificed is pointless suicide.  Why fight to keep an enemy from getting something that in the next minute you will just hand over freely?  And what I see is choices that are not gifts being given by Shepard dying or by killing others, they are chains being placed on the galaxy-chains they may never be rid of.

Thank you. The ending slides are like propaganda pictures.

Now I'll add things unique to the Destroy Ending:

Geth dead -- we see them no where
represented in the extended cut and these people would have been a huge
asset to helping rebuild.

All AIs and VIs based on reaper code including EDI because the wave can read reaper code. What I don't understand is why people don't make backups of software anymore, thus enabling them to restore AIs like EDI to their former state, but I didn't write this crap.

You know these are other things that people tend to gloss over. Hackett says "The Mass Relays are SEVERELY damaged. Did anyone really look at the Charon relay as the fleet passed it? Does it look as simple as assembling an Erector Set? No. How about the Citadel? Does that look as simple as assembling a set of Tinker Toys? No. You know does it look simple without such minor inconveniences like a manufacturing base, let alone understanding the technology of these things in the first place? No.

The "Artists' Conception" of the completed Citadel is at minimum a 400 hundred years in the future, people. The relay system won't get completely fixed for several thousand years. Why? First we have to figure out how the technology works. This is going to require the birth of an Einstein, Hawking, or several of them. We may have them, or they may have gotten mashed into goop. They have to have that "ah ha!" moment. Then it has to become practical. We have to fly by FTL to each of them, assess the damage, fly back and forth via FTL with parts to rebuild, and then remap them. Then move onto the next one.This is going to take a ****load of time. If we had the help of the Geth available it might, and I say might cut the time in half because they can work 24/7. 10,000 year "dark age" for destroy. The sacrifice was already made.
It's not like "oh, no problem, we'll just wave a magic wand and build it in the next 50 years. It's so simple. We'll just make these components and fly them up there, but wait. Where are we going to make the components.... hmmm. We've got to build factories first. Oh. Major inconvenience. How many people we have left on earth? 2 billion? 3 billion?

We have a major humanitarian crisis that has to be dealt with first before all the rebuilding gets to take place.

Major hubs of course get taken care of first (Earth, Palaven, Thessia, Rannoch, Illium, Sur'Kesh, Tuchanka, Arcturus). Probably 100 - 400 yrs for these, and they'll be direct routes. The rest of the galaxy? It will take thousands of years.

No problem for Control or Synthesis because the friendly reapers are helping. It's their tech. A few hundred years for the entire galaxy. You understand now?

All these are solved with Control and Synthesis endings because the reapers help out. So don't give us the horse hockey that this would unbalance the endings. The sacrifice has already been made.

We thought that the reapers could not be trusted, that no one could control them, and that we shouldn't impose a new galactic order on the galaxy, and thus we destroyed the reapers and their controller along with the Geth and EDI and were penalized by being left in a pile of garbage with a 10,000 yr "rebuilding age."

You sacrificed yourselves perhaps to save the Geth and EDI either to control the reapers or synthesize with them, and were rewarded with the help of the reapers in rebuilding the galaxy in short order.

Let us have our reunion. I even say leave the Geth out of the Destroy ending. 

Posters like you two give me hope.

hear hear!

[MegaSovereign]

And you're now trying to argue assumptions.

You're assuming that because people felt that the EC improved on the original endings that it automatically means that they 'liked' them. Wrong. That's just a convenient simplification for a point of argument.

Like I said, Bioware worded the poll that way for a specific reason. A very sensible and understandable PR reason from their perspective. It gives them far more flexibility in terms of perceived interpretation.

Look, most people who hated the endings aren't going to vote the higher options because that's counter productive to their agenda.

Even on BSN the polls were in favor of the EC (A close ~60/40 split) when it first released.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 30 août 2012 - 11:06 .

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

nobody knows the actual number of people who like or dislike the endings, personally everyone should stop trying to use that phrase

Good, than that means this topic  the op put up is pointless and just a vague number of people whining...Agein.

um, no thats not what it means and don't put words in my mouth, because she's clearly talking about the rest of us who feels the same way as her.

and pls check your spelling

I not saying what you mean. I say what the reality of it is. No one can come here as an indivisual and say the majority wants this. Their is no offiacial majority post- ec. I am say this topic is point less because it is.

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

AresKeith wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

LOL.  I'm not asking you to accept anything.  In fact, you should go do it yourself and reach own conclusions.  It's not hard.

Just walk into a store and talk to the sales people.  See what they say.  They like games.  They are happy to talk about it.  And if you ask what pre-order customers thought about the endings or "launch night" customers, they will tell you.

I'm sure that the business people at BioWare will compile all the statistics they need.  And, again, there is too much money on the table not to do something to deal with this huge group of customers.

But by all means, do what I did and go ask for yourself.

I've done the samething before too, only a couple of them said the ending was ok, the rest didn't like it. I even told and showed my cousins the ending and they said it was stupid

Exactly.  I'm not surprised.

I do it everytime I go into a new store.  The sales people love to talk about it.  The people who didn't hate it, just give the endings a "Meh."

[Warrior Craess]

dreman9999 wrote...

drayfish wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It more of the case the BW want to tell the story it wants and not do it based on commity. They added more to the ending as a comprimse. They don't need to do the cahnges to meet you needs and you and your views are not the majority.

It's interesting that at one point - for several years actually - the celebrated catch-cry of Mass Effect was that 'there is no canon'; 'this is your Shepard, your story'.  Suddenly now at the end anyone who is dissatisfied with the conclusion gets painted as a crybaby entitled whiner who can't appreciate that this was Bioware's story all along. 

For those who are happy with the conclusion as it stands, I am glad for you (and envious), but there is no need for anyone to inflict their personal opinion on anyone else, telling them they have no right to feel the way they do about their own individual experience of the game.

Please, the ending do not contridict that. It would only be do it only one ending exsists.
In BW games we are alway given the choice to pick an action besed ong the choices BW given. We never choose what the choice are we had to pick. Saying because they are not the choice you want does not mean you have no choice nor bwis contridicting themselve. Every computer base rpg is like this what we have to choose out of the choices the deginers put into the game. Some games more then others have more choice, but the paly never changes what the choices are. You dicide what you do  but not what the game is about.

People see complant on the end choices as whining because we always had to pick the choice put in the game, not dicide what choices are put in the game.

Dreman9999 you gotta have a head made of stone to be this dense.  If there is no Canon how can you possibly tell another player how their game play is? This is specifically what I mean by it's our interpretation. 

You didn't play my game, your shepard/s didn't make the same choices mine did, and obviously certainly not for the same reason.  Quit telling other people why they are wrong in their interpretation of the game. 

I swear it's like being talked at by Marc "no thats not what we meant by the endings at all, your just too stupid to see it" Walters.

[3DandBeyond]

The problem is in trying to even address the issue of whether more people liked or disliked the endings or not. Facebook is not a reliable indicator nor is there a truly reliable indicator that exists. EA may want to determine things by how we played and may think we all want MP only, but they'd be wrong. Sales figures may even make them think everyone just loved the game and endings, and so they should make more just like this, but they may be wrong. A lot of people bought ME3 and were stuck with it, they couldn't return it. Video game players have previously really not been big on returning games except for bad disks. This may change things-hopefully, it will. IGN says it's dangerous-well of course it is. It makes IGN irrelevant and it also may empower game consumers to pay attention. Don't accept garbage. I'm not saying ME3 is just garbage, but it's a sign of things that have been happening. Unless you buy a Bethesda game (bugs and all), you are generally getting less and less content for your money, especially in franchises (series). BTW, the 2 Game Stops near me had a run on returns of ME3.

But what I do know about this whole thing is Amazon and other retailers did make exceptions for returns because of the outcry. I know the EC didn't really change the choices you got, except for adding Refuse/Reject, but they did add pretty pictures, more dialogue from the least revered character in the game (so apparently many think more of the kid was a good thing), and it retconned some things to make them even more foolish, but did little to add substantive meaning to the choices for me. In many ways it made them worse because Shepard is given a chance to speak and fails to ask so truly important questions.

And at the very least what ME3 has done to me is squashed any desire to ever pre-order a game. That may be the one thing that will get EA's attention.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

nobody knows the actual number of people who like or dislike the endings, personally everyone should stop trying to use that phrase

Good, than that means this topic  the op put up is pointless and just a vague number of people whining...Agein.

um, no thats not what it means and don't put words in my mouth, because she's clearly talking about the rest of us who feels the same way as her.

and pls check your spelling

I not saying what you mean. I say what the reality of it is. No one can come here as an indivisual and say the majority wants this. Their is no offiacial majority post- ec. I am say this topic is point less because it is.

Your the only one who really thinks that, while the some of the others just disagree with her OP

[Kenshen]

Not going to bother reading this whole thread but I doubt it is BW that has to be convinced. EA is the one in charge and they already got their cash. What the OP is asking for is not even realistic. The cost involved would be just like making a new game (actually more like an expansion). At this point if I was in charge I wouldn't even consider it.

[dreman9999]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

LOL.  I'm not asking you to accept anything.  In fact, you should go do it yourself and reach own conclusions.  It's not hard.

Just walk into a store and talk to the sales people.  See what they say.  They like games.  They are happy to talk about it.  And if you ask what pre-order customers thought about the endings or "launch night" customers, they will tell you.

I'm sure that the business people at BioWare will compile all the statistics they need.  And, again, there is too much money on the table not to do something to deal with this huge group of customers.

But by all means, do what I did and go ask for yourself.

Your assuming I did not already do so. Did you not read when I said I asked 5 thousand people and they liked it as opposed to your smaller group who said did not. Point I am making is you cannot just say asked people who supply no proof and be taken as fact that you did so. Just like I cannot prove I asked 5 thousand. You should not be using potentially fictional people to make a claim of majority or minority. To be honest the only thing going to do by even bringing up majority vs minority in this discussion, will just get this thread locked of which I have no desire to do because I do not actually think this thread deserves to be locked even if my opinion is different to that of the OP.

My argument is simply this:  I believe that fixing this issue is good for customers.  That is good for customer relations and good financially for BioWare.  I don't think that argument is likely to cause the thread to be locked. 

And I think the OP was one of the most thoughtful and heartfelt posts I have read on BSN.  Bravo!

Let me ask you this...How much people feel the new endings are an issue? The arguement here is  does it need more fixing?
Most peoplr are ok with the new endings. The question is who is the magority.

[robertthebard]

3DandBeyond wrote...

robertthebard wrote...


It was announced as Shepard's last dance.  The end of the trilogy.  I asked this before and was ignored, but again, BioWare already has problems with the community due to protagonists that are still alive, but not part of the story, see the Dragon Age forums.  Why would they want to inflict that upon themselves again.  I have seen "they should have just killed off the Warden, or Hawke to end it, instead of 'they ride off into the sunset'".  So now, it's "you should have let us see him ride off into the sunset" despite the fact that there have been posts on this very forum that stated that w/out Shepard, there is no ME universe.

You say you ask for it back, but you support Synthesis?  I took my Paragon Shep back through the other night, after Leviathan, to see the dialog changes, and you know what, I didn't see one line in the dialog that said "Can I just shoot the tube now please?".  I despise the whole concept, and you know that I do, we've been down this road before, but you are oversensationalizing to make a point.  The topic title is sensationalized too, and erroneous.  The right thing, according to me, would be to add a legend save at the beam in London.  That's my ideal ending.  I did everything I could, but in the end, they were just too strong.  If I could export at that point, I'd be ecstatic about it, I thought that would have been the ultimate ending to the series.  But I digress, in the vid after, it does show Thessia in ruins, or part of it, it does show Earth in ruins, or part of it.  We saw Palaven early, and I don't recall if there's a shot or not, and we saw the galaxy map on the way in to Earth.  I don't know what Synthesis, Control or Refusal show, as I have two saves there, and both chose Destroy.  One died, and got a funeral, the other didn't die, which I feel was a mistake on BioWare's part, since Shepard is done, might as well let Shepard be done.

No I don't support any of these endings, least of all synthesis.  And I have always appreciated your view and if I had my wish, your ending would be one of many-total annihilation would happen, but there would be some way to achieve the opposite.  The endings now are contrived and unreal to me.  I'd have rather seen (truly I would) leaders that calculate Earth is lost and that decide the citadel is the source of power for the reapers or the focal point and they work to destroy it which unfortunately also destroys Earth.  This makes more sense than the geth and EDI gratuitous deaths.

I did feel that the endings should have been more about how good or bad you are at accomplishing the goal of defeating (destroying, obliterating) the reapers and that some way of making it happen could have been logically put into the story, even if it was the Batarians studying the Leviathans of Dis that found a weakness-imagine the irony.

I never wanted one super sappy happy ending-I wanted a variety.  But, I have come to the conclusion that we did get what we got and any change I'd prefer would be a total ending rewrite.  What I now suggest is more minor changes that would fit what we've been given and wouldn't involve that much work.

The big problem with the Batarians finding anything, which would be ironic, is that they all got indoctrinated.  If you did BDtS and saved the hostages, Balak will explain that when you encounter him in 3.  It would be ironic though.  My whole thing through all of this is just that I can find closure in what I choose as an ending, and as much as I hope to get an export point there, I know if I ever want to replay a different Shepard, I'll have to make myself do it.  My Self Righteous Refusal Paragon got stuck, because I got caught up by some of the new weapon packs, and had to start over in ME 1 to get a different Shepard up there.  I tried to just change classes in the editor, and broke it.  I had a back up, but by then I was stuck on the new idea, and this is why my guildmates hate me in MMO's, I'm an altaholic.  I get a new idea, and I have to see what it's like.  But the new Shepard is just about done with the "Make me happy missions" in ME 2, so I'm about ready to start ME 3, again...No replayability my ass...

[3DandBeyond]

kyban wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...


Thank you. The ending slides are like propaganda pictures.

Now I'll add things unique to the Destroy Ending:

Geth dead -- we see them no where
represented in the extended cut and these people would have been a huge
asset to helping rebuild.

All AIs and VIs based on reaper code including EDI because the wave can read reaper code. What I don't understand is why people don't make backups of software anymore, thus enabling them to restore AIs like EDI to their former state, but I didn't write this crap.

You know these are other things that people tend to gloss over. Hackett says "The Mass Relays are SEVERELY damaged. Did anyone really look at the Charon relay as the fleet passed it? Does it look as simple as assembling an Erector Set? No. How about the Citadel? Does that look as simple as assembling a set of Tinker Toys? No. You know does it look simple without such minor inconveniences like a manufacturing base, let alone understanding the technology of these things in the first place? No.

The "Artists' Conception" of the completed Citadel is at minimum a 400 hundred years in the future, people. The relay system won't get completely fixed for several thousand years. Why? First we have to figure out how the technology works. This is going to require the birth of an Einstein, Hawking, or several of them. We may have them, or they may have gotten mashed into goop. They have to have that "ah ha!" moment. Then it has to become practical. We have to fly by FTL to each of them, assess the damage, fly back and forth via FTL with parts to rebuild, and then remap them. Then move onto the next one.This is going to take a ****load of time. If we had the help of the Geth available it might, and I say might cut the time in half because they can work 24/7. 10,000 year "dark age" for destroy. The sacrifice was already made.
It's not like "oh, no problem, we'll just wave a magic wand and build it in the next 50 years. It's so simple. We'll just make these components and fly them up there, but wait. Where are we going to make the components.... hmmm. We've got to build factories first. Oh. Major inconvenience. How many people we have left on earth? 2 billion? 3 billion?

We have a major humanitarian crisis that has to be dealt with first before all the rebuilding gets to take place.

Major hubs of course get taken care of first (Earth, Palaven, Thessia, Rannoch, Illium, Sur'Kesh, Tuchanka, Arcturus). Probably 100 - 400 yrs for these, and they'll be direct routes. The rest of the galaxy? It will take thousands of years.

No problem for Control or Synthesis because the friendly reapers are helping. It's their tech. A few hundred years for the entire galaxy. You understand now?

All these are solved with Control and Synthesis endings because the reapers help out. So don't give us the horse hockey that this would unbalance the endings. The sacrifice has already been made.

We thought that the reapers could not be trusted, that no one could control them, and that we shouldn't impose a new galactic order on the galaxy, and thus we destroyed the reapers and their controller along with the Geth and EDI and were penalized by being left in a pile of garbage with a 10,000 yr "rebuilding age."

You sacrificed yourselves perhaps to save the Geth and EDI either to control the reapers or synthesize with them, and were rewarded with the help of the reapers in rebuilding the galaxy in short order.

Let us have our reunion. I even say leave the Geth out of the Destroy ending. 

Posters like you two give me hope.

hear hear!

Yes, and the Charon relay looks ruptured to me.  Anyone remember the codex Desperate Measures?  A ruptured relay ruins any terrestrial world in a system.  Good luck with that.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

nobody knows the actual number of people who like or dislike the endings, personally everyone should stop trying to use that phrase

Good, than that means this topic  the op put up is pointless and just a vague number of people whining...Agein.

um, no thats not what it means and don't put words in my mouth, because she's clearly talking about the rest of us who feels the same way as her.

and pls check your spelling

I not saying what you mean. I say what the reality of it is. No one can come here as an indivisual and say the majority wants this. Their is no offiacial majority post- ec. I am say this topic is point less because it is.

Your the only one who really thinks that, while the some of the others just disagree with her OP

So? Would this post change anything?  Is the majority stating the samething as the op?  

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

And Amazon's ratings on the game are negative in that more people gave the game 1 or 2 stars vs. 4 or 5 stars.

[drayfish]

dreman9999 wrote...

Please, the ending o not contridict that. It would only be do it only one ending exsists.
In BW games we are alway given the choice to pick an action besed ong the choices BW given. We never choose what the choice are we had to pick. Saying because they are not the choice you want does not mean you have no choice nor bwis contridicting themselve. Every computer base rpg is like this what we have to choose out of the choices the deginers put into the game. Some games more then others have more choice, but the paly never changes what the choices are. You dicide what you do  but not what the game is about.

People see complant on the end choices as whining because we always had to pick the choice put in the game, not dicide what choices are put in the game.

Who are 'people' in that scenario?  Again, it would be more helpful if everyone just expressed their own responses to the ending, and stopped trying to impose their interpretation of other people's opinion.

And Bioware may have previously given the player choices to genocide or overwrite other species against their will, but it was never the only choices.  You could wipe out the Geth - but you could also not.  You could keep the Krogan sterilised, or not.  Even when a Batarian colony was about to get destroyed you could try to help them.  The only time the game has ever stepped above it's audience and overtly removed control from their hands was in forcing them to comply with one of three war-crimes in the game's conclusion.

And when some players like myself (and I am not saying all players) cried foul at that, suddenly we were hit with accusations of entitlement and selfishness.  The rules were changed in order to force a rote moral compromise. 

Some no doubt find that imposed conclusion arty and deep; not everyone does.  Some are therefore able to continue enjoying Mass Effect in the way they had previously; some cannot.

[Xellith]

Warrior Craess wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

drayfish wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It
more of the case the BW want to tell the story it wants and not do it
based on commity. They added more to the ending as a comprimse. They
don't need to do the cahnges to meet you needs and you and your views
are not the majority.

It's interesting that at one
point - for several years actually - the celebrated catch-cry of Mass
Effect was that 'there is no canon'; 'this is your Shepard, your
story'.  Suddenly now at the end anyone who is dissatisfied with the
conclusion gets painted as a crybaby entitled whiner who can't
appreciate that this was Bioware's story all along. 

For those
who are happy with the conclusion as it stands, I am glad for you (and
envious), but there is no need for anyone to inflict their personal
opinion on anyone else, telling them they have no right to feel the way
they do about their own individual experience of the game.

Please, the ending do not contridict that. It would only be do it only one ending exsists.
In
BW games we are alway given the choice to pick an action besed ong the
choices BW given. We never choose what the choice are we had to pick.
Saying because they are not the choice you want does not mean you have
no choice nor bwis contridicting themselve. Every computer base rpg is
like this what we have to choose out of the choices the deginers put
into the game. Some games more then others have more choice, but the
paly never changes what the choices are. You dicide what you do  but not
what the game is about.

People see complant on the end choices
as whining because we always had to pick the choice put in the game, not
dicide what choices are put in the game.

Dreman9999
you gotta have a head made of stone to be this dense.  If there is no
Canon how can you possibly tell another player how their game play is?
This is specifically what I mean by it's our interpretation. 

You
didn't play my game, your shepard/s didn't make the same choices mine
did, and obviously certainly not for the same reason.  Quit telling
other people why they are wrong in their interpretation of the game. 

I
swear it's like being talked at by Marc "no thats not what we meant by
the endings at all, your just too stupid to see it" Walters.

My shepard kept waking up saying "why the **** am I dreaming about some retarded kid?"

Modifié par Xellith, 30 août 2012 - 11:13 .

[Applepie_Svk]

3DandBeyond wrote...


Yes, and the Charon relay looks ruptured to me.  Anyone remember the codex Desperate Measures?  A ruptured relay ruins any terrestrial world in a system.  Good luck with that.

I love everytime when some pro-ender claims that EC wasn´t retcon of original ending... it´s so pricelessB)

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Your the only one who really thinks that, while the some of the others just disagree with her OP

So? Would this post change anything?  Is the majority stating the samething as the op?  

so just because you don't agree with it, the thread is pointless?

[Dragoonlordz]

XqctaX wrote...

neither "ending-related" DLC's did what was wanted or asked and you know it.
instead they stuck to there "art" so your argument is invalid.

so you acually got more than them If you liked the original endings.
so yest again Your logic is false. and youer own bias is just as blatant obvious
and the drone is fitting. and atleast im not lying or twisting the trouth to my own agenda like you.

There lays one of the major flaws in the argument, what you want is not what everyone else wanted and was one of the main reason why retake was never going to last. Different people wanted different things and that still remains the case from people who want happy ever after life of Shepard and their LI, people who want conventional victory, others who want pew pew with Harbinger and even those who want more minor changes.

EC gave many what they wanted and many which did not get what they want. I did not need EC in the first place because I had my reasons for liking the original of which was like 17+ page thread discussing it with others many months ago now present in my signature as a momento. I got the same content as them and I did not get more than them just because I enjoyed the part you did not.

They did not fix anything I did not like about the game yet, from in game content spanning time gap between standing on bridge of ship in Arrival to starting in a room on Earth, bad quest tracking and rather silly method of even picking up quests. A lot of fetch quests and much more I did not enjoy about the game.

So your stance of I got more than them is wrong, I just do not dislike the same thing as they do. I got the same as them only I did not ask for 2 ending related DLC's while they did keep asking for ending relating DLC's. During that time I wanted non ending related DLC's but accepted that others wanted ending related ones. Now I would like ending related things to be stopped and let me have a non ending related one. Any major issues I have with the game I hope will be fixed in the next title not remaking the current one which is far more reasonable stance I am taking.

At this stage I understand what they tried to do, like some parts and disliked others but I also respect their rights as it's creators to chose what to create and I leave feedback of what would like in the next game just like I did with DA2 of which I was constantly called a hater even though  I demanded or asked for no changes to the current game.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 30 août 2012 - 11:23 .

[MegaSovereign]

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 30 août 2012 - 11:15 .

[3DandBeyond]

aryon69 wrote...

Not going to bother reading this whole thread but I doubt it is BW that has to be convinced. EA is the one in charge and they already got their cash. What the OP is asking for is not even realistic. The cost involved would be just like making a new game (actually more like an expansion). At this point if I was in charge I wouldn't even consider it.

No it wouldn't because I never suggested scrapping the endings they now have nor did I suggest completely rewriting or adding to all of them.  I've outlined simple changes they could make to make it work, that would not involve a lot of work at all, but I didn't put them here.  I've done that elsewhere.  And if you were in charge and if the profit from it outweighed the cost and if it stopped the major bickering over the game and made it sell well again, I think you'd jump on it.