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[3DandBeyond]

AresKeith wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

ME3 had a better power system, better selection of weapons, better leveling up system, weapon modding similar to ME and squadmates powers where better handled. Also more armor customization. Sure ME2 had a better dialog system, but in terms of rpg elements as a whole, ME2 was the black sheep. Strong dialog system, but the other elements where downright horrible.

but those are the things you would automatically know to be improved. While in ME3 their journal became crap, they took multiple Hub worlds, took out vehicle gameplay again, over-used auto-dialouge, those annoying fetch quests, half of your squads alt appearance were copy and paste reskins of each other

I agree.  I truly did like armor customization in ME1 and the I dislike the reduction of dialogue that you could choose.  I know they liked the flow better with auto-dialogue but you buy games to play them, not watch them.  The fetch quests are silly.  The weapon modding thing was annoying-I preferred ME1's way of doing it instead of being given limited places where it could be done.  And I hate the lack of heavy weapons.  I loved playing around with those on the ME2 missions.  ME3 just sometimes has some laying around in convenient areas, but they have limited ammo and once they're done, they're done.

[Warrior Craess]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

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I would not look for a refund if my purchase if my reason for expecting something is merely what a single developer said pre-release or based on if I think it was pretty enough for me or never had something was never advertised of having in first place such as what your actually asking for. They NEVER said would get a happy ever after scene with your LI, they never said would be able to win conventionally and on top of that none of what was said of which others are quoting on here was ever written on the box or in any retailer description of the product that I have ever seen. I also do not appreciate your asinine claim that I am whats wrong with videogames today either because it is pure fallacy.

If you buy a product and it's bad, you think you have to accept that, no matter what they say.  That is wrong.  Devs are trying to get people to pre-order games, so they hype them and hype is advertising and it is about making promises.  And it was way more than one dev-I know you know that.  I never said they said there'd be a "happy ever after scene" so I don't know what you are talking about.

It isn't only what is written on the box that matters-where did you ever get that idea?  If someone tries to sell you a product and does not describe it correctly and you buy it, do you just live with that?  Do you ever return anything because the description of it was misleading?  Do you ever return anything?

I'm sorry if you don't understand this.  When you buy a game and it's bad, how will the dev ever know it's bad if no one complains?  And if no one complains, how will the dev ever know what people didn't like?  We are all the problem if we don't speak up and say exactly what we do or don't like.  Jessica Merizan did get this right-when we say we don't like the endings, that's not helpful.  We need to say what we didn't like or what would have been better.

What you've told me is you buy games and never complain about them-that is not helping keep companies in business and making good games.  Bethesda never would have "fixed" Fallout 3 if people just sold the game on ebay and never said anything.  And then they might have kept making games that weren't open ended that people didn't like and they might have lost sales because people just stopped buying their games.  People that speak up are the best friends companies can have.

If you buy games based on what's on the box, that's a real problem, because boxes don't show you much of anything. 

1. No you do not deserve a refund just because you think it is bad or you did not enjoy it. If they want to give you a refund for such a reason thats upto them but you do not deserve to have it if they do not. You deserve a refund if the product is fualty or falls within the legal requirement for one.

2. I do not pre-order games, your point is moot in relation to my actions and in regard to any pre-release statements they are subject to change.

3. You are throwing a hissy fit over my saying I sell games I do not enjoy on ebay, making asinine assumptions that I never return fualty products or when the product I buy does not have what is advetised form the place I buy it or listed on the product itself. Your ignorance over the fact I just gave you an example of recent time I did return an item by implying you do not think I have ever returned one makes me question your reading comprehension and for a valid reason to question it.

4. A dev knows I do not enjoy something via feedback. That is what it exists for and I know for fact they read my feedback just like they do most peoples given restrictions on how many places they can be at once or hours in a day. Reading feedback does not equal or require responding to each feedback left for it have have been read in the first place. Do not confuse the two and use some common sense in that regard. They do not 'only' listen to threats, boycotts and withholding money. It is possible to listen to feedback and not agree with what each feedback asks for.

5. Stop making asinine assupmtions about what I do based on your own personal bias, I never once said I never complain but you do show yourself as a liar in claiming I did. I do complain and I leave feedback, I do not buy something if I think I will not enjoy it and I will return it if is not as advertised (no I do not count pre-release tweets as reliable information). Legally binding description for puchase of goods is written on the box or product description where bought from of which if does not meet that then I return it. Not on what you think might be in game or what you heard prior to the finished product being released. Tweets and quotes are to be taken with pinch of salt, they for the most part merely describe what they would like to do or hope to do not what they have actually done in some cases.

6. Lastly seems to me your the one with the problem, you put too much faith in tweets and not enough on the legally binding product descriptions at point of sale. Your the one with problem with reading comprehension to what I have said and you have a problem lying about what I said. I am done with you.

ohh my.. legally binding product descriptions... ohh we gots a winner here..  well at least he'(she in case your actually a female) is certainly winning at speaking out of his/her arse. 

from now on, any time I see posts by a certain few individuals  it's simply be blah blah blah...

[DoomNation]

F**K Chris Priestly. That quote, man, I wish I had seen it before I spent like 200 dollars on Bioware stuff. I hope millions of players take their business away from Bioware. Get them right in the feels.

[IamDanThaMan]

Maybe somebody already pointed this out, maybe not, but I don't feel like reading 42 pages to find out so here it goes.

TC points out that he has several family members that fought in WW2, and his main complaint about the ending of the game is the methods that you must use to end the war that are very undesirable. Have you forgotten what it took to end WW2? The Americans and Russians carpet bombed the crap out of most of germany, decimating the country and then split it in two to be run by puppet governments. Japan had 2 nuclear bombs dropped on major population centers, killing many and causing radiation poisoning and cancer to generations.

War sucks. To end wars, particularly very bad wars, you often have to make terrible decisions, and there is almost never a way to totally prevent collateral damage. You just have to make what you believe to be the best available decisions that will be the best for the most people.

I feel that the ending of Mass Effect 3 shows the reality of war in the best way it can. I'm sorry that the decisions it presented you were so hard for you TC, but maybe now you will be able to sympathize a little bit more with the people who actually have to make those types of decisions in real life.

[dreman9999]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

Maybe somebody already pointed this out, maybe not, but I don't feel like reading 42 pages to find out so here it goes.

TC points out that he has several family members that fought in WW2, and his main complaint about the ending of the game is the methods that you must use to end the war that are very undesirable. Have you forgotten what it took to end WW2? The Americans and Russians carpet bombed the crap out of most of germany, decimating the country and then split it in two to be run by puppet governments. Japan had 2 nuclear bombs dropped on major population centers, killing many and causing radiation poisoning and cancer to generations.

War sucks. To end wars, particularly very bad wars, you often have to make terrible decisions, and there is almost never a way to totally prevent collateral damage. You just have to make what you believe to be the best available decisions that will be the best for the most people.

I feel that the ending of Mass Effect 3 shows the reality of war in the best way it can. I'm sorry that the decisions it presented you were so hard for you TC, but maybe now you will be able to sympathize a little bit more with the people who actually have to make those types of decisions in real life.

Best statement in the topic.

[Warrior Craess]

dreman9999 wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

Maybe somebody already pointed this out, maybe not, but I don't feel like reading 42 pages to find out so here it goes.

TC points out that he has several family members that fought in WW2, and his main complaint about the ending of the game is the methods that you must use to end the war that are very undesirable. Have you forgotten what it took to end WW2? The Americans and Russians carpet bombed the crap out of most of germany, decimating the country and then split it in two to be run by puppet governments. Japan had 2 nuclear bombs dropped on major population centers, killing many and causing radiation poisoning and cancer to generations.

War sucks. To end wars, particularly very bad wars, you often have to make terrible decisions, and there is almost never a way to totally prevent collateral damage. You just have to make what you believe to be the best available decisions that will be the best for the most people.

I feel that the ending of Mass Effect 3 shows the reality of war in the best way it can. I'm sorry that the decisions it presented you were so hard for you TC, but maybe now you will be able to sympathize a little bit more with the people who actually have to make those types of decisions in real life.

Best statement in the topic.

And completely misses the point of the OP.  
Earth in ruins, every city destroyed much more so than Japan at the end of WW2. 
In fact the home world of every single council race, and Terminus race has been nearly destroyed. 

How is any of that not severe collateral damage. 

The OP isn't asking for a change that takes any of that away, in fact he's saying that even more of that should occur in order to get a "happy ending"..

[3DandBeyond]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

Maybe somebody already pointed this out, maybe not, but I don't feel like reading 42 pages to find out so here it goes.

TC points out that he has several family members that fought in WW2, and his main complaint about the ending of the game is the methods that you must use to end the war that are very undesirable. Have you forgotten what it took to end WW2? The Americans and Russians carpet bombed the crap out of most of germany, decimating the country and then split it in two to be run by puppet governments. Japan had 2 nuclear bombs dropped on major population centers, killing many and causing radiation poisoning and cancer to generations.

War sucks. To end wars, particularly very bad wars, you often have to make terrible decisions, and there is almost never a way to totally prevent collateral damage. You just have to make what you believe to be the best available decisions that will be the best for the most people.

I feel that the ending of Mass Effect 3 shows the reality of war in the best way it can. I'm sorry that the decisions it presented you were so hard for you TC, but maybe now you will be able to sympathize a little bit more with the people who actually have to make those types of decisions in real life.

So in WWII, would it have been alright to leave the ****s in charge of everything, if Churchill had become the Furher?  Or, how about if all people were forcibly made to become part Japanese and the Japanese were given full understanding of all other people?  Or, if to get it over with we just decided to go and sacrifice the whole population of say, Mexico to make Japan and Germany stop?

Collateral damage is not altering people genetically or at a molecular level, nor is it exterminating a race of people, nor is it allowing the enemy to become your overseers.  Collateral damage wasn't dropping bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki-that was targeted damage.

There is no best available decision to make in ME3.  The 3 choices are exactly what was being fought against in WWII-Genocide, forced eugenics, and totalitarianism.  Those aren't IMO the types of outcomes to sacrifice anyone to achieve.   And they are not what I'd want in a videogame where the hero overcomes evil.  This is the hero giving in to evil and choosing which flavor of evil is ok.  My opinion, not yours.  Yes, war has consequences-so should these endings.  They are way too happy for what they are.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 septembre 2012 - 04:54 .

[3DandBeyond]

Warrior Craess wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

Maybe somebody already pointed this out, maybe not, but I don't feel like reading 42 pages to find out so here it goes.

TC points out that he has several family members that fought in WW2, and his main complaint about the ending of the game is the methods that you must use to end the war that are very undesirable. Have you forgotten what it took to end WW2? The Americans and Russians carpet bombed the crap out of most of germany, decimating the country and then split it in two to be run by puppet governments. Japan had 2 nuclear bombs dropped on major population centers, killing many and causing radiation poisoning and cancer to generations.

War sucks. To end wars, particularly very bad wars, you often have to make terrible decisions, and there is almost never a way to totally prevent collateral damage. You just have to make what you believe to be the best available decisions that will be the best for the most people.

I feel that the ending of Mass Effect 3 shows the reality of war in the best way it can. I'm sorry that the decisions it presented you were so hard for you TC, but maybe now you will be able to sympathize a little bit more with the people who actually have to make those types of decisions in real life.

Best statement in the topic.

And completely misses the point of the OP.  
Earth in ruins, every city destroyed much more so than Japan at the end of WW2. 
In fact the home world of every single council race, and Terminus race has been nearly destroyed. 

How is any of that not severe collateral damage. 

The OP isn't asking for a change that takes any of that away, in fact he's saying that even more of that should occur in order to get a "happy ending"..

Yes, authentic consequences should have been shown even with a so-called happier ending.  Not the oddly happy slides of these endings.

[Conniving_Eagle]

I hate WWII. What a terrible story. The Soviets totally got a cheap-ass Disney ending, they weren't forced to sacrafice anything so they all lived happily ever after with no reprecussions.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 01 septembre 2012 - 04:49 .

[3DandBeyond]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I hate WWII. What a terrible story. The Soviets totally got a cheap-ass Disney ending, they weren't forced to sacrafice anything so they all lived happily ever after with no reprecussions.

Wow, all that and the fun of slash and burn to keep from being invaded.  That's the new ride at Disney World.

[Dragoonlordz]

Warrior Craess wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...
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1. No you do not deserve a refund just because you think it is bad or you did not enjoy it. If they want to give you a refund for such a reason thats upto them but you do not deserve to have it if they do not. You deserve a refund if the product is fualty or falls within the legal requirement for one.

2. I do not pre-order games, your point is moot in relation to my actions and in regard to any pre-release statements they are subject to change.

3. You are throwing a hissy fit over my saying I sell games I do not enjoy on ebay, making asinine assumptions that I never return fualty products or when the product I buy does not have what is advetised form the place I buy it or listed on the product itself. Your ignorance over the fact I just gave you an example of recent time I did return an item by implying you do not think I have ever returned one makes me question your reading comprehension and for a valid reason to question it.

4. A dev knows I do not enjoy something via feedback. That is what it exists for and I know for fact they read my feedback just like they do most peoples given restrictions on how many places they can be at once or hours in a day. Reading feedback does not equal or require responding to each feedback left for it have have been read in the first place. Do not confuse the two and use some common sense in that regard. They do not 'only' listen to threats, boycotts and withholding money. It is possible to listen to feedback and not agree with what each feedback asks for.

5. Stop making asinine assupmtions about what I do based on your own personal bias, I never once said I never complain but you do show yourself as a liar in claiming I did. I do complain and I leave feedback, I do not buy something if I think I will not enjoy it and I will return it if is not as advertised (no I do not count pre-release tweets as reliable information). Legally binding description for puchase of goods is written on the box or product description where bought from of which if does not meet that then I return it. Not on what you think might be in game or what you heard prior to the finished product being released. Tweets and quotes are to be taken with pinch of salt, they for the most part merely describe what they would like to do or hope to do not what they have actually done in some cases.

6. Lastly seems to me your the one with the problem, you put too much faith in tweets and not enough on the legally binding product descriptions at point of sale. Your the one with problem with reading comprehension to what I have said and you have a problem lying about what I said. I am done with you.

ohh my.. legally binding product descriptions... ohh we gots a winner here..  well at least he'(she in case your actually a female) is certainly winning at speaking out of his/her arse. 

from now on, any time I see posts by a certain few individuals  it's simply be blah blah blah...

The day anything intelligent comes forth from what you type will be the day I care what you think. I am still waiting for that day to come around. You haven't even got the intelligence to reply with anything of substance to what you disagree to in my post. Feel free to enlighten the world with this vast knowledge as to what you think you deserve a refund for that contradicts what I said. Did you forget that the only thing the BBB posted on this subject was a blog entry from an individual who works for the BBB and nothing else? That they took no action outside of that one persons blog? That also nothing came of the FTC complaint either. Self-believed entitlement vs actual legal entitlement, the latter of which I referred to and mentioned above. You can believe whatever you want but if the law says otherwise it is indeed upto the seller to provide at their discretion whether you like it or not.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:08 .

[3DandBeyond]

Ok, just to reiterate. This thread is about asking Bioware to take another look at the game(s) and try to see it from the perspective of those that feel left out. I'm asking them to consider adding to the endings, to make it possible to achieve an ending where Shepard could (if you work hard enough at it) live and only the reapers could be destroyed. I am not asking them to change the other endings so as to ruin them for those who like them. I'm asking for some slight additional content at the least that would return the game to playability for the rest of us. Additionally, there is DLC that has been requested that I do think would be especially satisfying for others. The consideration here is not only to make more money for the franchise, but to make more content that would appeal to a large segment of players. I think one of those things could include some sort of aftermath and even as many have requested, reunion content.

I am additionally asking that they consider continuing to make games in the ME universe (perhaps not well received if ending content is not re-considered) that are in this same unique vein. I fully understand Shepard's story may be done after this game, but feel there is room for a sequel with a new character set in this same galaxy.

Primarily though, I feel this game lost sight of the person that was the best marketing device ME had-Shepard. Please reconsider.

[Warrior Craess]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...
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1. No you do not deserve a refund just because you think it is bad or you did not enjoy it. If they want to give you a refund for such a reason thats upto them but you do not deserve to have it if they do not. You deserve a refund if the product is fualty or falls within the legal requirement for one.

2. I do not pre-order games, your point is moot in relation to my actions and in regard to any pre-release statements they are subject to change.

3. You are throwing a hissy fit over my saying I sell games I do not enjoy on ebay, making asinine assumptions that I never return fualty products or when the product I buy does not have what is advetised form the place I buy it or listed on the product itself. Your ignorance over the fact I just gave you an example of recent time I did return an item by implying you do not think I have ever returned one makes me question your reading comprehension and for a valid reason to question it.

4. A dev knows I do not enjoy something via feedback. That is what it exists for and I know for fact they read my feedback just like they do most peoples given restrictions on how many places they can be at once or hours in a day. Reading feedback does not equal or require responding to each feedback left for it have have been read in the first place. Do not confuse the two and use some common sense in that regard. They do not 'only' listen to threats, boycotts and withholding money. It is possible to listen to feedback and not agree with what each feedback asks for.

5. Stop making asinine assupmtions about what I do based on your own personal bias, I never once said I never complain but you do show yourself as a liar in claiming I did. I do complain and I leave feedback, I do not buy something if I think I will not enjoy it and I will return it if is not as advertised (no I do not count pre-release tweets as reliable information). Legally binding description for puchase of goods is written on the box or product description where bought from of which if does not meet that then I return it. Not on what you think might be in game or what you heard prior to the finished product being released. Tweets and quotes are to be taken with pinch of salt, they for the most part merely describe what they would like to do or hope to do not what they have actually done in some cases.

6. Lastly seems to me your the one with the problem, you put too much faith in tweets and not enough on the legally binding product descriptions at point of sale. Your the one with problem with reading comprehension to what I have said and you have a problem lying about what I said. I am done with you.

ohh my.. legally binding product descriptions... ohh we gots a winner here..  well at least he'(she in case your actually a female) is certainly winning at speaking out of his/her arse. 

from now on, any time I see posts by a certain few individuals  it's simply be blah blah blah...

The day anything intelligent comes forth from what you type will be the day I care what you think. I am still waiting for that day to come around. You haven't even got the intelligence to reply with anything of substance to what you disagree to in my post. Feel free to enlighten the world with this vast knowledge as to what you think you deserve a refund for that contradicts what I said. Did you forget that the only thing the BBB posted on this subject was a blog entry from an individual who works for the BBB and nothing else? That they took no action outside of that one persons blog? That also nothing came of the FTC complaint either. Self-believed entitlement vs actual legal entitlement, the latter of which I mentioned above. You can believe whatever you want but if the law says otherwise it is indeed upto the seller to provide at their discretion whether you like it or not.

Why I deserve a refund? For a game that didn't satisfy me? For a game that I completed with in the 3 day blanket return policy? 

ok how about this, becuase if the store I spend all my gaming money at (and it's fairly significant amount) doesn't grant me a refund, I'll take my business and the business of my friends elsewhere. 

It's a purely business matter, has nothing to do with "deserve" or "legal" or "entitlement". 

Maybe you can grasp the simple fact that where I buy the games from actually values my business a bit more than bioware does. 

Modifié par Warrior Craess, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:11 .

[3DandBeyond]

The point is, that you are allowed to return things for other than "false advertising". And it's not asserting some legal authority or special privilege. It's saying the product in some way failed to be what it should have been. Video games have seemed to be immune from this and so we get what we get and some devs have no incentive to do better.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:15 .

[dreman9999]

Warrior Craess wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

Maybe somebody already pointed this out, maybe not, but I don't feel like reading 42 pages to find out so here it goes.

TC points out that he has several family members that fought in WW2, and his main complaint about the ending of the game is the methods that you must use to end the war that are very undesirable. Have you forgotten what it took to end WW2? The Americans and Russians carpet bombed the crap out of most of germany, decimating the country and then split it in two to be run by puppet governments. Japan had 2 nuclear bombs dropped on major population centers, killing many and causing radiation poisoning and cancer to generations.

War sucks. To end wars, particularly very bad wars, you often have to make terrible decisions, and there is almost never a way to totally prevent collateral damage. You just have to make what you believe to be the best available decisions that will be the best for the most people.

I feel that the ending of Mass Effect 3 shows the reality of war in the best way it can. I'm sorry that the decisions it presented you were so hard for you TC, but maybe now you will be able to sympathize a little bit more with the people who actually have to make those types of decisions in real life.

Best statement in the topic.

And completely misses the point of the OP.  
Earth in ruins, every city destroyed much more so than Japan at the end of WW2. 
In fact the home world of every single council race, and Terminus race has been nearly destroyed. 

How is any of that not severe collateral damage. 

The OP isn't asking for a change that takes any of that away, in fact he's saying that even more of that should occur in order to get a "happy ending"..

That's that problem and what the commeter is addressing. He is directly focusing on the fact that the op wants a happy ending. He's pointing out wars at the extremes are not like that.

He has a point.

Added, this is not the direction BW want the story to go. The very Idea for the ending is to bring the player to moral conflict because of the choices in hand. Having a happy ending choice negates the fact that the want to bring the player to moral conflict.

That it how the game orignally was advertized.
 

"Many choices to make, none of them easy."

[JPR1964]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

The day anything intelligent comes forth from what you type will be the day I care what you think. I am still waiting for that day to come around. You haven't even got the intelligence to reply with anything of substance to what you disagree to in my post. Feel free to enlighten the world with this vast knowledge as to what you think you deserve a refund for that contradicts what I said. Did you forget that the only thing the BBB posted on this subject was a blog entry from an individual who works for the BBB and nothing else? That they took no action outside of that one persons blog? That also nothing came of the FTC complaint either. Self-believed entitlement vs actual legal entitlement, the latter of which I mentioned above. You can believe whatever you want but if the law says otherwise it is indeed upto the seller to provide at their discretion whether you like it or not.

For what we care about your life...

We are here, because, in OUR opinions, they just destroyed a LOVED franchise...

You're not agree with us, fine...

But playing name game with someone probably much younger than you, really ...



JPR out!

[Applepie_Svk]

Mr.House wrote...

ME3 had a better power system, better selection of weapons, better leveling up system, weapon modding similar to ME and squadmates powers where better handled. Also more armor customization. 

Jensen said it once: I never asked for this ...

I can agree that it was nice improvment and yet somehow too much action mode in compare with previous games but I would sacrifice the MP, kinect and even something from that system to get better story, story which ME3 should be.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

The point is, that you are allowed to return things for other than "false advertising". And it's not asserting some legal authority or special privilege. It's saying the product in some way failed to be what it should have been. Video games have seemed to be immune from this and so we get what we get.

Your issue is that the choice in the end of the game are too extreme for you.

 

The orignal advertizemnt ofthe game from the stat was..
"Many hard choices, none of them easy."

How does having hard choices in the end of thegame nagate that?

You were never garunteed a happy ending to the story at any time.

[dreman9999]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

ME3 had a better power system, better selection of weapons, better leveling up system, weapon modding similar to ME and squadmates powers where better handled. Also more armor customization. 

Jensen said it once: I never asked for this ...

I can agree that it was nice improvment and yet somehow too much action mode in compare with previous games but I would sacrifice the MP, kinect and even something from that system to get better story, story which ME3 should be.

This is an action rpg.Of couse the action is going to get better.
Added, the issue here is not the story of ME3 but ending. This is not a topic complining about the entire story, just the ending. There is not issues with the story that make it bad.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

That's that problem and what the commeter is addressing. He is directly focusing on the fact that the op wants a happy ending. He's pointing out wars at the extremes are not like that.

He has a point.

Added, this is not the direction BW want the story to go. The very Idea for the ending is to bring the player to moral conflict because of the choices in hand. Having a happy ending choice negates the fact that the want to bring the player to moral conflict.

That it how the game orignally was advertized.
 

"Many choices to make, none of them easy."

Dreman pls try to get this through your head, she isn't asking for a "Happy Ending". I'll say this one more time for you, you have worlds burning, over a million lives lost in the Reaper Harvest, and people fighting for theirs, that isn't a happy ending its bitter sweet. Your always talking about moral conflict when there isn't one in the endings.

And I like how your trying to use a ME1 advertisment to try an defend ME3, thats nowhere near helpful to what you trying to do

[dreman9999]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I hate WWII. What a terrible story. The Soviets totally got a cheap-ass Disney ending, they weren't forced to sacrafice anything so they all lived happily ever after with no reprecussions.

The burn their farmlands down to beat an enemy. And everyone had to live in an oppressive governement in that country...That's a happy ending?

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

ME3 had a better power system, better selection of weapons, better leveling up system, weapon modding similar to ME and squadmates powers where better handled. Also more armor customization. 

Jensen said it once: I never asked for this ...

I can agree that it was nice improvment and yet somehow too much action mode in compare with previous games but I would sacrifice the MP, kinect and even something from that system to get better story, story which ME3 should be.

This is an action rpg.Of couse the action is going to get better.
Added, the issue here is not the story of ME3 but ending. This is not a topic complining about the entire story, just the ending. There is not issues with the story that make it bad.

even for an aRPG, action never comes before RPG thats why its called aRPG

[Dragoonlordz]

Warrior Craess wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

1. No you do not deserve a refund just because you think it is bad or you did not enjoy it. If they want to give you a refund for such a reason thats upto them but you do not deserve to have it if they do not. You deserve a refund if the product is fualty or falls within the legal requirement for one.

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ohh my.. legally binding product descriptions... ohh we gots a winner here..  well at least he'(she in case your actually a female) is certainly winning at speaking out of his/her arse. 

from now on, any time I see posts by a certain few individuals  it's simply be blah blah blah...

The day anything intelligent comes forth from what you type will be the day I care what you think. I am still waiting for that day to come around. You haven't even got the intelligence to reply with anything of substance to what you disagree to in my post. Feel free to enlighten the world with this vast knowledge as to what you think you deserve a refund for that contradicts what I said. Did you forget that the only thing the BBB posted on this subject was a blog entry from an individual who works for the BBB and nothing else? That they took no action outside of that one persons blog? That also nothing came of the FTC complaint either. Self-believed entitlement vs actual legal entitlement, the latter of which I mentioned above. You can believe whatever you want but if the law says otherwise it is indeed upto the seller to provide at their discretion whether you like it or not.

Why I deserve a refund? For a game that didn't satisfy me? For a game that I completed with in the 3 day blanket return policy? 

ok how about this, becuase if the store I spend all my gaming money at (and it's fairly significant amount) doesn't grant me a refund, I'll take my business and the business of my friends elsewhere. 

It's a purely business matter, has nothing to do with "deserve" or "legal" or "entitlement". 

Maybe you can grasp the simple fact that where I buy the games from actually values my business a bit more than bioware does. 

I went and highlighted the first point for you since you appear to need help reading. My comment is an and/or statement. Legal and store policy which is upto them if make exceptions and I clearly stated within that comment you took offense to.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:43 .

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

That's that problem and what the commeter is addressing. He is directly focusing on the fact that the op wants a happy ending. He's pointing out wars at the extremes are not like that.

He has a point.

Added, this is not the direction BW want the story to go. The very Idea for the ending is to bring the player to moral conflict because of the choices in hand. Having a happy ending choice negates the fact that the want to bring the player to moral conflict.

That it how the game orignally was advertized.
 

"Many choices to make, none of them easy."

Dreman pls try to get this through your head, she isn't asking for a "Happy Ending". I'll say this one more time for you, you have worlds burning, over a million lives lost in the Reaper Harvest, and people fighting for theirs, that isn't a happy ending its bitter sweet. Your always talking about moral conflict when there isn't one in the endings.

And I like how your trying to use a ME1 advertisment to try an defend ME3, thats nowhere near helpful to what you trying to do

What the op just wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Ok, just to reiterate. This thread is about asking Bioware to take another look at the game(s) and try to see it from the perspective of those that feel left out. I'm asking them to consider adding to the endings, to make it possible to achieve an ending where Shepard could (if you work hard enough at it) live and only the reapers could be destroyed. 

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That is a happy ending. Having Shepard live and kill only the reapers is a happy ending.
A happy ending is exactly what the op wants.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

ME3 had a better power system, better selection of weapons, better leveling up system, weapon modding similar to ME and squadmates powers where better handled. Also more armor customization. 

Jensen said it once: I never asked for this ...

I can agree that it was nice improvment and yet somehow too much action mode in compare with previous games but I would sacrifice the MP, kinect and even something from that system to get better story, story which ME3 should be.

This is an action rpg.Of couse the action is going to get better.
Added, the issue here is not the story of ME3 but ending. This is not a topic complining about the entire story, just the ending. There is not issues with the story that make it bad.

even for an aRPG, action never comes before RPG thats why its called aRPG

Your taking as if ME was ever a deep rpg to begin with... The rpg element in ME3 are deeper then ME1.