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[TheJiveDJ]

Topic title is funnier when delivered by Russel Peters!

Modifié par TheJiveDJ, 02 octobre 2012 - 01:32 .

[N7 Lisbeth]

3DandBeyond wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

I do wonder about the repercussions of this...

"Catalyst: The cycle will end. The reapers will cease their harvest, and the civilizations preserved in their forms will be connected to all of us. Synthesis is the final evolution of all life."

I almost feel like one needs a lawyer to parse through all of this. Connected? Connected to what extent?

99% of the crap the kid says is like someone twisting themselves into a pretzel to not say what they mean or know.

It's actually called media training and politicians go through it.  You never answer the questions asked.  You seize on the hot button words used and turn it to frame the question into something you want to answer.

TIL...

The unusual voice of the Catalyst are actually three separate voices. In the left speaker the Catalyst has the voice of a Jennifer Hale (Female Shepard), and in the right speaker you can hear the voice  of Mark Meer (Male Shepard). The child voice is played in both.

Does this confirm IT? Heh, no, but it does cause even more questions to arise which is the opposite of what they claimed to be aiming for with the conclusion to the series/trilogy. (They insisted they wouldn't end like LOST.)

I'm fine with accrediting the form of the Catalyst's child image as the first thing on Shepard's mind, and especially one that may reach out to her on some level based on the disguise. What I don't understand is why I'd hear myself in it, or the male version of Shepard which I'd never have known. That's a huge loose end, which they promised they wouldn't do.

Modifié par N7 Lisbeth, 02 octobre 2012 - 01:40 .

[Jacksor1]

Drew Karpyshyn wouldn't have let this happen. Sorry OP.

[3DandBeyond]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

I do wonder about the repercussions of this...

"Catalyst: The cycle will end. The reapers will cease their harvest, and the civilizations preserved in their forms will be connected to all of us. Synthesis is the final evolution of all life."

I almost feel like one needs a lawyer to parse through all of this. Connected? Connected to what extent?

99% of the crap the kid says is like someone twisting themselves into a pretzel to not say what they mean or know.

It's actually called media training and politicians go through it.  You never answer the questions asked.  You seize on the hot button words used and turn it to frame the question into something you want to answer.

TIL...

The unusual voice of the Catalyst are actually three separate voices. In the left speaker the Catalyst has the voice of a Jennifer Hale (Female Shepard), and in the right speaker you can hear the voice  of Mark Meer (Male Shepard). The child voice is played in both.

Does this confirm IT? Heh, no, but it does cause even more questions to arise which is the opposite of what they claimed to be aiming for with the conclusion to the series/trilogy. (They insisted they wouldn't end like LOST.)

I'm fine with accrediting the form of the Catalyst's child image as the first thing on Shepard's mind, and especially one that may reach out to her on some level based on the disguise. What I don't understand is why I'd hear myself in it, or the male version of Shepard which I'd never have known. That's a huge loose end, which they promised they wouldn't do.

I honestly wonder what happened to the little girl in the ME3 trailer.  I totally could have had that feeling of concern for her carried over into the beginning of ME3, because I was scared for her.  They actually had created an emotional bond there for me because you feel fear when the reaper shows up above her.  But the boy just came off as so badly written-the few words he says made no sense.  I'm not saying IT, but I am saying what kid says something like that?  A dying person says it.  And the voice at the end with the catalyst is either just making use of what they have-though they could have altered it without doing that, or it does mean something not explained. 

It might make more sense if the kid had been really androgenous looking.  You could then really believe he never did exist and was merely representing Shepard's fears and so kept showing up and then was in dreams and then became merely an illusion Shepard had created-that the kid was really Shepard.  But that could only work if the kid didn't look so masculine.  Though even that may be just my perception that the kid looks masculine.  Though for it to be Shepard seeing him/herself in the kid, you would have to have the kid's hair and eye color change, which they don't. 

[AresKeith]

I was just looking through the art book again, besides the Ashley concept drawings looking better than in-game Ashley lol

it looked like Bioware wanted to add more to the Earth mission

[3DandBeyond]

AresKeith wrote...

I was just looking through the art book again, besides the Ashley concept drawings looking better than in-game Ashley lol

it looked like Bioware wanted to add more to the Earth mission

Hmm, that's interesting.  Well, if you look at the trailer for it, it's way more exciting than anything you get. 

[MegaSovereign]

Jacksor1 wrote...

Drew Karpyshyn wouldn't have let this happen. Sorry OP.

You're right.

Drew would have given you the choice between sacrificing humanity and letting dark energy **** the galaxy over.

I'm not quite sure there would have been a happy ending here with or without good ol' Drew.

I still hope Drew Karpyshyn is back for the next ME trilogy though. I still consider him to be a great writer.

[Ozida]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Jacksor1 wrote...

Drew Karpyshyn wouldn't have let this happen. Sorry OP.

You're right.

Drew would have given you the choice between sacrificing humanity and letting dark energy **** the galaxy over.  I'm not quite sure there would have been a happy ending here with or without good ol' Drew.

Maybe not a happy one, buit a loggical one, that's for sure... I mean, the guy has invented the story, I am sure he could've make it work.

I still hope Drew Karpyshyn is back for the next ME trilogy though. I still consider him to be a great writer.

Afraid he won't. I think he is done with gaming industry (too bad, to be honest). And it was already stated that Hudson will be lead writer of new ME game.

[AresKeith]

Ozida wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Jacksor1 wrote...

Drew Karpyshyn wouldn't have let this happen. Sorry OP.

You're right.

Drew would have given you the choice between sacrificing humanity and letting dark energy **** the galaxy over.  I'm not quite sure there would have been a happy ending here with or without good ol' Drew.

Maybe not a happy one, buit a loggical one, that's for sure... I mean, the guy has invented the story, I am sure he could've make it work.

I still hope Drew Karpyshyn is back for the next ME trilogy though. I still consider him to be a great writer.

Afraid he won't. I think he is done with gaming industry (too bad, to be honest). And it was already stated that Hudson will be lead writer of new ME game.

thats because of the Narrative Director who watched over the lead writer(s) in ME1 and ME2

[MegaSovereign]

Ozida wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Jacksor1 wrote...

Drew Karpyshyn wouldn't have let this happen. Sorry OP.

You're right.

Drew would have given you the choice between sacrificing humanity and letting dark energy **** the galaxy over.  I'm not quite sure there would have been a happy ending here with or without good ol' Drew.

Maybe not a happy one, buit a loggical one, that's for sure... I mean, the guy has invented the story, I am sure he could've make it work.

I still hope Drew Karpyshyn is back for the next ME trilogy though. I still consider him to be a great writer.

Afraid he won't. I think he is done with gaming industry (too bad, to be honest). And it was already stated that Hudson will be lead writer of new ME game.

I don't think Hudson is the lead writer. For all the ME games Hudson has been the Project Director.

[Pain87]

I hope Patrick Weekes become Lead Writer...

[dreman9999]

Ozida wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Jacksor1 wrote...

Drew Karpyshyn wouldn't have let this happen. Sorry OP.

You're right.

Drew would have given you the choice between sacrificing humanity and letting dark energy **** the galaxy over.  I'm not quite sure there would have been a happy ending here with or without good ol' Drew.

Maybe not a happy one, buit a loggical one, that's for sure... I mean, the guy has invented the story, I am sure he could've make it work.

I still hope Drew Karpyshyn is back for the next ME trilogy though. I still consider him to be a great writer.

Afraid he won't. I think he is done with gaming industry (too bad, to be honest). And it was already stated that Hudson will be lead writer of new ME game.

The entire concept of the ending is based around understanding the catalyst.

There's nothing illogical about it.

[AresKeith]

@MegaSovereign for your Idea, it'd be cool if the player could play as another Spectre

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreman9999 wrote...

The entire concept of the ending is based around understanding the catalyst.

There's nothing illogical about it.

I swear I've heard this argument before...possibly in this very thread...don't recall it catching on.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 02 octobre 2012 - 03:18 .

[dreman9999]

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The entire concept of the ending is based around understanding the catalyst.

There's nothing illogical about it.

I swear I've heard this argument before...possibly in this very thread...don't recall it catching on.

That's becase this is a blind hater topic.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The entire concept of the ending is based around understanding the catalyst.

There's nothing illogical about it.

I swear I've heard this argument before...possibly in this very thread...don't recall it catching on.

That's becase this is a blind hater topic.

*sigh* /facepalm

that's all have to say

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreman9999 wrote...
That's becase this is a blind hater topic.

"Please let us enjoy our favorite game series again by adding optional DLC" = blind hate thread. Well someone certainly has blinders on.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 02 octobre 2012 - 03:39 .

[3DandBeyond]

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The entire concept of the ending is based around understanding the catalyst.

There's nothing illogical about it.

I swear I've heard this argument before...possibly in this very thread...don't recall it catching on.

You can only understand such things on opposite day.

[hiraeth]

 my take on the catalyst dialogue

[GreyLycanTrope]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

 my take on the catalyst dialogue

"Your organicness will be broken down and then spread out into the galaxy through space magic" naturally

[3DandBeyond]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

 my take on the catalyst dialogue

"Your organicness will be broken down and then spread out into the galaxy through space magic" naturally

the sheer bizareness of the mechanics behind all three choices is astounding.

Well, if you think about it and dear god I've doneso more than I ever cared to, the choices are the antithesis of everything a paragon did in the game.  For one thing, a paragon asks many questions, until completely satisfied that a choice will be the right one-a preponderance of the evidence.  However, Shepard accepts the weakest explanations for these choices and the fate of the galaxy depends on it.  I thing a paragon Shepard would want to know more about what's for lunch than what these choices mean. 

And then if ol' paragon does any of these they just go against everything s/he believed in.  Some people say that's not so for their Shepard and I say, "then you ignored the dialogue choices you were making that gave you paragon points".  And I'm not convinced a renegade would want to choose them either, because a renegade would want to know more about what would happen to him/her and why s/he would want to choose such a thing.

[TreguardD]

Chris Priestly wrote...

futurepixels wrote...
How can you say that leaving the fate of your hero "up to the individual" is not open-ended and ambigious?

If he lives, he is alive and if he dies he is not. There are 2 interpretations of that breath. Either it is Shepard's first breath after recovering, or it is Shepard's last breath before dying.

Chris, take a step back. Look at this from the prospective of narrative.

You are taking the role of the protagonist and RIPPING it away from the player. You have to understand how angry that makes people.

We are not creating a decision. We are not approaching a situation and seeing our choices.

We are reaching a situation and being told "Here are your options." And all of them stink.

The only situation in which Shepard sounds like herself, AT ALL, is the one which you give a big middle finger to your player base by giving a "You Failed" message.

The One Ring, Instrumentally, Gencoide, and Failure. Those are your options.

FIX IT!

Saying that you are done with the endings is a bug, not a feature. Swallow your pride, and make it right.

Modifié par TreguardD, 02 octobre 2012 - 05:05 .

[MegaSovereign]

^^Chris Priestly is the community manager. He doesn't make creative design decisions. Trying to emotionally manipulate him by making him feel guilt so that he could change the ending(s) won't get you far.

AresKeith wrote...

@MegaSovereign for your Idea, it'd be cool if the player could play as another Spectre

N7 specialist Spectre.

It shouldn't be a predefined character since the DLC would still have to let people pick dialogue choices.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 02 octobre 2012 - 05:19 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

TreguardD wrote...

Chris, take a step back. Look at this from the prospective of narrative.

You are taking the role of the protagonist and RIPPING it away from the player. You have to understand how angry that makes people.

We are not creating a decision. We are not approaching a situation and seeing our choices.

We are reaching a situation and being told "Here are your options." And all of them stink.

The only situation in which Shepard sounds like herself, AT ALL, is the one which you give a big middle finger to your player base by giving a "You Failed" message.

The One Ring, Instrumentally, Gencoide, and Failure. Those are your options.

FIX IT!

Saying that you are done with the endings is a bug, not a feature. Swallow your pride, and make it right.

I'm sorry, you just have to ask yourself.... "What would Brian Boitano do?"

Yes, I agree. All the choices stink. Unfortunately they're not going to change them. We're stuck. In a pile of garbage. Forever.

So I'm writing my own ending just so I can have a satisfactory conclusion to the story.

[daigakuinsei]

Chris Priestly wrote...

futurepixels wrote...
How can you say that leaving the fate of your hero "up to the individual" is not open-ended and ambigious?

If he lives, he is alive and if he dies he is not. There are 2 interpretations of that breath. Either it is Shepard's first breath after recovering, or it is Shepard's last breath before dying.

This contradicts your prior statement that in "most" endings, Shep dies.  Most implies there is something else.

The only way I can reconcile your statements logically is that you have interpreted the breath to be Shep's "first breath after recovering."