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[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

You not getting the fact that less people hate it then people who are ok with it and like it.

Ok, actually quit telling me what I do or do not understand.  It's getting really old, dreman.  I understood that.

When someone says something is ok, that means they don't hate it.  A lot of people that didn't like the endings wouldn't say they hate them.  But a lot of them aren't interested in buying anymore BW products ever again either.  People that say they hate it really hate the whole ending.  People that are ok with it are not saying it's good or great or anything like that.  In fact, a lot of people that have said it's ok, said a lot of things after that.  You don't get that.

People said, "it's ok, not the ending I wanted" or "it's ok now, but I still don't like it much", and so on.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Gulaman wrote...

Dear Bioware,

Please give me my dream ending. This means you will have to ignore your own writers, and indeed what other ME fans would prefer as their dream ending. Just give me what I want otherwise I will hate the Mass Effect games and Bioware forever (even though up until the last 15 minutes of the final game, I loved every minute of this product you created).

Sincerely,
Entirely selfish, me, me, me, me, me former Bioware fan

The poster was polite, nondemanding, and respectful in how he worded it.
But you probably didn't even ****ing read it.

It doesn't matter. It still is a shelfish post.

Dreman, really you have no right to call selfish when you hijack many people's threads

[Dragoonlordz]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

Whether it is "still selling" remains to be seen.

Of course it is still selling, apply some common sense.

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

The need of manufacturing is different from the needs of entertainment.

The needs of the shareholders of both are the same.

But the product is already sold and still selling.

Whether it is "still selling" remains to be seen.

Not still selling? The game still is one of the 10 games on xbox live. It's still making money.

Not so sure about how well this game is doing now vs. projections.  We'll see soon enough what impact this ending debacle has had on the overall economics of the ME franchise.

[plfranke]

robertthebard wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

Your outlook is skewed, 70% liked it, and that's the number I would look at and focus on.  I would take feedback, and weigh it against what ever my product was, but if I released something that I wanted to release, and it got this kind of feedback, I'd be pleased.  I wouldn't be overly excited, per se, but I would be pleased.  Is the cup half full, or half empty, in this case, only a true pessimist would say "see, you sucked".  You can never please everybody, but if you can score 70%, you did a damn fine job.  It sucks to say this about the endings, since I hate them, but when you talk about capitalism, that's a win.

no 70% did not like it. 36% loved it and 34% didn't care one way or the other. And no 30% hating it is not a damn fine job. It's far from it.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...


Exactly.  Look at the Amazon ratings for ME2 and compare.

Wait, you do realize that Mass Effect 3 underwent review bombing in the immediate aftermath of its release, right? And not like the normal number you'd expect with any new product's release, there were threads of people bragging about it.

That itself can't be used to reflect how people feel about the product in the post-EC world.

[MegaSovereign]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You not getting the fact that less people hate it then people who are ok with it and like it.

Ok, actually quit telling me what I do or do not understand.  It's getting really old, dreman.  I understood that.

When someone says something is ok, that means they don't hate it.  A lot of people that didn't like the endings wouldn't say they hate them.  But a lot of them aren't interested in buying anymore BW products ever again either.  People that say they hate it really hate the whole ending.  People that are ok with it are not saying it's good or great or anything like that.  In fact, a lot of people that have said it's ok, said a lot of things after that.  You don't get that.

People said, "it's ok, not the ending I wanted" or "it's ok now, but I still don't like it much", and so on.

This is a fair statement.

But so is saying "I don't like the endings but I want Bioware to move on with new content."

Or "I don't like the endings but I'm sure as hell not paying 10 bucks for a better one"

[robertthebard]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

simpler solution.

force bioware to sell the rights to ME to a developer with the capabilities of making games that arent ****.

id rather have had an obsidian version of ME3.

Not if they're still working with Atari.  I wouldn't know, after the NWN 2 fiasco, I quit paying attention to them.  Note that that was Atari's doing.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Gulaman wrote...

Dear Bioware,

Please give me my dream ending. This means you will have to ignore your own writers, and indeed what other ME fans would prefer as their dream ending. Just give me what I want otherwise I will hate the Mass Effect games and Bioware forever (even though up until the last 15 minutes of the final game, I loved every minute of this product you created).

Sincerely,
Entirely selfish, me, me, me, me, me former Bioware fan

 10/10

Seeing as this indicates a complete ignorance of what I posted and what others are saying, I think words are lost on you both.  If you intend to comment in a thread, at least show some decency and actually use the education you've been given and read the OP.  If not, then don't show your utter lack of either by creating erroneous posts that seemingly are addressed to the OP.

dreman9999's endorsement may help you see what you did wrong here, @Gulaman

Please 3D, your the one who stated this post on the concept that you opinion was majorilty shared. You need to understand that there is a possiblity it's not. The very fact you made this topic shows your arragance. It not going to sawy BW.

[CitizenThom]

RiouHotaru wrote...

...You do realize they've already stated that beyond the EC they don't plan to change the endings. Maybe adjust dialog (like they did with Leviathan), which I'd expect. But you're never going to get a full adjustment. You're going to have to accept the endings as they are.

To be fair, they once said they weren't planning on changing the original ending. Then they decided that they owed fans at least the Extended Ending.

Modifié par CitizenThom, 30 août 2012 - 11:33 .

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...


Exactly.  Look at the Amazon ratings for ME2 and compare.

Wait, you do realize that Mass Effect 3 underwent review bombing in the immediate aftermath of its release, right? And not like the normal number you'd expect with any new product's release, there were threads of people bragging about it.

That itself can't be used to reflect how people feel about the product in the post-EC world.

Just another data point in the universe.

[Hudathan]

chadesh wrote...

only reason they would do it is if they could make money off of it, So basically if it costs more to make a better ending it won't happen. It would be nice to have shepard live and reunited with team and LI and all.
Doubt it will happen though.

If you think it has to do with money then wouldn't it be a better business practice for them to continually making infinite versions of the ending as long as people will buy them? If the majority of the fanbase was indeed asking for alternate endings and would be willing to pay for them, how does it benefit Bioware and EA to not make them? Why would they stick to their guns due to monetary reasons if catering to fans would make them more money?

[drayfish]

dreman9999 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

The poster was polite, nondemanding, and respectful in how he worded it.
But you probably didn't even ****ing read it.

It doesn't matter. It still is a shelfish post.

Are you being serious?

(Not about the 'shellfish' thing - I presume that was a miss-type)

Are you genuinely discounting another human being's opinion because it doesn't align with yours?  I don't even know where to begin responding to that.  Surely that's not your level of discourse anywhere else in life?

[MegaSovereign]

plfranke wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

Your outlook is skewed, 70% liked it, and that's the number I would look at and focus on.  I would take feedback, and weigh it against what ever my product was, but if I released something that I wanted to release, and it got this kind of feedback, I'd be pleased.  I wouldn't be overly excited, per se, but I would be pleased.  Is the cup half full, or half empty, in this case, only a true pessimist would say "see, you sucked".  You can never please everybody, but if you can score 70%, you did a damn fine job.  It sucks to say this about the endings, since I hate them, but when you talk about capitalism, that's a win.

no 70% did not like it. 36% loved it and 34% didn't care one way or the other. And no 30% hating it is not a damn fine job. It's far from it.

That wasn't even the argument. The OP is saying that they should delay non-ending DLC content in order to introduce unplanned ending DLC content that would pacify "the majority." Even if the poll results were only slightly in favor of the EC then that would show that this is not the case.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 30 août 2012 - 11:34 .

[dreman9999]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

The need of manufacturing is different from the needs of entertainment.

The needs of the shareholders of both are the same.

But the product is already sold and still selling.

Whether it is "still selling" remains to be seen.

Not still selling? The game still is one of the 10 games on xbox live. It's still making money.

Not so sure about how well this game is doing now vs. projections.  We'll see soon enough what impact this ending debacle has had on the overall economics of the ME franchise.

If it was not doing well it would not be on the top ten of xbox live. Don't hold your breath.

Modifié par dreman9999, 30 août 2012 - 11:38 .

[Xellith]

Gulaman wrote...

Dear Bioware,

Please give me my dream ending. This means you will have to ignore your own writers, and indeed what other ME fans would prefer as their dream ending. Just give me what I want otherwise I will hate the Mass Effect games and Bioware forever (even though up until the last 15 minutes of the final game, I loved every minute of this product you created).

Sincerely,
Entirely selfish, me, me, me, me, me former Bioware fan

I actually hated ME3 for the most part.  Too many contrived moments.  I thought they were going somewhere with the dream sequences for example.. yea... as soon as I saw the catalyst I said "what the **** is this?"  When the credits rolled I more or less said "is that is?  that cant be it.. wait till after the credits..." then the stargazer scene played and I was back on the Normandy. 




I was waiting the entire time for a suicide mission 2.0 where I would see assets in action.

[robertthebard]

plfranke wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

Your outlook is skewed, 70% liked it, and that's the number I would look at and focus on.  I would take feedback, and weigh it against what ever my product was, but if I released something that I wanted to release, and it got this kind of feedback, I'd be pleased.  I wouldn't be overly excited, per se, but I would be pleased.  Is the cup half full, or half empty, in this case, only a true pessimist would say "see, you sucked".  You can never please everybody, but if you can score 70%, you did a damn fine job.  It sucks to say this about the endings, since I hate them, but when you talk about capitalism, that's a win.

no 70% did not like it. 36% loved it and 34% didn't care one way or the other. And no 30% hating it is not a damn fine job. It's far from it.

If that's what you want to believe, I can't stop you, but that 70% may well buy the next thing I release since they didn't hate it.  Captialism.  Who knows, based on feedback, and willingness to adapt, I may pick up some of the 30%.  However, this does not alter the skewed outlook of the question I answered.  I wouldn't use the 30% on quarterly sales reports, I'd indicate the other numbers, even broken down, it would make my shareholders, if any, feel better about what I was doing.  That's life, and that's business.

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

I doubt BioWare would delay DLC in development. Any ending change might cause players currently dissatisfied to come back and pick up previous DLC they passed on. But I don't see BioWare delaying DLC already planned for this.

[dreman9999]

Xellith wrote...

Gulaman wrote...

Dear Bioware,

Please give me my dream ending. This means you will have to ignore your own writers, and indeed what other ME fans would prefer as their dream ending. Just give me what I want otherwise I will hate the Mass Effect games and Bioware forever (even though up until the last 15 minutes of the final game, I loved every minute of this product you created).

Sincerely,
Entirely selfish, me, me, me, me, me former Bioware fan

I was waiting the entire time for a suicide mission 2.0 where I would see assets in action.

I agree with this . Priority earth needs to be redone.

[CitizenThom]

I liked the game most of the way through (except I only had one biotic squad member, wtf? at least half the squadmembers in ME2 had biotics), but I was disappointed with most of what happened post-Harbinger beam.

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

The need of manufacturing is different from the needs of entertainment.

The needs of the shareholders of both are the same.

But the product is already sold and still selling.

Whether it is "still selling" remains to be seen.

Not still selling? The game still is one of the 10 games on xbox live. It's still making money.

Not so sure about how well this game is doing now vs. projections.  We'll see soon enough what impact this ending debacle has had on the overall economics of the ME franchise.

If it was not doing well it would not beon the top ten of xbox live. Don't hold your breath.

I'm in a pile of rubble.  I have to hold my breath. 

Regardless, the future will resolve this discussion on its own schedule.

[plfranke]

MegaSovereign wrote...

plfranke wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

http://social.biowar...13/polls/35774/

BSN poll about the EC. Simple "yes, maybe, no." I'm pretty sure the poll results will become skewed since I posted it here, but:

As of now, 673 votes.

36% loved it
34% thought it was okay
30% hated it.

That does not sound like the overwhelming majority hated it.

Let's assume for the moment that your BSN poll represented absolute truth and either by luck or science was a perfect representation of all purchasers of the game everywhere.

If you were the product manufacturer, would you like 30% of your customers to have hated your product?

Your outlook is skewed, 70% liked it, and that's the number I would look at and focus on.  I would take feedback, and weigh it against what ever my product was, but if I released something that I wanted to release, and it got this kind of feedback, I'd be pleased.  I wouldn't be overly excited, per se, but I would be pleased.  Is the cup half full, or half empty, in this case, only a true pessimist would say "see, you sucked".  You can never please everybody, but if you can score 70%, you did a damn fine job.  It sucks to say this about the endings, since I hate them, but when you talk about capitalism, that's a win.

no 70% did not like it. 36% loved it and 34% didn't care one way or the other. And no 30% hating it is not a damn fine job. It's far from it.

That wasn't even the argument. The OP is saying that they should delay non-ending DLC content in order to introduce unplanned ending DLC content that would pacify "the majority." Even if the poll results were only slightly in favor of the EC then that would show that this is not the case.

I know, but he was making it seem as if 70% liked the ending and Bioware did a fantastic job because of that. Whether an ending dlc would sell I can't say based on that data. I can say I would pay a full game's worth for an ending that is on the level of mass effect 2's suicide mission. I can't say that the majority hate the ending, but too many people do.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

Gulaman wrote...

Dear Bioware,

Please give me my dream ending. This means you will have to ignore your own writers, and indeed what other ME fans would prefer as their dream ending. Just give me what I want otherwise I will hate the Mass Effect games and Bioware forever (even though up until the last 15 minutes of the final game, I loved every minute of this product you created).

Sincerely,
Entirely selfish, me, me, me, me, me former Bioware fan

The poster was polite, nondemanding, and respectful in how he worded it.
But you probably didn't even ****ing read it.

It doesn't matter. It still is a shelfish post.

Dreman, really you have no right to call selfish when you hijack many people's threads

Hijack? I never change what a persons topic is about. I state a counter opinion. That's not hijacking. That staying on topic.

[Dr. Megaverse]

Hopefully the conversation hasn't de-railed too far from the OP.

Couldn't agree more 3D and I'm glad I'm on your friends list!

[dreman9999]

CitizenThom wrote...

(except I only had one biotic squad member, wtf? at least half the squadmembers in ME2 had biotics.

Spend $10 buck or don't kill Kaiden.