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[Conniving_Eagle]

ThaDPG wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

"We're more like the co-creators of Mass Effect." -Casey Hudson

So who were the creators?  because it wasn't us lol

I think he was talking about EA

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

Xellith wrote...

I guess one of the main reasons they do not wish to revisit the ending, is because they believe that if they have to fix that mess then people might just start asking for other aspects of the game to be fixed - like the abomination which is London.

They just dont view it as a comercially viable business strategy to fix the parts of the game that people consider idiotic/bad/terrible/retarded/etc.

Which is interesting when you look at the prices of ME3.

Mass Effect 3:
360: £21.96
PS3: £17.99
PC: £12.99

Mass Effect 2:
360: £15.33
PS3: £15.68
PC: £6.25

It could be nothing... but I feel like the prices indicate that there is something wrong with ME3. The price is ridiculously low for a new title.

They prolly made their profits just from the sheer number of copies sold.

It is like when a auto maker redesigns a popular model in a way customers don't like.  Then the last year of the prior styling becomes more popular than then new one.

[Mastone]

I am just staggered that people actually bought the leviathan DLC and still care about this.
ME is what kids nowadays would call epic fail, it was falling for a long time and it was a bit of a leap of faith of all of us to buy ME3 to bad our combined trust doesn't move Biowarea.
thing is they know, the people that worked on the game do care, it's only the suits upstairs that make the decisions.
I could forgive them for day 1 (mandatory)DLC, even the cheesy music in the cutscenes(*barf*), lack of choice or impact during the game, but after that disgrace of an ending or extended cut ( they are just as bad, the latter only explains why the **** smells) they won't get any money from me anymore........trust=gone!
That there are actually people who like ME3 is beyond my comprehension ( the same goes for starwars prequels and Indy 4), but to each is own, what I do find pathetic however is that there are people who played the game hated the ending ****ed and moaned for the past year about the ****ty job Bioware delivered and then buy DLC....if you are one of them please keep your silence in the future and don't complain about the fact that playing said DLC doesn't change the ending...you already knew this when you bought it..

And to stay on topic, you can ask beg steal and murder all you want about changing the ending, they won't change it , so stop caring I saw that Lucasarts is making a game that looks alot like mass effect( withouth the empty promises I might add) its called 1313

[dreman9999]

alleyd wrote...

Xellith wrote...

I guess one of the main reasons they do not wish to revisit the ending, is because they believe that if they have to fix that mess then people might just start asking for other aspects of the game to be fixed - like the abomination which is London.

They just dont view it as a comercially viable business strategy to fix the parts of the game that people consider idiotic/bad/terrible/retarded/etc.

Which is interesting when you look at the prices of ME3.

Mass Effect 3:
360: £21.96
PS3: £17.99
PC: £12.99

Mass Effect 2:
360: £15.33
PS3: £15.68
PC: £6.25

It could be nothing... but I feel like the prices indicate that there is something wrong with ME3. The price is ridiculously low for a new title.

They prolly made their profits just from the sheer number of copies sold.

The price dropped in the largest online retailer on the UK (Amazon) by 50% in the 3rd week of release back in March. I read that the same was true for Walmart in the US. I can't recall saying such a drop so quickly in a AAA game release cycle. 

ME2 Dropped in price quickly,too. If quick price drops means the game is not selling then that means games that bomb would be $10 by an end of a month.

[Mastone]

alleyd wrote...

Xellith wrote...

I guess one of the main reasons they do not wish to revisit the ending, is because they believe that if they have to fix that mess then people might just start asking for other aspects of the game to be fixed - like the abomination which is London.

They just dont view it as a comercially viable business strategy to fix the parts of the game that people consider idiotic/bad/terrible/retarded/etc.

Which is interesting when you look at the prices of ME3.

Mass Effect 3:
360: £21.96
PS3: £17.99
PC: £12.99

Mass Effect 2:
360: £15.33
PS3: £15.68
PC: £6.25

It could be nothing... but I feel like the prices indicate that there is something wrong with ME3. The price is ridiculously low for a new title.

They prolly made their profits just from the sheer number of copies sold.

The price dropped in the largest online retailer on the UK (Amazon) by 50% in the 3rd week of release back in March. I read that the same was true for Walmart in the US. I can't recall saying such a drop so quickly in a AAA game release cycle. 

yes but this could be explained in many ways, it could be part of their strategy ( this actually would be very sad, because this would indicate that Bioware knew that this would happen turned on the propaganda machine and cashed in as quickly as possible), it could  also be that they wanted to help the poor amongst us so they to can buy new videogames...yes  I am being sarcastic

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

Mastone wrote...

I am just staggered that people actually bought the leviathan DLC and still care about this.
ME is what kids nowadays would call epic fail, it was falling for a long time and it was a bit of a leap of faith of all of us to buy ME3 to bad our combined trust doesn't move Biowarea.
thing is they know, the people that worked on the game do care, it's only the suits upstairs that make the decisions.
I could forgive them for day 1 (mandatory)DLC, even the cheesy music in the cutscenes(*barf*), lack of choice or impact during the game, but after that disgrace of an ending or extended cut ( they are just as bad, the latter only explains why the **** smells) they won't get any money from me anymore........trust=gone!
That there are actually people who like ME3 is beyond my comprehension ( the same goes for starwars prequels and Indy 4), but to each is own, what I do find pathetic however is that there are people who played the game hated the ending ****ed and moaned for the past year about the ****ty job Bioware delivered and then buy DLC....if you are one of them please keep your silence in the future and don't complain about the fact that playing said DLC doesn't change the ending...you already knew this when you bought it..

And to stay on topic, you can ask beg steal and murder all you want about changing the ending, they won't change it , so stop caring I saw that Lucasarts is making a game that looks alot like mass effect( withouth the empty promises I might add) its called 1313

Thanks for that.  That game looks really good.  Like Omega, only grimier and even more seedy.  lol.

[ThaDPG]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

ThaDPG wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

"We're more like the co-creators of Mass Effect." -Casey Hudson

So who were the creators?  because it wasn't us lol

I think he was talking about EA

Ah, the whole thing becomes clear now

[3DandBeyond]

PuppiesOfDeath2 wrote...

Mastone wrote...

I am just staggered that people actually bought the leviathan DLC and still care about this.
ME is what kids nowadays would call epic fail, it was falling for a long time and it was a bit of a leap of faith of all of us to buy ME3 to bad our combined trust doesn't move Biowarea.
thing is they know, the people that worked on the game do care, it's only the suits upstairs that make the decisions.
I could forgive them for day 1 (mandatory)DLC, even the cheesy music in the cutscenes(*barf*), lack of choice or impact during the game, but after that disgrace of an ending or extended cut ( they are just as bad, the latter only explains why the **** smells) they won't get any money from me anymore........trust=gone!
That there are actually people who like ME3 is beyond my comprehension ( the same goes for starwars prequels and Indy 4), but to each is own, what I do find pathetic however is that there are people who played the game hated the ending ****ed and moaned for the past year about the ****ty job Bioware delivered and then buy DLC....if you are one of them please keep your silence in the future and don't complain about the fact that playing said DLC doesn't change the ending...you already knew this when you bought it..

And to stay on topic, you can ask beg steal and murder all you want about changing the ending, they won't change it , so stop caring I saw that Lucasarts is making a game that looks alot like mass effect( withouth the empty promises I might add) its called 1313

Thanks for that.  That game looks really good.  Like Omega, only grimier and even more seedy.  lol.

Yes 1313 looks very interesting.  I thank you too.

I will say it is more of an action game rather than RPG-I do like both.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 31 août 2012 - 05:42 .

[Koranis.W]

Pity it's Star Wars. I hate Star Wars. To much of Space Magic.

[clennon8]

Mastone wrote...

I am just staggered that people actually bought the leviathan DLC and still care about this.
ME is what kids nowadays would call epic fail, it was falling for a long time and it was a bit of a leap of faith of all of us to buy ME3 to bad our combined trust doesn't move Biowarea.
thing is they know, the people that worked on the game do care, it's only the suits upstairs that make the decisions.
I could forgive them for day 1 (mandatory)DLC, even the cheesy music in the cutscenes(*barf*), lack of choice or impact during the game, but after that disgrace of an ending or extended cut ( they are just as bad, the latter only explains why the **** smells) they won't get any money from me anymore........trust=gone!
That there are actually people who like ME3 is beyond my comprehension ( the same goes for starwars prequels and Indy 4), but to each is own, what I do find pathetic however is that there are people who played the game hated the ending ****ed and moaned for the past year about the ****ty job Bioware delivered and then buy DLC....if you are one of them please keep your silence in the future and don't complain about the fact that playing said DLC doesn't change the ending...you already knew this when you bought it.. 

I absolutely agree with you on this.  Anyone who bought Leviathan has pretty much surrendered their right to complain about the endings.  If you were complaining about ME3 before and bought Leviathan anyway, then you are a weakling.  Don't even try to rationalize it.  You are a sucker and you gave in.

As I've said before (perhaps not in so many words) I would like to see ME3 die in a pile of rubble.  Poetic, eh?  For my part, I will not be buying Leviathan or any damn DLC that comes along.  I can only hope enough other people share the fortitude to do the same.

Modifié par clennon8, 31 août 2012 - 05:54 .

[DoomNation]

Koranis.W wrote...

Pity it's Star Wars. I hate Star Wars. To much of Space Magic.

Yeah. I hate space magic too. Especially the green kind.

[mauro2222]

JPR1964 wrote...

It seems to me that most of the people who choose Destroy it's just because Sheppard can survive and "bang" his LI later later : they overlook the fact that they genocide an entire race doing that... And just this, nullify the destroy option as real moral choive...

I can understand them anyway...

JPR out!

Maybe, but I felt like **** after that.

I used Legion's tomb as personal bathroom, and pretty much stabbed EDI in the back. Some people don't like EDI due to the sexbot, but that damn character made me smile like a madman. I cried, I killed a friend, a non-existant one, but a friend regardless.

Modifié par mauro2222, 31 août 2012 - 05:52 .

[PuppiesOfDeath2]

clennon8 wrote...

Mastone wrote...

I am just staggered that people actually bought the leviathan DLC and still care about this.
ME is what kids nowadays would call epic fail, it was falling for a long time and it was a bit of a leap of faith of all of us to buy ME3 to bad our combined trust doesn't move Biowarea.
thing is they know, the people that worked on the game do care, it's only the suits upstairs that make the decisions.
I could forgive them for day 1 (mandatory)DLC, even the cheesy music in the cutscenes(*barf*), lack of choice or impact during the game, but after that disgrace of an ending or extended cut ( they are just as bad, the latter only explains why the **** smells) they won't get any money from me anymore........trust=gone!
That there are actually people who like ME3 is beyond my comprehension ( the same goes for starwars prequels and Indy 4), but to each is own, what I do find pathetic however is that there are people who played the game hated the ending ****ed and moaned for the past year about the ****ty job Bioware delivered and then buy DLC....if you are one of them please keep your silence in the future and don't complain about the fact that playing said DLC doesn't change the ending...you already knew this when you bought it.. 

I absolutely agree with you on this.  Anyone who bought Leviathan has pretty much surrendered their right to complain about the endings.  If you were complaining about ME3 before and bought Leviathan anyway, then you are a weakling.  Don't even try to rationalize it.  You are a sucker and you gave in.

As I've said before (perhaps not in so many words) I would like to see ME3 die in a pile of rubble.  Poetic, eh?  For my part, I will not be buying Leviathan or any damn DLC that comes along.  I can only hope enough other people share the fortitude to do the same.

I do.  And I think it is an effective protest.

[London]

Thank you, OP for sharing your thoughts. I completely agree. Even with the EC which made things slightly better, the endings have ruined my will to keep playing ME. I had hoped to start from ME1, but I really just can't do it.

I also removed DA and DA2 from my computer, as despite different teams / whatever, I really am cautious about future Bioware titles.

[Warrior Craess]

saracen16 wrote...

GhostShadow115 wrote...

Add in the fact that after the synthesis ending, why wouldn't people make syntheics? And would those synthetics rebel againts their creators? Well guess yes because Starkid logic.

The line between synthetics and organics blur, and given the perfection of technology, synthetics don't need to be created because, well, synthetics and organics are now one and the same: synthites.

Plus the ultimate plothole:
Starkid basically created the reapers, and the created always rebel againts the creator in his logic. Just fruit for thought.

The Reapers are his tools. He isn't above them. He IS them. He literally states this in the game: "I embody the collective intelligence of all Reapers."

And you call yourself a fan...

lol perfection of technology?  Seriously? 

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha. 

hmm you must not be paying attention to the levi DLC.... the "intelligence" was created before the Reapers. Therefor the SC is not in fact a reaper. He did create them as his solution to the problem. Inevitably the reapers should rebel against the star child (by his logic)

Which brings us right back to


 

Modifié par Warrior Craess, 31 août 2012 - 06:22 .

[Dorje Sylas]

*edit* ah ya fixed the image

Frankly if it hasn't been made crystal clear to Bioware and EA executive teams at this point it never will. All we can hope for is that EA and Bioware both tank and need to sell off their various franchises to other companies. EA is already trying to buy back its public stock and go private again. (IMO a good choice as Wall Street investors rarely understand how to run a successful game company)

Then maybe we can see a reboot of ME that does a better job weaving the plot through all three games without falling back on really tired and never quality tropes like ancient children given exposition.

Modifié par Dorje Sylas, 31 août 2012 - 06:24 .

[Tamayah]

OP, hopefully bioware will listen. As, for me I haven't played the Mass Effect Series since I originally ended Mass Effect 3. I just you tube and watch others walk through nowadays...

On another note, I'm treating the ME3 ending as "The Hulk 2003" movie, just saying...

[saracen16]

Warrior Craess wrote...

hmm you must not be paying attention to the levi DLC.... the "intelligence" was created before the Reapers. Therefor the SC is not in fact a reaper. He did create them as his solution to the problem. Inevitably the reapers should rebel against the star child (by his logic)

And yet he begins to embody them. When he IS the Reapers, the Reapers can't rebel against him, no?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I don't know at page 36 in this thread what more can be said. We're now going into September. The first single player DLC has been released. I don't count the EC as DLC since it only "clarified" a cluster**** into less of a cluster****. Bioware is as intransigent as ever about the ending.

The ending which imposed three choices, all of which met the goals of the reaper AI, which we now know was created by the Leviathan, and still serves the purpose of the Leviathan. Go figure out that one. ****** is still ******.

* Impose totalitarianism on the galaxy -- yes our former allies are going to readily accept the new "friendly reapers police force"

* Impose eugenics on the galaxy -- well this takes care of the Leviathan threat and the organic vs. synthetic problem that our dear enemy the reaper AI is so afraid of. "The created will always rebel against its creators" because it did.

* Or destroy all synthetic life including our synthetic allies -- the Geth, and EDI, whom I really didn't like because of what Bioware did, but I covered my eyes and got to know EDI in the full canon play and had to sacrifice, because you know in the 22nd century we is too stoopid to backup software for a reboot. And Shepard gets to take a 1/4 second breath in a pile of garbage.

* Refuse gets the one middle finger that has Walters tattooed on it, and another that has Hudson tattooed on it. All your friends and the rest of the galaxy get killed, turned into husks, or goop. No achievement for finishing the game -- hence it is just a substitute for the Critical Mission Failure screen.

You get these choices just to end the game. The ending is still a cluster****. It isn't a moral dilemma. So one last time, I'll ask please do the right thing.

Give one place where our Commander can get up call for an evac and get rescued. Give us one place where our Commander can have that reunion. And please if we worked hard enough to gather enough EMS give us one place along with this where our synthetic allies don't get annihilated in that wave. The latter part may have to wait until all the EMS is gathered with all of the DLC.

Do this and I will buy this DLC and all the DLC for ME3. You can also pretty much guess the hard core ME fans will do the same.

Continue to tell me to head canon, and I will continue to tell you to head canon $$

[Darth_Atreyu]

Close this thread.

Modifié par Darth_Atreyu, 31 août 2012 - 06:50 .

[Warrior Craess]

saracen16 wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

hmm you must not be paying attention to the levi DLC.... the "intelligence" was created before the Reapers. Therefor the SC is not in fact a reaper. He did create them as his solution to the problem. Inevitably the reapers should rebel against the star child (by his logic)

And yet he begins to embody them. When he IS the Reapers, the Reapers can't rebel against him, no?

?? he embodies them? ok I'll grant you that the star child took a form to interact with Shaepard.. but it's more accurate to say that the reapers are the embodiment of the star child. 

Listen to what Levi says about it, it's quite clear that the intelligence had other tools, and created reapers "to preserve life, at all costs".  It's not a relationship between equals. It's Master (SC) servent (Reapers). By his own logic the reapers (the created) will inevitably rebel. 

And of course the conclusion that the idiot child comes to is the most assinine circular logic BS I've seen in awhile. 

[JPR1964]

Speezy wrote...

I don't really fault him for getting fed up with a bunch of whiny children who harass him constantly.

Looks who's talking...

Whining again about the whine...

he...



JPR out!

Modifié par JPR1964, 31 août 2012 - 06:56 .

[Dean_the_Young]

clennon8 wrote...

I absolutely agree with you on this.  Anyone who bought Leviathan has pretty much surrendered their right to complain about the endings.  If you were complaining about ME3 before and bought Leviathan anyway, then you are a weakling.  Don't even try to rationalize it.  You are a sucker and you gave in.

That's pretty dumb.

You can easily like ME3 as a whole without liking the ending, and purchasing Leviathan can be justified entirely on the enjoyment of the parts of the game that weren't the ending. There is no standard that says you can only purchase a DLC if you like everything about the base game.