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[Dragoonlordz]

HinduCowGirl wrote...

Yeah, and it pisses me off when Chris has the nerve to say that the breath scene could mean either Shepards last breath or his first breath after surviving. That is just so... so... so... ARGH!

Yeah so you say he did DIE, it was your intention all along, but you had a breath cut to credits for LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE. Speculate THIS: Look what happened to Bioware in the aftermath, with the docs leaving and everything..

What?

Ray and Greg did not say why they left had anything to do with ME3.

That is just tin foil hat territory until they say otherwise.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:14 .

[Jadebaby]

Davik Kang wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

this last page is a testament to how fans still love Mass Effect and care very deeply about how depressing the ending was. I truly hope 3D and everyone in this thread gets the outcome they desire.. Even if we have to resort to modding it in ourselves lol

Is that possible? Or legal? lol

Ah you mean all those people who love Mass Effect because of how well written it was?  And who now have come to vilify Bioware by deciding that suddenly they went from being brilliant writers to idiots?

You guys want a happy ending, that's one thing.  You guys want 300 different endings so you can find the one you like... good luck.

Way to make assumptions buddy.

@ DragoonLordz, their timing was convenient, however.

[V-rcingetorix]

Hey 3DandBeyond,

Fully agreed here. I'm up to my eyeballs in homework, but I still play the ME3 multi, and occasionally the sp...when I'm feeling optimistic.

Face it, the ME series is a cash cow. Other profitable series have continued, why not this one? We're on what, Left4dead 5 now, and CoD5, and Civilization 5, the Sims2 (+packs)...I can't believe BioWare (and their money manager EA) will just drop a successful game series.

DA:O had a "reunion" of sorts, ME2 had options for a reunion (best way, imho), ME1 had a few scenes for reunion, and DA:2, although kinda bad, had a quick description.

Bottom line: good ends sell, and BioWare wants to make money. I think many of their workers even like to be (to borrow the phrase) "a businessman and a storyteller."

Talley ho.

[Chardonney]

HinduCowGirl wrote...

Yeah, and it pisses me off when Chris has the nerve to say that the breath scene could mean either Shepards last breath or his first breath after surviving. That is just so... so... so... ARGH!

Yeah so you say he did DIE, it was your intention all along, but you had a breath cut to credits for LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE. Speculate THIS: Look what happened to Bioware in the aftermath, with the docs leaving and everything..

True. It really wouldn't be too hard to do some fixing, even at this point. At least if I were a game maker, I definitely wouldn't want to go down in history as the game developer who let their fans down.


Just look at one of my most favorite book series, "The Lost Fleet" by Jack Campbell (reminds me of the Quarian flotilla, actually). Here we have this big time war hero from the past, brought back to live from an suspended animation escape pod and who ends up leading the whole fleet against the enemy. He succeeds, falls in love while getting there and - this is my main point - has a happy ending with his LI. Now why couldn't BioWare do the same???

[Dragoonlordz]

Chardonney wrote...

HinduCowGirl wrote...

Yeah, and it pisses me off when Chris has the nerve to say that the breath scene could mean either Shepards last breath or his first breath after surviving. That is just so... so... so... ARGH!

Yeah so you say he did DIE, it was your intention all along, but you had a breath cut to credits for LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE. Speculate THIS: Look what happened to Bioware in the aftermath, with the docs leaving and everything..

True. It really wouldn't be too hard to do some fixing, even at this point. At least if I were a game maker, I definitely wouldn't want to go down in history as the game developer who let their fans down.

Just look at one of my most favorite book series, "The Lost Fleet" by Jack Campbell (reminds me of the Quarian flotilla, actually). Here we have this big time war hero from the past, brought back to live from an suspended animation escape pod and who ends up leading the whole fleet against the enemy. He succeeds, falls in love while getting there and - this is my main point - has a happy ending with his LI. Now why couldn't BioWare do the same???

If all books, movies and games ended the same way all forms of entertainment would be sterile and devoid of imagination.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:22 .

[Davik Kang]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Way to make assumptions buddy.

@ DragoonLordz, their timing was convenient, however.

It's PROOF!  Look!  They left after the ME3 ending happened!  We finished the game and then they left!  How CONVENIENT!!  LOL at suckers who think they just left because they'd been in videogames for 20 years and just finished their most amitious project to date!  Suckers!  PROOF!!

[CaIIisto]

Davik Kang wrote...

Yeah, quite clearly they didn't bother reviewing it, they just rushed it out and said, "Ending?  Who cares? LOL!"  The fact that they'd spent 5 years crafting the trilogy, listening to everything the fans said, and incorporating loads of stuff to tailor the game to the fans' tastes, and written a story so engaging that millions loved it to death...

and now you think that, after all that, they decided to rush the ending?  And then when people said they didn't like the ending, instead of saying "you're right, we rushed it," they say "we're not changing the ending because we're proud of it" ?  And then, they go to the actual effort of producing additional sequences to fill out the endings, but still stand by the content and format of the original ending?

And you still think that the ending is the result of laziness????  Lack of peer review??? Rushing????

WHAT??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

No, you're right. I'm sure Weekes' PA was just hacked.

No one decides to rush an ending. It just happens, which it clearly did with the end of ME3. How many logical gaps were there in the original endings? It's either rushed or poorly written - you decide.

Why would they change the ending? If Hudson was interested in the slightest about an alternative to his 'vision'  then he'd have engaged the rest of the writing team when writing the original endings. Apparently he didn't. The extended endings were little more than a placation measure that appeased some and not others.

Listening to the fans -  Priceless. 

[Davik Kang]

Dragoonlordz wrote...
If all books, movies and games ended the same way all forms of entertainment would be sterile and devoid of imagination.

The sad, sad thing that is demonstrated by this whole affair is that sterile, unimaginitive narrative is what many people actually want.

[Chardonney]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Chardonney wrote...

HinduCowGirl wrote...

Yeah, and it pisses me off when Chris has the nerve to say that the breath scene could mean either Shepards last breath or his first breath after surviving. That is just so... so... so... ARGH!

Yeah so you say he did DIE, it was your intention all along, but you had a breath cut to credits for LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE. Speculate THIS: Look what happened to Bioware in the aftermath, with the docs leaving and everything..

True. It really wouldn't be too hard to do some fixing, even at this point. At least if I were a game maker, I definitely wouldn't want to go down in history as the game developer who let their fans down.

Just look at one of my most favorite book series, "The Lost Fleet" by Jack Campbell (reminds me of the Quarian flotilla, actually). Here we have this big time war hero from the past, brought back to live from an suspended animation escape pod and who ends up leading the whole fleet against the enemy. He succeeds, falls in love while getting there and - this is my main point - has a happy ending with his LI. Now why couldn't BioWare do the same???

If all books, movies and games ended the same way all forms of entertainment would be sterile.

Yeah, right, like there's not enough books, movies and games were the hero dies in the end already??? 


It should have been one of the options. That's all I'm saying. <_<

[CaIIisto]

Of course it should have been an option.

Unfortunately, some are fearful that they wouldn't have the self control to pick any other ending.

Instead, the rest of us can suffer for their shortcomings.

[AresKeith]

Davik Kang wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
If all books, movies and games ended the same way all forms of entertainment would be sterile and devoid of imagination.

The sad, sad thing that is demonstrated by this whole affair is that sterile, unimaginitive narrative is what many people actually want.

wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

Modifié par AresKeith, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:26 .

[V-rcingetorix]

@Chardonney,
Thanks for a good book recommendation, I'm always on the lookout for books.

@general public,

Just a little logic here; headcanon is neither wrong nor evil. It's just not great for some people. Maybe the Mass Effect series isn't up to the level of Shakespeare, but it was both entertaining and poignant at many points. ME3 had many perfect moments, Mordin dying so Wrex/Krogan could live, Thane saying: "I am near the end of my life. It is good to be generous." Fantastic.

In fact, the whole game had some downright EPIC moments. The only thing that ruined it for me was the abrupt ending, with none of the perfection I had come to associate with ME.

Argue what you will, 90% of the players will say ME3 had a different ending than ME1 and ME2. Adding DLC can leave "artistic integrity" intact and satisfy so many...and even get a healthy chunk of profit.

[Dragoonlordz]

Chardonney wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Chardonney wrote...

HinduCowGirl wrote...

Yeah, and it pisses me off when Chris has the nerve to say that the breath scene could mean either Shepards last breath or his first breath after surviving. That is just so... so... so... ARGH!

Yeah so you say he did DIE, it was your intention all along, but you had a breath cut to credits for LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE. Speculate THIS: Look what happened to Bioware in the aftermath, with the docs leaving and everything..

True. It really wouldn't be too hard to do some fixing, even at this point. At least if I were a game maker, I definitely wouldn't want to go down in history as the game developer who let their fans down.

Just look at one of my most favorite book series, "The Lost Fleet" by Jack Campbell (reminds me of the Quarian flotilla, actually). Here we have this big time war hero from the past, brought back to live from an suspended animation escape pod and who ends up leading the whole fleet against the enemy. He succeeds, falls in love while getting there and - this is my main point - has a happy ending with his LI. Now why couldn't BioWare do the same???

If all books, movies and games ended the same way all forms of entertainment would be sterile.

Yeah, right, like there's not enough books, movies and games were the hero dies in the end already??? 

It should have been one of the options. That's all I'm saying. <_<

There was a good variety in this trilogy, the first game you are forced to survive there is no death option. Second game you could die or you could live, you had the option for either. Third game you die (they added a breath scene as fan service but it seemed clear to me ME3 was a death ending intended aka sacrifice).

So..

1. live
2. live or die
3. die

Got all three bases covered there between the three games.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:31 .

[CaIIisto]

AresKeith wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
If all books, movies and games ended the same way all forms of entertainment would be sterile and devoid of imagination.

The sad, sad thing that is demonstrated by this whole affair is that sterile, unimaginitive narrative is what many people actually want.

wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

"Your choices matter......as long as you don't want this one over here. You can't have that one. Can I interest you in one of these instead? What, no? Well, you still had a choice......."

[HinduCowGirl]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

HinduCowGirl wrote...

Yeah, and it pisses me off when Chris has the nerve to say that the breath scene could mean either Shepards last breath or his first breath after surviving. That is just so... so... so... ARGH!

Yeah so you say he did DIE, it was your intention all along, but you had a breath cut to credits for LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYONE. Speculate THIS: Look what happened to Bioware in the aftermath, with the docs leaving and everything..

What?

Ray and Greg did not say why they left had anything to do with ME3.

That is just tin foil hat territory until they say otherwise.

Lots of speculation for everyone

[CaIIisto]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

So..

1. live
2. live or die
3. die

Got all three bases covered there.

Perhaps we should have had the 'die' option at the end of ME1, and then we could have saved ourselves the effort.

[Ozida]

Bester76 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...
So..

1. live
2. live or die
3. die

Got all three bases covered there.

Perhaps we should have had the 'die' option at the end of ME1, and then we could have saved ourselves the effort.

Priceless.
And not too video-gamey, I'd say!

[HinduCowGirl]

Chardonney wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...


If all books, movies and games ended the same way all forms of entertainment would be sterile.

Yeah, right, like there's not enough books, movies and games were the hero dies in the end already??? 


It should have been one of the options. That's all I'm saying. <_<

^^THIS  

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

There was a good variety in this trilogy, the first game you are forced to survive there is no death option. Second game you could die or you could live, you had the option for either. Third game you die (they added a breath scene as fan service but it seemed clear to me ME3 was a death ending intended aka sacrifice).

So..

1. live
2. live or die
3. die

Got all three bases covered there between the three games.

they may have covered bases, but the ME1 ending gave people a uplifting feeling. People really like the fact that you can make your character live or die in the ME2 ending, so why follow the path of both endings from ME1 and ME2, and give people a greater feeling?

Where you give people the choice to die and fully live and have an uplifting feeling from it

Modifié par AresKeith, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:36 .

[Davik Kang]

Chardonney wrote...
Just look at one of my most favorite book series, "The Lost Fleet" by Jack Campbell (reminds me of the Quarian flotilla, actually). Here we have this big time war hero from the past, brought back to live from an suspended animation escape pod and who ends up leading the whole fleet against the enemy. He succeeds, falls in love while getting there and - this is my main point - has a happy ending with his LI. Now why couldn't BioWare do the same???

Yeah!!!!  Why the hell didn't Bioware just copy this ending??  Fools tried to write their own one.  What were they thinking.

Bester76 wrote...
Why would they change the ending?

Good question.  Your first good point so far.

Bester76 wrote...
Listening to the fans - [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/lol.png[/smilie] Priceless. 

Yeah, when did Bioware ever listen to their fans?  They're so single-minded it's uncanny.

AresKeith wrote...
wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

Demanding to change the ending to a multi-millions-selling video game franchise that other people liked because you didn't like it.  CLEAR RATIONAL THINKING

[HinduCowGirl]

Has people forgotten that you DID DIE in beginning of ME2?
So...
1. Live
2. Died, revived and the chance to live or DIE again
3. Die

[CaIIisto]

Davik Kang wrote...
Yeah, when did Bioware ever listen to their fans?  They're so single-minded it's uncanny.

No, I'm sure fans were inundating them with requests to move further away from RPG and closer to FPS.

[AresKeith]

Davik Kang wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

Demanding to change the ending to a multi-millions-selling video game franchise that other people liked because you didn't like it.  CLEAR RATIONAL THINKING

how is that demanding a change? When the option is clearly possible in the Destroy ending


And I just love the whole " you don't like the ending, so you hate the whole Mass Effect Franchise/series" statements, very close-minded

[AresKeith]

Bester76 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...
Yeah, when did Bioware ever listen to their fans?  They're so single-minded it's uncanny.

No, I'm sure fans were inundating them with requests to move further away from RPG and closer to FPS.

you mean TPS, even though Bioware was making a FPS muiltiplayer game

[CaIIisto]

AresKeith wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...
Yeah, when did Bioware ever listen to their fans?  They're so single-minded it's uncanny.

No, I'm sure fans were inundating them with requests to move further away from RPG and closer to FPS.

you mean TPS, even though Bioware was making a FPS muiltiplayer game

Indeed, thanks for the pickup