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[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Nicw way to warp it. That still is capitalism winning. If peopel still buy, that means peoplr still want your product. What your really concerned is getting what you want. Your nervous capitalism may not sway your direction.

Ok enough.  Dreman, I am asking you nicely to stop with the regurgitation of what others say as if you believe it.  You have said there are things you don't like about the endings and here you've called me selfish, when I was not, you are simply mimicking what others say just to say something.  You are not making any sense.

How does what I just said not make sense?

because half of the things you say has nothing to do the conversation

[MegaSovereign]

Adding something to my "story":

It was because I moved on that I discovered my love for new hobbies and games. One of those games being Mass Effect, which IMO is 10X better than Gears of War.

So if the endings bother you, moving on isn't necessarily a bad thing. You might find something that you like much better.

[AresKeith]

MegaSovereign wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's their story. They have the right to take it were they want to go as long as it makes sense. And bw went out of the way to fix everything in the ending for it to make sense...Everything with in option.

they didn't change the endings, all they did was add cutscenes that sound have already been in the game, the only change they did was retconning the Mass Relays and add in the refuse option

And retconning the Normandy explosion when it contacts the Crucible blast.

Boy was that nonsensical.

yea that was stupid

[Moirai]

Gulaman wrote...

Dear Bioware,

Please give me my dream ending. This means you will have to ignore your own writers, and indeed what other ME fans would prefer as their dream ending. Just give me what I want otherwise I will hate the Mass Effect games and Bioware forever (even though up until the last 15 minutes of the final game, I loved every minute of this product you created).

Sincerely,
Entirely selfish, me, me, me, me, me former Bioware fan

One of life's little lessons one learns is that, if you don't ask you don't get. True, there's no guarantee of getting, even if you do ask. But you have nothing to lose by doing so, and potentially everything to gain.

Conversely, one can just sit back in a state of lethargic apathy and just accept whatever is handed out to them, like a good little customer.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not suggesting that the latter comment applies to you. Just that it's not the ideal standpoint to have in a business/customer relationship.

Too many consumers in general these days just accept whatever they are given, and meekly go on their way, and companies like that. But complaining has potential benefits. Case in point; we wouldn't have even got the EC without customer complaints and requests...

[Ghost]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

It's their story. They have the right to take it were they want to go as long as it makes sense. And bw went out of the way to fix everything in the ending for it to make sense...Everything with in option.

they didn't change the endings, all they did was add cutscenes that sound have already been in the game, the only change they did was retconning the Mass Relays and add in the refuse option

And retconning the Normandy explosion when it contacts the Crucible blast.

Boy was that nonsensical.

That was the nonsense that made me die inside...Why was joker even looking down the hallway in tha scene?

It's a film effect this is not the first game or movie that has done that.

It make no sense at all. That does not justify it being there. BW hadthe sence to take it out.

I guess you are not familiar with it then.

[Baa Baa]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding something to my "story":

It was because I moved on that I discovered my love for new hobbies and games. One of those games being Mass Effect, which IMO is 10X better than Gears of War.

So if the endings bother you, moving on isn't necessarily a bad thing. You might find something that you like much better.

Witcher 2
Deus Ex HR

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

The other party being BW. They have a right to write the story as they like as long asit makes sense.
The op has the right to say they don't like the endings, but none to have it changed again to the way they want it. We don't choose the choices that are in the game.

Using your logic the story doesn't have to make sense at all-oh hey say hello to the ME3 endings.  But seriously, if BW creates DLC for ME3 tomorrow that features a bunch of clowns juggling and they call it Retake Omega and all you evern see are clowns juggling, then using your logic it's their complete right to do so. 

So, I do have the right to say I don't like the endings, but I don't have the right to say how I'd like to see them changed?  Ok, apparently you have no idea how this whole discussion thing works.  It means it isn't constructive for me to just say "I hate the endings" because that tells BW nothing.  I actually told them what any good company would ask me in feedback. 

They would ask these questions:
What did you like?
What didn't you like?
What would you change?
How would you change it?

And you didn't hear the EA podcast where Jessica Merizan and Chris Priestly said they needed people to explain why they don't like something and what they'd like instead.

[Ghost]

Baa Baa wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding something to my "story":

It was because I moved on that I discovered my love for new hobbies and games. One of those games being Mass Effect, which IMO is 10X better than Gears of War.

So if the endings bother you, moving on isn't necessarily a bad thing. You might find something that you like much better.

Witcher 2
Deus Ex HR

Witcher 2 is ok imo.

[MegaSovereign]

Baa Baa wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding something to my "story":

It was because I moved on that I discovered my love for new hobbies and games. One of those games being Mass Effect, which IMO is 10X better than Gears of War.

So if the endings bother you, moving on isn't necessarily a bad thing. You might find something that you like much better.

Witcher 2
Deus Ex HR

Halo ****ing 4.

EDIT:

Not an RPG but it will be a kickass sci-fi game.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 31 août 2012 - 12:25 .

[Somejoe01]

@OP qft.

[Baa Baa]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding something to my "story":

It was because I moved on that I discovered my love for new hobbies and games. One of those games being Mass Effect, which IMO is 10X better than Gears of War.

So if the endings bother you, moving on isn't necessarily a bad thing. You might find something that you like much better.

Witcher 2
Deus Ex HR

Halo ****ing 4.

EDIT:

Not an RPG but it will be a kickass sci-fi game.

I was surprised at how good that game looks. I wasn't expecting a ton from it after it was announced (mainly because I expected the story to be milked) but I like the direction it's being taken to; brand new enemies, new mysteries, more drama (Cortana going crazy), more unveiling of Chief's background, making him a more rounded character. I love that stuff.

[drayfish]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding something to my "story":

It was because I moved on that I discovered my love for new hobbies and games. One of those games being Mass Effect, which IMO is 10X better than Gears of War.

So if the endings bother you, moving on isn't necessarily a bad thing. You might find something that you like much better.

There is a beautiful and sad truth to what you say here, MegaSovereign, and elegantly stated.

Personally, I had thought that the Mass Effect universe was saying something truly life affirming about inclusivity and respect for diversity.  It was a powerful and moving message.  It has been sad to discover through the endings that this was probably not their intention at all, that in the end a big unsolvable moral hypothetical was more important than affirming that message of intellectual and biological biodiversity.

It's a shame, because I truly do (did?) love this text, but you are right: in the long term moving on might well be the healthier option than just waiting around trying to get Bioware to clarify that this nihilistic endpoint was not what they meant. 

[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding something to my "story":

It was because I moved on that I discovered my love for new hobbies and games. One of those games being Mass Effect, which IMO is 10X better than Gears of War.

So if the endings bother you, moving on isn't necessarily a bad thing. You might find something that you like much better.

Well, thing is I can multitask.  Amidst complaining, I play kinect games, I'm brushing up on writing and working on a couple books, I've gone to visit relatives, went to the casino for a day, been swimming, played some Skyrim and Halo Reach, and Fable 3, started reading "Fleet of Worlds" and so on.  That doesn't mean I don't still have a wish for this because obviously I do.

[JSwisha]

Brilliant post, OP. The Mass Effect series and its fans deserve better than the horrible endings that we got. Hell, even Bioware deserves better than the mess that they created.

Just fix it for all of our sakes.

[Baa Baa]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding something to my "story":

It was because I moved on that I discovered my love for new hobbies and games. One of those games being Mass Effect, which IMO is 10X better than Gears of War.

So if the endings bother you, moving on isn't necessarily a bad thing. You might find something that you like much better.

Witcher 2
Deus Ex HR

Witcher 2 is ok imo.

I can understand why someone would think it's average. It's definitly not a game for everyone, I loved it because I thought it was really challenging throughout and I enjoyed the decisions, characters, and story.

[Xellith]

ME3 ending does promote diversity. You play it once and then you just want to go do other things and/or play other games immediately and never look back...

Modifié par Xellith, 31 août 2012 - 12:31 .

[EnvyTB075]

Baa Baa wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding something to my "story":

It was because I moved on that I discovered my love for new hobbies and games. One of those games being Mass Effect, which IMO is 10X better than Gears of War.

So if the endings bother you, moving on isn't necessarily a bad thing. You might find something that you like much better.

Witcher 2
Deus Ex HR

Halo ****ing 4.

EDIT:

Not an RPG but it will be a kickass sci-fi game.

I was surprised at how good that game looks. I wasn't expecting a ton from it after it was announced (mainly because I expected the story to be milked) but I like the direction it's being taken to; brand new enemies, new mysteries, more drama (Cortana going crazy), more unveiling of Chief's background, making him a more rounded character. I love that stuff.

Can't come out soon enough.

[Ghost]

Baa Baa wrote...

Ghost1017 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding something to my "story":

It was because I moved on that I discovered my love for new hobbies and games. One of those games being Mass Effect, which IMO is 10X better than Gears of War.

So if the endings bother you, moving on isn't necessarily a bad thing. You might find something that you like much better.

Witcher 2
Deus Ex HR

Witcher 2 is ok imo.

I can understand why someone would think it's average. It's definitly not a game for everyone, I loved it because I thought it was really challenging throughout and I enjoyed the decisions, characters, and story.

I don't think its average I actually like it A LOT. When I mean ok I mean its a great game and even better that they are releasing the redkit but there were things I didn't like in it.

[devSin]

I wish I could believe that your plea would not fall on deaf ears.

I wish I could, but I don't.

[dreman9999]

drayfish wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

drayfish wrote...

But didn't you yourself say that you hated the original ending of the game, and then liked the ending after the Extended Cut (in which some glaring details were changed or expanded upon)?

Does this not contradict your hard-lined 'They should change nothing' position?

No. Read what I said...
They have a right to write the story as they like as long as it makes sense.

as they like as long as it makes sense.

The origianl ending made little to no sense. Having random stuff happing in the end is not justifiedbecause your the writer.
I'm now ok with the ec endign because they make sense. With the new dlc, the endings make more sense.

Okay.  Sorry, I didn't realise that you meant your definition of sense, to your satisfaction. 

Although I am surprised that when the writers ran the Extended Cut ending by you before publishing it you thought that the Normandy flying around in front of Harbinger's face for five minutes while everyone got evacuated was a good idea.

My defination in sense? We just got a dlc the literaly made clearof what is going on in the endings. It's not my defination. It what is stated in the game.

Add, it should be claer that harbinger doesn't want to kill Shepard. Blwoing up the normandy while Shepard is right next to it would do that.

[Kel Riever]

The endings are not good. If you eliminate the endings that currently exist, however, you go and invalidate a whole lot of people. Personally, I do not care that they get invalidated, as I consider that they have their heads stuck straight up their *sses, however, the SMART move would be to, as asked for by not an insignificant number of people, provide a real victory option.

You are as dumb to only enjoy unhappy endings as a person who only enjoy happy endings. The point, of course, is to simply make the ending choices GOOD and enjoyable, regardless of whether they are happy or not so much. The endings that exists are clearly garbage, even when compared to other quality not so happy works in movies and literature (even though this is an rpg with choices here, but lets just set that aside for a moment.

Until what matters gets fixed, you can release all the DLC, and put all the lipstick on the pig you want...you will not achieve the success that came with the release of ME3. So if your goal is to have 'artistic integrity' mean that you suck more than you did before on purpose, then you go live up to that pathetic goal. If you have any actual worth, you fix your obvious and well known mistake instead of some nonsense 'stick to your guns' routine that some idiot teacher told you about in third grace concerning a game of kickball.

[Kreid]

I understand where you're coming from OP, but what you're asking for is a extremely clichéd happy ending, the endings are certainly not perfect but I doubt that's the way to go.

Modifié par Creid-X, 31 août 2012 - 12:47 .

[Moirai]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

Adding something to my "story":

It was because I moved on that I discovered my love for new hobbies and games. One of those games being Mass Effect, which IMO is 10X better than Gears of War.

So if the endings bother you, moving on isn't necessarily a bad thing. You might find something that you like much better.

Witcher 2
Deus Ex HR

Halo ****ing 4.

EDIT:

Not an RPG but it will be a kickass sci-fi game.

Agreed.

I'll also throw in Aliens: Colonial Marines, which I have high hopes for.

/subthread

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

Add, it should be claer that harbinger doesn't want to kill Shepard. Blwoing up the normandy while Shepard is right next to it would do that.

and why is that?