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[Fredvdp]

Chris Priestly wrote...

futurepixels wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Why leave Shepard's story so open-ended and ambigious if you don't have any plans to follow up on it? 

This is a VERY good question, and Bioware should answer it, Chris.

I do not feel it is open ended. In most endings Shepard dies. Hard to be more definitive than death. I think people who cling to hope that there will be more see "open ended ambiguity" where it doesn't exist.

I got enough closure when Shepard made his final decision, whether he died or not. The story started when they discovered the warnings on Eden Prime about the Reapers, and the story ends when Shepard decides how to deal with it. What Shepard does after he made his decision seems irrelevant to me.

[BassStyles]

Chris Priestly wrote...

futurepixels wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Why leave Shepard's story so open-ended and ambigious if you don't have any plans to follow up on it? 

This is a VERY good question, and Bioware should answer it, Chris.

I do not feel it is open ended. In most endings Shepard dies. Hard to be more definitive than death. I think people who cling to hope that there will be more see "open ended ambiguity" where it doesn't exist.

But without hope we might as well be machines.

Modifié par BassStyles, 08 octobre 2012 - 02:15 .

[Nightwriter]

That makes it sound a bit like they really did just kill Shepard off so they could wash their hands of him.

[darkway1]

AT this point,why would Bioware give a definitive answer as whether Shepard is alive or not....he's a solid story asset for possible future projects......it would be madness to state Shepard's fate.

[wantedman dan]

vallore wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...



Ambiguity is the antithesis of closure. What we have here is a fundamental failure on multiple levels of the Bioware heirarchy. The very fact they don't acknowledge it is a failure in and of itself. 

When game publishers focus more on the elite journalists and their reviews over what the fans want, we have a problem. Bioware is the exact epitome of this problem. The fact is, we're almost a year removed from the initial drop of Mass Effect 3. Would it be practical, or even possible, to salvage what's left? I don't think so. 

It could be done.

I suspect that a game expansion or a particularly long DLC, (proportionally more expensive), could be successful.

Imagine an expansion/DLC were we see the Shepard’s companions adventurous return to earth, with the bonus of finally finding what happened to their famous commander upon their return, (and having a brief reunion, if she was still alive):

“Follow the crew of the Normandy in their last, epic, journey.Play as Liara, or Garrus, in an electrifying adventure, as the Normandy traverses the dangerous Hades nebula in their way back to Earth. Learn how they discover Shepard’s fate. Battle the mysterious and vicious <insert cool & alien name> and uncover their terrible secret. “

I don't mean to be rude but that sounds like a terrible idea.

Journeying back to Earth so your crew can learn what cowardly fate Shepard met? No, thanks. 

[wantedman dan]

Chris Priestly wrote...

futurepixels wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Why leave Shepard's story so open-ended and ambigious if you don't have any plans to follow up on it? 

This is a VERY good question, and Bioware should answer it, Chris.

I do not feel it is open ended. In most endings Shepard dies. Hard to be more definitive than death. I think people who cling to hope that there will be more see "open ended ambiguity" where it doesn't exist.

I can't take your response seriously.

The very fact that people want more speaks volumes to the failures of Bioware in telling its own story. They don't want to replay the same nonsense over; they want ADDITION.

[Xellith]

Bioware are content with adding content to the "middle" of the story that ultimately does nothing and can just be watched on youtube for free.

1. Con- because the content doesnt change the end.
2. pro - because I can get it for free on youtube.

Modifié par Xellith, 08 octobre 2012 - 03:07 .

[wantedman dan]

Xellith wrote...

Bioware are content with adding content to the "middle" of the story that ultimately does nothing and can just be watched on youtube for free.

1. Con- because the content doesnt change the end.
2. pro - because I can get it for free on youtube.

I saved myself $10 and watched Leviathan on Youtube. I'm glad I didn't spend the money.

[CaIIisto]

Yeah, YTs probably the route I'll go down from here on out as well.

[Chardonney]

Bester76 wrote...

Yeah, YTs probably the route I'll go down from here on out as well.

I had to get the Leviathan because of the new vid clips material - needed to have my own Shep in those clips - but otherwise I wouldn't have gotten it. There really  is no point to new DLC's, as long as the ending is what it is. And everytime I read somewhere to use your imagination, I want to scream, so bad.


I saw this pic a few days ago and it instantly reminded me of BioWare's idea of using your imagination in the end...

[Xellith]

Just watched this review of MGS4 by Jeremy Jahns.  I lolled.  You'll know why I lolled when you see it

www.youtube.com/watch

[Chardonney]

Xellith wrote...

Just watched this review of MGS4 by Jeremy Jahns.  I lolled.  You'll know why I lolled when you see it

www.youtube.com/watch

2:40 Right on!

[Grubas]

Chardonney wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Just watched this review of MGS4 by Jeremy Jahns.  I lolled.  You'll know why I lolled when you see it

www.youtube.com/watch

2:40 Right on!

The EC actually gives you a maximum 10 minutes long Ending. And i still had to laugh  .

[CaIIisto]

LOL

RGB FTW!

Seriously, who dream't that sh*t up. Oh we already know....

[3DandBeyond]

Bester76 wrote...

LOL

RGB FTW!

Seriously, who dream't that sh*t up. Oh we already know....

I really don't get how they could go from saying you won't get ABC to giving us RGB.  When really in ME3, they left out all of the G choices anyway.

[vallore]

wantedman dan wrote...

vallore wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...



Ambiguity is the antithesis of closure. What we have here is a fundamental failure on multiple levels of the Bioware heirarchy. The very fact they don't acknowledge it is a failure in and of itself. 

When game publishers focus more on the elite journalists and their reviews over what the fans want, we have a problem. Bioware is the exact epitome of this problem. The fact is, we're almost a year removed from the initial drop of Mass Effect 3. Would it be practical, or even possible, to salvage what's left? I don't think so. 

It could be done.

I suspect that a game expansion or a particularly long DLC, (proportionally more expensive), could be successful.

Imagine an expansion/DLC were we see the Shepard’s companions adventurous return to earth, with the bonus of finally finding what happened to their famous commander upon their return, (and having a brief reunion, if she was still alive):

“Follow the crew of the Normandy in their last, epic, journey.Play as Liara, or Garrus, in an electrifying adventure, as the Normandy traverses the dangerous Hades nebula in their way back to Earth. Learn how they discover Shepard’s fate. Battle the mysterious and vicious <insert cool & alien name> and uncover their terrible secret. “

I don't mean to be rude but that sounds like a terrible idea.

Journeying back to Earth so your crew can learn what cowardly fate Shepard met? No, thanks. 

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I respect your motives but, you will notice that many people do want a clarification regarding Shepard's fate and, if possible, a reunion, regardless of the events occurring during the audience with the “glowing one.” This implies that a separation between those two sets of events is possible in the minds of many, even if obviously, not of everyone.

Therefore, a DLC with the reunion bonus in the final would be a way to work around some of Bioware's self-imposed limitations, to fix one specific problem; a way to provide the clarification and closure many crave regarding Shepard’s fate, while not making a specific DLC just to expand the endings.

[CaIIisto]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Bester76 wrote...

LOL

RGB FTW!

Seriously, who dream't that sh*t up. Oh we already know....

I really don't get how they could go from saying you won't get ABC to giving us RGB.  When really in ME3, they left out all of the G choices anyway.

Well to be fair, we didn't get an ABC ending, we got an RGB ending. That is just about the ONLY way that I can't take what they originally told us as an outright lie.

[luchozuca]

 100% agree with OP.Although at this point and looking at the last Bioware blog post about changes to multiplayer, i can see that following the way they are taking ME universe into might aswell rename the game to Battlfield Effect 3 or something like that.You can also see how much they don't care about the story anymore when in the end of the said post it says "we will be unlocking new kits and other surprises each week to help your squad in that next big push against the Collectors"... i know this new DLC will be about getting the Collectors back (ony in MP and breaking the lore), but isn't Mass Effect 3 about defeating the Reapers? Did i miss something here?

Bioware/EA fail to undestand what they did here, people come to these forums to vent their rage not because they hate ME, but because we love it and don't want to see it go down like this.

[Chardonney]

luchozuca wrote...

Bioware/EA fail to undestand what they did here, people come to these forums to vent their rage not because they hate ME, but because we love it and don't want to see it go down like this.

Yes, that is so true.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Fredvdp wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

futurepixels wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Why leave Shepard's story so open-ended and ambigious if you don't have any plans to follow up on it? 

This is a VERY good question, and Bioware should answer it, Chris.

I do not feel it is open ended. In most endings Shepard dies. Hard to be more definitive than death. I think people who cling to hope that there will be more see "open ended ambiguity" where it doesn't exist.

I got enough closure when Shepard made his final decision, whether he died or not. The story started when they discovered the warnings on Eden Prime about the Reapers, and the story ends when Shepard decides how to deal with it. What Shepard does after he made his decision seems irrelevant to me.

And with that statement from Chris, the future DLC for ME3 is dead. Bioware just died for me. It is obvious they're headed toward indie gameville. They can keep their dark endings. I'm moving on. It was a nice ride all these years. I'll be over at HTL forums. www.holdtheline.com There are other games coming up from other companies we discuss over there as well.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 08 octobre 2012 - 05:24 .

[V-rcingetorix]

Sooo...the past 2 game endings mean..Shepard dies? No closure? A bit trolltastic, I know, but the EC wasn't good enough.

EDIT: No offense intended Mr Priestly, you've been a good sport about all the flack from the forums. But having Shep dead...there's 5 years of gaming I can't feel good about.

Modifié par V-rcingetorix, 08 octobre 2012 - 05:37 .

[luchozuca]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

futurepixels wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Why leave Shepard's story so open-ended and ambigious if you don't have any plans to follow up on it? 

This is a VERY good question, and Bioware should answer it, Chris.

I do not feel it is open ended. In most endings Shepard dies. Hard to be more definitive than death. I think people who cling to hope that there will be more see "open ended ambiguity" where it doesn't exist.

I got enough closure when Shepard made his final decision, whether he died or not. The story started when they discovered the warnings on Eden Prime about the Reapers, and the story ends when Shepard decides how to deal with it. What Shepard does after he made his decision seems irrelevant to me.

What is not open and ambiguous about the breathing sequence after you choose destroy having enough EMS?
I hoped that one would be removed with the EC or at least expanded upon... neither of those two happened, and it leaves you even more WTFing after you play the ending with EC, even moreso because the clip appears after you hear the prologue from Hackett...

[CaIIisto]

luchozuca wrote...
100% agree with OP.Although at this point and looking at the last Bioware blog post about changes to multiplayer, i can see that following the way they are taking ME universe into might aswell rename the game to Battlfield Effect 3 or something like that.You can also see how much they don't care about the story anymore when in the end of the said post it says "we will be unlocking new kits and other surprises each week to help your squad in that next big push against the Collectors"... i know this new DLC will be about getting the Collectors back (ony in MP and breaking the lore), but isn't Mass Effect 3 about defeating the Reapers? Did i miss something here?

Bioware/EA fail to undestand what they did here, people come to these forums to vent their rage not because they hate ME, but because we love it and don't want to see it go down like this.

Based on the last XBL activity rankings, ME3 MP wasn't even in the top 20 - being beaten by the likes of GTA IV and Halo 3 which have been out for about 5 years....

[TheShadowWolf911]

Jim Sterling ladies and gentlemen, has a opinion on the matter.

[Chardonney]

V-rcingetorix wrote...

Sooo...the past 2 game endings mean..Shepard dies? No closure? A bit trolltastic, I know, but the EC wasn't good enough.

EDIT: No offense intended Mr Priestly, you've been a good sport about all the flack from the forums. But having Shep dead...there's 5 years of gaming I can't feel good about.

Yes. After all these years, all the hours, all the devotion, all that emotional investment... it's just not enough. We deserve better and so does Shep.