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[chadesh]

only reason they would do it is if they could make money off of it, So basically if it costs more to make a better ending it won't happen. It would be nice to have shepard live and reunited with team and LI and all.
Doubt it will happen though.

[dreman9999]

Warrior Craess wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

drayfish wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It more of the case the BW want to tell the story it wants and not do it based on commity. They added more to the ending as a comprimse. They don't need to do the cahnges to meet you needs and you and your views are not the majority.

It's interesting that at one point - for several years actually - the celebrated catch-cry of Mass Effect was that 'there is no canon'; 'this is your Shepard, your story'.  Suddenly now at the end anyone who is dissatisfied with the conclusion gets painted as a crybaby entitled whiner who can't appreciate that this was Bioware's story all along. 

For those who are happy with the conclusion as it stands, I am glad for you (and envious), but there is no need for anyone to inflict their personal opinion on anyone else, telling them they have no right to feel the way they do about their own individual experience of the game.

Please, the ending do not contridict that. It would only be do it only one ending exsists.
In BW games we are alway given the choice to pick an action besed ong the choices BW given. We never choose what the choice are we had to pick. Saying because they are not the choice you want does not mean you have no choice nor bwis contridicting themselve. Every computer base rpg is like this what we have to choose out of the choices the deginers put into the game. Some games more then others have more choice, but the paly never changes what the choices are. You dicide what you do  but not what the game is about.

People see complant on the end choices as whining because we always had to pick the choice put in the game, not dicide what choices are put in the game.

Dreman9999 you gotta have a head made of stone to be this dense.  If there is no Canon how can you possibly tell another player how their game play is? This is specifically what I mean by it's our interpretation. 

You didn't play my game, your shepard/s didn't make the same choices mine did, and obviously certainly not for the same reason.  Quit telling other people why they are wrong in their interpretation of the game. 

I swear it's like being talked at by Marc "no thats not what we meant by the endings at all, your just too stupid to see it" Walters.

Who's taking about cannon? I'm saying we don't get to pick what choice are in the game. I'm not telling you how to play the game. I'm telling you what the goals of the game is and you can get to the goal any way you like with in the limits of the game.
I'm just saying you don't pick what the limits are. No conventional victory and the 3 choices in the end of the game are the limits in the game.

If I want to get he power to turn peopel to chicken in this game, and it does not have it, does that make the game bad?

[liggy002]

OP, I hate to say this, but you cannot reason with the unreasonable. They have constantly ignored our pleas. I'll take my chances with Bethesda and CD Projekt Red. These are far better companies and the funny thing is that Bioware could be amazing like that as well if they just acknowledged their fans. I know that they have the potential to do amazing things yet they wont.

This generic AI vs. organics story has been rehashed over and over again to the point of it being very unappealing. If you want to check out a good game, I recommend you check out Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zero when that comes up. Should be nothing short of amazing.

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

[Gulaman]

Dear Bioware,

Please give me my dream ending. This means you will have to ignore your own writers, and indeed what other ME fans would prefer as their dream ending. Just give me what I want otherwise I will hate the Mass Effect games and Bioware forever (even though up until the last 15 minutes of the final game, I loved every minute of this product you created).

Sincerely,
Entirely selfish, me, me, me, me, me former Bioware fan

[Baa Baa]

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

I think that's changed a bit now though. When it first came out I loved it and a lot of others did, but then after a while I realized it was still kind of crap, just more satisfying and replayable crap, so I felt a little dissapointed after some time.

[dreman9999]

Gulaman wrote...

Dear Bioware,

Please give me my dream ending. This means you will have to ignore your own writers, and indeed what other ME fans would prefer as their dream ending. Just give me what I want otherwise I will hate the Mass Effect games and Bioware forever (even though up until the last 15 minutes of the final game, I loved every minute of this product you created).

Sincerely,
Entirely selfish, me, me, me, me, me former Bioware fan

 10/10

[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

But the majority didn't love it either.  In fact, I've also seen this in talkng with people.  They say the endings are ok, but...they wish the kid wasn't there, they wish this or that was different, they hate the circular logic, they often don't like a lot about the endings, but think they are ok.  That's not a ringing endorsement, especially not for a game (games) that by and large most fans really liked a lot. 

[BaladasDemnevanni]

I might have mentioned this a few pages ago, but establishing a majority on whether people liked the EC enough to be satisfied is never going to happen. It's not even particularly relevant to the point of discussion. If Bioware had a way of determining that ~35% of ME3 consumers would pay for a reunion dlc and assuming the opinion of everyone else was indeterminate, we would likely see ME3 Reunion dlc on the horizon.

It's just that now, this kind of united resistance is done with. Yeah, some people still dislike the endings, but we're now back to more normal "forum-levels" of complaint. Imo, Retake accomplished as much as it was ever going to.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 30 août 2012 - 11:22 .

[Baa Baa]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

This is true too. Even 10 percent is pretty bad, at least in my opinion.

[dreman9999]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

The need of manufacturing is different from the needs of entertainment.

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

3DandBeyond wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

But the majority didn't love it either.  In fact, I've also seen this in talkng with people.  They say the endings are ok, but...they wish the kid wasn't there, they wish this or that was different, they hate the circular logic, they often don't like a lot about the endings, but think they are ok.  That's not a ringing endorsement, especially not for a game (games) that by and large most fans really liked a lot. 

Exactly.  Look at the Amazon ratings for ME2 and compare.

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

The need of manufacturing is different from the needs of entertainment.

The needs of the shareholders of both are the same.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

But the majority didn't love it either.  In fact, I've also seen this in talkng with people.  They say the endings are ok, but...they wish the kid wasn't there, they wish this or that was different, they hate the circular logic, they often don't like a lot about the endings, but think they are ok.  That's not a ringing endorsement, especially not for a game (games) that by and large most fans really liked a lot. 

You not getting the fact that less people hate it then people who are ok with it and like it.

[liggy002]

Gulaman wrote...

Dear Bioware,

Please give me my dream ending. This means you will have to ignore your own writers, and indeed what other ME fans would prefer as their dream ending. Just give me what I want otherwise I will hate the Mass Effect games and Bioware forever (even though up until the last 15 minutes of the final game, I loved every minute of this product you created).

Sincerely,
Entirely selfish, me, me, me, me, me former Bioware fan

Hey even if that is selfish, it still works for me.

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

Gulaman wrote...

Dear Bioware,

Please give me my dream ending. This means you will have to ignore your own writers, and indeed what other ME fans would prefer as their dream ending. Just give me what I want otherwise I will hate the Mass Effect games and Bioware forever (even though up until the last 15 minutes of the final game, I loved every minute of this product you created).

Sincerely,
Entirely selfish, me, me, me, me, me former Bioware fan

 10/10

Seeing as this indicates a complete ignorance of what I posted and what others are saying, I think words are lost on you both.  If you intend to comment in a thread, at least show some decency and actually use the education you've been given and read the OP.  If not, then don't show your utter lack of either by creating erroneous posts that seemingly are addressed to the OP.

dreman9999's endorsement may help you see what you did wrong here, @Gulaman

[MegaSovereign]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

There are more polls. Because of semantics my opponents won't accept the massive Facebook poll. That's fine.

I have not seen one that showed that the overwhelming majority of those who voted hated it.

Even if only 51% of those loved it, then that's the majority. That's part of my original point and that's one that I've been defending from the start. 

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 30 août 2012 - 11:25 .

[Baa Baa]

Gulaman wrote...

Dear Bioware,

Please give me my dream ending. This means you will have to ignore your own writers, and indeed what other ME fans would prefer as their dream ending. Just give me what I want otherwise I will hate the Mass Effect games and Bioware forever (even though up until the last 15 minutes of the final game, I loved every minute of this product you created).

Sincerely,
Entirely selfish, me, me, me, me, me former Bioware fan

The poster was polite, nondemanding, and respectful in how he worded it.
But you probably didn't even ****ing read it.

[CELL55]

As much as I would like them to change the ending, they are not going to. Too much inertia in the wrong direction now, I fear.

[robertthebard]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

Your outlook is skewed, 70% liked it, and that's the number I would look at and focus on.  I would take feedback, and weigh it against what ever my product was, but if I released something that I wanted to release, and it got this kind of feedback, I'd be pleased.  I wouldn't be overly excited, per se, but I would be pleased.  Is the cup half full, or half empty, in this case, only a true pessimist would say "see, you sucked".  You can never please everybody, but if you can score 70%, you did a damn fine job.  It sucks to say this about the endings, since I hate them, but when you talk about capitalism, that's a win.

[dreman9999]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

The need of manufacturing is different from the needs of entertainment.

The needs of the shareholders of both are the same.

But the product is already sold and still selling.

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

The need of manufacturing is different from the needs of entertainment.

The needs of the shareholders of both are the same.

But the product is already sold and still selling.

Whether it is "still selling" remains to be seen.

[dreman9999]

Baa Baa wrote...

Gulaman wrote...

Dear Bioware,

Please give me my dream ending. This means you will have to ignore your own writers, and indeed what other ME fans would prefer as their dream ending. Just give me what I want otherwise I will hate the Mass Effect games and Bioware forever (even though up until the last 15 minutes of the final game, I loved every minute of this product you created).

Sincerely,
Entirely selfish, me, me, me, me, me former Bioware fan

The poster was polite, nondemanding, and respectful in how he worded it.
But you probably didn't even ****ing read it.

It doesn't matter. It still is a shelfish post.

[dreman9999]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

The need of manufacturing is different from the needs of entertainment.

The needs of the shareholders of both are the same.

But the product is already sold and still selling.

Whether it is "still selling" remains to be seen.

Not still selling? The game still is one of the 10 games on xbox live. It's still making money.

[The Spamming Troll]

simpler solution.

force bioware to sell the rights to ME to a developer with the capabilities of making games that arent ****.

id rather have had an obsidian version of ME3.