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[MegaSovereign]

plfranke wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I know, but he was making it seem as if 70% liked the ending and Bioware did a fantastic job because of that. Whether an ending dlc would sell I can't say based on that data. I can say I would pay a full game's worth for an ending that is on the level of mass effect 2's suicide mission. I can't say that the majority hate the ending, but too many people do.

So why should they refocus their DLC schedule to pacify those that didn't like it, even if they necessarily aren't the majority?

Even besides this, if its premium DLC then surely this would backfire even more. Wouldn't it?

Not my argument. I'll admit I'm off topic. There are some people on this thread though that aren't like you mega. They're trying to make 30% hating the ending seem negligible, and totally ignoring that the 34% that just thought they were okay also were not entirely satisfied. I don't think they should refocus their entire dlc schedule. However, I think it's reasonable to assume that if there were a dlc that was actually just an addition to the game, not like Leviathan which should have been there to begin with, they could postpone or cancel it in favor of an ending dlc that would probably sell to at least 64% of the fanbase.

It's fair for you to say that those people who just thought the ending was okay may not buy the ending dlc. For that matter, the case could be made that people who hated the ending may not buy the dlc. However, it's just as likely that those people are so disappointed with the ending that they won't buy any dlc no matter where it's centered.

I sympathize with the OP.

I mostly got what I wanted with the EC, so I'm not talking about Mass Effect.

I too use to rage on internet forums over my former favorite franchise, Gears of War. When Gears 2 released I wasted hours ranting on Epic Games' official forums about its connection issues and game balance problems. Ultimately I got tired of it and left the forums and stopped playing their broken game.

A couple months later they started releasing a series of patches to address those problems.  Was it my rants on their forums that finally got to them? Probably not. It's because the game's sales were slow and the MP community was dying.

Moral of the story:  Capitalism always wins. The majority will get what it wants. Making pleas to try to emotionally manipulate the situation won't get to Bioware.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 31 août 2012 - 12:03 .

[dreman9999]

drayfish wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

drayfish wrote...

Are you being serious?

(Not about the 'shellfish' thing - I presume that was a miss-type)

Are you genuinely discounting another human being's opinion because it doesn't align with yours?  I don't even know where to begin responding to that.  Surely that's not your level of discourse anywhere else in life?

No. I'm  discounting it because it won't change anything and it's ignoring the other parties wish.

What other party?  I'm not sure who you think is being maligned or mistreated in this scenario.

Whether one agrees with the OP or not, it appears that no one is being asked to lose anything - only to have more options included.  Those who like the ending (such as yourself) can remain liking it.  Those who do not, may find something to enjoy in future alterations.  (I do not think Bioware have any intention of doing such a thing, but that is the dream.)

You appear to be arguing to protect the rights of some imagined victim who actually stands to lose nothing.  And in doing so you are dictating that people unhappy with the conclusion have no right to express their opinion.

It is a very strange and contradictory position to adopt.

The other party being BW. They have a right to write the story as they like as long asit makes sense.
The op has the right to say they don't like the endings, but none to have it changed again to the way they want it. We don't choose the choices that are in the game.

[plfranke]

clennon8 wrote...

For eff's sake people, just ignore the troll. Never more obvious a bridge underdweller has there been.

I know you can clearly see from the way he writes his posts that he is intentionally trolling. No one could form sentences so poorly, spell so many words wrong and use such terrible grammar without trying to do so.

[3DandBeyond]

robertthebard wrote...

Yeah, but I took the question to mean generally releasing a product with those kinds of numbers.  Based solely on that, the outlook is skewed.  In business, you look at feedback from everybody, fix what you can, and go again and hope for more successful numbers the second time around.  If, in context with the question as presented, I got these kind of numbers, I'd have been encouraged, not discouraged.  Context is important, had he said endings, I would have skipped the post, more than likely.

Yes, context is.  I've tried to do a lot of anecdotal research on it because that's all you will ever get-as I said even sales figures won't tell everything.  Video games just are not viewed in the same context as are other products and I hope this will change.  As the video gamer ages (older players are getting into this and gamers themselves are aging), there may have to be an adjustment in the industry.   If buyers start to press the issue and try to return things, this might change the industry, but time is against us.  Soon they may very likely do away with all disk versions of games and they've already decided that you can't get your money back for downloaded games and DLC.  Look at trends and you see that consumers are being squeezed.  You need an online code for online play on consoles-so resale of disk games isn't great.  And everyone is getting in on selling used.  Best Buy near me had many copies of ME3 used for $18, I think it was.  And they had a label on it that said you might have to pay extra for online play.  They had the game new for $40 for some reason.  It's $20 new at Amazon.

The problem with those numbers is they are like the self-delusional "reviewers love us" mentality.  Viewing that as 70% that like it would mean they aren't understanding the numbers. 

I did also ask others that said the loved the endings, what they loved about them and I didn't actually feel the love from what they said.  So, I don't even know if those that love them, love them.  Some do, but whereas I could write about what I dislike, I don't think some can say what they like.

[dreman9999]

MegaSovereign wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I know, but he was making it seem as if 70% liked the ending and Bioware did a fantastic job because of that. Whether an ending dlc would sell I can't say based on that data. I can say I would pay a full game's worth for an ending that is on the level of mass effect 2's suicide mission. I can't say that the majority hate the ending, but too many people do.

So why should they refocus their DLC schedule to pacify those that didn't like it, even if they necessarily aren't the majority?

Even besides this, if its premium DLC then surely this would backfire even more. Wouldn't it?

Not my argument. I'll admit I'm off topic. There are some people on this thread though that aren't like you mega. They're trying to make 30% hating the ending seem negligible, and totally ignoring that the 34% that just thought they were okay also were not entirely satisfied. I don't think they should refocus their entire dlc schedule. However, I think it's reasonable to assume that if there were a dlc that was actually just an addition to the game, not like Leviathan which should have been there to begin with, they could postpone or cancel it in favor of an ending dlc that would probably sell to at least 64% of the fanbase.

It's fair for you to say that those people who just thought the ending was okay may not buy the ending dlc. For that matter, the case could be made that people who hated the ending may not buy the dlc. However, it's just as likely that those people are so disappointed with the ending that they won't buy any dlc no matter where it's centered.

I sympathize with the OP.

I mostly got what I wanted with the EC, so I'm not talking about Mass Effect.

I too use to rage on internet forums over my former favorite franchise, Gears of War. When Gears 2 released I wasted hours ranting on Epic Games' official forums about its connection issues and game balance problems. Ultimately I got tired of it and left the forums and stopped playing their broken game.

A couple months later they started releasing a series of patches to address those problems.  Was it my rants on their forums that finally got to them? Probably not. It's because the game's sales were slow and the MP community was dying.

Moral of the story:  Capitalism always wins. The majority will get what it wants. Making pleas to try to emotionally manipulate the situation won't get to Bioware.

That is a great post.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

It's their story. They have the right to take it were they want to go as long as it makes sense. And bw went out of the way to fix everything in the ending for it to make sense...Everything with in option.

they didn't change the endings, all they did was add cutscenes that sound have already been in the game, the only change they did was retconning the Mass Relays and add in the refuse option

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. I said I don't like the oiginal endings. The new ones I very much like. The catalsyt I now have to problem with. Priority :earth...That needs more work.

2.You missing the fact that what your asking is not the direction BW wants to go with the story. They are not going to make a special ending just for the people who hate the choice at the end. You don't understand that. That why it's shelfish. Your only conserd for what you want, not what the people making it want.

well its selfish of you to try and discount someone's thread which there allowed to make and call it pointless

I'm not saing they can'tmake the topic. I'm saying I can say what I want about it and point the reality of the situation.
The reality of the situation is the topic is pointless being thatit opinion based on an issue with no absolute majority made clear.

[plfranke]

MegaSovereign wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I know, but he was making it seem as if 70% liked the ending and Bioware did a fantastic job because of that. Whether an ending dlc would sell I can't say based on that data. I can say I would pay a full game's worth for an ending that is on the level of mass effect 2's suicide mission. I can't say that the majority hate the ending, but too many people do.

So why should they refocus their DLC schedule to pacify those that didn't like it, even if they necessarily aren't the majority?

Even besides this, if its premium DLC then surely this would backfire even more. Wouldn't it?

Not my argument. I'll admit I'm off topic. There are some people on this thread though that aren't like you mega. They're trying to make 30% hating the ending seem negligible, and totally ignoring that the 34% that just thought they were okay also were not entirely satisfied. I don't think they should refocus their entire dlc schedule. However, I think it's reasonable to assume that if there were a dlc that was actually just an addition to the game, not like Leviathan which should have been there to begin with, they could postpone or cancel it in favor of an ending dlc that would probably sell to at least 64% of the fanbase.

It's fair for you to say that those people who just thought the ending was okay may not buy the ending dlc. For that matter, the case could be made that people who hated the ending may not buy the dlc. However, it's just as likely that those people are so disappointed with the ending that they won't buy any dlc no matter where it's centered.

I sympathize with the OP.

I mostly got what I wanted with the EC, so I'm not talking about Mass Effect.

I too use to rage on internet forums over my former favorite franchise, Gears of War. When Gears 2 released I wasted hours ranting on Epic Games' official forums about its connection issues and game balance problems. Ultimately I got tired of it and left the forums and stopped playing their broken game.

A couple months later they started releasing a series of patches to address those problems.  Was it my rants on their forums that finally got to them? Probably not. It's because the game's sales were slow and the MP community was dying.

Moral of the story:  Capitalism always wins. The majority will get what it wants. Making pleas to try to emotionally manipulate the situation won't get to Bioware.

Sad thing is, I don't think Capitalism will win in this case. I think people who would otherwise not buy Bioware products will end up buying them out of hopes it will change something. I bought Leviathan in hopes that I would get to see them in the final battle, and I couldn't even get that. All I can hope for is that one day Bioware is forced to answer for all the pre release lies and say what they were going for in the ending. I for one though won't be buying another product from them. I think it's probably time I do what you did and leave these forums. While it has helped me cope with the my favorite series abandoning everything I loved about, I think now it's doing the opposite.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's their story. They have the right to take it were they want to go as long as it makes sense. And bw went out of the way to fix everything in the ending for it to make sense...Everything with in option.

they didn't change the endings, all they did was add cutscenes that sound have already been in the game, the only change they did was retconning the Mass Relays and add in the refuse option

That is still a change. Adding more is still changing.

[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I sympathize with the OP.

I mostly got what I wanted with the EC, so I'm not talking about Mass Effect.

I too use to rage on internet forums over my former favorite franchise, Gears of War. When Gears 2 released I wasted hours ranting on Epic Games' official forums about its connection issues and game balance problems. Ultimately I got tired of it and left the forums and stopped playing their broken game.

A couple months later they started releasing a series of patches to address those problems.  Was it my rants on their forums that finally got to them? Probably not. It's because the game's sales were slow and the MP community was dying.

Moral of the story:  Capitalism always wins. The majority will get what it wants. Making pleas to try to emotionally manipulate the situation won't get to Bioware.

I do agree with you on that.  Ultimately sales will determine all, but I still feel that there is a slight chance that should things go south, they will look for answers and they may see posts here (not necessarily mine) that resonate.

I appreciate your comments because you do encourage me to think and all and I don't want only people to agree about things-I think that's a problem if they do.  I just see it as potential lost or thrown away by BW.  It would have taken so little to address this from the start and they ignored it all and fomented further divisiveness, when it would be nice if we were all looking forward to DLC and enjoying the game.

[MegaSovereign]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's their story. They have the right to take it were they want to go as long as it makes sense. And bw went out of the way to fix everything in the ending for it to make sense...Everything with in option.

they didn't change the endings, all they did was add cutscenes that sound have already been in the game, the only change they did was retconning the Mass Relays and add in the refuse option

And retconning the Normandy explosion when it contacts the Crucible blast.

Boy was that nonsensical.

[MegaSovereign]

3DandBeyond wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I sympathize with the OP.

I mostly got what I wanted with the EC, so I'm not talking about Mass Effect.

I too use to rage on internet forums over my former favorite franchise, Gears of War. When Gears 2 released I wasted hours ranting on Epic Games' official forums about its connection issues and game balance problems. Ultimately I got tired of it and left the forums and stopped playing their broken game.

A couple months later they started releasing a series of patches to address those problems.  Was it my rants on their forums that finally got to them? Probably not. It's because the game's sales were slow and the MP community was dying.

Moral of the story:  Capitalism always wins. The majority will get what it wants. Making pleas to try to emotionally manipulate the situation won't get to Bioware.

I do agree with you on that.  Ultimately sales will determine all, but I still feel that there is a slight chance that should things go south, they will look for answers and they may see posts here (not necessarily mine) that resonate.

I appreciate your comments because you do encourage me to think and all and I don't want only people to agree about things-I think that's a problem if they do.  I just see it as potential lost or thrown away by BW.  It would have taken so little to address this from the start and they ignored it all and fomented further divisiveness, when it would be nice if we were all looking forward to DLC and enjoying the game.

You are an anomaly, but this is not enough.

The cycle shall continue.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 31 août 2012 - 12:11 .

[dreman9999]

plfranke wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I know, but he was making it seem as if 70% liked the ending and Bioware did a fantastic job because of that. Whether an ending dlc would sell I can't say based on that data. I can say I would pay a full game's worth for an ending that is on the level of mass effect 2's suicide mission. I can't say that the majority hate the ending, but too many people do.

So why should they refocus their DLC schedule to pacify those that didn't like it, even if they necessarily aren't the majority?

Even besides this, if its premium DLC then surely this would backfire even more. Wouldn't it?

Not my argument. I'll admit I'm off topic. There are some people on this thread though that aren't like you mega. They're trying to make 30% hating the ending seem negligible, and totally ignoring that the 34% that just thought they were okay also were not entirely satisfied. I don't think they should refocus their entire dlc schedule. However, I think it's reasonable to assume that if there were a dlc that was actually just an addition to the game, not like Leviathan which should have been there to begin with, they could postpone or cancel it in favor of an ending dlc that would probably sell to at least 64% of the fanbase.

It's fair for you to say that those people who just thought the ending was okay may not buy the ending dlc. For that matter, the case could be made that people who hated the ending may not buy the dlc. However, it's just as likely that those people are so disappointed with the ending that they won't buy any dlc no matter where it's centered.

I sympathize with the OP.

I mostly got what I wanted with the EC, so I'm not talking about Mass Effect.

I too use to rage on internet forums over my former favorite franchise, Gears of War. When Gears 2 released I wasted hours ranting on Epic Games' official forums about its connection issues and game balance problems. Ultimately I got tired of it and left the forums and stopped playing their broken game.

A couple months later they started releasing a series of patches to address those problems.  Was it my rants on their forums that finally got to them? Probably not. It's because the game's sales were slow and the MP community was dying.

Moral of the story:  Capitalism always wins. The majority will get what it wants. Making pleas to try to emotionally manipulate the situation won't get to Bioware.

Sad thing is, I don't think Capitalism will win in this case. I think people who would otherwise not buy Bioware products will end up buying them out of hopes it will change something. I bought Leviathan in hopes that I would get to see them in the final battle, and I couldn't even get that. All I can hope for is that one day Bioware is forced to answer for all the pre release lies and say what they were going for in the ending. I for one though won't be buying another product from them. I think it's probably time I do what you did and leave these forums. While it has helped me cope with the my favorite series abandoning everything I loved about, I think now it's doing the opposite.

Nicw way to warp it. That still is capitalism winning. If peopel still buy, that means peoplr still want your product. What your really concerned is getting what you want. Your nervous capitalism may not sway your direction.

[plfranke]

3DandBeyond wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Yeah, but I took the question to mean generally releasing a product with those kinds of numbers.  Based solely on that, the outlook is skewed.  In business, you look at feedback from everybody, fix what you can, and go again and hope for more successful numbers the second time around.  If, in context with the question as presented, I got these kind of numbers, I'd have been encouraged, not discouraged.  Context is important, had he said endings, I would have skipped the post, more than likely.

Yes, context is.  I've tried to do a lot of anecdotal research on it because that's all you will ever get-as I said even sales figures won't tell everything.  Video games just are not viewed in the same context as are other products and I hope this will change.  As the video gamer ages (older players are getting into this and gamers themselves are aging), there may have to be an adjustment in the industry.   If buyers start to press the issue and try to return things, this might change the industry, but time is against us.  Soon they may very likely do away with all disk versions of games and they've already decided that you can't get your money back for downloaded games and DLC.  Look at trends and you see that consumers are being squeezed.  You need an online code for online play on consoles-so resale of disk games isn't great.  And everyone is getting in on selling used.  Best Buy near me had many copies of ME3 used for $18, I think it was.  And they had a label on it that said you might have to pay extra for online play.  They had the game new for $40 for some reason.  It's $20 new at Amazon.

The problem with those numbers is they are like the self-delusional "reviewers love us" mentality.  Viewing that as 70% that like it would mean they aren't understanding the numbers. 

I did also ask others that said the loved the endings, what they loved about them and I didn't actually feel the love from what they said.  So, I don't even know if those that love them, love them.  Some do, but whereas I could write about what I dislike, I don't think some can say what they like.

This was beautifully written.

[drayfish]

dreman9999 wrote...

drayfish wrote...

What other party?  I'm not sure who you think is being maligned or mistreated in this scenario.

Whether one agrees with the OP or not, it appears that no one is being asked to lose anything - only to have more options included.  Those who like the ending (such as yourself) can remain liking it.  Those who do not, may find something to enjoy in future alterations.  (I do not think Bioware have any intention of doing such a thing, but that is the dream.)

You appear to be arguing to protect the rights of some imagined victim who actually stands to lose nothing.  And in doing so you are dictating that people unhappy with the conclusion have no right to express their opinion.

It is a very strange and contradictory position to adopt.

The other party being BW. They have a right to write the story as they like as long asit makes sense.
The op has the right to say they don't like the endings, but none to have it changed again to the way they want it. We don't choose the choices that are in the game.

But didn't you yourself say that you hated the original ending of the game, and then liked the ending after the Extended Cut (in which some glaring details were changed or expanded upon)?

Does this not contradict your hard-lined 'They should change nothing' position?

[dreman9999]

MegaSovereign wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's their story. They have the right to take it were they want to go as long as it makes sense. And bw went out of the way to fix everything in the ending for it to make sense...Everything with in option.

they didn't change the endings, all they did was add cutscenes that sound have already been in the game, the only change they did was retconning the Mass Relays and add in the refuse option

And retconning the Normandy explosion when it contacts the Crucible blast.

Boy was that nonsensical.

That was the nonsense that made me die inside...Why was joker even looking down the hallway in tha scene?

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...
Nicw way to warp it. That still is capitalism winning. If peopel still buy, that means peoplr still want your product. What your really concerned is getting what you want. Your nervous capitalism may not sway your direction.

Ok enough.  Dreman, I am asking you nicely to stop with the regurgitation of what others say as if you believe it.  You have said there are things you don't like about the endings and here you've called me selfish, when I was not, you are simply mimicking what others say just to say something.  You are not making any sense.

[dreman9999]

drayfish wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

drayfish wrote...

What other party?  I'm not sure who you think is being maligned or mistreated in this scenario.

Whether one agrees with the OP or not, it appears that no one is being asked to lose anything - only to have more options included.  Those who like the ending (such as yourself) can remain liking it.  Those who do not, may find something to enjoy in future alterations.  (I do not think Bioware have any intention of doing such a thing, but that is the dream.)

You appear to be arguing to protect the rights of some imagined victim who actually stands to lose nothing.  And in doing so you are dictating that people unhappy with the conclusion have no right to express their opinion.

It is a very strange and contradictory position to adopt.

The other party being BW. They have a right to write the story as they like as long asit makes sense.
The op has the right to say they don't like the endings, but none to have it changed again to the way they want it. We don't choose the choices that are in the game.

But didn't you yourself say that you hated the original ending of the game, and then liked the ending after the Extended Cut (in which some glaring details were changed or expanded upon)?

Does this not contradict your hard-lined 'They should change nothing' position?

No. Read what I said...
They have a right to write the story as they like as long as it makes sense.

as they like as long as it makes sense.

The origianl ending made little to no sense. Having random stuff happing in the end is not justifiedbecause your the writer.
I'm now ok with the ec endign because they make sense. With the new dlc, the endings make more sense.

Modifié par dreman9999, 31 août 2012 - 12:15 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I wish they would hear 3D on this. I really do. Will they?

* In the uproar over the original endings they listened but they did not hear. They listened to a bunch of complaints and clarified their "art". They didn't hear what the complaints were about.

* Now we're still here telling them those same complaints which went unanswered the first time because they listened but did not hear.

Or should I say read but did not comprehend because some people tweet more articulately than others.

And those who post on forums get ignored.

[Ghost]

dreman9999 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's their story. They have the right to take it were they want to go as long as it makes sense. And bw went out of the way to fix everything in the ending for it to make sense...Everything with in option.

they didn't change the endings, all they did was add cutscenes that sound have already been in the game, the only change they did was retconning the Mass Relays and add in the refuse option

And retconning the Normandy explosion when it contacts the Crucible blast.

Boy was that nonsensical.

That was the nonsense that made me die inside...Why was joker even looking down the hallway in tha scene?

It's a film effect this is not the first game or movie that has done that.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Nicw way to warp it. That still is capitalism winning. If peopel still buy, that means peoplr still want your product. What your really concerned is getting what you want. Your nervous capitalism may not sway your direction.

Ok enough.  Dreman, I am asking you nicely to stop with the regurgitation of what others say as if you believe it.  You have said there are things you don't like about the endings and here you've called me selfish, when I was not, you are simply mimicking what others say just to say something.  You are not making any sense.

How does what I just said not make sense?

[Baa Baa]

plfranke wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

robertthebard wrote...

Yeah, but I took the question to mean generally releasing a product with those kinds of numbers.  Based solely on that, the outlook is skewed.  In business, you look at feedback from everybody, fix what you can, and go again and hope for more successful numbers the second time around.  If, in context with the question as presented, I got these kind of numbers, I'd have been encouraged, not discouraged.  Context is important, had he said endings, I would have skipped the post, more than likely.

Yes, context is.  I've tried to do a lot of anecdotal research on it because that's all you will ever get-as I said even sales figures won't tell everything.  Video games just are not viewed in the same context as are other products and I hope this will change.  As the video gamer ages (older players are getting into this and gamers themselves are aging), there may have to be an adjustment in the industry.   If buyers start to press the issue and try to return things, this might change the industry, but time is against us.  Soon they may very likely do away with all disk versions of games and they've already decided that you can't get your money back for downloaded games and DLC.  Look at trends and you see that consumers are being squeezed.  You need an online code for online play on consoles-so resale of disk games isn't great.  And everyone is getting in on selling used.  Best Buy near me had many copies of ME3 used for $18, I think it was.  And they had a label on it that said you might have to pay extra for online play.  They had the game new for $40 for some reason.  It's $20 new at Amazon.

The problem with those numbers is they are like the self-delusional "reviewers love us" mentality.  Viewing that as 70% that like it would mean they aren't understanding the numbers. 

I did also ask others that said the loved the endings, what they loved about them and I didn't actually feel the love from what they said.  So, I don't even know if those that love them, love them.  Some do, but whereas I could write about what I dislike, I don't think some can say what they like.

This was beautifully written.

[dreman9999]

Ghost1017 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's their story. They have the right to take it were they want to go as long as it makes sense. And bw went out of the way to fix everything in the ending for it to make sense...Everything with in option.

they didn't change the endings, all they did was add cutscenes that sound have already been in the game, the only change they did was retconning the Mass Relays and add in the refuse option

And retconning the Normandy explosion when it contacts the Crucible blast.

Boy was that nonsensical.

That was the nonsense that made me die inside...Why was joker even looking down the hallway in tha scene?

It's a film effect this is not the first game or movie that has done that.

It make no sense at all. That does not justify it being there. BW had the sense to take it out.

Modifié par dreman9999, 31 août 2012 - 12:31 .

[Baa Baa]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's their story. They have the right to take it were they want to go as long as it makes sense. And bw went out of the way to fix everything in the ending for it to make sense...Everything with in option.

they didn't change the endings, all they did was add cutscenes that sound have already been in the game, the only change they did was retconning the Mass Relays and add in the refuse option

And retconning the Normandy explosion when it contacts the Crucible blast.

Boy was that nonsensical.

That was the nonsense that made me die inside...Why was joker even looking down the hallway in tha scene?

It's a film effect this is not the first game or movie that has done that.

It make no sense at all. That does not justify it being there. BW hadthe sence to take it out.

It's still there in low EMS endings, they didn't fully remove it.

[drayfish]

dreman9999 wrote...

drayfish wrote...

But didn't you yourself say that you hated the original ending of the game, and then liked the ending after the Extended Cut (in which some glaring details were changed or expanded upon)?

Does this not contradict your hard-lined 'They should change nothing' position?

No. Read what I said...
They have a right to write the story as they like as long as it makes sense.

as they like as long as it makes sense.

The origianl ending made little to no sense. Having random stuff happing in the end is not justifiedbecause your the writer.
I'm now ok with the ec endign because they make sense. With the new dlc, the endings make more sense.

Okay.  Sorry, I didn't realise that you meant your definition of sense, to your satisfaction. 

Although I am surprised that when the writers ran the Extended Cut ending by you before publishing it you thought that the Normandy flying around in front of Harbinger's face for five minutes while everyone got evacuated was a good idea.