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[Iakus]

jakal66 wrote...

May I add that my complaint is mainly due to the decision of not showing sheppard's true fate after high EMS Destroy scene.Other than that i am "ok" with the EC.But when they promised closure the first thing that came on my mind was " surely they'll expand on that"...
Boy was I wrong....

The worst part is it would be so easy to just insert a tiny bit to confirm Shepard's status: the voice of a rescue team finding SHepard, a message to the Normandy.  All it takes to remove doubt...

[Ozida]

What people seem to forget is that Shepard's "breath-scene" was nothing but an Easter egg. BioWare never had any plans to let the hero live. They threw it there for now reason. And that's the worst part. That scene in not in the game because it is suppose to mean something, not because it was part of the writing, but just... well, because. They wanted to do some trolling with fans (like the whole ending wasn't enough!) and they did. That is why there were not expansions on this scene – according to BW, Shepard is dead no matter what. And Chris’ post only proves that kind of thinking. Which stinks, if you ask me.

[Lunch Box1912]

iakus wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

May I add that my complaint is mainly due to the decision of not showing sheppard's true fate after high EMS Destroy scene.Other than that i am "ok" with the EC.But when they promised closure the first thing that came on my mind was " surely they'll expand on that"...
Boy was I wrong....

The worst part is it would be so easy to just insert a tiny bit to confirm Shepard's status: the voice of a rescue team finding SHepard, a message to the Normandy.  All it takes to remove doubt...

To give you that feeling you get in the end of ME1 when Anderson asks where is Shepard in which Garrus gives him the I don't think he made it look and then bam! there is Shepard alive and well climbing up over debris.


Those who played the ME1 six years ago… For a hole split second we thought Shepard was going to be killed off in the first game and then he wasn’t. Then we turned on ME2 and were like WTF?

Modifié par Lunch Box1912, 03 octobre 2012 - 10:10 .

[jakal66]

Lunch Box1912 wrote...

iakus wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

May I add that my complaint is mainly due to the decision of not showing sheppard's true fate after high EMS Destroy scene.Other than that i am "ok" with the EC.But when they promised closure the first thing that came on my mind was " surely they'll expand on that"...
Boy was I wrong....

The worst part is it would be so easy to just insert a tiny bit to confirm Shepard's status: the voice of a rescue team finding SHepard, a message to the Normandy.  All it takes to remove doubt...

To give you that feeling you get in the end of ME1 when Anderson asks where is Shepard in which Garrus gives him the I don't think he made it look and then bam! there is Shepard alive and well climbing up over debris.

ME 1's ending was waht we should have gotten instead of that crappy scene in me3

Modifié par jakal66, 03 octobre 2012 - 10:07 .

[Lunch Box1912]

jakal66 wrote...

Lunch Box1912 wrote...

iakus wrote...

jakal66 wrote...

May I add that my complaint is mainly due to the decision of not showing sheppard's true fate after high EMS Destroy scene.Other than that i am "ok" with the EC.But when they promised closure the first thing that came on my mind was " surely they'll expand on that"...
Boy was I wrong....

The worst part is it would be so easy to just insert a tiny bit to confirm Shepard's status: the voice of a rescue team finding SHepard, a message to the Normandy.  All it takes to remove doubt...

To give you that feeling you get in the end of ME1 when Anderson asks where is Shepard in which Garrus gives him the I don't think he made it look and then bam! there is Shepard alive and well climbing up over debris.

ME 1's ending was waht we should have gotten instead of that crappy scene in me3

Those who played the ME1 six years ago… For a hole split second we thought Shepard was going to be killed off in the first game and then he wasn’t. Then we turned on ME2 and were like WTF?

[Chardonney]

jakal66 wrote...

Lunch Box1912 wrote...


To give you that feeling you get in the end of ME1 when Anderson asks where is Shepard in which Garrus gives him the I don't think he made it look and then bam! there is Shepard alive and well climbing up over debris.

ME 1's ending was waht we should have gotten instead of that crappy scene in me3

Fully agreed.

[N7 Lisbeth]

My favourite, as has happened several times in this thread, is when people compare Mass Effect to LOTR. This is a realistic comparison:

[vallore]

Chris Priestly wrote...

futurepixels wrote...
How can you say that leaving the fate of your hero "up to the individual" is not open-ended and ambigious?

If he lives, he is alive and if he dies he is not. There are 2 interpretations of that breath. Either it is Shepard's first breath after recovering, or it is Shepard's last breath before dying.

The ending allows us to unambiguously conclude that Shepard may live… or probably die… or that it may not be Shepard at all, as the only thing we actually see is a torso, and therefore we know nothing for certain of Shepard’s fate…

The only unambiguous thing about this ending is that it was meant to be ambiguous. And that it does not provide either clarity or closure, unlike what was promised, I believe.

Now, it would have been easy to provide more clarity and closure.

Don’t want to redo the torso scene?

Allow it to fade to black, and return a second later with a few seconds mini-scene of Shepard being rescued, or awakening in a hospital bed, or a “several months later” mini-scene, (with an ailing Shepard near the memorial wall of the Normandy, her LI/best friend, by her side), or any other possible such scene.

It wouldn’t even be necessary to include words… but how much more clarity and closure would be gained with such a simple scene, of just a few seconds?

How many players such a simple scene would have gained back for ME, I wonder?

NOTE: Edited for clarity, (the irony)

Modifié par vallore, 04 octobre 2012 - 12:00 .

[Pain87]

Hehe or this:)

[M.C.Tales]

Mikk016 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

That explanation has always irked me. Using "artistic integrity" as a crutch to defend poor storytelling is weak argumentation.

Me too. "Artistic integrity" is the worst explanation, justification, answer or whatever the hell it actually means, to anything. I lost my faith in ME and the company when they don't even have the cojones to just say: "hey, we made a mistake."

The invocation of "artistic integrity/vision" also falls flat when the ending plagiarizes the ending of another work (in ME 3's case, it's ripping off the ending to the first Deus Ex game).

[BearlyHere]

They could have added a simple "Wake up, Shepard" voice over to the Easter egg, implying that someone was rescuing him/her, but didn't. So why is that? Do they have that little respect for their players, who pay their salaries? Or is it as someone had said, thoughtless at best and sadistic at worst. Or is it that Shep dies because the brilliant writers who brought us the ten minutes in the lowest circle of the hells already decided that Synthesis is going to be canon for 4?

Could they really be that clueless? Or is this career suicide? If sales of the DLCs tank, and there's an underwhelming response from PS3 and Wi players, pink slips will follow.

[Iakus]

BearlyHere wrote...

They could have added a simple "Wake up, Shepard" voice over to the Easter egg, implying that someone was rescuing him/her, but didn't. So why is that? Do they have that little respect for their players, who pay their salaries? Or is it as someone had said, thoughtless at best and sadistic at worst. Or is it that Shep dies because the brilliant writers who brought us the ten minutes in the lowest circle of the hells already decided that Synthesis is going to be canon for 4?

Could they really be that clueless? Or is this career suicide? If sales of the DLCs tank, and there's an underwhelming response from PS3 and Wi players, pink slips will follow.

As we look through the Citadel's destruction...

::sound of rubble being shifted , grunts as something heavy is moved::  "No signs of any survivors Admiral.  Just the two bodies so far."

::We pan up the armored form of an N7 figure lying in rubble::

"It's Commander Shepard! "  ::Shep gasps::  He/She's alive, get a medic!"

alternatively:

::memorial scene, as they hestitate to put Shepard's name on the wall::  "Fifth Fleet to Normandy, we found Commander Shepard.  He/she is alive!"  ::LI looks up and smiles::

cut to Normandy lifting off

[Xilizhra]

Honestly, this would have gone so much more smoothly if Control and/or Synthesis had been given better foreshadowing and sympathetic characters throughout ME3.

[vallore]

wantedman dan wrote...



Ambiguity is the antithesis of closure. What we have here is a fundamental failure on multiple levels of the Bioware heirarchy. The very fact they don't acknowledge it is a failure in and of itself. 

When game publishers focus more on the elite journalists and their reviews over what the fans want, we have a problem. Bioware is the exact epitome of this problem. The fact is, we're almost a year removed from the initial drop of Mass Effect 3. Would it be practical, or even possible, to salvage what's left? I don't think so. 

It could be done.

I suspect that a game expansion or a particularly long DLC, (proportionally more expensive), could be successful.

Imagine an expansion/DLC were we see the Shepard’s companions adventurous return to earth, with the bonus of finally finding what happened to their famous commander upon their return, (and having a brief reunion, if she was still alive):

“Follow the crew of the Normandy in their last, epic, journey.Play as Liara, or Garrus, in an electrifying adventure, as the Normandy traverses the dangerous Hades nebula in their way back to Earth. Learn how they discover Shepard’s fate. Battle the mysterious and vicious <insert cool & alien name> and uncover their terrible secret. “

[BearlyHere]

iakus wrote...

As we look through the Citadel's destruction...

::sound of rubble being shifted , grunts as something heavy is moved::  "No signs of any survivors Admiral.  Just the two bodies so far."

::We pan up the armored form of an N7 figure lying in rubble::

"It's Commander Shepard! "  ::Shep gasps::  He/She's alive, get a medic!"

alternatively:

::memorial scene, as they hestitate to put Shepard's name on the wall::  "Fifth Fleet to Normandy, we found Commander Shepard.  He/she is alive!"  ::LI looks up and smiles::

cut to Normandy lifting off

See how easy that was? I'm willing to bet that many of us would be satisfied with even that much, but no. Why, Bioware? You give us the bitter and none of the sweet. You know how many times I've seen/heard people say that the ending, even with the EC, left a bad taste in their mouths? Did you really want this to be Shepard's legacy? Do you really want this to be Bioware's legacy?

[Xilizhra]

Problematic: this only helps the genocide ending and leaves nothing for other ones. Though I could accept it if Shepard was resurrected in the other two.

[Xellith]

Giving the Red option a guranteed chance of survival (after meeting certain conditions in game such as specific major plot choices, EMS would have no effect) should be done.

You cant sacrifice your life for a cause should you not have an option to not sacrifice yourself.

The ambiguity of "oh he is alive and dead at the same time a'la schrodingers shepard" does not fly with me.

Modifié par Xellith, 03 octobre 2012 - 11:48 .

[Iakus]

Xilizhra wrote...

Problematic: this only helps the genocide ending and leaves nothing for other ones. Though I could accept it if Shepard was resurrected in the other two.

I honestly think Shepard should have been able to survive in all High EMS endings, regardless of color.

I can imagine a scene similar to the breath could happen in Control, though they'd have to tone down the who "see SHepard's body charring to a cinder" scene.

Synthesis is so whacked I don't know what could be done with it.

But as it is, we have to work with what's given us.  And that means Destroy.

[HiddenInWar]

Xellith wrote...

Giving the Red option a guranteed chance of survival (after meeting certain conditions in game such as specific major plot choices, EMS would have no effect) should be done.

You cant sacrifice your life for a cause should you not have an option to not sacrifice yourself.

The ambiguity of "oh he is alive and dead at the same time a'la schrodingers shepard" does not fly with me.

I cant help but feel when it comes to "alive breathing or death breathing", that's been in a movie somewhere. 

[hiraeth]

https://twitter.com/...646722563485696

did anyone ever see this tweet? do you guys buy it?

[HiddenInWar]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

https://twitter.com/...646722563485696

did anyone ever see this tweet? do you guys buy it?

With a new ME game coming, I just dont know anymore. 

[MegaSovereign]

HiddenInWar wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

https://twitter.com/...646722563485696

did anyone ever see this tweet? do you guys buy it?

With a new ME game coming, I just dont know anymore. 

What does a new ME game have to do with ME3 DLC?

[Killdren88]

I keep trying to get over it. But I keep finding myself back here. Is it normal that you enjoy a story so much, and something like this happens and you feel nothing, but sadness?

[CaIIisto]

Well I'm choosing to look on the bright side.

If this is true then it saves me £40 when ME4 rolls out. Yippee.

[HiddenInWar]

MegaSovereign wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

MassEffectFShep wrote...

https://twitter.com/...646722563485696

did anyone ever see this tweet? do you guys buy it?

With a new ME game coming, I just dont know anymore. 

What does a new ME game have to do with ME3 DLC?

Oh dammit, I forgot about the DLC part. Sorry, my heads been fuzzy latley.