Problematic: this only helps the genocide ending and leaves nothing for other ones. Though I could accept it if Shepard was resurrected in the other two.
I had an idea that DLC could do just that. The crucible is only largely intact-what the kid says means is it's not intact. If it was, why couldn't it be possible for each choice to have a better version?
I also had another thought that perhaps the crucible was only really ever meant to target reapers, so that control worked for that purpose but since the crucible was intact it didn't require Shepard be uploaded. Synthesis would be for the reapers only so that they are finally merged with the sentient organic minds within them (was originally just supposed to be their creators) and would not alter all life, just reapers-it would not require Shepard's essence to do this. And destroy would only target reapers as well.
Oh, and as a sidenote, I know I'm just as guilty, but all of us must try and refrain from too much Bioware and individual people bashing-please. This isn't directed at the quoted poster, but I've done it myself and we need to pull back and not insult so much. Opinions are fine, but we need to try and be less volatile.
Q: How closely do you keep track of the fan reaction when it comes to that kind of stuff?
A: Oh, we pay very close attention to it. It’s very important to us and we will always listen to feedback, interpret it and try and do the right thing by our fans.
*click* Aw, looks like we lost the connection, Joker.
did anyone ever see this tweet? do you guys buy it?
With a new ME game coming, I just dont know anymore.
What does a new ME game have to do with ME3 DLC?
I don't think it should. I think there's so much that could be explored as far as DLC goes and I think had the game really and truly ended well for most players (incorporating a range of desires that could and should have been anticipated) they could have done a lot of DLC.
I think this because there is a game out there now that will have been out for almost a year that has a loyal following that begged the devs for DLC and it's now due to be released. They listened to fans. I've mentioned them before-From Software. They even made some mistakes and apologized to fans and fans love them.
You reap what you sow. Create a loyal fanbase and be loyal to it. And be real. Or risk losing that fanbase. I think there are enough stories in the codex that they could really have created a lot of DLC, including aftermath content. In fact, they could have created aftermath content that would have been a great segue to a further in the future ME4.
With a new ME game coming, I just dont know anymore.
What does a new ME game have to do with ME3 DLC?
I would say there is another good six month window for an opportunity to redeem themselves. After that, my hope is with Shepard lying in that rubble and I am skeptical of ME4.
Problematic: this only helps the genocide ending and leaves nothing for other ones. Though I could accept it if Shepard was resurrected in the other two.
Hey do you know what is also problematic?? THE ENTIRE ENDING.
If we could just remove that everyones problems are solved!
Modifié par Lunch Box1912, 04 octobre 2012 - 03:53 .
With a new ME game coming, I just dont know anymore.
What does a new ME game have to do with ME3 DLC?
I would say there is another good six month window for an opportunity to redeem themselves. After that, my hope is with Shepard lying in that rubble and I am skeptical of ME4.
It's sounding more and more like they don't see any reason to or need of redeeming themselves.
futurepixels wrote... How can you say that leaving the fate of your hero "up to the individual" is not open-ended and ambigious?
If he lives, he is alive and if he dies he is not. There are 2 interpretations of that breath. Either it is Shepard's first breath after recovering, or it is Shepard's last breath before dying.
This book says Shepard survives.
So either i spend my money to lies or is it you that's lying(brushing of ME fans)?
With a new ME game coming, I just dont know anymore.
What does a new ME game have to do with ME3 DLC?
I would say there is another good six month window for an opportunity to redeem themselves. After that, my hope is with Shepard lying in that rubble and I am skeptical of ME4.
It's sounding more and more like they don't see any reason to or need of redeeming themselves.
Yes, it does appear so through their quotes and diction. But hell, I have witnessed astounding surprises out of situations similar to this one
Perhaps we need to start a thread about what we don't want to see in ME4? I have some ideas about what I want to see in in the game but perhaps I need to post those in a thread that I don't want to see these things in the game so they'll put them in the game if you know what I mean.
Damn if I didn't hate cold weather so much and wasn't so damned old I'd actually contemplate submitting a resume. Thing is I speak my mind too much and that isn't welcome in the corporate world these days. I really want to see a ME4 succeed and be really good and different.
yeah well i read an interview with casey and he said in no certin terms that this is a good thing because we are still talkin about it so in other words it seems that they really dont care bout the fans anymore
Yup, it's why he hasn't been on, spam and swearing one time too many apparently, which is strange since I'm fairly sure I tend to curse more often. He's on Hold the Line though.
yeah well i read an interview with casey and he said in no certin terms that this is a good thing because we are still talkin about it so in other words it seems that they really dont care bout the fans anymore
yeah well i read an interview with casey and he said in no certin terms that this is a good thing because we are still talkin about it so in other words it seems that they really dont care bout the fans anymore
What a steaming pile. They expect us to lap it up.
That was posted in the middle of march though, just shy of **** hitting the fan a few days later.
And? What's your point? No, really. Tell me your point. Do you think the ending isn't intentionally bad because EC somehow changed something? It changed nothing. Nothing. The endings, including the EC endings, are bad on purpose. The quote as to why is in that article.
I don't bother reading their tweets anymore since they seemed to ellude to something much bigger then when the EC came out they became very "final" with their replies (eg. What you see is what you get).
They know what the community wants, that's not us saying that we'll throw our toys out of the pram but an observation that the way Shepard is treated (especially in destroy) was lackluster. I mean what was the point of having Shepard's "breathe" (the one that needs the HIGHEST EMS) when they troll us and say that it could also be their last gasp for air.
People that die take a longer final breathe as opposed to the one that Shepard takes which is a sharp "wake up from a bad dream" breathe. I'm not going to post someone's dying breathe on here for obvious reasons but suffice to say that was not a dying breathe from Shepard.
Them being ambiguous about his/hers fate was the worst part in all of this.
Modifié par Lakeshow1986, 04 octobre 2012 - 08:11 .
yeah well i read an interview with casey and he said in no certin terms that this is a good thing because we are still talkin about it so in other words it seems that they really dont care bout the fans anymore
What a steaming pile. They expect us to lap it up.
That was posted in the middle of march though, just shy of **** hitting the fan a few days later.
And? What's your point? No, really. Tell me your point. Do you think the ending isn't intentionally bad because EC somehow changed something? It changed nothing. Nothing. The endings, including the EC endings, are bad on purpose. The quote as to why is in that article.
Point is it can't be the same article he's referring to because "A good thing because we're still talking about it" doesn't really apply to an article that came out a few days before the real backlash started.
As for the EC being intentionally bad. I wouldn't go that far. Someone SOMEWHERE believes in Bioware HQ that these things are good. No sane person intentionally sabotages 8 years of work to be remembered as a gutter rat of wasted potential.
They're wrong and/or stupid/delusional. But as for intentionally and knowingly putting the entire franchise to the torch, I wouldn't go that far.
yeah well i read an interview with casey and he said in no certin terms that this is a good thing because we are still talkin about it so in other words it seems that they really dont care bout the fans anymore
What a steaming pile. They expect us to lap it up.
That was posted in the middle of march though, just shy of **** hitting the fan a few days later.
And? What's your point? No, really. Tell me your point. Do you think the ending isn't intentionally bad because EC somehow changed something? It changed nothing. Nothing. The endings, including the EC endings, are bad on purpose. The quote as to why is in that article.
Point is it can't be the same article he's referring to because "A good thing because we're still talking about it" doesn't really apply to an article that came out a few days before the real backlash started.
As for the EC being intentionally bad. I wouldn't go that far. Someone SOMEWHERE believes in Bioware HQ that these things are good. No sane person intentionally sabotages 8 years of work to be remembered as a gutter rat of wasted potential.
They're wrong and/or stupid/delusional. But as for intentionally and knowingly putting the entire franchise to the torch, I wouldn't go that far.
Sometimes when designers dont want anyone else to touch their "baby" they will torch it instead. Some designers get it into their heads (big ego looking heads) that it is their universe/story to torch so they can do whatever the hell they want.
I dont think they intentionally "torched it". I just think that the writing team/heads were incompetent/high when making the third game. (looking at a certain two people)
yeah well i read an interview with casey and he said in no certin terms that this is a good thing because we are still talkin about it so in other words it seems that they really dont care bout the fans anymore
What a steaming pile. They expect us to lap it up.
The problem with that is it was from back in March when BW still had convinced themselves that the reason people were upset was because ME3 was the end of Shepard's story. Then they were also trying to convince themselves it was because people didn't understand the ending as well.
What seems to keep happening is ever since people started speculating as to what ME3 would be and hoping it wouldn't be what it turned out to be, BW has stopped trying to create an exceptional product, used the opposite of wished for speculation, and then started themselves to try and head canon reasons why people didn't like it instead of seeing the truth and working for that.
You can see this play out. And they aren't facing up to the fact that it seems reviewers have started to drop their line and critical acclaim isn't there. That should tell them something. I'm not saying ME3 isn't great in part, but it could have been truly great. They wasted potential in trying to explain and retcon things (spent time and effort in trying to dissuade people from thinking there was anything wrong), rather than just creating something awesome in the first place.
They could have really owned a huge segment of gaming. But what they failed to also understand here is that while even negative attention is attention, it is also that which could lead you to obscurity.
Well, I found another video that many have probably already seen. This guy does a great job of explaining things (did the understated nerd rage original endings vid of course too). It seems there are constantly little tidbits that I've overlooked as far as where the game goes wrong.
He gets it pretty right in the video though one thing I want to point out is that the EC may fix some things, but what it fixes or what it changed becomes rather irrelevant and even more hurtful with the endings as is. For me at least. It's rather more painful to get a great goodbye scene at the conduit and then no good, "I'm alive" scene at the end. Say if Liara was your LI, well for me it was already rather painful to watch that "gift" scene. Then you get an extra knife to the heart with the evac scene-or someone twisting the blade in the wound. Well, great now we have the little quizzical grin with Liara believing Shepard's alive. But none of that fixes things. Part of the issue for me was what Shepard cared about. From Shepard's point of view there is no understanding of what has happened. So, it's great now that his/her friends may have some idea of what's going on, but Shepard the torso does not. Again they failed the characters because not all characters got closure and clarity. For all the torso knows, the galaxy is destroyed and the reapers won or are on the way to winning.
Now, here's the thing. In the video, he rightly explains that the problems with the thing are the kid and the crucible-they always were the core of the most appalling, glaring problems. We've discussed repeatedly who it was that could have created the crucible plans. Some say the Leviathans, but Leviathan said they didn't. Some think it was some other organic beings that were trying to stop the reapers, but those that say that, have like me forgotten one line that this video reminded me of. The kid says Shepard was the first to get there. So, no one else knew about the kid, his existence, and his form-programming or otherwise.
Now, I've pointed that out before but had forgotten the one line there that specifically says that. Vendetta and the Protheans thought the catalyst was the citadel which showed they had no idea what it was.
In the video, he says that someone had to create the crucible to do something with a thing no one knew existed.
It brings it around to one of two beings that could have created the plans.
The beings that created the plans had to have known about the kid and the reapers. The ones that did know about the kid and the reapers are the kid's creators (inside reapers), Leviathan, the kid, and Shepard. Leviathan didn't create the plans, Shepard didn't create the plans. That leaves the kid and his creators inside reapers who could have created them.
If this is not the case then nothing really makes sense. If this is the case then the kid has lied. It all comes back to that. What comes after is based upon having faith in the crucible. I don't care what the slides show, because there's no way they make full sense. The only way to salvage the endings is for the crucible to become a real thing and not some super adaptive power source that can change an AI that has existed for millions of years.
It also makes no sense that the kid just somehow thinks the plans for the crucible had been destroyed when every cycle has added to them and tried to build one. And if he truly was worried about its use, why would he not adapt to resist its effects? It's a freaking power source and he is inside the citadel-create a short circuit or a shut off when the crucible connects to the citadel.
But he didn't do this. He knew the Protheans got close and it was only a matter of time before the crucible was complete enough and a cycle would get it to the citadel. Since he didn't plan for that, which he certainly would have in order to make sure he could keep going forward with his solution, it indicates he did make other changes, allowing the big space battery to create new solutions.
This again puts the blame back on the kid and the crucible. In order to be relevant the kid at least needs to be there to really help and the crucible needs to be there for the same thing. Or the kid needs to clearly be seen for what he is, a representation of the evil in a semi-corporeal form. And the crucible needs to be seen as being used as his new solution. But, it could be separated from the choices and if they are shut off, it could become what people thought it would be, a weapon or some device to help defeat the reapers.
Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 04 octobre 2012 - 02:10 .
They need to just say f@#k it and retconn that little Mongoloid of light out of the story. As long as that little douchebag exists the ending is always going to be a piece of crap. GET RID OF THE GLOWKID!! Just remove him and the ending is sooo much better. Shepard crawls to the console, activates it, and the Crucible fires a Leviathan like pusle throughout the Galaxy and the Reapers are severly weakened, cut to cinematics of forces getting the upper hand overrunning Reaper forces and fleets destroying the capital ships. See where this is going? A 4 year old could write a better ending than the piece of garbage we've gotten. Seriously, during production didn't anyone at Bioware raise their hand and say, "Uh, guys? This kid is the dumbest thing I've ever seen. We can do bettter than this." Well, until this wretched excuse for an ending is repaired any title that bares the Bioware logo will not be purchased by me.
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