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[Biosman]

At the end of the day, you have to submit to the fact that it's over, BW know they goofed, they tried to rectify some of the threads left by making a EC, which is a great, honourable hands-up to the fans, it was a compromise and they deserve respect for it.
Would I like a DLC continuation with Shep after the EC...HELL YEAH!!!!
BW could do it if they wanted, a final walk into the sunset with your LI, and more unlimited DLC's I would have no problem parting with my money.

Sadly, the EC has destroyed any replayability (i still dont own Leviathan) whats the point? and not just ME3, but all of them, there will never again be a play through from ME1 and thats sad, the last 5 minutes (10 now) just gutted the whole franchise and leaves a dark, unpalatable experience. I definately dont want to go there again, so sadly for me ME universe died with ME3's diabolical ending, the worst 5 minutes in gaming history. thats the sad thing.
So...devs, if your watching...if killing the franchise is what you intended, you succeeded, ME1 and ME2 and all dlc's, ME3 and the EC are all uninstalled, never to be played again. surely, that is NOT what you intended? the ME team did the unthinkably bad , same mistake as the DA team, I sadly, dont think BW can survive, unless of course Shep does. think about it Casey.

Also know this, i refuse to invest into a sequel ME game unless it's got our hero in it.

[CrimsonNephilim]

I haven't touched my 360 since ME3...I have now gone back to playing WoW.

Draw whatever conclusion you want from that, lol.

Modifié par CrimsonNephilim, 06 octobre 2012 - 07:40 .

[CaIIisto]

To be honest, I've gone back and re-read the LOTR trilogy, and I've made my way through Babylon 5 again.

Thank God Tolkien and JMS knew what they were doing.

[gremorylore]

My nick and my support to you OP; to this thread and to all those which are still hoping for a change\\improvement.

Sadly for me, as an "old gamers", I've already witnessed the destruction of the Cube, the Sphere and the Tetra Generators once. All in vain.

[CaIIisto]

 An interesting article I just came across, featuring comments from SF authors Jonathan Green and Joe Abercrombie. Highlights;

would Green re-write the end if fans wanted it? "If people were happy to pay for it, why not? I would love to be able to write something where the basic story isn't the be all and end all. I'm in the business of world-building, and such extra content can only enhance the world being built."

"I personally prefer the hanging questions," says Green. "Life doesn't end with a medal ceremony or dancing Ewoks, and even when it does, somebody's still going to have to clear up all those discarded streamers the following morning. But there needs to be some form of emotional pay-off for all those people who stuck with the over-arching story from day one. When it comes to a huge game like Mass Effect 3, to have an ending which negates any of the travails of the player is a mean-spirited and lazy thing to do."

The ending was bad," agrees Abercrombie

The outcry over the ending seems excessive to me, but did it make good science fiction?" he asks. "Well, was it good science? No. It was pretty incomprehensible and didn't make much sense even within the context of the game."But I'm actually a lot more interested in whether it made good fiction. And the answer is 'no' again. Heavy exposition by a glowing child never before mentioned seems a sure sign of failure. By the time you get to the end of a hundred and fifty hours of gameplay, you shouldn't need things explained. You shouldn't be watching with furrowed brow thinking wha? You shouldn't be thinking at all. You should be feeling it."

www.computerandvideogames.com/349045/features/mass-effect-3-ending-vs-sci-fi-writers/

[CrimsonNephilim]

In all honesty, I feel bad for Bioware. The endings to ME3 has put the company into the untrustworthy bin with nearly the entire fanbase which also puts them at risk as a game company. The outrage at the ME3 endings has fans resorting never wanting to buy another Bioware created game or anything connected to Bioware.

Granted there are still people out there who are willing to put money into paid DLC and even pick up another Mass Effect game, but I can't see that percentage being very big unless Bioware drops their grip on the "no post ME3 ending" material and actually tie in Shepard as the main character to the next game. That doesn't seem likely though.

[Biosman]

Also, it's inconceivable you cannot bring Shep back, when he was recreated in ME2 from snot gathered off a planet after re-entry. Bring back Shep, do the right thing

[Commander_Corbin]

You have my omni-blade! (Add my name to the list.)

[DirtyBird627]

I certainly support the OP here. The EC was definitely a nice gesture, but it still leaves out the biggest part of the endings for me. That is, what happens to the people I actually care about, knowing the fate of the galaxy is all well and good, but I still would like to know what becomes of all Shepard's friends. Honestly, I didn't push all the way through the series to save the galaxy, so much as I did to help my friends and now I don't know what becomes of them in any of the endings (aside from a little supposition based on the slide show). This series was always about the characters for me and yet they're forgotten at the most important time, the ending.

Worse than all of that, ME is a dead series for me, I haven't had any inclination to play it again for months and I can't imagine I ever will. What's the point, the best you can do is kinda "win". Any argument about realism in this series is moot, you restored Shepard from a pile of "meat and tubes" as Jacob says in ME2, after being brain dead for an incredibly long time, so really anything is possible. It'd be nice to see something done, but I'm far too much of a cynical realist to think it will be. Still, I support this thread.

[Chardonney]

Biosman wrote...

Also, it's inconceivable you cannot bring Shep back, when he was recreated in ME2 from snot gathered off a planet after re-entry. Bring back Shep, do the right thing

Amen.


I actually opened and played my ME2 game today after months of not playing it - well before ME3 came out - and I was amazed how different the feeling of it was, when compared to ME3. I'm not talking about the heavy burden of war but how it didn't feel rushed or forced. And the fact that - despite the looming suicide mission - I knew that my Shep would survive in the end if I did everything just right, gave me the freedom to actually enjoy the game without feeling constantly depressed. Such an amazing feeling.

I wish I could've experienced the same feeling throughout the ME3. My God, the Destroy ending needs to be fixed.

Modifié par Chardonney, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:11 .

[AresKeith]

Chardonney wrote...

Biosman wrote...

Also, it's inconceivable you cannot bring Shep back, when he was recreated in ME2 from snot gathered off a planet after re-entry. Bring back Shep, do the right thing

Amen.


I actually opened and played my ME2 game today after months of not playing it - well before ME3 came out - and I was amazed how different the feeling of it was, when compared to ME3. I'm not talking about the heavy burden of war but how it didn't feel rushed or forced. And the fact that - despite the looming suicide mission - I knew that my Shep would survive in the end if I did everything just right, gave me the freedom to actually enjoy the game without feeling constantly depressed. Such an amazing feeling.

I wish I could've experienced the same feeling throughout the ME3. My God, the Destroy ending needs to be fixed.

Hugs?

Modifié par AresKeith, 06 octobre 2012 - 09:22 .

[CrimsonNephilim]

Chardonney wrote...

Biosman wrote...

Also, it's inconceivable you cannot bring Shep back, when he was recreated in ME2 from snot gathered off a planet after re-entry. Bring back Shep, do the right thing

Amen.


I actually opened and played my ME2 game today after months of not playing it - well before ME3 came out - and I was amazed how different the feeling of it was, when compared to ME3. I'm not talking about the heavy burden of war but how it didn't feel rushed or forced. And the fact that - despite the looming suicide mission - I knew that my Shep would survive in the end if I did everything just right, gave me the freedom to actually enjoy the game without feeling constantly depressed. Such an amazing feeling.

I wish I could've experienced the same feeling throughout the ME3. My God, the Destroy ending needs to be fixed.

I know how you feel 

Been having an internal debate with myself over replaying ME1 & ME2, and MAYBE putting my personal dislike for ME3 aside and finishing the game or at least get as far through it was I can just to re-live the feeling you get from these games.

Still can't make a decision yet though  

[Unschuld]

I still have fun playing through ME1&2, but I'm probably not playing through ME3 again until the last DLC drops. Playing through to that depressing nonsensical narratively incoherent ending just to hear one additional asinine line of dialogue can only be done so many times.

Modifié par Unschuld, 06 octobre 2012 - 11:43 .

[Benchpress610]

3DandBeyond wrote...
Wow, that is pretty impressive for a game that some think we should all just forget about.  Thanks so much for all that work.  I actually do think I will use that.

Thanks Dee, I see you used it in your OP. Glad I can help. I'll keep tracking it and will update it perhaps once a week.

Modifié par Benchpress610, 06 octobre 2012 - 11:48 .

[Benchpress610]

Bob the Elcor wrote...

With depression, I doubt anything will change, no matter what anyone does, with slight hope, but I doubt, not know, so add my name to the list.

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[CrimsonNephilim]

I miss Mass Effect. Think I will replay it once more and just quite ME3 before the horrendous RGB choice

[Xellith]

Unschuld wrote...

I still have fun playing through ME1&2, but I'm probably not playing through ME3 again until the last DLC drops. Playing through to that depressing nonsensical narratively incoherent ending just to hear one additional asinine line of dialogue can only be done so many times.

Never and just watch on youtube?  I mean I really only need to see about 5 mins worth of dialogue.. not really worth buying the dlc.. >.>

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Bester76 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
But with this all said, I have to say that ME3 has scarred me for life. I'm playing Borderlands 2, and I can see them poking fun at the series in places. If you haven't noticed it yet you will.

You're lucky. I can't even face playing anything else yet. It's ruined gaming for me.

It took me two weeks before I could pick up a game. (March 22) The game I was able to pick up? NBA 2K11. It had a better ending. Then I did a lot of MP which was is the best part of ME3, and did some Ghost Recon for a bit but Ubisoft servers suck. Did the extended cut to see what the big deal was. Watched Leviathan femShep (Renegade which would be how I'd have played it) minus the combat on Youtube, and it was like an episode of Stargate so okay. So just played MP ME3 until Borderlands 2 dropped on the 18th of September, and haven't picked up ME3 since.

It was like they wrote the ending to ME3 in a bubble and didn't have a clue that some people played ME for up to 1600 hrs (numerous plays) with different classes and different decisions, and were expecting to be able to get about 16 different plays with ME3 and be big goddamned hero/ines and kicked the reapers in the daddy bags at the end, and fly off into the sunset. Instead we got emotionally curb stomped. We had these decisions to make and sacrifices to make, and die. Not something I want to do more than once.

When there are potentially 16 different variations of the story line weaving through a game in a trilogy like this you have to assume that there are going to be people who have played the game 16 times to have all 16 variations just to see where they go. I don't, but there are people who are that obsessive. I only have 11. <_< I was achievement whoring okay?

Basically it was a total disconnect between the writer and the gamer.  The writer really has to think about this: if I were a gamer who had potentially done 16 plays of both previous installments and are expecting to be able to do the same with this one, how would I feel with this kind of ending? I'd feel horrible. No, I'm not going to write this ending. I'll write a different ending: one that is more feel good and will lend itself to replayability.

What astounds me and what tells me that they wrote this is in a bubble without a clue is that they didn't anticipate any backlash from the players. The question remains: did they learn from this?

[Chardonney]

AresKeith wrote...

Chardonney wrote...

Biosman wrote...

Also, it's inconceivable you cannot bring Shep back, when he was recreated in ME2 from snot gathered off a planet after re-entry. Bring back Shep, do the right thing

Amen.


I actually opened and played my ME2 game today after months of not playing it - well before ME3 came out - and I was amazed how different the feeling of it was, when compared to ME3. I'm not talking about the heavy burden of war but how it didn't feel rushed or forced. And the fact that - despite the looming suicide mission - I knew that my Shep would survive in the end if I did everything just right, gave me the freedom to actually enjoy the game without feeling constantly depressed. Such an amazing feeling.

I wish I could've experienced the same feeling throughout the ME3. My God, the Destroy ending needs to be fixed.

Hugs?

Much needed. Thanks. I think I'm gonna check out ME1, too, while I'm at it. It's been way over two years since I played that one and I know I'm going to be pleasantly surprised even now. Just want to hold on to this nostalgic feeling a bit longer.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

It was like they wrote the ending
to ME3 in a bubble and didn't have a clue that some people played ME for
up to 1600 hrs (numerous plays) with different classes and different
decisions, and were expecting to be able to get about 16 different plays
with ME3 and be big goddamned hero/ines and kicked the reapers in the
daddy bags at the end, and fly off into the sunset. Instead we got
emotionally curb stomped. We had these decisions to make and sacrifices
to make, and die. Not something I want to do more than once.

Just how I see it.

I just love that Donelly's line there.

Modifié par Chardonney, 07 octobre 2012 - 12:51 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Chardonney wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Chardonney wrote...

Biosman wrote...

Also, it's inconceivable you cannot bring Shep back, when he was recreated in ME2 from snot gathered off a planet after re-entry. Bring back Shep, do the right thing

Amen.


I actually opened and played my ME2 game today after months of not playing it - well before ME3 came out - and I was amazed how different the feeling of it was, when compared to ME3. I'm not talking about the heavy burden of war but how it didn't feel rushed or forced. And the fact that - despite the looming suicide mission - I knew that my Shep would survive in the end if I did everything just right, gave me the freedom to actually enjoy the game without feeling constantly depressed. Such an amazing feeling.

I wish I could've experienced the same feeling throughout the ME3. My God, the Destroy ending needs to be fixed.

Hugs?

Much needed. Thanks. I think I'm gonna check out ME1, too, while I'm at it. It's been way over two years since I played that one and I know I'm going to be pleasantly surprised even now. Just want to hold on to this nostalgic feeling a bit longer.

It's really simple. I erased Arrival and ME3 from my HD. I don't consider them to be canon. At the end of ME2 you destroy the reapers last hope of ever getting into the galaxy from dark space, because with the demise of the Collectors and the destruction of the Collector Base it ends. Overlord and LotSB are fine. Twitter retcons don't count. Why? EA. It's in the game! (not twitter)

Like with Star Control, true fans do not consider Star Control 3 to be canon because it sucked.

[Eckswhyzed]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
But with this all said, I have to say that ME3 has scarred me for life. I'm playing Borderlands 2, and I can see them poking fun at the series in places. If you haven't noticed it yet you will.

I haven't noticed...please tell!

[Xellith]

Dont have it. ME3 made me never wanna buy a game full price ever again. So do tell.

[PinkysPain]

Biosman wrote...

At the end of the day, you have to submit to the fact that it's over, BW know they goofed, they tried to rectify some of the threads left by making a EC, which is a great, honourable hands-up to the fans, it was a compromise and they deserve respect for it.

So they compromised between stroking the ego of Mac Walters and giving me a satisfying ending ... I'm sure Mac truly hated seeing the mass relay retcon and not having your companions completely stranded and I'm thankful for that bit of destruction of the artistic integrity ... but in the end the compromise was a really tiny one, the ego of one writer still triumphed over common sense and I can not give respect for that.

Also, how do you know that they truly know they goofed if they didn't correct their errors and didn't even admit to them ... I think they're still in almost complete denial and DA3 is going to have a completely unsatisfactory plot and ending.

Modifié par PinkysPain, 07 octobre 2012 - 01:17 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Eckswhyzed wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
But with this all said, I have to say that ME3 has scarred me for life. I'm playing Borderlands 2, and I can see them poking fun at the series in places. If you haven't noticed it yet you will.

I haven't noticed...please tell!

They are major spoilers and I don't want to ruin the game. Some funny stuff though.

[Eckswhyzed]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Eckswhyzed wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
But with this all said, I have to say that ME3 has scarred me for life. I'm playing Borderlands 2, and I can see them poking fun at the series in places. If you haven't noticed it yet you will.

I haven't noticed...please tell!

They are major spoilers and I don't want to ruin the game. Some funny stuff though.

Got a link, PM, or youtube video then? I don't care about spoilers. Even just a hint I can use to look up for myself....