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[Iakus]

Davik Kang wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

Demanding to change the ending to a multi-millions-selling video game franchise that other people liked because you didn't like it.  CLEAR RATIONAL THINKING

Wanting actual multiple fates for a character in a game that claims to have multiple endings?

Blasphemy, I say!

[Chardonney]

Davik Kang wrote...

Chardonney wrote...
Just look at one of my most favorite book series, "The Lost Fleet" by Jack Campbell (reminds me of the Quarian flotilla, actually). Here we have this big time war hero from the past, brought back to life from an suspended animation escape pod and who ends up leading the whole fleet against the enemy. He succeeds, falls in love while getting there and - this is my main point - has a happy ending with his LI. Now why couldn't BioWare do the same???

Yeah!!!!  Why the hell didn't Bioware just copy this ending??  Fools tried to write their own one.  What were they thinking.

Copy an ending... Oh, for the love of... Do you even read the posts? It should've been one of the options. An option! Everything in this game is about choices and the ending should've been the same. Not all die-die-breath/rubble scenario. There should've been a happy ending option for those who desired it. <_<  

[KENNY4753]

Davik Kang wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

Demanding to change the ending to a multi-millions-selling video game franchise that other people liked because you didn't like it.  CLEAR RATIONAL THINKING

So then make it an optional dlc. That way you keep your angry fans and still have the one's who are happy. Nobody is demanding that people who like the endings lose them.

I love Mass Effect. I will always love it but ME3 left a sour taste in many fans mouths.

Modifié par KENNY4753, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:48 .

[CaIIisto]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

Demanding to change the ending to a multi-millions-selling video game franchise that other people liked because you didn't like it.  CLEAR RATIONAL THINKING

So then make it an optional dlc. That way you keep your angry fans and still have the one's who are happy. Nobody is demanding that people who like the endings lose them.

I love Mass Effect. I will always love it but ME3 left a sour taste in many fans mouths.

Wouldn't work. These are largely the same people that fear the 'happy' ending because they wouldn't have the self-control not to pick it themselves. Release an optional ending as DLC and they'd have to snap it up, they wouldn't be able to resist.

[KENNY4753]

Bester76 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

Demanding to change the ending to a multi-millions-selling video game franchise that other people liked because you didn't like it.  CLEAR RATIONAL THINKING

So then make it an optional dlc. That way you keep your angry fans and still have the one's who are happy. Nobody is demanding that people who like the endings lose them.

I love Mass Effect. I will always love it but ME3 left a sour taste in many fans mouths.

Wouldn't work. These are largely the same people that fear the 'happy' ending because they wouldn't have the self-control not to pick it themselves. Release an optional ending as DLC and they'd have to snap it up, they wouldn't be able to resist.

So what is worse, having half the fanbase pissed at you or releasing an optional dlc for those who are disappointed. If people who are happy with what they have still take it, then if they don't like the new ending let them disable it so that they could go back to their ending that they liked.

[Iakus]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

Wouldn't work. These are largely the same people that fear the 'happy' ending because they wouldn't have the self-control not to pick it themselves. Release an optional ending as DLC and they'd have to snap it up, they wouldn't be able to resist.

So what is worse, having half the fanbase pissed at you or releasing an optional dlc for those who are disappointed. If people who are happy with what they have still take it, then if they don't like the new ending let them disable it so that they could go back to their ending that they liked.

Guess they're writing off the 47%

Yes, I went there  

[CaIIisto]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

Demanding to change the ending to a multi-millions-selling video game franchise that other people liked because you didn't like it.  CLEAR RATIONAL THINKING

So then make it an optional dlc. That way you keep your angry fans and still have the one's who are happy. Nobody is demanding that people who like the endings lose them.

I love Mass Effect. I will always love it but ME3 left a sour taste in many fans mouths.

Wouldn't work. These are largely the same people that fear the 'happy' ending because they wouldn't have the self-control not to pick it themselves. Release an optional ending as DLC and they'd have to snap it up, they wouldn't be able to resist.

So what is worse, having half the fanbase pissed at you or releasing an optional dlc for those who are disappointed. If people who are happy with what they have still take it, then if they don't like the new ending let them disable it so that they could go back to their ending that they liked.

Oh I agree with you. 

I'd pay for any DLC that actually improved the endings. 

Sadly, even when it's optional, the more narrow-minded pro-enders will still try and shout the idea down.

[Redbelle]

Davik Kang wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Ah you mean all those people who love Mass Effect because of how well written it was?  And who now have come to vilify Bioware by deciding that suddenly they went from being brilliant writers to idiots?

No, obviously foregoing peer review and rushing it out was a stroke of genius.

Yeah, quite clearly they didn't bother reviewing it, they just rushed it out and said, "Ending?  Who cares? LOL!"  The fact that they'd spent 5 years crafting the trilogy, listening to everything the fans said, and incorporating loads of stuff to tailor the game to the fans' tastes, and written a story so engaging that millions loved it to death...

and now you think that, after all that, they decided to rush the ending?  And then when people said they didn't like the ending, instead of saying "you're right, we rushed it," they say "we're not changing the ending because we're proud of it" ?  And then, they go to the actual effort of producing additional sequences to fill out the endings, but still stand by the content and format of the original ending?

And you still think that the ending is the result of laziness????  Lack of peer review??? Rushing????

WHAT??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I'm tempted to delete this from my favourates since I'm trying to move on........... but then I read the last poster I'm replying to and it it would seem the time is not yet right,

www.gamesthirst.com/2012/03/22/mass-effect-3-writer-distance-himself-from-game-ending-blames-casey-hudson/

Modifié par Redbelle, 29 septembre 2012 - 07:57 .

[KENNY4753]

Bester76 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

Demanding to change the ending to a multi-millions-selling video game franchise that other people liked because you didn't like it.  CLEAR RATIONAL THINKING

So then make it an optional dlc. That way you keep your angry fans and still have the one's who are happy. Nobody is demanding that people who like the endings lose them.

I love Mass Effect. I will always love it but ME3 left a sour taste in many fans mouths.

Wouldn't work. These are largely the same people that fear the 'happy' ending because they wouldn't have the self-control not to pick it themselves. Release an optional ending as DLC and they'd have to snap it up, they wouldn't be able to resist.

So what is worse, having half the fanbase pissed at you or releasing an optional dlc for those who are disappointed. If people who are happy with what they have still take it, then if they don't like the new ending let them disable it so that they could go back to their ending that they liked.

Oh I agree with you. 

I'd pay for any DLC that actually improved the endings. 

Sadly, even when it's optional, the more narrow-minded pro-enders will still try and shout the idea down.

Oh trust me I know .

I would pay for it too because I love Mass Effect. If I had to pay 10 bucks for a good ending I would. If people like the endings I'm fine with that, but rationally BW would help themselves if they worked with the fans who are angry. Plus a paid optional dlc means they would get paid for giving the angry fans what they want. So I don't see why they don't do it.

[Pain87]

Yep.....it would be so easy for BW....the must´n change there Plot...only give us a new Option.
Fans will be Happy...BW will be happy(because they make money and take some of the Fans back)...everbody wins, Fans and Bioware.

[CaIIisto]

KENNY4753 wrote...
I would pay for it too because I love Mass Effect. If I had to pay 10 bucks for a good ending I would. If people like the endings I'm fine with that, but rationally BW would help themselves if they worked with the fans who are angry. Plus a paid optional dlc means they would get paid for giving the angry fans what they want. So I don't see why they don't do it.

Well the more cynical amongst us would probably wonder if that's been BW's game all along.....

[KENNY4753]

Bester76 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...
I would pay for it too because I love Mass Effect. If I had to pay 10 bucks for a good ending I would. If people like the endings I'm fine with that, but rationally BW would help themselves if they worked with the fans who are angry. Plus a paid optional dlc means they would get paid for giving the angry fans what they want. So I don't see why they don't do it.

Well the more cynical amongst us would probably wonder if that's been BW's game all along.....

Right now I wouldn't care if it was their plan all along. I just want ME3 to no longer leave a sour taste in my mouth.

[MegaSovereign]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

Demanding to change the ending to a multi-millions-selling video game franchise that other people liked because you didn't like it.  CLEAR RATIONAL THINKING

So then make it an optional dlc. That way you keep your angry fans and still have the one's who are happy. Nobody is demanding that people who like the endings lose them.

I love Mass Effect. I will always love it but ME3 left a sour taste in many fans mouths.

I for one don't want them to push back their planned DLC schedule. So no it's not a simple win-win situation.

If the demand is high enough I can see them releasing new ending content AFTER all their planned DLC has been released.

[Davik Kang]

Bester76 wrote...
Perhaps we should have had the 'die' option at the end of ME1, and then we could have saved ourselves the effort.

What a great point!  This is such a clever point.  Brilliant.

AresKeith wrote...
how is that demanding a change? When the option is clearly possible in the Destroy ending


And I just love the whole " you don't like the ending, so you hate the whole Mass Effect Franchise/series" statements, very close-minded 

Reasoning without logic... it must be exhiliarating, right?

Chardonney wrote...
Copy an ending... Oh, for the love of... Do you even read the posts? It should've been one of the options. An option! Everything in this game is about choices and the ending should've been the same. Not all die-die-breath/rubble scenario. There should've been a happy ending option for those who desired it. <_<   

Oh... silly me.  It's an option!  If it had been an end, well that would've been just copying.  But it's an option, so it's not copying at all!  Of course!  Why didn't I think of this?

Ah this is too much fun.

[KENNY4753]

MegaSovereign wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

Demanding to change the ending to a multi-millions-selling video game franchise that other people liked because you didn't like it.  CLEAR RATIONAL THINKING

So then make it an optional dlc. That way you keep your angry fans and still have the one's who are happy. Nobody is demanding that people who like the endings lose them.

I love Mass Effect. I will always love it but ME3 left a sour taste in many fans mouths.

I for one don't want them to push back their planned DLC schedule. So no it's not a simple win-win situation.

If the demand is high enough I can see them releasing new ending content AFTER all their planned DLC has been released.

I would be fine with that. I'm hoping that all the dlc together will change the ending in some way but if not I wouldn't mind waiting until the planned dlc are done before getting  an alternate ending.

[Redbelle]

Chardonney wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

Chardonney wrote...
Just look at one of my most favorite book series, "The Lost Fleet" by Jack Campbell (reminds me of the Quarian flotilla, actually). Here we have this big time war hero from the past, brought back to life from an suspended animation escape pod and who ends up leading the whole fleet against the enemy. He succeeds, falls in love while getting there and - this is my main point - has a happy ending with his LI. Now why couldn't BioWare do the same???

Yeah!!!!  Why the hell didn't Bioware just copy this ending??  Fools tried to write their own one.  What were they thinking.

Copy an ending... Oh, for the love of... Do you even read the posts? It should've been one of the options. An option! Everything in this game is about choices and the ending should've been the same. Not all die-die-breath/rubble scenario. There should've been a happy ending option for those who desired it. <_<  

Lost fleet is a brilliant little series. The author wrote other books that contain alot of the same ideas that the lost fleet uses but in TLF it finally come together.

Incidently, BW did copy a game, in spirit if not function with Deus Ex, the first one. Why they went with a Deus Ex instead of keeping the series grounded in it's sci-fi military settings is a mystery. But I maintain that driving Mako's through Reaper ship corridors and shooting it from the inside is the most fun I can imagine. Unless they write in a shootout at sundown against a Reaper and Shepard with a fistfull of cains.

But dispite my misgivings. There is a message in their ending somewhere. 4 really. But ultimately what it comes down to is this. You can't beat the gods without help from another god..... child....... who'll want something in return. Unless you go destroy and kill some of your friends......... Urggghhhh.

ME2's concept was simple. Your going to die. It's a suicide mission so of course your going to die! The whole point of ME2 was that your actions would maybe help prevent you from dying because nothing is written in stone until you actually do it.

ME3's concept was 'This Is The Reaper War!!!' Um, ok. Then I shall go around and use diplomacy and a gun to get everyone together to fight this thing. Every species in the galaxy on Team Shepard! Yeeeahhhh! Only instead of taking actions in game and showing consequences in game, we got a score? And nothing else? Hands up who thinks running along side a battalion of Krogan as they head smash through husks and Brutes would be just a bit too cool for words?

And there is the problem. ME is a brilliant series of games. But they could not pull off something like orchestrating a setpiece like the one described above. This calls into question the developers imagination, the number of ppl they had available to code, and perhaps most importantly........ a question that's been niggling me when I read an interview where a developer said they had pushed the technology as far as they could so all they had to do was focus on the story............

Gimme gunships and Rachni with a Quarian laser targetting pointer strapped to it's beak while an army of biotics repel a Reaper beam and send a literal wave of biotic energy sending Reaper ground troops through the air to land several miles away. This was supposed to be the end war. Didn't feel the end.

Modifié par Redbelle, 29 septembre 2012 - 08:17 .

[Chardonney]

MegaSovereign wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...
So then make it an optional dlc. That way you keep your angry fans and still have the one's who are happy. Nobody is demanding that people who like the endings lose them.

If the demand is high enough I can see them releasing new ending content...

I fully agree on both accounts.

[CaIIisto]

Davik Kang wrote...

What a great point!  This is such a clever point.  Brilliant.

We're still waiting on your's. Should we expect one anytime ahead of ME4 are you just going to carry on 'trying'?

[GarvakD]

It really does make me frustrated.  And 10 bucks?  Hell, I'd pay full retail for such a product.  

KENNY4753 wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

Demanding to change the ending to a multi-millions-selling video game franchise that other people liked because you didn't like it.  CLEAR RATIONAL THINKING

So then make it an optional dlc. That way you keep your angry fans and still have the one's who are happy. Nobody is demanding that people who like the endings lose them.

I love Mass Effect. I will always love it but ME3 left a sour taste in many fans mouths.

Wouldn't work. These are largely the same people that fear the 'happy' ending because they wouldn't have the self-control not to pick it themselves. Release an optional ending as DLC and they'd have to snap it up, they wouldn't be able to resist.

So what is worse, having half the fanbase pissed at you or releasing an optional dlc for those who are disappointed. If people who are happy with what they have still take it, then if they don't like the new ending let them disable it so that they could go back to their ending that they liked.

Oh I agree with you. 

I'd pay for any DLC that actually improved the endings. 

Sadly, even when it's optional, the more narrow-minded pro-enders will still try and shout the idea down.

Oh trust me I know .

I would pay for it too because I love Mass Effect. If I had to pay 10 bucks for a good ending I would. If people like the endings I'm fine with that, but rationally BW would help themselves if they worked with the fans who are angry. Plus a paid optional dlc means they would get paid for giving the angry fans what they want. So I don't see why they don't do it.

Modifié par GarvakD, 29 septembre 2012 - 08:24 .

[Davik Kang]

Bester76 wrote...
We're still waiting on your's. Should we expect one anytime ahead of ME4 are you just going to carry on 'trying'?

My actual points get drowned out by incoherent nonsense in these KILL THE ENDING forums.

I assume you're a guy, but your profile pic makes me think you're a girl, and if you are, will you marry me?  I think I'm in love.

[KENNY4753]

GarvakD wrote...

It really does make me frustrated.  And 10 bucks?  Hell, I'd pay full retail for such a product.

I was going off of what the usual dlc cost is but I would pay more than 10

[CaIIisto]

Davik Kang wrote...

My actual points get drowned out by incoherent nonsense in these KILL THE ENDING forums.

I assume you're a guy, but your profile pic makes me think you're a girl, and if you are, will you marry me?  I think I'm in love.

Well I'll just let you live in wonder. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

MegaSovereign wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Davik Kang wrote...

AresKeith wrote...
wanting to have an option where the hero can actually live and fully see it in a game thats built around choices, BLASPHEMY

Demanding to change the ending to a multi-millions-selling video game franchise that other people liked because you didn't like it.  CLEAR RATIONAL THINKING

So then make it an optional dlc. That way you keep your angry fans and still have the one's who are happy. Nobody is demanding that people who like the endings lose them.

I love Mass Effect. I will always love it but ME3 left a sour taste in many fans mouths.

I for one don't want them to push back their planned DLC schedule. So no it's not a simple win-win situation.

If the demand is high enough I can see them releasing new ending content AFTER all their planned DLC has been released.

I can wait, I really do want this series to be playable for me again.

[Redbelle]

Davik Kang wrote...

Bester76 wrote...
We're still waiting on your's. Should we expect one anytime ahead of ME4 are you just going to carry on 'trying'?

My actual points get drowned out by incoherent nonsense in these KILL THE ENDING forums.

I assume you're a guy, but your profile pic makes me think you're a girl, and if you are, will you marry me?  I think I'm in love.

If the issue is that some fans, not all, but some, want to kill the ending, I think an important question is why do they want to kill it?

Comparative analysis may be the best approach to this. And since ME2 and 3 are the closer in it's cover shooter approach I'd go with those two.

ME2 then. What did it's end game have that ME3 didn't? If anything? discuss.

*Edit* You could get your squad mates killed in ME2's end game. ME3's squad, by comparison is more on the rails.

*Edit* ME2 had a final battle to kill the larval Reaper. The result of the murder and extermination of human beings driven into pods and goo'd like cattle. The thing was an abomination. And Shepard killed it with his own hands and got the job done. No questions...... ME3 Well, Less hands on unless you went with control and bridged the circuit with Sheps body. And ECDLC does help clarify what happened after each choice. But still, the jury is still out on what the choices actually mean in principle.

Modifié par Redbelle, 29 septembre 2012 - 08:30 .

[Chardonney]

Redbelle wrote...

And there is the problem. ME is a brilliant series of games. But they could not pull off something like orchestrating a setpiece like the one described above. This calls into question the developers imagination, the number of ppl they had available to code, and perhaps most importantly........ a question that's been niggling me when I read an interview where a developer said they had pushed the technology as far as they could so all they had to do was focus on the story............

Gimme gunships and Rachni with a Quarian laser targetting pointer strapped to it's beak while an army of biotics repel a Reaper beam and send a literal wave of biotic energy sending Reaper ground troops through the air to land several miles away. This was supposed to be the end war. Didn't feel the end.

Well, it seems that at least one of the writers did want exactly that:

"I wanted to see banshees attacking you,
and then have asari gunships zoom in and blow them away. I wanted to see
a wave of rachni ravagers come around a corner only to be met by a wall
of krogan roaring a battle cry. Here’s the horror the Reapers inflicted
upon each race, and here’s the army that you, Commander Shepard, made
out of every race in the galaxy to fight them."

"But holy crap, yeah, I can see how incredibly disappointing it’d be to
hear of all the different ending possibilities and have it break down to
“which color is stuff glowing?”

Too bad they didn't listen to him. Instead...

"The stuff with the Catalyst just… You have to understand. Casey is
really smart and really analytical. And the problem is that when he’s
not checked, he will assume that other people are like him, and will
really appreciate an almost completely unemotional intellectual ending. I
didn’t hate it, but I didn’t love it."

Modifié par Chardonney, 29 septembre 2012 - 08:28 .