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[Fiannawolf]

At this point Id be hard pressed to muster up enough interest in another ME game. Esp if Shep's story isnt resolved enough for me to move on.

[3DandBeyond]

Bester76 wrote...

The worst thing that BW could actually do now is just ignore the situation and hope it blows over. It's six months later, and we're still not happy, guess what, it's not going to blow over!

If ongoing complaints aren't addressed then I seriously fear for the future of the franchise.

I agree.  I think there's too much of an emphasis on the idea that they sold 3 million copies of it.  Maybe so.  But a sizable number of people returned the game and never bought it after the EC came out.  Another group (even those that said the EC was ok) played it once and were done.  Many sold their game, uninstalled it, or just stopped playing.  I think there's a large percentage.  The problem is in trying to appeal to new customers.  You can only do so much with that since some have no interest in this type of game or the genre. 

What's happening here is kind of like the Krispy Kreme donuts effect.  Krispy Kreme tried to follow Starbuck's example and began opening shops all over the place, but the market was saturated.  They were trying to grow the business too quickly and went into markets everywhere.  Suddenly, you could buy their donuts at grocery stores, 7/11 stores, and their shops, not to mention that stores already sold their own donuts and there are a lot of other donut shops out there.  It glutted the market and many of their stores failed.

Companies are so hung up on always having to increase their value-this is also partly due to the influx of amateurs into the American stock market.  So, EA is gobbling up small devs and Bioware must keep bringing in new customers in order to show real value.  This is the new model of American company (I know the BW devs are Canadian-EA is American) and it's unsustainable.  Companies used to be happy with turning profits and increasing them over time, but no one wants to wait for those increases anymore.  They want to get huge gains year after year. 

I think EA may have started over-extending its reach in trying to buy up all these little guys (less cash on hand, but on paper they have a lot of assets) and they may have over-estimated the growth built into each company.  I think they may have listened to some of the same hype fans did and may not have understood the effects of just churning out any old product.  That's because videogame fans typically never mount any sort of resilient complaint.  Most complaints by gamers never amount to much.  I think this time it was and still is different and I don't think they as yet understand it.

I fear that Origin statistics will be used as the basis for future content.  And it will lead them to their downfall.  If they use Origin stats they might determine that MP was wildly successful and the favorite thing about the game.  This would be a misunderstanding of how and why a lot of people played it.  At first, many played it to try and get the bestest ending after the initial release and when they heard you needed it for Shepard to live.  Then, people played it to pass the time waiting for the EC and then they were told there would be a reunion scene so they thought you had to play more MP to get it, even if you didn't want to.  And then, again people have played it to get some use out of the game, and to pass time in waiting for Leviathan to see if it would make the endings meaningful.  There is a smaller group (I'm not saying a small group) playing MP because they love it.  But, I do worry that the statistics will be misunderstood.

[Dragoonlordz]

AresKeith wrote...

@Dragoonlordz do you really have nothing else to do but antagonize people

I can post my opinion in any public thread on any topic. If did not want people's opinions different to your own then should of made a blog instead of a forum thread. You assume my intention is to antagonize, does not mean that is my intention it's just merely your biased perception of it.

[Dragoonlordz]

Bester76 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The amount of complainers here is vastly smaller than before, it is not the case that everyone left either, a lot of them were satisfied enough with the EC. The people complaining will continue to get smaller and smaller in number but such is life, old fans are replaced with new fans as time goes on and more DLC is created and new titles in the franchise come around. This forum accounts to less than 0.1% of the total Bioware fanbase, it is the most hardcore of fans who come in here day and night.

How many people had already traded ME3 in before the EC even dropped as a DLC? I remember in the weeks after release that our local trade in stores stopped taking in copies. 

I don't see the amount of people complaining reducing further without further action. It's dropped previously only because the EC hit, which placated some people. For the rest, they're still here six months later, still complaining. 

I also wouldn't count out non-hardcore fans being turned off by ME3. Pretty sure that all those trading the game in weren't BSN members.

You have no idea how many people traded in their game, fictional "person x or group y said..." does not mean anything to me because none of those people I know or can prove said or did what you claim.

[CaIIisto]

I really couldn't care less what you believe or what you don't.

[Dragoonlordz]

Bester76 wrote...

I really couldn't care less what you believe or what you don't.

Clearly you did else you would not have responded to my first post or subject matter of my second.

[CaIIisto]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

I really couldn't care less what you believe or what you don't.

Clearly you did else you would not have responded to my first post or subject matter of my second.

Ah, you're confusing interest with mild amusement. 

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@Dragoonlordz do you really have nothing else to do but antagonize people

I can post my opinion in any public thread on any topic. If did not want people's opinions different to your own then should of made a blog instead of a forum thread. You assume my intention is to antagonize, does not mean that is my intention it's just merely your biased perception of it.

yes you can post your opinion on the topic but countless time you've clearly stated that your done with this thread, but lately all you've done was alienate, hassle, and sometimes irritate people on purpose which is antagonizing

especially in that thread last night antagonizing someone because of their signature

[3DandBeyond]

Bester76 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The amount of complainers here is vastly smaller than before, it is not the case that everyone left either, a lot of them were satisfied enough with the EC. The people complaining will continue to get smaller and smaller in number but such is life, old fans are replaced with new fans as time goes on and more DLC is created and new titles in the franchise come around. This forum accounts to less than 0.1% of the total Bioware fanbase, it is the most hardcore of fans who come in here day and night.

How many people had already traded ME3 in before the EC even dropped as a DLC? I remember in the weeks after release that our local trade in stores stopped taking in copies. 

I don't see the amount of people complaining reducing further without further action. It's dropped previously only because the EC hit, which placated some people. For the rest, they're still here six months later, still complaining. 

I also wouldn't count out non-hardcore fans being turned off by ME3. Pretty sure that all those trading the game in weren't BSN members.

The key word there is that the EC at best for most people was placating.  The vast majority of supposedly pro comments for it, were not from people that loved it, they were from people that thought it was ok, good enough, and that then felt they could now move on and forget ME ever existed.  The EC didn't fix anything, it at best made ME3 playable for people so they could be done with it and go and play other games.  To think otherwise, is to wilfully wish that Bioware would run this type of gaming into the ground and to see it be taken up by other companies that do listen and understand just what a fan is. 

A fan isn't someone who makes no sense and just says "leave Bioware alone" and that I'd be scared to meet in person (and there are some people here seriously who are like that-some that think that Shepard in control gives birth to a new catalyst-I mean has a catalyst baby, or that want to build concentration camps for everyone in the galaxy who has not yet been synthesized until they become so when natural synthesis happens).  The scary fans are not totally those who got out of hand in hating the endings.  Some of the scariest ones are those who really have nothing decent to say ever.  And I mean that in all seriousness.  These people concern me.

There are vast numbers of people who disliked the EC and original endings immensely and those that were ok with it, that have left and will never buy anything ME ever again.  And new fans have new titles to buy coming out at the same time as the trilogy or thereabouts.  The ME market is smaller.

[3DandBeyond]

Bester76 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

I really couldn't care less what you believe or what you don't.

Clearly you did else you would not have responded to my first post or subject matter of my second.

Ah, you're confusing interest with mild amusement. 

That's basically all he provides from time to time.  I don't understand his own fascination or obsession with this thread myself, but it would be nice if he actually tried to contribute to the discussion.  I in no way believe that using words will change his cloudy opinion, but he believes that flinging rocks at me and others here will change ours.  It is truly humorous.

[3DandBeyond]

The point is we still have the right to ask Bioware to re-consider things and there's still the possibility that they will.

[Pain87]

3DandBeyond wrote...


The key word there is that the EC at best for most people was placating.  The vast majority of supposedly pro comments for it, were not from people that loved it, they were from people that thought it was ok, good enough, and that then felt they could now move on and forget ME ever existed.  The EC didn't fix anything, it at best made ME3 playable for people so they could be done with it and go and play other games.  To think otherwise, is to wilfully wish that Bioware would run this type of gaming into the ground and to see it be taken up by other companies that do listen and understand just what a fan is. 

A fan isn't someone who makes no sense and just says "leave Bioware alone" and that I'd be scared to meet in person (and there are some people here seriously who are like that-some that think that Shepard in control gives birth to a new catalyst-I mean has a catalyst baby, or that want to build concentration camps for everyone in the galaxy who has not yet been synthesized until they become so when natural synthesis happens).  The scary fans are not totally those who got out of hand in hating the endings.  Some of the scariest ones are those who really have nothing decent to say ever.  And I mean that in all seriousness.  These people concern me.

There are vast numbers of people who disliked the EC and original endings immensely and those that were ok with it, that have left and will never buy anything ME ever again.  And new fans have new titles to buy coming out at the same time as the trilogy or thereabouts.  The ME market is smaller.

Thats it

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

The point is we still have the right to ask Bioware to re-consider things and there's still the possibility that they will.

So if Chris came in here and said once again the current endings are the definitive and final endings, what then?

The first part is right that you have the option of asking for anything you want but I question the second part.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 28 septembre 2012 - 07:56 .

[Xellith]

Fiannawolf wrote...

At this point Id be hard pressed to muster up enough interest in another ME game. Esp if Shep's story isnt resolved enough for me to move on.

I dont think I could let myself become invested in another Bioware game if its going to be a trilogy - I just dont think bioware has the competence required to pull it off.

I would always be expecting them to give the same lack of closure and kick to the testicles that I got at the start of ME3 all the way to the end.  (I consider ME3 an insult to gaming).

[CaIIisto]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

So if Chris came in here and said once again the current endings are the definitive and final endings, what then?

The first part is right that you have the option of asking for anything you want but I question the second part.

Chris/BW have never lied?

[futurepixels]

I just joined recently, but have been reading the forums for a while. I have been with the series since ME1 on the Xbox and have continually proclaimed it as my favorite video game series of all time, and as the greatest video game series of all time.

This means I will never stop buying Mass Effect games, but I will also never stop complaining about all of the things wrong with ME3, including the ending. NEVER.

[Dragoonlordz]

Bester76 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

So if Chris came in here and said once again the current endings are the definitive and final endings, what then?

The first part is right that you have the option of asking for anything you want but I question the second part.

Chris/BW have never lied?

If you take the stance of not believing anything they tell you, then why bother talking to you anymore.

[CaIIisto]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you take the stance of not believing anything they tell you, then why bother talking to you anymore.

Well most of them don't.

However, they can tell us what they like, I'll just wait and see what actually happens. 

[AresKeith]

Bester76 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you take the stance of not believing anything they tell you, then why bother talking to you anymore.

Well most of them don't.

However, they can tell us what they like, I'll just wait and see what actually happens. 

funny how he didn't really answer the question

[Dragoonlordz]

AresKeith wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you take the stance of not believing anything they tell you, then why bother talking to you anymore.

Well most of them don't.

However, they can tell us what they like, I'll just wait and see what actually happens. 

funny how he didn't really answer the question

So sue me, I do not plan to say one way or the other.

Point is if your not willing to accept anything they say then it does not benefit them to say anything to you.

The image in my mind of whether if they are done with ME3, released all the DLC, done with ME4 and released all the DLC...will you still be expecting them at that time to do this DLC for ME3 you want. At some stage you will be forced to accept what they say because otherwise you will just go insane at around 80 years old and still waiting. I am curious as to when that time will be that you accept that what Chris said turning out to be true.

How far down the road do you draw your line in the sand?

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 28 septembre 2012 - 08:25 .

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

If you take the stance of not believing anything they tell you, then why bother talking to you anymore.

Well most of them don't.

However, they can tell us what they like, I'll just wait and see what actually happens. 

funny how he didn't really answer the question

So sue me, I do not plan to say one way or the other.

Point is if your not willing to accept anything they say then it does not benefit them to say anything to you.

The image in my mind of whether if they are done with ME3, released all the DLC, done with ME4 and released all the DLC...will you still be expecting them at that time to do this DLC for ME3 you want. At some stage you will be forced to accept what they say because otherwise you will just go insane at around 80 years old and still waiting. I am curious as to when that time will be that you accept that what Chris said turning out to be true. How far down the road do you draw your line in the sand?

I'll say this one more time from awhile back, you do not speak or work for Bioware so who don't know what they are really planning just like us with their DLCs. Your so arrogant about things that you think everything you say comes from Bioware

Plus, Chris himself said things like the IT is a valid possibility for the end of the game. So whats really the problem with an add-on to the current endings or the PT, when something like the IT does much more?

[Dragoonlordz]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

funny how he didn't really answer the question

-snip-

I am curious as to when that time will be that you accept that what Chris said turning out to be true. How far down the road do you draw your line in the sand?

I'll say this one more time from awhile back, you do not speak or work for Bioware so who don't know what they are really planning just like us with their DLCs. Your so arrogant about things that you think everything you say comes from Bioware

Plus, Chris himself said things like the IT is a valid possibility for the end of the game. So whats really the problem with an add-on to the current endings or the PT, when something like the IT does much more?

Now who is avoiding the question?

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 28 septembre 2012 - 08:30 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Now I want you guys to put on your tinfoil hats. Got them secured? Good. We're taking a trip down tinfoil hat alley. I'm certifiable today, most days actually, but today more than most. See, we've been looking at Final Hours again, and I'm wondering if this whole ending has been a misdirection. Something is really missing. The ending feels really incomplete. Conspiracy time.

If you look at Final Hours, you'll see Synthesis specifically as "Brave New World" and that's not a happy place if you read the book. You'll also notice in the EC that the people aren't cheering like they are in Destroy or Control. Control is a become a reaper to take control of them. We were supposed to feel empty. First Matrix ending. Shepard Alive is specifically underlined. If you reverse the arrows in the diagram everything makes a lot more sense. It's a misdirect.

Every single DLC we will see for ME3 will scare us into thinking Synthesis or Control are the best choices, and that Destroy is by far the worst when it is the best.

What I think is planned and why they are not changing things is that while we won't be playing Shepard in ME4, we will be rescuing Shepard in ME4. There is no legend save for Control or Synthesis. Shepard died in those endings. Shepard could die in Destroy. That breath could be the final one (figuratively) if our ME4 mission fails. Here's what I think our mission is.

Shepard in Destroy ending has her mind locked inside of the AI Construct and is in a coma battling for her sanity. We have to go into the AI and find Shepard and get her out, then destroy the AI. This is not unprecedented in the series. We did go into the Geth Consensus. This will be more detailed. Hudson obviously is a Wachowskis fan. So I think this will be our first mission. I think we'll be taking Spc. Traynor with us. We need to get Shepard out because of the Leviathans.

This is why I think they're not changing the endings. You can take off your tinfoil hats now.

[CaIIisto]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The image in my mind of whether if they are done with ME3, released all the DLC, done with ME4 and released all the DLC...will you still be expecting them at that time to do this DLC for ME3 you want. At some stage you will be forced to accept what they say because otherwise you will just go insane at around 80 years old and still waiting. I am curious as to when that time will be that you accept that what Chris said turning out to be true. How far down the road do you draw your line in the sand?

I would imagine that a lot will hold out for ME4. 

It's possible that if they were doing anything then it would be the final piece of DLC. Alternatively, no one knows what the real details are going to be for ME4. 

Personally, I'd wait until ME4 - if the ME4 details come out and it's a prequal, or a side-story or anything like that, and it's clear that it's not going to address anything that happened at the end of ME3, then that's the time I'll pick to bid farewell.

[Dragoonlordz]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Now I want you guys to put on your tinfoil hats. Got them secured? Good. We're taking a trip down tinfoil hat alley. I'm certifiable today, most days actually, but today more than most. See, we've been looking at Final Hours again, and I'm wondering if this whole ending has been a misdirection. Something is really missing. The ending feels really incomplete. Conspiracy time.

If you look at Final Hours, you'll see Synthesis specifically as "Brave New World" and that's not a happy place if you read the book. You'll also notice in the EC that the people aren't cheering like they are in Destroy or Control. Control is a become a reaper to take control of them. We were supposed to feel empty. First Matrix ending. Shepard Alive is specifically underlined. If you reverse the arrows in the diagram everything makes a lot more sense. It's a misdirect.

Every single DLC we will see for ME3 will scare us into thinking Synthesis or Control are the best choices, and that Destroy is by far the worst when it is the best.

What I think is planned and why they are not changing things is that while we won't be playing Shepard in ME4, we will be rescuing Shepard in ME4. There is no legend save for Control or Synthesis. Shepard died in those endings. Shepard could die in Destroy. That breath could be the final one (figuratively) if our ME4 mission fails. Here's what I think our mission is.

Shepard in Destroy ending has her mind locked inside of the AI Construct and is in a coma battling for her sanity. We have to go into the AI and find Shepard and get her out, then destroy the AI. This is not unprecedented in the series. We did go into the Geth Consensus. This will be more detailed. Hudson obviously is a Wachowskis fan. So I think this will be our first mission. I think we'll be taking Spc. Traynor with us. We need to get Shepard out because of the Leviathans.

This is why I think they're not changing the endings. You can take off your tinfoil hats now.

Personally I am hoping for new protaganist in ME4 with no companions or characters from ME3 present. A fresh start a new characters story not Shepards anymore. I consider Shepards story over or will be once final DLC is done with for ME3 and we had an entire 3 games with him. Time for someone new.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 28 septembre 2012 - 08:33 .