Dragoonlordz wrote...
Resorting to insults I see. You do realise you do not unlock achievements, recieve a cookie or gain a gold star for each insult you post? I explained possible logic behind such decision. No point throwing a tantrum at me because of it. As it stands right now he or she is alive if want them to be.
Bester76 wrote...
Dragoonlordz wrote...
Resorting to insults I see. You do realise you do not unlock achievements, recieve a cookie or gain a gold star for each insult you post? I explained possible logic behind such decision. No point throwing a tantrum at me because of it. As it stands right now he or she is alive if want them to be.
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Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 septembre 2012 - 01:09 .
3DandBeyond wrote...
If I created ME3, I would know going into it that the endings of it had to in some real tangible way be the resulting consequences of the player's actions and choices, much as in ME2's ending. I would know that the endings should be where all action is the most intense because it is all out war (something BW's own marketing guy said would be the case). I would know that fans expected that Shepard dying would happen and be the easiest and most often consequence of everything done before and during the action within the endings. I would also know that an all out horrific loss was to be expected as easy to get as well. I would then know that what also would be expected would be a way to an all out victory with those still left having a chance to come out alive. I would also know that everything in between would be awesome. Shepard having to sacrifice for something good, really good to happen. Or some others, even a love interest dying.
I would know that people want different things and I would work hard to provide a variety that would appeal to the broadest range of tastes, simply because I would not want to leave anyone out and would want to avoid pissing off big groups of people. I would understand my fans. I would understand that not everyone just loves dead heroes and that some people do like more uplifting hero survives endings while others like hero sacrifices all endings.
I would appreciate all of these things and work toward that end.
Dragoonlordz wrote...
Sorry but being called a ****er is insulting to me no matter how many smiley faces add on to the end. It is no different to those who think saying "no offense but.." prior to insulting someone, somehow being a way of stopping it being insulting. As for Ares, the word troll is a negative way of dismissing another persons view or stance by way of ad hominem.
darkway1 wrote...
If Bioware stated that Shepard survived,it would mean a lot to many fans (I believe),regardless of what Bioware does or does not do with this revelation in terms of DLC,book,comic,mass4 etc.....it's better knowing that Shepard's story can/could go forward......rather than what's currently presented.
Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 septembre 2012 - 01:19 .
Chris Priestly wrote...
futurepixels wrote...
Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Why leave Shepard's story so open-ended and ambigious if you don't have any plans to follow up on it?
This is a VERY good question, and Bioware should answer it, Chris.
I do not feel it is open ended. In most endings Shepard dies. Hard to be more definitive than death. I think people who cling to hope that there will be more see "open ended ambiguity" where it doesn't exist.
Dragoonlordz wrote...
darkway1 wrote...
If Bioware stated that Shepard survived,it would mean a lot to many fans (I believe),regardless of what Bioware does or does not do with this revelation in terms of DLC,book,comic,mass4 etc.....it's better knowing that Shepard's story can/could go forward......rather than what's currently presented.
Thats the thing you see, I think personally Bioware created the endings with all leading to death except the fan service compromise, one with breath scene left open to interpretation because they do not want people thinking he or she will be in the next game. They (as far as I am concerned) wanted to make sure that he or she is not going to be a possible protaganist for a new game hence the end of his story comments spoken about so often in pre-release tweets and press releases. Thats the impression I got.
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darkway1 wrote...
Dragoonlordz wrote...
darkway1 wrote...
If Bioware stated that Shepard survived,it would mean a lot to many fans (I believe),regardless of what Bioware does or does not do with this revelation in terms of DLC,book,comic,mass4 etc.....it's better knowing that Shepard's story can/could go forward......rather than what's currently presented.
Thats the thing you see, I think personally Bioware created the endings with all leading to death except the fan service compromise, one with breath scene left open to interpretation because they do not want people thinking he or she will be in the next game. They (as far as I am concerned) wanted to make sure that he or she is not going to be a possible protaganist for a new game hence the end of his story comments spoken about so often in pre-release tweets and press releases. Thats the impression I got.
Having Shepard breath does not conclude Shepard's story..........seeing him flat out dead in all ending's would but that's not the case if you see Shepard breath.......Bioware had the chance to make this issue clear with the EC.....they did not?
Dragoonlordz wrote...
N7 Lisbeth wrote...
I prefer not feeding the troll. He has no basis, nothing to support his idealogy other than "it would ****** me off," and none of the proposed additions we've bantered about for who knows how long affects his ending anyway. Nothing changes for him. Closure is for the rest of us, so, you know, we can be happy too and enjoy the game and buy DLCs and feel good about doing so again.Bester76 wrote...
Greedy f*cker, you've already got three endings where he/she's dead. We only want one where he/she's alive! [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie]
If this is the end of Shepard's story, and there's nothing to pull through into the next game then what difference does it make? If people want to kill Shepard, you've got three endings. If you want Shepard to live, you've got an ending. The notion that people will blindly go down the 'save Shepard' route is b*llocks, as most of us will end up playing all 4 endings anyway.
Resorting to insults I see. You do realise you do not unlock achievements, recieve a cookie or gain a gold star for each insult you post? I explained possible logic behind such decision. No point throwing a tantrum at me because of it. As it stands right now he or she is alive if want them to be.
Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 29 septembre 2012 - 01:34 .
DirtyMouthSally wrote...
The breath scene was just a gimmick to garner more multiplayers. Then they can hopefully milk them with micro transactions.
Modifié par Pain87, 29 septembre 2012 - 01:45 .
Dragoonlordz wrote...
darkway1 wrote...
Dragoonlordz wrote...
darkway1 wrote...
If Bioware stated that Shepard survived,it would mean a lot to many fans (I believe),regardless of what Bioware does or does not do with this revelation in terms of DLC,book,comic,mass4 etc.....it's better knowing that Shepard's story can/could go forward......rather than what's currently presented.
Thats the thing you see, I think personally Bioware created the endings with all leading to death except the fan service compromise, one with breath scene left open to interpretation because they do not want people thinking he or she will be in the next game. They (as far as I am concerned) wanted to make sure that he or she is not going to be a possible protaganist for a new game hence the end of his story comments spoken about so often in pre-release tweets and press releases. Thats the impression I got.
Having Shepard breath does not conclude Shepard's story..........seeing him flat out dead in all ending's would but that's not the case if you see Shepard breath.......Bioware had the chance to make this issue clear with the EC.....they did not?
Thats where the fan service came in. They wanted to rule him or her out as possible protaganist in ME4, many fans wanted to at least have hope is still alive. A compromise (I guess) was if show him as possibly alive as opposed to shown actually alive and walking around chatting and with LI. This allows them to say the canon result is died in ME3 but if do not want him dead there is the non-canon possibility survived since they did not show him dead. Like I said this is a guess but thats the impression I got.
Chris Priestly wrote...
futurepixels wrote...
How can you say that leaving the fate of your hero "up to the individual" is not open-ended and ambigious?
If he lives, he is alive and if he dies he is not. There are 2 interpretations of that breath. Either it is Shepard's first breath after recovering, or it is Shepard's last breath before dying.
SolidisusSnake1 wrote...
Chris Priestly wrote...
futurepixels wrote...
How can you say that leaving the fate of your hero "up to the individual" is not open-ended and ambigious?
If he lives, he is alive and if he dies he is not. There are 2 interpretations of that breath. Either it is Shepard's first breath after recovering, or it is Shepard's last breath before dying.
So the epic conclusion to Cmdr. Shepards story that is supposed to give us closure and it's left ambiguous as to whether or not he survived...
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Bester76 wrote...
Good point.
The next book I read, I'll be sure to rip out the last couple of pages so that I can imagine it for myself and make the read a bit more personal.
Modifié par Davik Kang, 29 septembre 2012 - 02:39 .
Xellith wrote...
Can an "open ended" trilogy RPG game ever give closure?
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