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[Iakus]

wantedman dan wrote...

vallore wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...



Ambiguity is the antithesis of closure. What we have here is a fundamental failure on multiple levels of the Bioware heirarchy. The very fact they don't acknowledge it is a failure in and of itself. 

When game publishers focus more on the elite journalists and their reviews over what the fans want, we have a problem. Bioware is the exact epitome of this problem. The fact is, we're almost a year removed from the initial drop of Mass Effect 3. Would it be practical, or even possible, to salvage what's left? I don't think so. 

It could be done.

I suspect that a game expansion or a particularly long DLC, (proportionally more expensive), could be successful.

Imagine an expansion/DLC were we see the Shepard’s companions adventurous return to earth, with the bonus of finally finding what happened to their famous commander upon their return, (and having a brief reunion, if she was still alive):

“Follow the crew of the Normandy in their last, epic, journey.Play as Liara, or Garrus, in an electrifying adventure, as the Normandy traverses the dangerous Hades nebula in their way back to Earth. Learn how they discover Shepard’s fate. Battle the mysterious and vicious <insert cool & alien name> and uncover their terrible secret. “

I don't mean to be rude but that sounds like a terrible idea.

Journeying back to Earth so your crew can learn what cowardly fate Shepard met? No, thanks. 

For myself, finally getting some sort of confirmation of Shepard's survival and seeing how the galaxy picking up the pieces after the war, and adjusting to the changes the ending brought upon the galaxy, could induce me to reinstall the game.

[Iakus]

Chardonney wrote...

V-rcingetorix wrote...

Sooo...the past 2 game endings mean..Shepard dies? No closure? A bit trolltastic, I know, but the EC wasn't good enough.

EDIT: No offense intended Mr Priestly, you've been a good sport about all the flack from the forums. But having Shep dead...there's 5 years of gaming I can't feel good about.

Yes. After all these years, all the hours, all the devotion, all that emotional investment... it's just not enough. We deserve better and so does Shep.

Nothing says "Your choices matter" in a game quite like having unavoidable death at the end

/sarcasm

Modifié par iakus, 08 octobre 2012 - 06:17 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

luchozuca wrote...

Fredvdp wrote...

Chris Priestly wrote...

futurepixels wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Why leave Shepard's story so open-ended and ambigious if you don't have any plans to follow up on it? 

This is a VERY good question, and Bioware should answer it, Chris.

I do not feel it is open ended. In most endings Shepard dies. Hard to be more definitive than death. I think people who cling to hope that there will be more see "open ended ambiguity" where it doesn't exist.

I got enough closure when Shepard made his final decision, whether he died or not. The story started when they discovered the warnings on Eden Prime about the Reapers, and the story ends when Shepard decides how to deal with it. What Shepard does after he made his decision seems irrelevant to me.

What is not open and ambiguous about the breathing sequence after you choose destroy having enough EMS?
I hoped that one would be removed with the EC or at least expanded upon... neither of those two happened, and it leaves you even more WTFing after you play the ending with EC, even moreso because the clip appears after you hear the prologue from Hackett...

FIXED. I absolutely hated the endings in both original and EC form. I never got any closure. I don't want to be misquoted on one of my last posts here.

[Chardonney]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

FIXED. I absolutely hated the endings in both original and EC form. I never got any closure. I don't want to be misquoted on one of my last posts here.

Are you leaving us/moving on?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Chardonney wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

FIXED. I absolutely hated the endings in both original and EC form. I never got any closure. I don't want to be misquoted on one of my last posts here.

Are you leaving us/moving on?

I am very seriously considering. It has been a nice ride. I am saddened by the whole thing. Bioware is no longer the game company it once was. This Mass Effect Trilogy has been an exercise in futility with the final chapter. IMO the last chapter was a disaster.

The series is ending with ME2 for me. I love the characters in the story, but the third installment is just too much of a downer.

There is no chance that Bioware is going to change the ending. There is no chance I'm going to buy any DLC for ME3. This is the only game in the series that I'm trading in. I have no desire to play it again. It is the only game I've played that zapped any desire to even play an arcade game for two weeks.

The last two game titles I've gotten from BW have been DA2 and ME3. Both had grim/dark endings that left you with the feeling of "huh?" IMO they need to find direction. I probably won't be getting DA3 unless it's a blockbuster and we won't know that for a month or two, will we?

One can trash the ending of a story only so long before it sounds like a broken record, and begins to be a waste of time. But I'll probably post once in a while. Just not as frequently. I'm moving on. I don't want to lose touch so I'll send you a FR.

[wantedman dan]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

I am very seriously considering.

Do it.

I did--and sold my copy to boot. I'm just here for teh lulz now.

[Chardonney]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Chardonney wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

FIXED. I absolutely hated the endings in both original and EC form. I never got any closure. I don't want to be misquoted on one of my last posts here.

Are you leaving us/moving on?

I am very seriously considering. It has been a nice ride. I am saddened by the whole thing. Bioware is no longer the game company it once was. This Mass Effect Trilogy has been an exercise in futility with the final chapter. IMO the last chapter was a disaster.

The series is ending with ME2 for me. I love the characters in the story, but the third installment is just too much of a downer.

There is no chance that Bioware is going to change the ending. There is no chance I'm going to buy any DLC for ME3. This is the only game in the series that I'm trading in. I have no desire to play it again. It is the only game I've played that zapped any desire to even play an arcade game for two weeks.

The last two game titles I've gotten from BW have been DA2 and ME3. Both had grim/dark endings that left you with the feeling of "huh?" IMO they need to find direction. I probably won't be getting DA3 unless it's a blockbuster and we won't know that for a month or two, will we?

One can trash the ending of a story only so long before it sounds like a broken record, and begins to be a waste of time. But I'll probably post once in a while. Just not as frequently. I'm moving on. I don't want to lose touch so I'll send you a FR.

FR accepted.


I can understand your decision. This can get tiresome and the way BW keeps treating it's fans... *sigh* ...it's not pretty. Well, we'll continue to keep the fort up. Hopefully, in the long run, we can finally achieve something... maybe.

Modifié par Chardonney, 08 octobre 2012 - 07:15 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

and i suppose I can post while I'm on hold for 30 minutes for tech support on my computer... lolz

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 08 octobre 2012 - 07:22 .

[AresKeith]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

and i suppose I can post while I'm on hold for 30 minutes for tech support on my computer... lolz

Don't leave us

[Xellith]

I have to confess. I logged in to do the operation. Then I logged out because I was already bored.

[JosieRevisited]

Probably been said before (I can't be arsed to read the whole thread at this point), but I wouldn't have minded a Shepard death so much if we hadn't already had one. At least then it would have been somewhat believable - but at this point, with all the Shepard has survived, the Bioware comments just ring hollow. How can Death be the definitive ending when we already HAD a death, and it wasn't a definitive ending?

[3DandBeyond]

TheShadowWolf911 wrote...



Jim Sterling ladies and gentlemen, has a opinion on the matter.

A real voice of reason.  I agree that you can't label all complaints as just whining-you seriously have to look at the validity of the complaint to see what's going on.  And BW did decide rather quickly to clarify the crap they created with some parts that not even a genius could have extrapolated from what they showed in the original endings, because they never meant for those things to originally take place.  So, if they were willing to "change" the endings, then they were not that invested in what they once stated was their art and what many fans have cried out and said is their IP.  They had not even fully decided what the endings were.

So now in asking for something more, all we're asking for is that the game continue to mature upon a course of final fulfillment.  Something that should have happened at the very least, but is perhaps now the best we can hope for.  It's not enough certainly, but it may help in some small way.

[3DandBeyond]

JosieRevisited wrote...

Probably been said before (I can't be arsed to read the whole thread at this point), but I wouldn't have minded a Shepard death so much if we hadn't already had one. At least then it would have been somewhat believable - but at this point, with all the Shepard has survived, the Bioware comments just ring hollow. How can Death be the definitive ending when we already HAD a death, and it wasn't a definitive ending?

This is the real point for me.  Shepard has literally been crapped on throughout 3 games.  The supposed genius brain trust of the galaxy thought Shepard was an idiot having hallucinations (good idea give the crazy person free rein to do anything s/he wants to do).  Shepard's been shot, insulted, has sacrificed any sort of a real life for an ungrateful galaxy that couldn't even be bothered to save their own lives, and has even died for them once already.  Shepard sold millions of games for BW and a heck of a lot of DLC.  So, of course the only real way to say thank you is by at best leaving Shepard as a torso in rubble.

[3DandBeyond]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Chardonney wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

FIXED. I absolutely hated the endings in both original and EC form. I never got any closure. I don't want to be misquoted on one of my last posts here.

Are you leaving us/moving on?

I am very seriously considering. It has been a nice ride. I am saddened by the whole thing. Bioware is no longer the game company it once was. This Mass Effect Trilogy has been an exercise in futility with the final chapter. IMO the last chapter was a disaster.

The series is ending with ME2 for me. I love the characters in the story, but the third installment is just too much of a downer.

There is no chance that Bioware is going to change the ending. There is no chance I'm going to buy any DLC for ME3. This is the only game in the series that I'm trading in. I have no desire to play it again. It is the only game I've played that zapped any desire to even play an arcade game for two weeks.

The last two game titles I've gotten from BW have been DA2 and ME3. Both had grim/dark endings that left you with the feeling of "huh?" IMO they need to find direction. I probably won't be getting DA3 unless it's a blockbuster and we won't know that for a month or two, will we?

One can trash the ending of a story only so long before it sounds like a broken record, and begins to be a waste of time. But I'll probably post once in a while. Just not as frequently. I'm moving on. I don't want to lose touch so I'll send you a FR.

I'm wondering what you'd get in trade--if they're accepting them right now.  I know Game Stop and Best Buy weren't.  I don't think Amazon is, either.

[Kel Riever]

Target prices:

Skyrim $60
Mass Effect 3 $30

That's all the comparing I can give.

I will say this: ME3 MP has, as far as I am concerned, eclipsed SP. I don't consider that a shame for MP mode...hey, good job! But it certainly is a shame (and one that could be fixed, even if BioWare refuses to out of some insane agenda) for what could have been the best story in video game rpgs to date.

[CrimsonNephilim]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Chardonney wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

FIXED. I absolutely hated the endings in both original and EC form. I never got any closure. I don't want to be misquoted on one of my last posts here.

Are you leaving us/moving on?

I am very seriously considering. It has been a nice ride. I am saddened by the whole thing. Bioware is no longer the game company it once was. This Mass Effect Trilogy has been an exercise in futility with the final chapter. IMO the last chapter was a disaster.

The series is ending with ME2 for me. I love the characters in the story, but the third installment is just too much of a downer.

There is no chance that Bioware is going to change the ending. There is no chance I'm going to buy any DLC for ME3. This is the only game in the series that I'm trading in. I have no desire to play it again. It is the only game I've played that zapped any desire to even play an arcade game for two weeks.

The last two game titles I've gotten from BW have been DA2 and ME3. Both had grim/dark endings that left you with the feeling of "huh?" IMO they need to find direction. I probably won't be getting DA3 unless it's a blockbuster and we won't know that for a month or two, will we?

One can trash the ending of a story only so long before it sounds like a broken record, and begins to be a waste of time. But I'll probably post once in a while. Just not as frequently. I'm moving on. I don't want to lose touch so I'll send you a FR.

I know how you feel.

It has been months since ME3 was released and the backlash of the endings started. Bioware has dug their heels in and from what we can gather from their responses and stance on the endings in interviews and threads on here, they have no intention on adding onto the endings so we can have a decent ending for Shepard and his/her crew.  They view their take on the endings as "artisitc", and they plan on keeping them that way.

We can voice our opinions as much as we want, but given the amount of time we have been doing this and their lack of concern for our views on how they end this series, they aren't going to change their minds. The EC was Bioware's idea of soothing the fire when we lashed out and told them that the endings were no way to end this series. They wanted Shepard's story done, and they made sure of that, even if it is in our opinions, the worst way to do so.

I'm not interested in their upcoming Mass Effect game. Be it prequel or sequel, there isn't a point in either one. A prequel is pointless because we already know how it all ends. A sequel is just as pointless because in order for one to happen they will have to retcon an ending which completely destroys the whole idea of us making the decisions we've made throughout the series (which 3 has already done).

Modifié par CrimsonNephilim, 08 octobre 2012 - 08:15 .

[CaIIisto]

CrimsonNephilim wrote...
I'm not interested in their upcoming Mass Effect game. Be it prequel or sequel, there isn't a point in either one. A prequel is pointless because we already know how it all ends. A sequel is just as pointless because in order for one to happen they will have to retcon an ending which completely destroys the whole idea of us making the decisions we've made throughout the series (which 3 has already done).

It's really difficult to imagine BW screwing up any more if they'd tried. 

Seriously, in terms of fail, ME3's last 10 minutes was just about as epic as it could possibly get. 

[hiraeth]

Yeah, it's sad but I seriously doubt that Bioware is going to do anything about the ending. I don't know how the same people who created the series can let it end that way, but this isn't the first time that self-absorbed developers screw their fans over and I'm sure it won't be the last.

It's hard to believe that it's been 7 months since I first played the ending- I'm still just as shocked, if not more, at how completely botched and absurd the ending is. It just doesn't make sense...at all. I can dance in circles around the Catalyst with his f***ed up logic til the cows come home and I will still never understand why the game ended the way it did. They threw Shepard under the bus at the last minute, mixed in 10-minute ambiguous/flowery/wordy dialogue with a character we've never met to distract us from the lazy storytelling, and then covered the whole package in half-a**ed random powerpoint slides (that weren't even part of the original ending) so fans who wanted closure would shut up. 

Artistic integrity my a**.

Modifié par MassEffectFShep, 08 octobre 2012 - 08:55 .

[Xellith]

MassEffectFShep wrote...

Yeah, it's sad but I seriously doubt that Bioware is going to do anything about the ending. I don't know how the same people who created the series can let it end that way, but this isn't the first time that self-absorbed developers screw their fans over and I'm sure it won't be the last.

It's hard to believe that it's been 7 months since I first played the ending- I'm still just as shocked, if not more, at how completely botched and absurd the ending is. It just doesn't make sense...at all. I can dance in circles around the Catalyst with his f***ed up logic til the cows come home and I will still never understand why the game ended the way it did. They threw Shepard under the bus at the last minute, mixed in 10-minute ambiguous/flowery/wordy dialogue with a character we've never met to distract us from the lazy storytelling, and then covered the whole package in half-a**ed random powerpoint slides (that weren't even part of the original ending) so fans who wanted closure would shut up. 

Artistic integrity my a**.

It never stops hurting. It just gets easier every day.

[Peranor]

Xellith wrote...

I have to confess. I logged in to do the operation. Then I logged out because I was already bored.

I got bored of the muliplayer already during the ME3 demo 
I've never been able to see what people find so great about it.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I'm on hold again. ... it looks like it's a long day. Software installation... prior account authorization.. I need to get an account merger done. Bah.

About the only way I can see a sequel is with Elephant Theory. Seriously. Or set it so far out in the future like 1000 years that the choices in the ending don't even matter. They don't even have to pick a canon then. They can justify what ever. Control? Reapers gone to dark space and took the husks with them. Synthesis? Reapers gone to dark space and took the husks with them. Destroy? Tech got developed that incorporates all the benefits that everyone would have gotten in synthesis -- people get cybernetic implants as a routine, and the galaxy is totally rebuilt. The Citadel was moved back to the nebula. Start a new character and there's no import. Does it mean I'll buy it? No.

But this last one, really? Pfft. Just kill off my heroine I spent 1200 hrs with like she was nothing after a 4 hr long emotional beat down (the last four hours of the story). Then give me the choices from hell. Svetlana Shepard. Never forget. But not for me. Svettie's moved in Liara's apartment on Illium after screwing over The Illusive Man. She's got a stolen Cerberus frigate, a loyal merc band of bad asses, and she just told the Alliance to kiss her ass. "Ah, yes. 'Reapers." We've dismissed that myth."

Season 3 just got cancelled.

[Xamufam]

Here is a god analysis

ME3: Extended Cut Analysis

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Troxa, 08 octobre 2012 - 10:21 .

[Lunch Box1912]

Is this Biowares attempt at the watchmen scenario only instead of doing something terrible to promote peace they create a terrible ending so no matter what they do next it’s an improvement?

Kind of like putting David Lee Roth in Howard Sterns old slot, just so you won’t hate the fact that you still don’t get Howard Stern on your local FM station after they finally fire Roth?

Was this it, they were to afraid of the possibility’s… to overcome what could have been… so we get this?
The world must know!! Rorschach!!!

Modifié par Lunch Box1912, 09 octobre 2012 - 12:14 .

[N7 Lisbeth]

Lunch Box1912 wrote...

Was this it, they were to afraid of the possibility’s… to overcome what could have been… so we get this?
The world must know!! Rorschach!!!

BSN. I'm not trapped in here with Bioware. Bioware is trapped in here with me!

[darkway1]

LOL...BSN,it's like an asylum for Mass fans.