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[3DandBeyond]

Warrior Craess wrote...

Hudathan wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

Synthesis? sorry but there isn't enough dark energy in this universe or the next trillion universes to convert organic matter to inorganic (and vice versa). It's so completely inconsistant with in game physics that it alone ruins the game for me. Add that to being forced to listen to an AI that has wose logic than my 7 year old neice?

Is there a specific amount of dark energy that would make synthesis possible that only you are privy to?

It's not possible. Even with biotics, which is really nothing more than the manipulation of gravity, you can not Convert organic material into inorganic (and vice versa). Nothing in the game suggests that you can manipulate molecular or atomic structure in that way. 

That's the thing.  Synthesis is always artificially achieved-it cannot happen naturally.  And nature will not ever create synthetic material.  It's a contradiction in terms.  People are not going to one day spontaneously grow tech components.  And I still want to understand how the AI kid or whoever does it, can give synthetics full understanding of organics and how that even solves anything.  So, synthetics understand organics-that doesn't mean they have to like them, but even so, why would they need to if organics no longer exist?  Synthetic and organic life could in fact still be created by someone.  And synthetics that understand organics might want to kill everyone or might care about no one.  The organic/synthetic hybrids (previously organic people) might have some that want to kill everyone.  Neither augmentation necessarily makes them peaceloving.

[3DandBeyond]

MegaSovereign wrote...


You've obviously never heard of midichlorians.

Oh, I get it now.  Synthesis happens because the midichlorians made a wrong turn and entered the wrong game?  They dropped a little residue off and left.

[The Heretic of Time]

When will people finally learn that the problem of ME3 is not just the endings? Things already went wrong during the opening of ME3. The entire game is just sloppy written and poorly executed. The endings are just one of ME3's many flaws.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 31 août 2012 - 10:27 .

[Warrior Craess]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

hmm you must not be paying attention to the levi DLC.... the "intelligence" was created before the Reapers. Therefor the SC is not in fact a reaper. He did create them as his solution to the problem. Inevitably the reapers should rebel against the star child (by his logic)

And apparently you didn't pay attention to the Catalyst, because his very next line is 'but I found a way to prevent that.'

hah by harvesting all live every 50K years? So we're once again back to "Yo dawg...."
Or maybe you mean it's ultimate solution you know the one that can't be forced, that Shepard is actually going to force on everyone else in the galaxy? 

Ahh yes the only solution.. the "best" solution... synthesis.  the most obnoxious handwavium space magic, to ever befall mankind (yes I'm indulging in hyperbol). 

I could buy into control (not sure I buy into the disintergration of  the body, but it's not a game ruiner), I can definetly buy into destroy (but seriously shooting a pipe destroys all synthetics? WTF?). Those at least make sense, and are basicially the two choises embodied by shepard and TIM. 

Synthesis? sorry but there isn't enough dark energy in this universe or the next trillion universes to convert organic matter to inorganic (and vice versa). It's so completely inconsistant with in game physics that it alone ruins the game for me. Add that to being forced to listen to an AI that has wose logic than my 7 year old neice? 

And?

None of what you just posted in any way corrects your failure of understanding about the Catalyst's logic about Creators and Created. In fact, it has nothing to do with it.

So explain it to me, where in If the created always rebel, why the reapers (the created) haven't rebelled? 

Wait the reapers are the solution, except the reapers are a creation of the catalyst and thereby must inevitably rebel.  Some how this logic makes sense? 

We'll not bother to talk about how very loosely the catalyst defines "life".  Or how anything with even a shred of logic could consider taking an entire race, distilling it down to their molecular parts and then creating a singular entity could be said to be preserving life. 

[3DandBeyond]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

When will people finally learn that the problem of ME3 is not just the endings? Things already went wrong during the opening of ME3. The entire game is just sloppy written and poorly executed. The endings are just one of ME3's many flaws.

I think people do recognize there are other flaws.  I do.  I think there are good parts that tend to help balance that out-the endings though at least for me, tip the scale and knock it off the table.  Had the ending delivered, I might have still disliked other failings, but not so much.  The game itself needed to be the more complicated part - more intensity in sidequests, more of everything.  The endings needed to be less complicated and convoluted and they needed to be varied in authentic consequences.  IMO.

[3DandBeyond]

xray16 wrote...

3DAndBeyound:OP - Thank you for so clearly articulating my feelings about ME3.
In simple terms, Mass Effect, when I reached the end of ME3, was no longer FUN for me. I play computer games to have fun and relax/escape from the real world.
Not fun = I do not want to play this again.
Yes I've continued to lurk here - watching the arguments and flamewars ripple accross what's left of the fragmented fanbase... In honesty I've been looking for hope that maybe something else was coming. After 5 months the evidence suggests that it isn't.
I am but one gamer and this is purely MY opinion. Maybe Bioware games are not for me anymore -I can appreciate and understand that. As a customer demographic perhaps I don't fit into their sales target- that's fair enough - I'll go elsewhere.
If there was an ending to Mass Effect where I could actualy feel like I won... then I would be throwing money and time at this game - in both Multiplayer and Singleplayer. But thats not what happened. Multiplayer is just a reminder for me of the awful and depressing way that the story ends. Singleplayer? Why would I want to prolong the suffering.
To clarify - my view of what the Starbrat demands at the end:
Chose Synthesis= Saren - ME1's evil bad guy - was right.
Chose Control= TIM - ME3's evil bad guy - was right.
Chose Destroy= commit genocide - become the evil bad guy.
Chose Refuse= everyone dies. Instantly. (see above re: becoming the evil bad guy).
To me - THATS NOT FUN: In this form either the bad guys were right, or I am the bad guy. Uh - no thanks. I don't want to choose to inhabit that reality.

I've enjoyed the Mass Effect series so much up until now that I felt I should send this feedback, regardless of the inevitable vitriol.
To 3DandBeyond (and so many others including AdmiralCheez): I wish you all the best for so eloquently communicating that which I could not.

Great post and thanks for your kind words.

[JPR1964]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

When will people finally learn that the problem of ME3 is not just the endings? Things already went wrong during the opening of ME3. The entire game is just sloppy written and poorly executed. The endings are just one of ME3's many flaws.

The opening was really bad : there is some nice missions here and there, the gameplay is better than in ME2 and the character development is nicely done....

But, the scanning, the fetch quests  and  the "fan service"  is really, really a let down...

The end is just the big nail on the coffin... And I've taken it full face...

After more than 20 sessions of ME1, 8 of ME2, I've one on ME3... 



Well, I guess, s**** happens...

JPR out!

[3DandBeyond]

JPR1964 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

When will people finally learn that the problem of ME3 is not just the endings? Things already went wrong during the opening of ME3. The entire game is just sloppy written and poorly executed. The endings are just one of ME3's many flaws.

The opening was really bad : there is some nice missions here and there, the gameplay is better than in ME2 and the character development is nicely done....

But, the scanning, the fetch quests  and  the "fan service"  is really, really a let down...

The end is just the big nail on the coffin... And I've taken it full face...

After more than 20 sessions of ME1, 8 of ME2, I've one on ME3... 



Well, I guess, s**** happens...

JPR out!

That's it I've played ME1 several times on PC, and on xbox, ME2 on PS3 and xbox several times, and forced myself to play ME3 on the PS3 and xbox-I should say forced myself to play it to the end.  I have played it up until London quite a number of times, mostly to see the impact or lack of it for various things. 

[Seboist]

DemiWoody wrote...

Truth DLC- Shepard gets up and actually finishes the game! (Free because we paid for a full game.)

Still can't seperate your fanon from the actual canon,eh?

[Xellith]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

When will people finally learn that the problem of ME3 is not just the endings? Things already went wrong during the opening of ME3. The entire game is just sloppy written and poorly executed. The endings are just one of ME3's many flaws.

One problem at a time.

[sveners]

xray16 wrote...

3DAndBeyound:OP - Thank you for so clearly articulating my feelings about ME3.
In simple terms, Mass Effect, when I reached the end of ME3, was no longer FUN for me. I play computer games to have fun and relax/escape from the real world.
Not fun = I do not want to play this again.
Yes I've continued to lurk here - watching the arguments and flamewars ripple accross what's left of the fragmented fanbase... In honesty I've been looking for hope that maybe something else was coming. After 5 months the evidence suggests that it isn't.
I am but one gamer and this is purely MY opinion. Maybe Bioware games are not for me anymore -I can appreciate and understand that. As a customer demographic perhaps I don't fit into their sales target- that's fair enough - I'll go elsewhere.
If there was an ending to Mass Effect where I could actualy feel like I won... then I would be throwing money and time at this game - in both Multiplayer and Singleplayer. But thats not what happened. Multiplayer is just a reminder for me of the awful and depressing way that the story ends. Singleplayer? Why would I want to prolong the suffering.
To clarify - my view of what the Starbrat demands at the end:
Chose Synthesis= Saren - ME1's evil bad guy - was right.
Chose Control= TIM - ME3's evil bad guy - was right.
Chose Destroy= commit genocide - become the evil bad guy.
Chose Refuse= everyone dies. Instantly. (see above re: becoming the evil bad guy).
To me - THATS NOT FUN: In this form either the bad guys were right, or I am the bad guy. Uh - no thanks. I don't want to choose to inhabit that reality.

I've enjoyed the Mass Effect series so much up until now that I felt I should send this feedback, regardless of the inevitable vitriol.
To 3DandBeyond (and so many others including AdmiralCheez): I wish you all the best for so eloquently communicating that which I could not.

This pretty much sums up my opinion as well. Mostly, since I don't fully agree about Synthesis and Control.

Destroy is genocide though. If you willingly choose to kill an entire race, despite having other options at your disposal, then it's genocide. People claiming "Collateral damage" would be correct if EMS was low and destroy was the only option. Otherwise.. no.

I rarely write or reply to topics, even though I've had extremely long and angry rants prepared. But in the end, what's the point? The writers ended the story the way they wanted to. Those of us who feel completely gutted by the result will simply have to find a way to deal with it. By now I think it's become a matter of principle anyways. Considering the level of hatred and bile many of us have thrown at the creators of our beloved franchise.

I guess BioWare and I have just grown apart. Why can't I just let go?



Thanks for the OP 3DandBeyond.

[The Heretic of Time]

DemiWoody wrote...

Seboist wrote...

DemiWoody wrote...

Truth DLC- Shepard gets up and actually finishes the game! (Free because we paid for a full game.)

Still can't seperate your fanon from the actual canon,eh?

No I just think the Indoctrination Theory is right.

Regardless of whether you believe in the IT or not, there won't be any "truth DLC". Period.

[XqctaX]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

XqctaX wrote...

neither "ending-related" DLC's did what was wanted or asked and you know it.
instead they stuck to there "art" so your argument is invalid.

so you acually got more than them If you liked the original endings.
so yest again Your logic is false. and youer own bias is just as blatant obvious
and the drone is fitting. and atleast im not lying or twisting the trouth to my own agenda like you.

There lays one of the major flaws in the argument, what you want is not what everyone else wanted and was one of the main reason why retake was never going to last. Different people wanted different things and that still remains the case from people who want happy ever after life of Shepard and their LI, people who want conventional victory, others who want pew pew with Harbinger and even those who want more minor changes.

EC gave many what they wanted and many which did not get what they want. I did not need EC in the first place because I had my reasons for liking the original of which was like 17+ page thread discussing it with others many months ago now present in my signature as a momento. I got the same content as them and I did not get more than them just because I enjoyed the part you did not.

They did not fix anything I did not like about the game yet, from in game content spanning time gap between standing on bridge of ship in Arrival to starting in a room on Earth, bad quest tracking and rather silly method of even picking up quests. A lot of fetch quests and much more I did not enjoy about the game.

So your stance of I got more than them is wrong, I just do not dislike the same thing as they do. I got the same as them only I did not ask for 2 ending related DLC's while they did keep asking for ending relating DLC's. During that time I wanted non ending related DLC's but accepted that others wanted ending related ones. Now I would like ending related things to be stopped and let me have a non ending related one. Any major issues I have with the game I hope will be fixed in the next title not remaking the current one which is far more reasonable stance I am taking.

At this stage I understand what they tried to do, like some parts and disliked others but I also respect their rights as it's creators to chose what to create and I leave feedback of what would like in the next game just like I did with DA2 of which I was constantly called a hater even though  I demanded or asked for no changes to the current game.

we have alot of different opinions but fair enough, i understand a lot of points you make.
it just angers me when someone tries to stop something another wants and in heinsight i was 
to harsh in my post since were pretty much on opposite sides of this argument since ofc you want things too.

for the harsh words i used, I do apologize

but I dont think the 2 dlcs are qualified as ending dlc since neither of them did what was in general asked
like for example remove catalyst character etc
(to long list to write everything, and you have surely read alot of it b4 i think)
the EC ofcource is ending related, but wouldnt exist without the backlash so should be contributed to,
that rather than blamed to that movement
But I view the EC as a ending-patch (failed one ...) rather than a real DLC, so opinions

the leviathan is rather reaper and L background story than ending related.
and really doesnt change the ending except for adding a few lines of dialogue.
so to me that surely isnt ending related DLC in the manner you spoke of it. but, opinions so..

[Heather Cline]

Nice post from what I read of it but as much as I wish BW would change the game itself and the ending even the EC they won't. They are cold hearted b*stards and don't give a damned. If they did they wouldn't have done the "artistic vision" and "artistic integrity" crap or the EC and would have given us a better ending when they went to do the EC by completely remaking it. That is what they would have done.

[Valmarn]

I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite post on the Citadel.

[3DandBeyond]

Valmarn wrote...

I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite post on the Citadel.

Ok this one made me laugh.

[Conniving_Eagle]

40 pages and no lock or acknowledgement from Priestly yet...

[Xellith]

They know this thread exists. They prolly are still processing the amount of win it contains before they get to their "suck it up" post.

[3DandBeyond]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

40 pages and no lock or acknowledgement from Priestly yet...

Ssshhhhsh. 

Well, I do know and acknowledge the company line that they've stated-I did read what CP stated as well.  I understand this and am merely hoping BW might take another look at what they've produced.  I like to paint.  Sometimes, you have to step back, leave, and come back to a work to see what fits and what doesn't and sometimes these "new eyes" can allow you to understand what you didn't before.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Usually they lockdown threads directed at them, even if they concern the game.

They have to take their thumbs out of thier ears and quickly lock and suppress anything too conspicuous.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 01 septembre 2012 - 12:28 .

[3DandBeyond]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

40 pages and no lock or acknowledgement from Priestly yet...

I'm throwing out a distraction thread.

Oh that's what that was-I wondered.