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[BearlyHere]

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

I miss Mass Effect. Think I will replay it once more and just quite ME3 before the horrendous RGB choice

I miss it too, but that vile taste the ending left is too strong. I can't even bring myself to play DA:O, a game I loved and played at least ten times. As much as I really hated the ending and the treatment of the LIs in DA2, and really hated the recycled sets, I still warmed enough to play it six times. But ME? I can't bring myself to do it.

I'm still working on Dawnguard and thinking of getting Borderlands 2 since I've heard good things from other players, but I don't know if I can ever forget the utter contempt Bioware has shown its players. 

[MrnDpty161]

Well it was a poor decision story-wise and the 2 wonderful people that brought it aren't even with BioWare now. Figure that one. I'm afraid the ending you want will have to be written by your own hand --- and enhanced by your own fanfic. Great letter --- many of us tried when the ending was revealed. Bloody civil war in these forums for sure with many people that prob will never come back to chit-chat nor speak. Why just this Thursday, they just fixed ME3 for those of us who were stuck in the Black Hole. A whole 7 months of non--playing because they couldn't get their act together and fix something that shut its fans out --- if not --- damaged fans whom simply wanted their money's worth, such as myself! 7 months man! Thats messed up. I hope that DA3 isn't handled in the same way.

Nope, I for sure did not like how the endings were given nor many things about the game period, although I warmed up to the more shooter-friendly element because of the story progress. Most people can tell which parts of ME3 are written well and which ones aren't, the differences are night and day almost in some cases! I think biggest destruction was the downplaying of many characters we had grown attached to because of their focus in ME2. Extremely let down. Good characters that were abused and misused.

In any rate, its done of course, and you've already made you're position. Sad. But and ending is an ending.

[MrnDpty161]

Yes I believe they had the forumula right with ME1, and I think ME1 was the best of the two ---- its so damned frustrating when thinking about it.

[CrimsonNephilim]

BearlyHere wrote...

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

I miss Mass Effect. Think I will replay it once more and just quite ME3 before the horrendous RGB choice

I miss it too, but that vile taste the ending left is too strong. I can't even bring myself to play DA:O, a game I loved and played at least ten times. As much as I really hated the ending and the treatment of the LIs in DA2, and really hated the recycled sets, I still warmed enough to play it six times. But ME? I can't bring myself to do it.

I'm still working on Dawnguard and thinking of getting Borderlands 2 since I've heard good things from other players, but I don't know if I can ever forget the utter contempt Bioware has shown its players. 

ME breaks my heart with how the series is left right now but I want to relive the nostalgia once more. I haven't even played ME3 through once yet. So many things about it upset me aside from the endings and what I posted previously in here. I just want to  experience it again at least once more.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

BearlyHere wrote...

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

I miss Mass Effect. Think I will replay it once more and just quite ME3 before the horrendous RGB choice

I miss it too, but that vile taste the ending left is too strong. I can't even bring myself to play DA:O, a game I loved and played at least ten times. As much as I really hated the ending and the treatment of the LIs in DA2, and really hated the recycled sets, I still warmed enough to play it six times. But ME? I can't bring myself to do it.

I'm still working on Dawnguard and thinking of getting Borderlands 2 since I've heard good things from other players, but I don't know if I can ever forget the utter contempt Bioware has shown its players. 

ME breaks my heart with how the series is left right now but I want to relive the nostalgia once more. I haven't even played ME3 through once yet. So many things about it upset me aside from the endings and what I posted previously in here. I just want to  experience it again at least once more.

ME1 + BDTS > ME2 + Overlord + LotSB > Suicide Mission (blow up the base) = The End.

just uninstall Arrival. You're good.

[N7 Lisbeth]

I liked Arrival.

[CrimsonNephilim]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

I liked Arrival.

[MrnDpty161]

Awful way to kill a SF RPG. --- well.... an... " Action" RPG.

[Iakus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

BearlyHere wrote...

CrimsonNephilim wrote...

I miss Mass Effect. Think I will replay it once more and just quite ME3 before the horrendous RGB choice

I miss it too, but that vile taste the ending left is too strong. I can't even bring myself to play DA:O, a game I loved and played at least ten times. As much as I really hated the ending and the treatment of the LIs in DA2, and really hated the recycled sets, I still warmed enough to play it six times. But ME? I can't bring myself to do it.

I'm still working on Dawnguard and thinking of getting Borderlands 2 since I've heard good things from other players, but I don't know if I can ever forget the utter contempt Bioware has shown its players. 

ME breaks my heart with how the series is left right now but I want to relive the nostalgia once more. I haven't even played ME3 through once yet. So many things about it upset me aside from the endings and what I posted previously in here. I just want to  experience it again at least once more.

ME1 + BDTS > ME2 + Overlord + LotSB > Suicide Mission (blow up the base) = The End.

just uninstall Arrival. You're good.

Sadly, that means Ash is forever p*ssed at me for working with Cerberus 

[AresKeith]

N7 Lisbeth wrote...

I liked Arrival.

Arrival was meh, it had some good parts and they made Harbinger similar to Sovereign (which is what some fans wanted) but overall not as great as LotSB

[CrimsonNephilim]

LotSB is hands down my favorite DLC for ME2. The car chase is hilarious, lol. I did like Arrival though.

It wasn't the best, but I like how it played out how it bridged ME1 and ME2 into 3, even though 3 is a big ol' slap to the face and cheap shot knee to the stomach.

[DWH1982]

iakus wrote...

Sadly, that means Ash is forever p*ssed at me for working with Cerberus 

Yeah, I think that would be my biggest problem with just ignoring ME3 entirely. No resolution for the relationship between Ediwn Shepard (my canon Shepard) and Ash. I was sad by how little of Ash there was in the game, but at least I got to continue their relationship.

Also... ME3 fell short in more areas than the endings, and the endings were just horriffic. But there are good things about it. Like Tuchanka. The quarian/geth missions were also good, though what they did with the geth was inconsistent with Legion in ME2 and probably not the direction I would have gone (I would have had them bring their makeshift dyson sphere online rather than merging with "reaper code" or whatever - honestly not sure why Bioware abandoned the dyson sphere).

I finally played through the EC endings today. Did refuse first, then destroy. My general feeling is pretty much the same: Better, but still "meh."

I think the thing to do, rather than ignoring ME3 entirely, is to just stop playing before Star Brat tries to force you to decide. Probably what I'll do next time, though I'm thinking about taking a hiatus from playing Mass Effect games for a bit. Unless future DLC does something like give us a refusal victory or destroy without killing EDI and the geth, I'll probably just stop before the endings and substitute my own head canon ending.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The problem with Arrival is that it leaves an open end to the story that must be closed, and the only way to close it is with ME3.

Without Arrival, the reapers are stuck in dark space. You're going to say "but Bioware tweeted that the reapers began their journey immediately after the Battle of the Citadel." I'm going to say "Not so. Tweets don't count. EA! It's in the game!" or it didn't happen.

Arrival was fine but from a closure standpoint it leaves loose ends. Without Arrival you may still think they're out there, and they are, but they're not getting here because they haven't developed "Space Magic Drive".

I saved Kaiden on Virmire, and romanced Liara, so I'm good.

Ash? In ME3? Goddess I wanted to cap her on Mars. I was looking for the "I should have left you on Virmire." line, especially since I'd already iced Wrex there, "Don't make me rectify that decision."

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 07 octobre 2012 - 04:44 .

[CrimsonNephilim]

Space Magic...ew

[DWH1982]

ME2 isn't as closed as you think without Arrival. I mean... after the suicide mission you can see the Reapers flying towards the Milky Way.

Destruction of the Collector base really doesn't explain why the Reapers can't just fly into the galaxy under conventional FTL - like they do in ME3.

EDIT: One possible work around would be - they're so far in dark space that it will take centuries for them to arrive. By that time, civilization in the galaxy will have advanced beyond the stage it's normally at when the Reapers arrive, allowing them to fight back effectively.

Under such a scenario, you could say (maybe?) that the reason for building a Reaper at the collector base was to take another shot at capturing the Citadel so they could arrive in time to be able to win.

Modifié par DWH1982, 07 octobre 2012 - 04:51 .

[BearlyHere]

MrnDpty161 wrote...

Well it was a poor decision story-wise and the 2 wonderful people that brought it aren't even with BioWare now. Figure that one. I'm afraid the ending you want will have to be written by your own hand --- and enhanced by your own fanfic. Great letter --- many of us tried when the ending was revealed. Bloody civil war in these forums for sure with many people that prob will never come back to chit-chat nor speak. Why just this Thursday, they just fixed ME3 for those of us who were stuck in the Black Hole. A whole 7 months of non--playing because they couldn't get their act together and fix something that shut its fans out --- if not --- damaged fans whom simply wanted their money's worth, such as myself! 7 months man! Thats messed up. I hope that DA3 isn't handled in the same way.

Nope, I for sure did not like how the endings were given nor many things about the game period, although I warmed up to the more shooter-friendly element because of the story progress. Most people can tell which parts of ME3 are written well and which ones aren't, the differences are night and day almost in some cases! I think biggest destruction was the downplaying of many characters we had grown attached to because of their focus in ME2. Extremely let down. Good characters that were abused and misused.

In any rate, its done of course, and you've already made you're position. Sad. But and ending is an ending.

We shouldn't have to headcannon the ending. I think if they had a rescuer finding Shepard in the rubble would have been an easy addition, and would have gone far towards restoring good will.

I never wrote much less read fanfic until the endings of NWN2 forced me into it. I had thought of writing my own ending, but after playing three characters through ME3, I no longer have the energy to put into it. It's damned depressing that Bioware would throw away a segment of their fanbase, and ironically the segment that usually buys a game's paraphanalia, because of hubris.

[DWH1982]

BearlyHere wrote...

and ironically the segment that usually buys a game's paraphanalia

I purchased the novels (except for the one that Dietz wrote, which perhaps we should have taken as a warning of things to come) and two of the graphic novels. Was planning to buy Invasion - however, after the endings, I've decided that the only things I'll buy are DLCs that add to the single player story.

And that's only because, despite its flaws, I still enjoy playing ME3, and can just turn it off when things start to go sideways.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

DWH1982 wrote...

ME2 isn't as closed as you think without Arrival. I mean... after the suicide mission you can see the Reapers flying towards the Milky Way.

Destruction of the Collector base really doesn't explain why the Reapers can't just fly into the galaxy under conventional FTL - like they do in ME3.

EDIT: One possible work around would be - they're so far in dark space that it will take centuries for them to arrive. By that time, civilization in the galaxy will have advanced beyond the stage it's normally at when the Reapers arrive, allowing them to fight back effectively.

Under such a scenario, you could say (maybe?) that the reason for building a Reaper at the collector base was to take another shot at capturing the Citadel so they could arrive in time to be able to win.

I was looking at that distance. They're way out. Only the Capital ships can FTL like that without discharging. Their smaller ships need to discharge. 30 ly/day is their max speed. This also consumes fuel. They are going to be very weak by the time they get to the galaxy.

BW gave them a huge retcon and huge boost in a patented space magic drive that consumes no fuel, requires no discharging, and travels at super fast speeds never before heard of so they could make that journey in six months. This is why they needed to use the relay via the Citadel.

And that would be the reason for building a reaper at the Collector Base: they were already reprogramming the Geth for try #2 (stopped by blowing up the Heretics), and building a Human Reaper (aka Sovereign II); and this time with the Collector ship assisting.

So given another 300 - 400 years, tech develops beyond the level of the Protheans, the reapers arrive weakened and need to recharge but need to begin the harvest, can't isolate systems like before and get their asses handed to them. Sorry no power to the shields, reapers. Thanix? All you have is Thanix? Pfft! We've got Blasto! There's your conventional win.

[Zan51]

I, too was unable to play games at all for like about 2 weeks, and even then I couldn't settle to anything. It wasn't till something totally different came out I could have fun again - Torchlight 2.

Read the interview with the SF writer V Mass Effect - very good article, saying all the things that I and other writers ere have been saying! Maybe now the doubters will believe us, eh? Thanks for posting that, OP.

[TheRealJayDee]

iakus wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
But with this all said, I have to say that ME3 has scarred me for life. I'm playing Borderlands 2, and I can see them poking fun at the series in places. If you haven't noticed it yet you will.

You're lucky. I can't even face playing anything else yet. It's ruined gaming for me.

I went back to easrlier Bioware games.  Jade Empire, DAO (my Aeducan will sacrifice himself, and it will be a sacrifice worth making) and hopefully soon the BG Enhanced Edition will be out. as well.

It is sad to see how far Bioware has fallen.  But these games are still available to be enjoyed.

A while after EC release I continued a complete trilogy playthrough I started before ME3 release. I played through ME1, then ME2, and after Mars in ME3 I just stopped. Haven't started either game since that.
 
Played no other games for some time as well. I was actually tired of gaming in general. I threw money otherwise probably used for buying new games at some Kickstarter projects. Now I have finally found my way to GOG.com, and it's great! I've started playing a lot of games I used to love and some I always wanted to play but never managed to. Finished Arcanum yesterday, moving on now to either Baldur's Gate or Planescape: Torment.

I'm still reading through the forums here, following some interesting discussions like this one and being both amazed and sad about how little interest I actually have in DA3. As for Mass Effect - if nothing really big happens with the coming DLCs I'm afraid I'm officially over it...

[Biosman]

All BW needed to do was end it when you go to activate the crucible after the death of Anderson, a truly emotional scene when Anderson tells Shep "I'm proud of you" i had mantears , then the call that the crucible isnt doing anything, here, shep crawls to the interface and activates it...CUE THE FINALE CUTSCENES no need for a "breathe" scene, just sheps name on the honor board on the Normandy. thats is what the true ending shgould have been, that is how to end a franchise.

No star kid, no RBG there was absolutely no need for it. you could even have left the Normandy stranded instead of making it cheesy...yes the EC had cheese that should also never have been there, do the right thing BW

Modifié par Biosman, 07 octobre 2012 - 12:05 .

[christrek1982]

DWH1982 wrote...

ME2 isn't as closed as you think without Arrival. I mean... after the suicide mission you can see the Reapers flying towards the Milky Way.

Destruction of the Collector base really doesn't explain why the Reapers can't just fly into the galaxy under conventional FTL - like they do in ME3.

EDIT: One possible work around would be - they're so far in dark space that it will take centuries for them to arrive. By that time, civilization in the galaxy will have advanced beyond the stage it's normally at when the Reapers arrive, allowing them to fight back effectively.

Under such a scenario, you could say (maybe?) that the reason for building a Reaper at the collector base was to take another shot at capturing the Citadel so they could arrive in time to be able to win.

this is grate and is now my head cannon for not playing ME3

thank you.


but in my HC Ithe reapers arive long after shepard and Liara had passed on but they used the SB network to promote peace unity and tech advancment.

[MrFob]

This i a very nice thread, although I am afraid it is quite futile.
Nontheless, some very interesting discussion going on here. (btw, whatever happened to the AWTR thread?)

Biosman wrote...

All BW needed to do was end it when you go to activate the crucible after the death of Anderson, a truly emotional scene when Anderson tells Shep "I'm proud of you" i had mantears , then the call that the crucible isnt doing anything, here, shep crawls to the interface and activates it...CUE THE FINALE CUTSCENES no need for a "breathe" scene, just sheps name on the honor board on the Normandy. thats is what the true ending shgould have been, that is how to end a franchise.

No star kid, no RBG there was absolutely no need for it. you could even have left the Normandy stranded instead of making it cheesy...yes the EC had cheese that should also never have been there, do the right thing BW

While I personally disagree with the notion that the reapers didn't need at least a partial explanation before I kill them all (not to mention the fact that our last confrontation, the climax of the story would be with over inflated TIM of all people), I definitely agree on the cheesy EC. This is especially bad since Shepards choice are so horrible. At least in the original endings, we were left wondering how e.g. synthesis would turn out for the galaxy. Did we really make the right decision? Will a Control Shepard succumb to the principle that "absolute power corrupts absolutely"? It was "speculation for everyone", which was really bad but I feel that the EC tries to push a forced happy ending on these three atrocities which IMO is even worse.

But this is just part of the general problem with asking BW to fix things. Had they done it in the first months (e.g. with the EC), it might have worked. Right now, so many people have so many different opinions, requests, suggestions and ideas they - facing the bad situation that we had - grew very passionate about. What is BW to do exactly? A fix for one party will ruin the game for another. I for example would be shocked if we could suddenly have a conventional victory. "Why?" would I ask, "how does that make sense?". However, I do know that many many people want such an ending.
By leaving things as long as they have and by making the statements they made, essentially BW has taken from themselves the option to change the endings with any form of dignity.
I am not saying that I don't want them to or that I wouldn't be happy if they did it anyway. I am just saying that indications are unfortunately not very positive.


@TheRealJayDee: It's a shame you stopped after mars. I think the best parts of ME3 are between Mars and Priority earth. You take these out and it's an excellent game with just a few flaws IMO.

Modifié par MrFob, 07 octobre 2012 - 01:11 .

[MrnDpty161]

Ha --- I here you OP, I was just suggesting that some personally made fan-fic would help out, you know -- stop playing where Mr. Sheild's attempts his last run to kill you off before its too late! --- I think that is where most people stop.

All I have to say is --- you know, if your going to attempt a Mass Effect 4 ( If its even called that ) --- please don't repeat this terrible shift of lore and forced ideas. Now you have created people who would have otherwise bought your games, to stop, wait for a few reviews after a couple of weeks, maybe get a hint of what the ending is going to be like --- AND THEN --- they'll buy your new game. I do not think this particular company realizes what it has done to its name-brand. Its suspect instead of automatically chosen. Just like Bethesda has done itself a good one with the PS3 issues and Skyrim. Most of the giants have fumbled last round. Will they turn around after half-time? We're waiting to see.

[CaIIisto]

MrnDpty161 wrote...
stop playing where Mr. Sheild's attempts his last run to kill you off before its too late! --- I think that is where most people stop.

Everything up to actually meeting the Catalyst is tolerable. Wouldn't really want to lose the "Best seats in the house" scene.