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[GhostShadow115]

Well it was a nice read. Let's hope Bioware listens.

Modifié par GhostShadow115, 31 août 2012 - 11:12 .

[ld1449]

GhostShadow115 wrote...

Well it was a nice read. Let's hope Bioware listens.

Seen it.

By the by, seeing as how you like infiltrators. What do you think is better, The Widow or Black Widow? More power, or the increased ability to hit something unless you're the most ridiculous crack shot popping off heads with every bullet.

[Hulk Hsieh]

JPR1964 wrote...
Accepting any solution from Starbrat is simply accepting to sell his soul to the devil. This rogue IA just murdered countless organics on the account of his ridiculous logic.

I think the reason that Shepard should make a choice is that the IA finally understand his logic is flawed and can only rely on Shepard since it is a limited machine and can't decide how to correct the flaw.

[GhostShadow115]

ld1449 wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...

Well it was a nice read. Let's hope Bioware listens.

Seen it.

By the by, seeing as how you like infiltrators. What do you think is better, The Widow or Black Widow? More power, or the increased ability to hit something unless you're the most ridiculous crack shot popping off heads with every bullet.

M-98 Widow. It just feels so satisfying to see heads explode, and it makes me really cautious with that one bullet.

Modifié par GhostShadow115, 31 août 2012 - 11:27 .

[obZen DF]

A thing that I think is pretty annoying is that IF this was DA related and posted into the DA2 forums, there would be a Bioware developer commenting at least on every page. The DA team communicates with their fanbase, almost every thread has a dev talking with the fans. Do the devs know what the fans want?

Yes.

But in the ME forums, only Chris Priestly is present, and the only time when he speaks is when he locks a thread. Come on, way to go to communicate with your fanbase Bioware!
Why aren't you guys coming out of your shells and talk with us?
What was your intention with ME3? What happened? Do you listen to feedback? Do you consider what the fans want for DLC? Like a Romance-related DLC pack? Do you know that thread exists?

We don't know.

[Xellith]

GhostShadow115 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...

Well it was a nice read. Let's hope Bioware listens.

Seen it.

By the by, seeing as how you like infiltrators. What do you think is better, The Widow or Black Widow? More power, or the increased ability to hit something unless you're the most ridiculous crack shot popping off heads with every bullet.

M-98 Widow. It just feels so satisfying to see heads explode, and it makes me really cautious with that one bullet.

I prefer the black widow.  3 Bullets or1 bullet it doesnt really matter.  I still miss a lot so I'd rather have the 3

[Chardonney]

ld1449 wrote...

Then, when taking the endings themselves at face value, all of them end with Shepards death (even destruction is painted this way with the Catalyst saying "even you are partly synthetic"

I disagree but we're all allowed to our own opinion about it and I respect that. I, personally, see Shep surviving; she does survive a.k.a the breath scene. Either the synthetic parts weren't so dominant that in the end her body was able to function without them or during time her body had healed enough and become strong enough to function without them. Or heck... maybe even some miracle happened... who knows... but for me, Shep lives and always will.

obZen DF wrote...

Why aren't you guys coming out of your shells and talk with us?
What
was your intention with ME3? What happened? Do you listen to feedback?
Do you consider what the fans want for DLC? Like a Romance-related DLC
pack? Do you know that thread exists?

Also, one more BUMP for BioWare.

Modifié par Chardonney, 31 août 2012 - 11:36 .

[Archonsg]

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

robarcool wrote...The endings are final. Personally, I don't like it, but I have accepted this fact. Move on to a new game, or play multiplayer. You will feel better. I haven't played SP since last 3-4 months lol.

The endings are like a scar. They take years to heal.

I have been playing MP, a lot (I have about 17,000 EMS from my N7 asset alone) , since it still allows me to play in the ME universe and take a wait and see where SP will finally end up.

I would like however to close the series on a note that is neither nihilistic nor illogical by accepting options given by the Catalyst since now Shepard KNOWS FOR SURE that the AI is insane / flawed and its "solution" was a mistake.

Allow the refuse ending to end with a conventional victory that does not require a death from any of the primary characters.
Leviathan showed that there is a flaw with the Reapers, allow Shepard to use it to win the fight for earth on his or her own terms.

[Memnon]

GhostShadow115 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...

Well it was a nice read. Let's hope Bioware listens.

Seen it.

By the by, seeing as how you like infiltrators. What do you think is better, The Widow or Black Widow? More power, or the increased ability to hit something unless you're the most ridiculous crack shot popping off heads with every bullet.

M-98 Widow. It just feels so satisfying to see heads explode, and it makes me really cautious with that one bullet.

Fully upgraded Black Widow is probably better for gold+ though due to shieldgate

[GhostShadow115]

Stornskar wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...

Well it was a nice read. Let's hope Bioware listens.

Seen it.

By the by, seeing as how you like infiltrators. What do you think is better, The Widow or Black Widow? More power, or the increased ability to hit something unless you're the most ridiculous crack shot popping off heads with every bullet.

M-98 Widow. It just feels so satisfying to see heads explode, and it makes me really cautious with that one bullet.

Fully upgraded Black Widow is probably better for gold+ though due to shieldgate

I 100% Agree with this.But I just like the feel of the M-98 Widow more. Makes me count every single bullet I take. When I play with the Black Widow I just become more clumsy.

@Xellith: Make those shots count soldier.

Modifié par GhostShadow115, 31 août 2012 - 11:50 .

[darthoptimus003]

Archonsg wrote...

ZeCollectorDestroya wrote...

robarcool wrote...The endings are final. Personally, I don't like it, but I have accepted this fact. Move on to a new game, or play multiplayer. You will feel better. I haven't played SP since last 3-4 months lol.

The endings are like a scar. They take years to heal.

I have been playing MP, a lot (I have about 17,000 EMS from my N7 asset alone) , since it still allows me to play in the ME universe and take a wait and see where SP will finally end up.

I would like however to close the series on a note that is neither nihilistic nor illogical by accepting options given by the Catalyst since now Shepard KNOWS FOR SURE that the AI is insane / flawed and its "solution" was a mistake.

Allow the refuse ending to end with a conventional victory that does not require a death from any of the primary characters.
Leviathan showed that there is a flaw with the Reapers, allow Shepard to use it to win the fight for earth on his or her own terms.

agreed and that is all that is really need a win refusal

[Emphyr]

@Op i agree.

Some time ago this was posted....(i love that posting!)
Read it carefully..

It was posted by Cheez.

http://social.biowar.../index/10662944

I still think that posting  was one off the best ever that was posted on BSN.

Modifié par Emphyr, 31 août 2012 - 11:59 .

[cynicalandbored]

A very very well written post OP. I hope Bioware listens.

[Ithurael]

Emphyr wrote...

@Op i agree.

Some time ago this was posted....(i love that posting!)
Read it carefully..

It was posted by Cheez.

http://social.biowar.../index/10662944

I still think that posting  was one off the best ever that was posted on BSN.

Wow! Hearing about how attached people became to this game - to this world - is amazing. I wonder what she thinks about EC - if anything.

[Archonsg]

Xellith wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...Well it was a nice read. Let's hope Bioware listens.

Seen it.By the by, seeing as how you like infiltrators. What do you think is better, The Widow or Black Widow? More power, or the increased ability to hit something unless you're the most ridiculous crack shot popping off heads with every bullet.

M-98 Widow. It just feels so satisfying to see heads explode, and it makes me really cautious with that one bullet.

I prefer the black widow.  3 Bullets or1 bullet it doesnt really matter.  I still miss a lot so I'd rather have the 3

Not to go off on an MP tangent, but if you have an Indra V and up, its much more viable especially on a Geth Infiltrator / Destroyer. More so if you use warp or Incendiary 4 ammo mods. The Indra also doubles up as a SMG (damage wise) in a pinch. Scoped, its a deadly face melter, boss killer, assuming you go with Extended barrel and Armor Piercing mod.

And... Back to our regular programming...

[StElmo]

hear hear, I would like a different ending.

[StElmo]

Snake91 wrote...

Chardonney wrote...

I fully agree with the OP. Listen BioWare, for once. One voice represents many.

[robertthebard]

inko1nsiderate wrote...

Calamity wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Why can't people that don't agree with the OP make their own thread? Why is there discussion on a thread addressed to Bioware and clearly the OP is leaving a message for Bioware.

It's ok not to agree but why not start your own thread with your thoughts?

After reading the OP and then the responses, I was thinking the same FX. Its why I started just quoting some of the good posts that are on topic. Trying to get past the hand full of peoples negativity. 

This is how every thread is.  Threads that are supposed to be a place where people who like the endings/synthesis/control/destroy can hang out and talk end up being people attacking the endings/synthesis/control/destry and a few people making localized attempts to defend against various arguments. The only thread that seems largely immune to this is the IT thread.

The only place I've found were I can get actual and productive discussion without a lot of useless and angry noise is in private messages.

Yeah, it's pretty funny too.  If you call somebody out on complaining in a "positive" thread, they don't hesitate to tell you that they can post in any topic they want to, it's a public forum.  But if you go in their threads, weee.  Not that 3D has asked me to not share my opinion in this thread, or any thread that I recall.  I tend to "attack" a position I don't agree with, or inquire about a position I don't understand.  I did such in this thread, with what I feel the "right thing" would be as opposed to the OP.  As to the endings, I stand by the question in my sig.

[N7Gold]

"the endings are genocide, totalitarianism, and forced eugenics, along with suicide."

We all should have seen this coming that Shepard might have to sacrifice his/her life to stop the Reapers. I had that feeling ever since the days before ME3 was released. As for the endings, they show that wars don't always offer you an easy path to victory, a lesson most people here seem to forget or ignore as they play the Mass Effect trilogy. Illusive Man knew this all along since ME2, hence his ruthless methods, and even our own squadmate Javik knows this. Characters like Garrus had to learn that the hard way when advising Victus on whether to continue defending Palaven or retreat to save dreadnoughts and fighters to defend the Crucible. Garrus noted that at that moment, he understood why ruthless people exist, because they don't flinch at the difficult choices, they know that if they hesitate, trillions lives will be lost when you hesitate than the thousand who you had a choice to sacrifice. If you choose the renegade dialogue, Shepard replies to Garrus's question if sacrificing lives to save more lives is necessary, Shepard would say if you choose it: "If it avoids mass extinction, what choice do we have?" That's what the Refuse ending is about, it's not a "screw you" from BioWare, you refused to use the Crucible, your only hope of stopping the Reapers even though it's been obvious to us since ME1 that the Reapers can't be defeated conventionally and everyone you've been fighting for has perished. The Leviathans are too arrogant, they won't fight alongside the "lesser races". So I suggest thinking twice about calling endings like the Destroy ending "genocide" when it's really about doing what's necessary for peace. How do you think war vetrans feel about the acitons and decisions they make? Do you think they liked their options? Why do you think some of them suffer from PTSD? If we knew what we did, we'd call them "murderers" without understanding that they had no other alternatives. So, to stop the Reapers and bring peace to the galaxy, you have to embrace your inner renegade to do so, hard as that may be, especially for players invested in the game and characters.

Shepard (to Harbinger in the ME2 DLC Arrival) (paragon dialogue): "Maybe you're right. Maybe we can't win this, but we'll fight you regardless, just like what we did to Sovereign. Just like I'm doing now. However insignificant we might be, we will fight, we will SACRIFICE, and we will find a way! That's what humans do!"

Modifié par N7Gold, 31 août 2012 - 01:34 .

[dorktainian]

they won't listen. shame but there you go.

[robertthebard]

Calamity wrote...

Ithurael wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

I like the endings as they are, maybe not exactly in excution but in that each one requires some compromise, some careful weighting the risk against the possible losses. But a straight happy ending wouldn't hurt me, unless it would be conventional victory.

So +1 to OP, as long as it is not just a simple conventional victory, invalidating the whole plot. Super high EMS destroy with dialogue indicating clearly that you have power over the Catalyst and targeting Reapers alone would work for me.

I do agree. Also, I would just love it in any future DLC where you can actually bring up the geth/quarian resolution (provided you made peace) to the star kid. Yeah he would deny it as something silly but at least it would lend credence to "Our choices matter"

That and a Harbinger bossfight.

Just want to throw this out there:

Can you imagine that if they made a ME4 and you had picked this ending when importing... Your old shep being the kind of "Adm Anderson" of ME4? That would be kinda cool. Gives a nod to ME1-3 but you are now starting a different characters story...

One look at the DA forums will answer how cool that wouldn't be with the majority of the community.  They positively don't like the idea.  Except for the US people, who know what happened to their Warden, and aren't confused in the least bit why we got Hawke for DA 2.  Of course, some of them still point to Origins, and then 2 to wonder where all these protagonists go.  From their perspective, after the backlash from that, and this is something else that I agree with, it would be better to just kill the protagonist off when their part of the story is done.  We were told that ME 3 was the end of Shepard's story.  I don't think it would "cool" to not stick to that.  We'll be getting all the "but it will be canonized to be one Shepard" posts, all the "but my canon Shep was FemShep/MShep", depending, so no.  Let Shepard die, it's the best possible outcome for any future projects in the ME Universe that aren't directly tied to this story.

[Xellith]

dorktainian wrote...

they won't listen. shame but there you go.

Bioware are prolly saying "but we ARE doing the right thing.  The right thing being whatever we want".