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[ld1449]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...


I might end up getting ME1 for the PS3, but if they don't come with the DLCs I'll be pissed about it

Bring down the sky was better than Lair of the Shadow broker in my opinion.

Uhhhh...I'm gonna have to go with...Nooooo.

[AresKeith]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...


I might end up getting ME1 for the PS3, but if they don't come with the DLCs I'll be pissed about it

Bring down the sky was better than Lair of the Shadow broker in my opinion.

I dunno it looked good, but LotSB was amazing. And I heard it was a sign that Bioware was gonna temp squadmates like they did with Anderson in ME3 intro

[KevShep]

do the right thing...

ME4 starts with shep waking up with a breath in london rubble.

Modifié par KevShep, 28 septembre 2012 - 06:06 .

[jkflipflopDAO]

Do the right thing and rewrite the end of the trilogy. Scrap everything from after the Cerberus base and redo from scratch.

[SpamBot2000]

About the torso breath scene... the simplest fix for the endings that would work for me personally would do away with that altogether. A cut from "best seats in the house" to the destroy cinematics that are already there, fixed to include EDI & the Geth because no ghost child popped up to hold them hostage as the Crucible simply worked to screw up the Reapers in some manner. And now at least Shep didn't walk into an explosion in desperation to get the space spook to shut up. Works for me. How many weeks of coding is that, BW?

Obviously reworking the endings more would be desirable, but this is something pretty damn minimal, which I would even be willing to pay for. And a "closure" scene could easily be added to that if deemed necessary, replacing the rubble endorsement.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 28 septembre 2012 - 08:33 .

[Ozida]

I wonder how much more DLCs BioWare have in their sleeves? I mean, if they have no desire in redoing the endings (bad choice, BW, baaad choice), do you think they will jump right onto ME4 (which, I think, is rather a bad idea too) once Omega is out? And what would be the point of more MP campaigns (have nothing against MP, just wondering)? I mean, we have already *taken* the Earth back, didn't we?
I am not big on "majority-minority" thing, but they must'very lost at least half of their fan base due to those nonsense endings. Announcing a new *full* game at this moment doesn't look like a right thing, tbh.

[3DandBeyond]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

About the torso breath scene... the simplest fix for the endings that would work for me personally would do away with that altogether. A cut from "best seats in the house" to the destroy cinematics that are already there, fixed to include EDI & the Geth because no ghost child popped up to hold them hostage as the Crucible simply worked to screw up the Reapers in some manner. And now at least Shep didn't walk into an explosion in desperation to get the space spook to shut up. Works for me. How many weeks of coding is that, BW?

Obviously reworking the endings more would be desirable, but this is something pretty damn minimal, which I would even be willing to pay for. And a "closure" scene could easily be added to that if deemed necessary, replacing the rubble endorsement.

It would absolutely work for me.  I don't need casper, the game never needed casper.  I do honestly believe much of this was the Babylon5 chaos and order confrontation without the confrontation.

[3DandBeyond]

Ozida wrote...

I wonder how much more DLCs BioWare have in their sleeves? I mean, if they have no desire in redoing the endings (bad choice, BW, baaad choice), do you think they will jump right onto ME4 (which, I think, is rather a bad idea too) once Omega is out? And what would be the point of more MP campaigns (have nothing against MP, just wondering)? I mean, we have already *taken* the Earth back, didn't we?
I am not big on "majority-minority" thing, but they must'very lost at least half of their fan base due to those nonsense endings. Announcing a new *full* game at this moment doesn't look like a right thing, tbh.

I agree we have no was of knowing where the real majority is.  Most people don't tend to speak up a lot, but the real possibility is there's a sizable amount who either really dislike the endings, don't like them, or just don't feel they were what they were hoping for.  

There's a real question as to why they'd release the trilogy so soon after releasing ME3 and for the same price as one game costs.  It's so close to when most games are released as platinum hits.  But it also begs the question that if they were so close to releasing a PS3 version of ME1, why couldn't they have made ME3 so that it more reflected events in ME1 and 2?  And, for some reason they seem to be releasing the versions with different things included.  It looks like the xbox version gets no DLC (if I understand that right) with it, the PC one gets some, and no one knows yet about the PS3 version.

At this point, unless ME4 is a true sequel with these same characters, and a true continuation of the story at least for a prologue, I don't see how they can make a relevant game.  Prequels end in reapers and lead to this.  Games occurring in a time that's concurrent with this cycle would have to be in another galaxy-that takes some of the fun away without having humans involved and for me without having a human as your avatar.  A sequel would have to evolve from 4 endings-no way to coordinate all of those to come up with one story world and in 2 of the versions reapers would be alive.  If they don't conclude this story (Shepard's story) any other game will be unbelievable.

[Wayning_Star]

Pretty more obvious, advanced stolen tech is bad for the ending. Folks will rationalize their fortuitous never mind "as we NOW don't like reaper tech unless we can win the boss fights"... lol

fortuitous
adjective
1. chance, lucky, random, casual, contingent, accidental, arbitrary, incidental, unforeseen, unplanned a fortuitous quirk of fate
2. lucky, happy, fortunate, serendipitous, providential, fluky (informal) It was a fortuitous discovery.
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[SimonTheFrog]

Good plea. I agree.

[darkway1]

With regards to the trilogy box set of Mass Effect.......basically sales of Mass3 have flat lined and with the new wave of games to be released,Warcraft MOP, Assassins Creed,Resident Evil etc.....Mass3 can only realistically generate income via DLC,so the trilogy mimics the DLC landscape.

So the trilogy is a simple cash in order to generate income via DLC........it suggests sales have not met targets,DLC isn't selling as expected and with new games being released those targets are going to be much harder to meet in the future.

[3DandBeyond]

darkway1 wrote...

With regards to the trilogy box set of Mass Effect.......basically sales of Mass3 have flat lined and with the new wave of games to be released,Warcraft MOP, Assassins Creed,Resident Evil etc.....Mass3 can only realistically generate income via DLC,so the trilogy mimics the DLC landscape.

So the trilogy is a simple cash in order to generate income via DLC........it suggests sales have not met targets,DLC isn't selling as expected and with new games being released those targets are going to be much harder to meet in the future.

This is what I've suspected.  It makes no real sense to do it the way they are unless it's to try and drive interest.  Any new person that gets the trilogy won't be comparing it to the original endings, unless they purposely look for it on youtube.  So, it may also be their way of trying to judge the EC on its own.  The problem with all of this is, the only real advantage of this set is ME1 for the PS3. 

It really makes me wonder why they couldn't just have worked on ME3 during these months (not releasing it in March), to make the game better and make it fit in with ME1 and 2, and then release ME1 for the PS3 along with ME3.  I think that would have been a marketing bonanza.  There would not be a PS3 fan that would have not gotten both.  And ME3 could have been better, so much better.  As it is, with a bleh ending, there are a lot of PS3 fans that won't care to get ME1 now that would have had a reason to before.

And what they then could also have done was at least released the trilogy with all prior DLC for the series (sure charge more for it).  And offer the same DLC in the bundle for all systems.  But why be consistent now?

I think timing is pretty poor on this as well.  With all the other games coming out, including Halo4 and Black Ops2 and those you mentioned, no matter what.  ME is an older game and most who wanted ME1 and 2 for xbox and PC already got them.  The market seems pretty saturated if there are no extra goodies included.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 28 septembre 2012 - 03:25 .

[darkway1]

EA actually gave Mass2 away if you bought DA2 and the PS3 version only really applies to people who are new to the franchise......I guess people who are new to the franchise can't really understand why Mass3 is such an issue for some fans,as you really need to have played all 3 games to put Mass 3 events into context.

Bioware wanted Mass3 to apply to a broader audience and it succeeded.....the result,loyal fans are walking out the door so to speak and are being replaced with the trigger happy,casual player.....such players usually,play,get bored and move onto the next game.

Bioware have killed the franchise for me,I have every game on every format and had full intentions of picking up the xbox version of Mass3 (I already have the game on PS3)......but Mass3 changed my whole out look on the franchise........I'm not begging Bioware to change any thing,either way I'm gonna be happy playing video games.......I would like my money go to a franchise I love,like MassEffect/Bioware.....but I can't because Bioware made a game I don't really like,which sadly undermines the integrity of the franchise as a whole.

The worst part of this drama is that Bioware doesn't even seem to acknowledged there's an issue.....are Bioware that out of touch with their own creation.?

[Kel Riever]

There is no doubt that end capping a 30 hour game experience over a month-ish or less is certainly going to have a lower level of vitriol than when you blow a person's 100 plus hour game experience that took place over several years. Forget mentioning multiple playthroughs.

That's why BioWare should get off its stubborn horse and fix the thing already.

[Iakus]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

About the torso breath scene... the simplest fix for the endings that would work for me personally would do away with that altogether. A cut from "best seats in the house" to the destroy cinematics that are already there, fixed to include EDI & the Geth because no ghost child popped up to hold them hostage as the Crucible simply worked to screw up the Reapers in some manner. And now at least Shep didn't walk into an explosion in desperation to get the space spook to shut up. Works for me. How many weeks of coding is that, BW?

Obviously reworking the endings more would be desirable, but this is something pretty damn minimal, which I would even be willing to pay for. And a "closure" scene could easily be added to that if deemed necessary, replacing the rubble endorsement.

Mine is either:

Replace breath scene with Shepard waking up in a hospital.

Keep breath scene, include Alliance rescue team finding Shep

Remove breath scene, include message to Normandy about Shepard being found (heard over intercomm as they hesitate to put Shepard's name up)

[3DandBeyond]

darkway1 wrote...

EA actually gave Mass2 away if you bought DA2 and the PS3 version only really applies to people who are new to the franchise......I guess people who are new to the franchise can't really understand why Mass3 is such an issue for some fans,as you really need to have played all 3 games to put Mass 3 events into context.

Bioware wanted Mass3 to apply to a broader audience and it succeeded.....the result,loyal fans are walking out the door so to speak and are being replaced with the trigger happy,casual player.....such players usually,play,get bored and move onto the next game.

Bioware have killed the franchise for me,I have every game on every format and had full intentions of picking up the xbox version of Mass3 (I already have the game on PS3)......but Mass3 changed my whole out look on the franchise........I'm not begging Bioware to change any thing,either way I'm gonna be happy playing video games.......I would like my money go to a franchise I love,like MassEffect/Bioware.....but I can't because Bioware made a game I don't really like,which sadly undermines the integrity of the franchise as a whole.

The worst part of this drama is that Bioware doesn't even seem to acknowledged there's an issue.....are Bioware that out of touch with their own creation.?

This is what I can't understand as well.  That they could be so out of touch with all of this-to have created something with such potential and then to squander that.  The fanbase with such diversity for one thing.  Most companies would give anything to have that.  But of course there's the story itself as well as the characters.  How they could create that and then head towards medioctrity is beyond me.

[CaIIisto]

The worst thing that BW could actually do now is just ignore the situation and hope it blows over. It's six months later, and we're still not happy, guess what, it's not going to blow over!

If ongoing complaints aren't addressed then I seriously fear for the future of the franchise.

[3DandBeyond]

Kel Riever wrote...

There is no doubt that end capping a 30 hour game experience over a month-ish or less is certainly going to have a lower level of vitriol than when you blow a person's 100 plus hour game experience that took place over several years. Forget mentioning multiple playthroughs.

That's why BioWare should get off its stubborn horse and fix the thing already.

I agree.  I do think they fail to understand just who they've pissed off.  They've misunderstood the whole situation.  If everything is geared toward new fans, then you have to keep upping the ante to bring in new ones who tend to go away very quickly.  They play a game once and are done.  Since there was no real attempt (it's obvious) to create a very coherent experience for those who played the 100plus hours of all 3 games, and ME3 plays very much the same without having played the first 2, the devs went completely against what the game was supposed to be about.  I mean mechanically it was supposed to be ME3 imports a save from ME2 that was created using a save imported from ME1.  Why even bother with that if it doesn't make a big difference?

This is counter to what "normal" companies do.  A normal company would allow new customers who bought ME3 only to basically suffer the consequences of not buying the earlier games.  And that's my point about them now going ahead and releasing a PS3 version of ME1.  And they also are releasing some kind of decision making thing like Genesis for the WiiU.  What they could have done is make ME3 not so good for those who were new to the series.  But make it more understandable if people got the Genesis like comic for it.  But make it fully understandable or cohesive for those who played ME1 and 2.  They did it ass backwards.  You try to encourage others to buy the other parts of the series in order to understand the last in the series.  You don't cripple the last story in a series in order to make it more appealing as a standalone.

The idea is to reward current customers with a great experience and to encourage new ones to buy the other products so they can have the full experience too.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 28 septembre 2012 - 07:12 .

[Dragoonlordz]

Bester76 wrote...

The worst thing that BW could actually do now is just ignore the situation and hope it blows over. It's six months later, and we're still not happy, guess what, it's not going to blow over!

If ongoing complaints aren't addressed then I seriously fear for the future of the franchise.

The amount of complainers here is vastly smaller than before, it is not the case that everyone left either, a lot of them were satisfied enough with the EC. The people complaining will continue to get smaller and smaller in number but such is life, old fans are replaced with new fans as time goes on and more DLC is created and new titles in the franchise come around. This forum accounts to less than 0.1% of the total Bioware fanbase, it is the most hardcore of fans who come in here day and night.

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

There is no doubt that end capping a 30 hour game experience over a month-ish or less is certainly going to have a lower level of vitriol than when you blow a person's 100 plus hour game experience that took place over several years. Forget mentioning multiple playthroughs.

That's why BioWare should get off its stubborn horse and fix the thing already.

I agree.  I do think they fail to understand just who they've pissed off.  They've misunderstood the whole situation.  If everything is geared toward new fans, then you have to keep upping the ante to bring in new ones who tend to go away very quickly.  They play a game once and are done.  Since there was no real attempt (it's obvious) to create a very coherent experience for those who played the 100plus hours of all 3 games, and ME3 plays very much the same without having played the first 2, the devs went completely against what the game was supposed to be about.  I mean mechanically it was supposed to be ME3 imports a save from ME2 that was created using a save imported from ME1.  Why even bother with that if it doesn't make a big difference?

This is counter to what "normal" companies do.  A normal company would allow new customers who bought ME3 only to basically suffer the consequences of not buying the earlier games.  And that's my point about them now going ahead and releasing a PS3 version of ME1.  And they also are releasing some kind of decision making thing like Genesis for the WiiU.  What they could have done is make ME3 not so good for those who were new to the series.  But make it more understandable if people got the Genesis like comic for it.  But make it fully understandable or cohesive for those who played ME1 and 2.  They did it ass backwards.  You try to encourage others to buy the other parts of the series in order to understand the last in the series.  You don't cripple the last story in a series in order to make it more appealing as a standalone.

The idea is to reward current customers with a great experience and to encourage new ones to buy the other products so they can have the full experience too.

They will make more money putting the franchise on a new system than appealing to you and the ones who are still not over their bitterness about the ending yet. They will make more money releasing the trilogy which gives players ME1 on the PS3 than appealing to you too. Also the ending does not cripple the franchise in the slightest despite your personal opinion being that for you it does. For me and many others it does not.

[AresKeith]

@Dragoonlordz do you really have nothing else to do but antagonize people

[futurepixels]

But the amount of people complaining is going to explode again when they announce the subject matter of the next Mass Effect game.

[CaIIisto]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The amount of complainers here is vastly smaller than before, it is not the case that everyone left either, a lot of them were satisfied enough with the EC. The people complaining will continue to get smaller and smaller in number but such is life, old fans are replaced with new fans as time goes on and more DLC is created and new titles in the franchise come around. This forum accounts to less than 0.1% of the total Bioware fanbase, it is the most hardcore of fans who come in here day and night.

How many people had already traded ME3 in before the EC even dropped as a DLC? I remember in the weeks after release that our local trade in stores stopped taking in copies. 

I don't see the amount of people complaining reducing further without further action. It's dropped previously only because the EC hit, which placated some people. For the rest, they're still here six months later, still complaining. 

I also wouldn't count out non-hardcore fans being turned off by ME3. Pretty sure that all those trading the game in weren't BSN members.

[CaIIisto]

futurepixels wrote...

But the amount of people complaining is going to explode again when they announce the subject matter of the next Mass Effect game.

LOL - feel sorry for the PS3ers, especially those coming to ME anew with ME3. They'll pick the trilogy up, play ME1 and ME2 and come to realize how f*cked up ME3 actually is. 

Plus there's the Wii-U brigade - let's see how many people are thrilled with ME3 when it's released there.