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[Dragoonlordz]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

40 pages and no lock or acknowledgement from Priestly yet...

Why should he respond? His work is not limited to just babysitting or monitoring BSN posts.

He is at Dragon-Con doing other things right now from meeting fans, doing panals and other such activities.

Around the same time you wrote that, this is where he was and to be honest I am jealous.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 septembre 2012 - 12:48 .

[RenegonSQ]

Great thread you got here, keep it going strong.

[3DandBeyond]

Just to keep it real. I'm perhaps pleading with Bioware to ask themselves if this is how they saw it when they said they knew people would have a hard time saying goodbye to Shepard.

I want them to ask themselves is this what they hoped would happen the first time they played a video game or when they had a glimmer of an idea for a space opera game?

Did they think that endings that don't conclude the hero's story arc in each obviously desired way would actually make fans really satisfied?

Bioware, could no one there really understand that fans realized they'd have to say goodbye to Shepard and wanted some authentic ways to do it-a death for a real, bittersweet reason or a life that Shepard might finally get to live. And that living Shepard would be the driving force behind helping form unity needed for rebuilding a sad, depressing, hurt galaxy.

Bioware, could no one there understand that Shepard sold ME games? The face was how we saw Shepard. The face was so important that people became really upset when the import didn't work. Part of what we feel, but not the only part is a desire to say goodbye to Shepard and also a goodbye to all the people we've "met" in this galaxy, this time.

The best thing ME ever did was to focus the story on the characters. That was what set it apart from other RPGs. It was like living for a time within the story because that created the emotional attachment. No, it's not real life-it is a story. But for many of us, it has no end, because the characters we lived with, fought with, fought for, and even cared about, can't embrace those choices. Others can, but that is also what was so great about ME: diversity. It was just as much exemplified outside the game as in. I appreciate that they like and feel the choices ring true. But we are not the same and so a game that always was about that diversity and our different choices, ends up leaving many of us on the outside.

We want to finish the game and I can't believe you couldn't see that a great many people would want one Shepard lives ending along with the Shepard dies endings. And that they'd want that Shepard lives one to make some sense, not force some horrid immoral choice upon them. It's a game-please take another look and bring back the fun and a path to a win. Sure, Shepard can die, but can't there also be one possible path to life and the aftermath? Please.

[Valmarn]

RiouHotaru wrote...

...You do realize they've already stated that beyond the EC they don't plan to change the endings. Maybe adjust dialog (like they did with Leviathan), which I'd expect. But you're never going to get a full adjustment. You're going to have to accept the endings as they are.

It wouldn't be the first time that they went back on something that they said.

[3DandBeyond]

Valmarn wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...You do realize they've already stated that beyond the EC they don't plan to change the endings. Maybe adjust dialog (like they did with Leviathan), which I'd expect. But you're never going to get a full adjustment. You're going to have to accept the endings as they are.

It wouldn't be the first time that they went back on something that they said.

This is the thing-no company worth their salt would ever make a pronouncement like that because it would cut off a potential cash cow.

Consider that they may have ideas for the direction of some DLC, but they may not have it all storyboarded and planned.  It could lead to anything and a dev is foolish to not leave all options open.

It's why you never say never.  It's so much harder to be taken seriously if you keep changing what you've written in stone.

Also consider this.  And this is not truth or even my full "theory" of any sort.  What if there had been no fan upset over the original endings.  What if BW had created the original endings as a tease (other games have recently been released without endings).  And what if the EC had been planned all along.  Then, what if BW all along had planned on some fully fleshed out satisfying final goodbye for us and for them to Mass Effect.  What if they had never gotten hopes up in the first place or if the promises made were made for some bigger thing to come, something that would tie it all together.

What I'm saying here is not what I think will be, but it is what they could have done if they had not made so many bold pre-release statements and if they had not started to retcon things with no explanation.  Why if they were so sensitive about the leaked script (and they appeared to be) would they continually leak little bits about the next DLC in a current DLC-as with Leviathan? 

What they could have done was to make this a really fun and profitable trail for fans to follow and speculation could have helped direct content. Hmmmm.

[Dragoonlordz]

Valmarn wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...You do realize they've already stated that beyond the EC they don't plan to change the endings. Maybe adjust dialog (like they did with Leviathan), which I'd expect. But you're never going to get a full adjustment. You're going to have to accept the endings as they are.

It wouldn't be the first time that they went back on something that they said.

Big difference, after EC there was no grey area in what their statement of intention has been. Prior to EC there was such.

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...You do realize they've already stated that beyond the EC they don't plan to change the endings. Maybe adjust dialog (like they did with Leviathan), which I'd expect. But you're never going to get a full adjustment. You're going to have to accept the endings as they are.

It wouldn't be the first time that they went back on something that they said.

Big difference, after EC there was no grey area in what their statement of intention has been. Prior to EC there was such.

What is their statement of intention with the EC?

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...You do realize they've already stated that beyond the EC they don't plan to change the endings. Maybe adjust dialog (like they did with Leviathan), which I'd expect. But you're never going to get a full adjustment. You're going to have to accept the endings as they are.

It wouldn't be the first time that they went back on something that they said.

Big difference, after EC there was no grey area in what their statement of intention has been. Prior to EC there was such.

Bioware also stated there wasn't gonna be an ABC type ending or a Reaper off-switch

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...You do realize they've already stated that beyond the EC they don't plan to change the endings. Maybe adjust dialog (like they did with Leviathan), which I'd expect. But you're never going to get a full adjustment. You're going to have to accept the endings as they are.

It wouldn't be the first time that they went back on something that they said.

Big difference, after EC there was no grey area in what their statement of intention has been. Prior to EC there was such.

What is their statement of intention with the EC?

There was many, you will have to hang on for bit I'm going to have to go through and find one of the more recent ones in this forum might take a while going through the threads/posts list. Prior to EC they said willing to dicuss possible changes and future DLC regarding it, post EC that grey area you had no longer exists.

Edit okay found most recent one.

Chris Preistly wrote...

"I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.   

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely possible for future DLC as well.   

And for all those stating "Well if you don't X I am not going to buy another game/DLC/etc from BioWare again". I'm sorry you feel that way, but I understand it. That is your ability as a consumer. If a company (us, a burger joint, a shoe store, etc) does not live up to your expectations, you go elsewhere. I get it and I do the same thing. I do not fault anyone for feeling this way. Hopefully, the DLC we come up with or a future BioWare title will make you want to give us another try.   

However, if you don't like it, feel free to leave. I'm sorry we have disappointed you and as I said, we'll try to make better content or games in the future that you will hopefully enjoy. No one if forced to be here. You don't like it, feel free to take your business elsewhere and stop trying to ruin the fun and enjoyment for those people who do enjoy ME3 and the DLC.   

Done now. "

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 septembre 2012 - 01:28 .

[KENNY4753]

AresKeith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Valmarn wrote...

RiouHotaru wrote...

...You do realize they've already stated that beyond the EC they don't plan to change the endings. Maybe adjust dialog (like they did with Leviathan), which I'd expect. But you're never going to get a full adjustment. You're going to have to accept the endings as they are.

It wouldn't be the first time that they went back on something that they said.

Big difference, after EC there was no grey area in what their statement of intention has been. Prior to EC there was such.

Bioware also stated there wasn't gonna be an ABC type ending or a Reaper off-switch

It's not an ABC type ending it's a BGR ending

[Conniving_Eagle]

Ah yes, that's one of my favorite ones.

www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/10/mass1525-effect-3-cas5ey-fdsafdhudson-interviewae.aspx

"Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C." -Casey Hudson

[3DandBeyond]

KENNY4753 wrote...


It's not an ABC type ending it's a BGR ending

Kind of odd since they seemed to remove G choices in ME3.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 septembre 2012 - 01:22 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Ah yes, that's one of my favorite ones.

www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/01/10/mass1525-effect-3-cas5ey-fdsafdhudson-interviewae.aspx

"Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C." -Casey Hudson

THIS STILL HURTS ME

[Tamayah]

3DandBeyond wrote...

We want to finish the game and I can't believe you couldn't see that a great many people would want one Shepard lives ending along with the Shepard dies endings. And that they'd want that Shepard lives one to make some sense, not force some horrid immoral choice upon them. It's a game-please take another look and bring back the fun and a path to a win. Sure, Shepard can die, but can't there also be one possible path to life and the aftermath? Please.

Okay, I know its probably been repeated before but, I have to ask again.  Was it so hard to "Do the Right Thing from the start? Satisfy everyone with an Ending meaning complete closure. We know what Control Ending does, and we know what Synthesis does but, with Destroy and the added Refusal Ending is a bunch of  WTH going on here >.< (((coughs my reaction))).
Refusal could of went towards, Shepard denial and not believing the AI/God Kid + Leviathan DLC.
Destroy, my fav. headcanon seeing my BFF faces Wrex N' Tali picking me up out the rubble, and eventually lead to Omega DLC. 

Modifié par Bunanah, 01 septembre 2012 - 01:48 .

[chevyguy87]

 Ah 3D we meet again, lovely post by the way, valid points all around. I myself am over Mass Effect, the current state of affairs forever soured my feelings for the series. I watched Leviathan on youtube and must say it was very good and well structured. I also believe that it should of been in the base game but that is a totally different matter. Possibly should have been placed early on in the story line for ME3 since I doubt we need Reapers 101 after most of us have completed the game one or more times. 
My next bid. Why is it that people always twist the word "happy" and associate it with fairy tale garbage and bright annoying colors? Happy can be as simple as seeing Shep sit up from the trash he/she is in to showing a scene on the Normandy where Joker picks up Shep's ID signature. See what I did there? no unicorns humping trees, hokus pokus, rainbow flavored bubblegum, flying animals, cotton candy, or any other whimsical nonsensical fairy tale garbage everybody assigns the word happy to these days. 

Moving on, I do not see them successfully pulling off ME4. Unless they either pull a Halo and put out a prequel, or step in the shoes of a completely different character set in the future after the Reaper War. As far as I am concerned Shepard's story is done, and seeing how they balked that, I really don't forsee a fourth installment being treated much better. I have always been a firm believer that Shepard's story should have been at least four installments. ME3 would have been the strategic buildup in preperation for the war and ridding ourselves of Cerberus, and ME4 would have been the war in it's totality. The story and the universe contained in the story are far too detailed and expansive to cram into a trilogy, but if they do decide to do ME4 I hope it's not going to be a CoD with lazer weapons.....oh wait thet already did that with ME3 multiplayer....................damn.
 
Now if Bioware followed that system, Leviathan would have fit in perfectly as in game content rather then DLC and we would have had logic going into the conversation with the talking glow in the dark wristband they dubbed the Catalyst. From Ashes also could have fit in somewhere. I have not given it much thought though. But I feel that half of the arguments on the forums would not exist because BW would have had plenty of time to tie up the story quite nicely and give Shepard a proper sendoff rather then have us play a furturistic game of twister and deciding who to screw over. 

But as I said, I am over Mass Effect, sad because it was my favorite game series but as the Rolling Stones put it "You can't always get what you want". Since Shepard is pretty much history at this point I do not feel the need to bother myself with any ME related content. However the sharing of ideas and hypothesizing story lore is most interesting and are the two reasons I still gander at the forums every now and then.

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Chris Preistly wrote...

"I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.   

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely possible for future DLC as well.   

And for all those stating "Well if you don't X I am not going to buy another game/DLC/etc from BioWare again". I'm sorry you feel that way, but I understand it. That is your ability as a consumer. If a company (us, a burger joint, a shoe store, etc) does not live up to your expectations, you go elsewhere. I get it and I do the same thing. I do not fault anyone for feeling this way. Hopefully, the DLC we come up with or a future BioWare title will make you want to give us another try.   

However, if you don't like it, feel free to leave. I'm sorry we have disappointed you and as I said, we'll try to make better content or games in the future that you will hopefully enjoy. No one if forced to be here. You don't like it, feel free to take your business elsewhere and stop trying to ruin the funn and enjoyment for those people who do enjoy ME3 and the DLC.   

Done now. "

Yes, I even did reference that one above.  I'm aware of that and what I'm talking about in this thread doesn't change that.  BW still could take another look, view the possibilities, see if it looks possible and has value, and do it.

The prerogative of any sentient being should be the ability to change one's mind.  That is why diversity and discussion is important.  If people would merely lead with an open mind and not close them off or only listen to those that agree with them, we could have understanding.  There shouldn't be this instant light that flashes when someone says something you disagree with that says that person is an idiot or has the wrong opinion.  I'm not saying you did this, but it happens here and outside in the real world all the time.

If someone starts speaking and they don't agree with us, we sometimes immediately tune them out.  But if we do that then we aren't allowing ourselves to learn anything, ever.

And not all opinions are wrapped up in nice neat packages.  Some people can't offer the perfect words for understanding, but they have something to say if we would only listen.

I offered this advice to someone else here once-a poem that has a lot of wisdom in it.  It's called Desiderata-and one line says (paraphrasing) that even the dull and ignorant have their story.

BW says they listen.  I'm asking them to never stop doing that, even if the words are coarse, the intent less than pleasant.  There sometimes are gems to be found in the dirt. That doesn't mean they must cater to people or do anything.  I'm just asking.

[Dragoonlordz]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Chris Preistly wrote...

"I answered this. There will be no more new endings. I used the "quotes" as we consider the Extended Cut the ending, the finale, the stop whatever you want to call it of the ending of Mass Effect 3. We do not plan to make new endings, give more closure to the endings, adding or subtracting to or from the endings, etc. We are done with the endings.   

That said, we are working on some very cool downloadable story based single player content. In these DLCs there will certainly be elements that will effect the end of the game. As Mike Gamble already said, depending on what you do in Leviathan there will be new dialog with the Catalyst at the end of the game. These sorts of elements are definitely possible for future DLC as well.   

And for all those stating "Well if you don't X I am not going to buy another game/DLC/etc from BioWare again". I'm sorry you feel that way, but I understand it. That is your ability as a consumer. If a company (us, a burger joint, a shoe store, etc) does not live up to your expectations, you go elsewhere. I get it and I do the same thing. I do not fault anyone for feeling this way. Hopefully, the DLC we come up with or a future BioWare title will make you want to give us another try.   

However, if you don't like it, feel free to leave. I'm sorry we have disappointed you and as I said, we'll try to make better content or games in the future that you will hopefully enjoy. No one if forced to be here. You don't like it, feel free to take your business elsewhere and stop trying to ruin the funn and enjoyment for those people who do enjoy ME3 and the DLC.   

Done now. "

Yes, I even did reference that one above.  I'm aware of that and what I'm talking about in this thread doesn't change that.  BW still could take another look, view the possibilities, see if it looks possible and has value, and do it.

The prerogative of any sentient being should be the ability to change one's mind.  That is why diversity and discussion is important.  If people would merely lead with an open mind and not close them off or only listen to those that agree with them, we could have understanding.  There shouldn't be this instant light that flashes when someone says something you disagree with that says that person is an idiot or has the wrong opinion.  I'm not saying you did this, but it happens here and outside in the real world all the time.

If someone starts speaking and they don't agree with us, we sometimes immediately tune them out.  But if we do that then we aren't allowing ourselves to learn anything, ever.

And not all opinions are wrapped up in nice neat packages.  Some people can't offer the perfect words for understanding, but they have something to say if we would only listen.

I offered this advice to someone else here once-a poem that has a lot of wisdom in it.  It's called Desiderata-and one line says (paraphrasing) that even the dull and ignorant have their story.

BW says they listen.  I'm asking them to never stop doing that, even if the words are coarse, the intent less than pleasant.  There sometimes are gems to be found in the dirt. That doesn't mean they must cater to people or do anything.  I'm just asking.

So if they answer in this thread they will be doing no more ending DLC, honest question... whether you will accept that or continue asking. I ask because if they say they do not want to do something and you ignore that is it really them not listening and tuning someone out or the other way around with your dismissing their decision and tuning out their answers? Also do not forget it is more than just changing someone's mind, costs them vast  time and money to make something even if they did want to do more ending related DLC which they said they do not.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 septembre 2012 - 01:52 .

[3DandBeyond]

Bunanah wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

"We want to finish the game and I can't believe you couldn't see that a great many people would want one Shepard lives ending along with the Shepard dies endings. And that they'd want that Shepard lives one to make some sense, not force some horrid immoral choice upon them. It's a game-please take another look and bring back the fun and a path to a win. Sure, Shepard can die, but can't there also be one possible path to life and the aftermath? Please.

"


Okay, I know its probably been repeated before but, I have to ask again.  Was it so hard to "Do the Right Thing from the start? Satisfy everyone with an Ending meaning complete closure. We know what Control Ending does, and we know what Synthesis does but, with Destroy and the added Refusal Ending is a bunch of  WTH going on here >.< (((coughs my reaction))). Refusal could of went towards, Shepard denial and not believing the AI/God Kid + Leviathan DLC. Destroy, my fav. headcanon seeing my BFF faces Wrex N' Tali picking me up out the rubble, and eventually lead to Omega DLC. 

This is one of the most incredible things about the whole debacle pre-EC and after.  Bioware had to know that people would want one possible Shepard lives ending--again, not bunnies and rainbows, but bodies and rubble and repairs and struggle and strife and self-determination and reliance.  I cannot believe with all those people that must play video games, go to movies, read books, love someone, have families, see the bad stuff that's out there-I cannot believe that they could not see this dissatisfaction as inevitable.  I cannot see why it is that when someone asks for what is the kindest type of ending, one that values life, love, and happiness, they are told by others to leave or they are called names or they are treated as if they are children.

I want to ask these people if in real life they wish for unhappily ever after.  I want to ask if they see dead heroes as artistic and fun.  I want to ask if they truly think it is wrong for others to want to see this galaxy have a chance to decide its own fate, to stand up on its own 2 or more feet or appendages.  I want to ask if they really think it's so wrong for people to want to see the galaxy devoid of all reaper infection, so that tech can be rebuilt for those and by those in the galaxy.  Conflict isn't always bad, chaos can lead to good, and learning to create your own way, forge your own future-I see this as lifting the galaxy up out of childhood.  I see the galaxy as somewhat more deserving even, if only because they had the wisdom to see that Shepard might be able to lead them forward.  I see this cycle as the first to try to do some better things-not always great surely, but still better than the Protheans in some ways.  They weren't forging a ruthless empire and they were trying to form a consensus.  Not perfect, but learning.  Perfection isn't real, anyway.

I want to ask people and BW, what's so wrong about redemption, unity, and diversity as themes that are validated by the ending or at least one possible ending.

[Kamfrenchie]

Your hope is admirable 3Dandbeyoond, but again, I'm afraid bioware is beyond redemption. They still haven't apologized for their lies, EC was the occasion to pull out something good or rectify mystakes, but it wasn't so

[AngryFrozenWater]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

So if they answer in this thread they will be doing no more ending DLC, honest question... whether you will accept that or continue asking. I ask because if they say they do not want to do something and you ignore that is it really them not listening and tuning someone out or the other way around with your dismissing their decision and tuning out their answers? Also do not forget it is more than just changing someone's mind, costs them vastly more time and money to make something than you play or buy it even if they did want to do more ending related DLC which they said they do not.

It is very clear what you do. It is what you always do these days. You want this thread to be derailed. Only because you do not agree with it. The only opinion you agree with is that of BW. You once had your own opinion. I used to like that. There is now nothing left of that. What happened? Why do you not allow others to speak their mind? These are not questions you need to answer in public, though. And I wonder if I am really interested in the anwer. You have changed beyond recognition.

[PsyrenY]

Get over it already. Jeez.

[plfranke]

They actually are changing their tune dragoonlordz. At first it was we have a big plan for dlc, gonna be lots of dlc. Now it's, dlc depends on how Leviathan goes.

[Dragoonlordz]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

So if they answer in this thread they will be doing no more ending DLC, honest question... whether you will accept that or continue asking. I ask because if they say they do not want to do something and you ignore that is it really them not listening and tuning someone out or the other way around with your dismissing their decision and tuning out their answers? Also do not forget it is more than just changing someone's mind, costs them vastly more time and money to make something than you play or buy it even if they did want to do more ending related DLC which they said they do not.

It is very clear what you do. It is what you always do these days. You want this thread to be derailed. Only because you do not agree with it. The only opinion you agree with is that of BW. You once had your own opinion. I used to like that. There is now nothing left of that. What happened? Why do you not allow others to speak their mind? These are not questions you need to answer in public, though. And I wonder if I am really interested in the anwer. You have changed beyond recognition.

I have no time for you to waste with personal attacks. Do not confuse liking something you do not to agreeing with Bioware and also do not mistake me agreeing with you about DA2 to mean I have to agree with you about ME3. There are many elements I do not like about ME3 however the ending is not one of them of which neither relate to what you qouted. I asked something that 3D brought up but approached from a different perspective.

[CitizenThom]

sveners wrote...

xray16 wrote...

3DAndBeyound:OP - Thank you for so clearly articulating my feelings about ME3.
In simple terms, Mass Effect, when I reached the end of ME3, was no longer FUN for me. I play computer games to have fun and relax/escape from the real world.
Not fun = I do not want to play this again.
Yes I've continued to lurk here - watching the arguments and flamewars ripple accross what's left of the fragmented fanbase... In honesty I've been looking for hope that maybe something else was coming. After 5 months the evidence suggests that it isn't.
I am but one gamer and this is purely MY opinion. Maybe Bioware games are not for me anymore -I can appreciate and understand that. As a customer demographic perhaps I don't fit into their sales target- that's fair enough - I'll go elsewhere.
If there was an ending to Mass Effect where I could actualy feel like I won... then I would be throwing money and time at this game - in both Multiplayer and Singleplayer. But thats not what happened. Multiplayer is just a reminder for me of the awful and depressing way that the story ends. Singleplayer? Why would I want to prolong the suffering.
To clarify - my view of what the Starbrat demands at the end:
Chose Synthesis= Saren - ME1's evil bad guy - was right.
Chose Control= TIM - ME3's evil bad guy - was right.
Chose Destroy= commit genocide - become the evil bad guy.
Chose Refuse= everyone dies. Instantly. (see above re: becoming the evil bad guy).
To me - THATS NOT FUN: In this form either the bad guys were right, or I am the bad guy. Uh - no thanks. I don't want to choose to inhabit that reality.

I've enjoyed the Mass Effect series so much up until now that I felt I should send this feedback, regardless of the inevitable vitriol.
To 3DandBeyond (and so many others including AdmiralCheez): I wish you all the best for so eloquently communicating that which I could not.

This pretty much sums up my opinion as well. Mostly, since I don't fully agree about Synthesis and Control.

Destroy is genocide though. If you willingly choose to kill an entire race, despite having other options at your disposal, then it's genocide. People claiming "Collateral damage" would be correct if EMS was low and destroy was the only option. Otherwise.. no.

I rarely write or reply to topics, even though I've had extremely long and angry rants prepared. But in the end, what's the point? The writers ended the story the way they wanted to. Those of us who feel completely gutted by the result will simply have to find a way to deal with it. By now I think it's become a matter of principle anyways. Considering the level of hatred and bile many of us have thrown at the creators of our beloved franchise.

I guess BioWare and I have just grown apart. Why can't I just let go?



Thanks for the OP 3DandBeyond.

All endings involve morally incorrect choices. Control leads to suicide and cyclical Genocide, Destroy Genocide, Synthesis Genocide Squared, Refuse Deliberate Inaction to prevent Genocide. That's a lot of what is disappointing in the endings, but not all of it.

That said, if I must chose an evil, I'll choose the evil that happens once and can be overcome over the evils that never end. That leaves Destroy and Refuse near the top of the least evil choices to make in my opinion.

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

So if they answer in this thread they will be doing no more ending DLC, honest question... whether you will accept that or continue asking. I ask because if they say they do not want to do something and you ignore that is it really them not listening and tuning someone out or the other way around with your dismissing their decision and tuning out their answers? Also do not forget it is more than just changing someone's mind, costs them vastly more time and money to make something than you play or buy it even if they did want to do more ending related DLC which they said they do not.

You act like I'm asking them to rewrite the game and I'm not, but many have no problem with them continuing with MP development when that could also have been used to do other things.  I'm asking them to look at it.  And I've suggested a really non-invasive and minimally expensive way they could do it, but also I'm asking if they will look at the requests for other content.  That doesn't at all preclude them from making what you might want-but if they don't make oodles of money on current DLC, you might be lucky to see more.  What I'm suggesting also might make the DLC you want possible.  I don't know why you can't see that.  The more people that buy what they sell, the more content they will see as viable and they will make.

How much and what DLC do you think they have planned currently?  How much of it for SP?  Do you ever express your wish for DLC?  If they don't deliver it in the next DLC, will you stop requesting it?

My plea here is for them to revisit the notion-that's what I've said.  That doesn't mean I'll stop asking for added content if they say no (though I might depending on who might possibly answer and what s/he might say or how s/he says it).  I'm not here demanding anything.  And I'm not saying for them to please do this or that in a month or you are poopie heads.  My plea is for them to consider fan videos, the love for this series and the characters, the unique thing they created with ME and the themes they made us believe in and the people they created that we cared about.

My "one last plea" was an appeal to them as human beings who created something that people did appreciate-and I'm asking them to look at it again.

I'm not saying they don't listen.  I am saying they maybe are not listening effectively.  We send a lot of noise their way, but even noise has a purpose sometimes or a message, even if it's a warning that what you are doing is harmful-in this case, less profitable as well as less inclusive of the fan base they created.