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[RiouHotaru]

3DandBeyond wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...You do realize they've already stated that beyond the EC they don't plan to change the endings. Maybe adjust dialog (like they did with Leviathan), which I'd expect. But you're never going to get a full adjustment. You're going to have to accept the endings as they are.

You do realize they added refuse to the EC which added to the endings-and in the EC announcement Hudson said they didn't fundamentally change the endings?  That's contradictory.  The take away from all this is that until something's done, whatever they say is not written in stone.  And that is the only thing that actually does make sense.  They are a business and cash is king-being able to adapt and change one's mind fits into that.  Adapt or die.  And if they see the potential of gaining back an audience and having the diversity of fans as being profitable (it is), they might just reconsider going down the run and gun CoD route.

Refuse isn't a fundemental change.  It's a glorified game over.  It's there for those people who stated "I want to say 'No', even if I know I'll die."

[Conniving_Eagle]

[a load of stanton]

dreman9999 wrote...

a load of stanton wrote...

if you really care about the community you will listen bioware

this thread wont die

Who are you to speak for the community? How about the ones who don't want what you want?

im only trying to make a point thay bairley listen to us now stop being so......... 
its a post just deal with it 

[jules_vern18]

RiouHotaru wrote...

...You do realize they've already stated that beyond the EC they don't plan to change the endings. Maybe adjust dialog (like they did with Leviathan), which I'd expect. But you're never going to get a full adjustment. You're going to have to accept the endings as they are.

...And they also said that they wouldn't change the endings before the EC, after which they retconned major plot points and provided us with a 4th option. 

I may not have the same views as the OP with regard to everything I'd like to see in future DLC, but I hope this stays on the front page. 

[ATiBotka]

jules_vern18 wrote...

...And they also said that they wouldn't change the endings before the EC, after which they retconned major plot points and provided us with a 4th option. 

I'ts not an option. I'ts suicide.

[JPR1964]

10110001110100 wrote...
The ones who didn't want a coherent ending are well satisfied. 

Well, coherent and Bioware, does not fit in art...

:innocent:

JPR out!

[Conniving_Eagle]

They think they can escape Synthesis. Primitives.

[saracen16]

And by "doing the right thing", you will force your demands on everyone who plays the game, and that makes you no better than the Shepard who imposes his will on the galaxy. However, the latter, Shepard, has no choice in that matter, but you do. Your parents in the military would understand that there is no easy way out. Never. The story's ending choices do not advocate any of the choices as a valid course of action for humanity. They only add to debate within the universe. Science fiction is greater for exploring these issues philosophically, as these are the hard questions that will haunt humankind in the years to come.

[Ithurael]

Wow OP. You really put a lot of love into this.

It would be nice if bioware could re-tool the endings. Remake the priority earth, and make our choices matter but I think if they add or change anything else regarding the endings they will loose face. MaCasey had a clear vision for ME's story arc. It resolved in ME3. That was that.

I send messages to Chris Priestly asking what it would take for a Harbinger fight to be implemented but no response (yet ). Implementing IT would be nice, retooling the endings would be nice. But it would do more harm than good I think. The most we can do is headcanon everything, imagine our war assets in action in the final battle, and then headcanon everything else after the breath or the credits.

ME3 works wonderfully outside of ME1 and 2, but kinda stumbles as a concluding chapter.

But, for what it is worth, I agree with many of your points and I trust in the sincerity of your post. We all want Bioware to succeed and flourish. Sometimes they just want to go a different route I guess.

[TheCrazyHobo]

RiouHotaru wrote...

...You do realize they've already stated that beyond the EC they don't plan to change the endings. Maybe adjust dialog (like they did with Leviathan), which I'd expect. But you're never going to get a full adjustment. You're going to have to accept the endings as they are.

Most people do not want the endings rewritten, they just want content added to them.  Most people do not cosider adding a Levithan controlled Reaper to the endings chaning them, but mearly adding to them.  I fear this is where a big disconect between Bioware and Fans exist. Some of us have over 9,000 EMS yet still get the same ending as one with only 3,000 EMS.  All we want is our work over the series to be reflected in the endings.  

[Cainne Chapel]

Well its just silly to believe you speak for the community, or the majority or whatever, forums are NEVER the majority of gamers.

Out of the 10 people i personally know that PLAYED ME3, guess how many are active on forums?

1. Heck even myself i'm only ever active here and maybe a few MMO forums, but thats it and i play a TON of games.

so to think forumites or internet posters are a majority is just silly.

But besides that, I'm always openf or more content from BW. Problem they face is, if they add ANOTHER ending or change the ending more to suit the whims of those still complaining, where does it then end?

What if people arent happy with the NEW ending? What if people want ANOTHER one? and so on.

Its a slippery slope if there ever was one, sometimes they just HAVE to put their foot down in a way. It sucks I know, but at some point it becomes a waste of resources to keep going back and back and doing over again and again.

So I cans ee why they cant/wont keep changing the ending or adding alternate ones, but once again, if they DID, I'd get it regardless, more options are always nice

[AresKeith]

saracen16 wrote...

And by "doing the right thing", you will force your demands on everyone who plays the game, and that makes you no better than the Shepard who imposes his will on the galaxy. However, the latter, Shepard, has no choice in that matter, but you do. Your parents in the military would understand that there is no easy way out. Never. The story's ending choices do not advocate any of the choices as a valid course of action for humanity. They only add to debate within the universe. Science fiction is greater for exploring these issues philosophically, as these are the hard questions that will haunt humankind in the years to come.

seriously what is your deal. Nobody is forcing anything on you, you can still your Synthesis happy ending which does force people

[robarcool]

The endings are final. Personally, I don't like it, but I have accepted this fact. Move on to a new game, or play multiplayer. You will feel better. I haven't played SP since last 3-4 months lol.

[saracen16]

AresKeith wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

And by "doing the right thing", you will force your demands on everyone who plays the game, and that makes you no better than the Shepard who imposes his will on the galaxy. However, the latter, Shepard, has no choice in that matter, but you do. Your parents in the military would understand that there is no easy way out. Never. The story's ending choices do not advocate any of the choices as a valid course of action for humanity. They only add to debate within the universe. Science fiction is greater for exploring these issues philosophically, as these are the hard questions that will haunt humankind in the years to come.

seriously what is your deal. Nobody is forcing anything on you, you can still your Synthesis happy ending which does force people

This isn't "my" ending. It's one of the endings BioWare gave me and I chose it.

A successful refuse ending would render the entire plot irrelevant.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Well its just silly to believe you speak for the community, or the majority or whatever, forums are NEVER the majority of gamers.

Out of the 10 people i personally know that PLAYED ME3, guess how many are active on forums?

1. Heck even myself i'm only ever active here and maybe a few MMO forums, but thats it and i play a TON of games.

so to think forumites or internet posters are a majority is just silly.

But besides that, I'm always openf or more content from BW. Problem they face is, if they add ANOTHER ending or change the ending more to suit the whims of those still complaining, where does it then end?

What if people arent happy with the NEW ending? What if people want ANOTHER one? and so on.

Its a slippery slope if there ever was one, sometimes they just HAVE to put their foot down in a way. It sucks I know, but at some point it becomes a waste of resources to keep going back and back and doing over again and again.

So I cans ee why they cant/wont keep changing the ending or adding alternate ones, but once again, if they DID, I'd get it regardless, more options are always nice

And who do you think gave Bioware all their feedback? Would you disagree that the rest of ME playerbase would dislike a better ending?

[Xellith]

ATiBotka wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

...And they also said that they wouldn't change the endings before the EC, after which they retconned major plot points and provided us with a 4th option. 

I'ts not an option. I'ts suicide.

And the other options arnt suicide?

[Ieldra]

@3DAndBeyond:
While I feel with you and regret that you cannot take anything satisfying away from the ME series any more, and as a rule I'm always open to new options, I cannot support your plea. Why? Because what you want is an ending with no downside. No, I am not against those as a rule, but in this case, the ending you want would be perceived as canon and immediately invalidate all others in the eyes of a majority. It would unbalance the whole scenario and I know I would dislike that as much as I did the original endings.

What would you want to sacrifice to make this new option balanced with the others?

[ShepnTali]

Nice, constructive post OP.

[Xellith]

Id just like to point out that any conventional victory wouldnt be a cakewalk like some people are suggesting.  I dont think anyone is suggesting a "yup we killed em.  We didnt lose a single ship! huzzah!" scenario.

Modificata da Xellith, 30 agosto 2012 - 05:08 .

[plfranke]

AresKeith wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

And by "doing the right thing", you will force your demands on everyone who plays the game, and that makes you no better than the Shepard who imposes his will on the galaxy. However, the latter, Shepard, has no choice in that matter, but you do. Your parents in the military would understand that there is no easy way out. Never. The story's ending choices do not advocate any of the choices as a valid course of action for humanity. They only add to debate within the universe. Science fiction is greater for exploring these issues philosophically, as these are the hard questions that will haunt humankind in the years to come.

seriously what is your deal. Nobody is forcing anything on you, you can still your Synthesis happy ending which does force people

The only argument most ending lovers have is saying that some people out there somewhere might like the ending. But the people right here right now hate it. When a ton of people on the internet hate something, people you meet in real life hate it, and any random person you show the ending to who has never seen the game before hates it, it probably sucks. You might like your damn synthesis ending, but that still doesn't make it right or fit anywhere in the Mass Effect Universe. We want to see our war assets in action. And if we can't have that then we deserve an answer why, not a "Sorry you didn't enjoy it hope you like the next thing more."

[AresKeith]

saracen16 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

And by "doing the right thing", you will force your demands on everyone who plays the game, and that makes you no better than the Shepard who imposes his will on the galaxy. However, the latter, Shepard, has no choice in that matter, but you do. Your parents in the military would understand that there is no easy way out. Never. The story's ending choices do not advocate any of the choices as a valid course of action for humanity. They only add to debate within the universe. Science fiction is greater for exploring these issues philosophically, as these are the hard questions that will haunt humankind in the years to come.

seriously what is your deal. Nobody is forcing anything on you, you can still your Synthesis happy ending which does force people

This isn't "my" ending. It's one of the endings BioWare gave me and I chose it.

A successful refuse ending would render the entire plot irrelevant.

entire plot about Stoping the Reaper? or the plot device that could been used in many ways?

[plfranke]

Ieldra2 wrote...

@3DAndBeyond:
While I feel with you and regret that you cannot take anything satisfying away from the ME series any more, and as a rule I'm always open to new options, I cannot support your plea. Why? Because what you want is an ending with no downside. No, I am not against those as a rule, but in this case, the ending you want would be perceived as canon and immediately invalidate all others in the eyes of a majority. It would unbalance the whole scenario and I know I would dislike that as much as I did the original endings.

What would you want to sacrifice to make this new option balanced with the others?

The problem is that these sacrifices come out of no where. If you know what the crucible does from the beginning, that's one thing, but it's like someone just made it up at the last minute. Why would the crucible destroy all the geth and edi and any synthetic everyhwere. And if that was the case why would Shepard be breathing somewhere in rubble when the Citadel just got destroyed and he should be dead anyway from the blast?
How does control allow Shepard to just disintegrate and all of a sudden control all the Reapers?
Synthesis is just ridiculous. A man jumping into a beam turns every organic in the galaxy half machine, and every machine half man. There is no explanation it's just there. If it must be like that, destroy should definitively have Shepard live, no breath scene but Shepard living and a reunion with the squad, and the war assets must be shown in action.