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Oransel wrote...

Seival wrote...

Making an "alternate endings set" corrupts the story as the organic whole. Developers who do that, are not good developers.

BioWare are the best game developers ever existed, and they will never corrupt their own game. I think it's clear they care about the ideas more than about the money.


I've taken you seriously until I've read this purely blatant troll post. Don't even need to argue. I understand that it is easy to troll heart-broken fans here, but you are too bad at this :)

Do you not understand that the entire point of the ending choices was to have the player go through moral conflict?

How does having a choice that allows Separd to live and just only to kill the reeapers countinue that concept of moral conflict?

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OP, your position is selfish. You can't even imagine how many people liked the endings and don't wanna anything to be changed. Did you think about those people before posting this? I don't think so.

No offence, but all you are trying to do is to please one group of people by disappointing everyone else... If you want an "independence-day-style-holywoodish-happy-ending-silly-story", then you already have tons of such games available already. Just look around, and choose the one with the most bad-ass-hero-photo on the box... But please, don't try to apply those silly holywoodish standards to my favorite game.

BioWare will not remake the endings (thanks, BioWare). You have to deal with it.

/thread


Lol... this is funny.  "OMG STOP TELLING BIOWARE TO MAKE ALTERNATE ENDINGS! I DONT WANT TO BE "FORCED" TO DOWNLOAD THEM! ITS NOT FAIR! I SHOULDNT BE FORCED TO DOWNLOAD CONTENT WAAAAAAH"

Thats how I read that.  NOBODY is forcing you or anyone else who enjoys the current retarded endings to download anything.  In fact you can just go away and leave the BSN forever and be content if you wish.  Not saying you have to.  Just saying that any changes they make will not do anything to you - unless you make yourself get involved by downloading the DLC.

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dreman9999 wrote...

Oransel wrote...

Seival wrote...

Making an "alternate endings set" corrupts the story as the organic whole. Developers who do that, are not good developers.

BioWare are the best game developers ever existed, and they will never corrupt their own game. I think it's clear they care about the ideas more than about the money.


I've taken you seriously until I've read this purely blatant troll post. Don't even need to argue. I understand that it is easy to troll heart-broken fans here, but you are too bad at this :)

Do you not understand that the entire point of the ending choices was to have the player go through moral conflict?

How does having a choice that allows Separd to live and just only to kill the reeapers countinue that concept of moral conflict?


Do you not understand that the ending choices should have something to do with all the other choices we've made? It's that concept called cohesiveness. :P

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3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

Making an "alternate endings set" corrupts the story as the organic whole. Developers who do that, are not good developers.

BioWare are the best game developers ever existed, and they will never corrupt their own game. I think it's clear they care about the ideas more than about the money.


This from the person who was 100% positive the Normandy crashing on the jungle planet in the original endings was a "crash test" set far into the future-so certain of this that anyone that disagreed was subjected to some real hatred. 

Forreal? that's possibly the worst theory I've seen on this forum. painful is what it is.

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Almostfaceman wrote...

Do you not understand that the ending choices should have something to do with all the other choices we've made? It's that concept called cohesiveness. :P

You mean all of the choices you made to stop the Reapers should result in an ending where you stop the Reapers? Crazy, BW dropped the ball on that one...

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Almostfaceman wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Oransel wrote...

Seival wrote...

Making an "alternate endings set" corrupts the story as the organic whole. Developers who do that, are not good developers.

BioWare are the best game developers ever existed, and they will never corrupt their own game. I think it's clear they care about the ideas more than about the money.


I've taken you seriously until I've read this purely blatant troll post. Don't even need to argue. I understand that it is easy to troll heart-broken fans here, but you are too bad at this :)

Do you not understand that the entire point of the ending choices was to have the player go through moral conflict?

How does having a choice that allows Separd to live and just only to kill the reeapers countinue that concept of moral conflict?


Do you not understand that the ending choices should have something to do with all the other choices we've made? It's that concept called cohesiveness. :P


Did you even play ME3 with EC installed? I don't think so...

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LOL....ok you win,everything is perfect.


Glad to help :)

And I hope this image will help you to calm down (if you really chose Synthesis):

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...............you still haven't said why there can't be a Shepard LIVES ending??

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Xellith wrote...

Seival wrote...

OP, your position is selfish. You can't even imagine how many people liked the endings and don't wanna anything to be changed. Did you think about those people before posting this? I don't think so.

No offence, but all you are trying to do is to please one group of people by disappointing everyone else... If you want an "independence-day-style-holywoodish-happy-ending-silly-story", then you already have tons of such games available already. Just look around, and choose the one with the most bad-ass-hero-photo on the box... But please, don't try to apply those silly holywoodish standards to my favorite game.

BioWare will not remake the endings (thanks, BioWare). You have to deal with it.

/thread


Lol... this is funny.  "OMG STOP TELLING BIOWARE TO MAKE ALTERNATE ENDINGS! I DONT WANT TO BE "FORCED" TO DOWNLOAD THEM! ITS NOT FAIR! I SHOULDNT BE FORCED TO DOWNLOAD CONTENT WAAAAAAH"

Thats how I read that.  NOBODY is forcing you or anyone else who enjoys the current retarded endings to download anything.  In fact you can just go away and leave the BSN forever and be content if you wish.  Not saying you have to.  Just saying that any changes they make will not do anything to you - unless you make yourself get involved by downloading the DLC.



The time spent on making these new endings could be spent on better things. Stuff like Leviathan and Omega. 

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darkway1 wrote...

Seival wrote...

darkway1 wrote...

LOL....ok you win,everything is perfect.


Glad to help :)

And I hope this image will help you to calm down (if you really chose Synthesis):

Posted Image



...............you still haven't said why there can't be a Shepard LIVES ending??


I said that there is Shepard VI, which reflects Shepard's personality. And the picture above gives us a clue, what hapenned to all VIs after the Synthesis.

...You are welcome :)

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Seival wrote...
Making an "alternate endings set" corrupts the story as the organic whole. Developers who do that, are not good developers.

BioWare are the best game developers ever existed, and they will never corrupt their own game. I think it's clear they care about the ideas more than about the money.

They already corrupted their own game with that abomination they call "the Catalyst". a.k.a The shiny blob

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Seival wrote...

Did you even play ME3 with EC installed? I don't think so...


Did the EC get rid of the deus ex machina? Nope.

Instead of a finely crafted story where we can see that choices made throughout the series somehow effect the outcome we get a literal deus ex machina that drops down out of nowhere and gives us choices that have nothing to do with how we played the three games.

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Some people will never be happy

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dreman9999 wrote...
Do you not understand that the entire point of the ending choices was to have the player go through moral conflict?

How does having a choice that allows Separd to live and just only to kill the reeapers countinue that concept of moral conflict?


Moral conflict was not there for me and a lot of others.  More like a WTF is this?!!!?  

Justin Bieber is quite popular to though so it dont take much to impress I guess.  

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Cerberus growing in power is not explained IMO. You can wave it off with Reaper Tech and Indoctrination etc, but it still a real hurdle to go from 150 operatives to the forces you face in ME3. With regards Reaper Tech. It took the Turians 11 months to develop Thanix cannons. This is the largest military force in the Galaxy with astronomical resource capability and this one technology took twice as long as the many advances Cerberus made.

In Sci-Fi important factors are getting the Invisible Book correct and sticking to established lore. The endings break important themes with regards introduction of a new enemy, unexplained technology and contrived logic. Two choices have been established in game series as being the desire of the Reapers, but you have to take the Catalyst on faith alone.

The addition of the catalyst etc only added confusing layers that are unexplained and unresolved and deviate from many clearly stated themes in the game. Also as a game itself removing player involvement at the conclusion of the game was not good game development.

I can recognise when something is pretentious, divisive and illogical and I don't regard that as good game development or story telling.

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Dear Retakers. If you really like the silly standard stories more than the true sci-fi, then go and play Duke Nukem Forever instead of trolling the developers.

...Thanks in advance.

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I will restate my opinion and wish. I wish for Bioware to consider taking another look at this franchise. I am demanding nothing and I'm not asking that this be forced on everyone. I am asking Bioware to consider this as a whole-reuniting vast groups of fans with the larger community by assessing the validity of their wishes. I do not want certain preferences to be removed so that other players cannot have the ending "choices" they love and worship. I am merely asking that Bioware consider truly making something additional that will be more inclusive, allowing others to have the same value that those calling me selfish now have.

I was taught what selfish means because I grew up in a large family. It meant I didn't always get my way in every possible way. So, I'm not asking for that. If I were I'd want the endings redone. I was taught that being unselfish means sharing. What this post seems to have garnered is a lot of people that even while expressing indications they themselves are not truly happy with the endings they got, somehow see it as unselfish to protest requests for an ending they might actually like.

What I see mostly is the biggest oddity of all: people are saying making an ending like I suggest would be bad because most people would want it. If that's the case, I think it should be clear to Bioware-there's money to be made in making a path forward for this galaxy.

People want to debate the rightness or wrongness of the endings. Ok, fine. But there's no real debate to be had. We can't agree and some won't listen, instead merely reveling in out-talking others through nauseating repetition. That isn't intelligent debate. But again, if you see the endings as morally sound, or as moral dilemmas that needed to beyou are not convincing anyone here, no matter what. You've built your walls. I see them as immoral choices that did not and should not have been there in place of the true goal. This was not real life, but a video game for fun and entertainment. We cannot and will not agree.

You who see these ideas as morally ok or as great moral choices that should exist should be happy. You have that. If I ask them to create additional, extra, non-core material it should not threaten you, but for some reason it does. I think a poster has repeatedly said it best for you. You have chosen an ending that so far is best for you. I am happy for you. But if another ending came along you are afraid others might want that one more. I don't get this at all. For some reason, some of you think as long as you are happy that's all that matters. If the roles were reversed, I sincerely would want as many people as possible to love the game in its entirety just like me; if some were "left out" I would worry that this might impact whether more DLC will be forthcoming-fewer sales means less money for more quality content. And perhaps you should worry, even some at IGN are not proclaiming Leviathan to be a huge success. I do want more content, but I want meaningful content of the type that can draw fans back.

Again, I don't want to change anything for you and I wasn't even asking for only one Shepard lives kind of ending. I clearly asked them to perhaps consider making a fully functioning crucible that targets reapers only and that based on what you do might indeed have real collateral damage, explosions that could destroy vast numbers of people, the Normandy, Shepard's friends, and Shepard-or even have Shepard live while the LI dies. Along with that one path, one way forward to get to a true victory where only the reapers (of all living beings) are destroyed. Destruction would still exist and horrid things will have happened-those are the costs of war, not arbitrary, contrived choices IMO.

I'm trying to be rather unselfish, because what I ask for is not some huge retcon or fix (that I could dream of), but a way to make this somewhat agreeable. I am asking for this so as to extend the life of the game, to encourage future DLC and perhaps even games of this ilk (and of quality), and yes because it's what I'd like. Others have what they like-I think it would be singularly unselfish of them to want others to be happy, too.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 septembre 2012 - 04:33 .


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And I don't want BioWare to have consider taking another look at this franchise. I think the franchise is good as it is, and doesn't need any changes. The only thing it needs is more DLCs like Leviathan, and the Sequel-RPG-Trilogy with ME3 save import feature.

Modifié par Seival, 01 septembre 2012 - 04:40 .


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Dear Retakers. If you really like the silly standard stories more than the true sci-fi, then go and play Duke Nukem Forever instead of trolling the developers.

...Thanks in advance.


Subjective.  There is no such thing as true sci-fi.  I think the developers do a fine job with the animations and maps and sounds.  The writers are my issue.  Or writer, depending.  

Spekaing of silly stories did you hear the one about "Yo dawg..."  nevermind.  

You obviously like Dues Ex stuff which is cool, I cant stand that type of crap personally. 

Modifié par vivaladricas, 01 septembre 2012 - 04:45 .


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Almostfaceman wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Oransel wrote...

Seival wrote...

Making an "alternate endings set" corrupts the story as the organic whole. Developers who do that, are not good developers.

BioWare are the best game developers ever existed, and they will never corrupt their own game. I think it's clear they care about the ideas more than about the money.


I've taken you seriously until I've read this purely blatant troll post. Don't even need to argue. I understand that it is easy to troll heart-broken fans here, but you are too bad at this :)

Do you not understand that the entire point of the ending choices was to have the player go through moral conflict?

How does having a choice that allows Separd to live and just only to kill the reeapers countinue that concept of moral conflict?


Do you not understand that the ending choices should have something to do with all the other choices we've made? It's that concept called cohesiveness. :P

So ems has nothing to do with what choices you get in the end of the game?

Get low ems and beat the game with that. Then say you choices don't matter.

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Seival wrote...

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And I don't want BioWare to have consider taking another look at this franchise. I think the franchise is good as it is, and doesn't need any changes. The only thing it needs is more DLCs like Leviathan, and the Sequel-RPG-Trilogy with ME3 save import feature.


Then you might want to quit supporting my thread.  You and others like you are continually helping to keep the topic going-so thank you.

Of course, it's totally up to them and not you.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 septembre 2012 - 04:47 .


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Cerberus growing in power is not explained IMO. You can wave it off with Reaper Tech and Indoctrination etc, but it still a real hurdle to go from 150 operatives to the forces you face in ME3. With regards Reaper Tech. It took the Turians 11 months to develop Thanix cannons. This is the largest military force in the Galaxy with astronomical resource capability and this one technology took twice as long as the many advances Cerberus made.

In Sci-Fi important factors are getting the Invisible Book correct and sticking to established lore. The endings break important themes with regards introduction of a new enemy, unexplained technology and contrived logic. Two choices have been established in game series as being the desire of the Reapers, but you have to take the Catalyst on faith alone.

The addition of the catalyst etc only added confusing layers that are unexplained and unresolved and deviate from many clearly stated themes in the game. Also as a game itself removing player involvement at the conclusion of the game was not good game development.

I can recognise when something is pretentious, divisive and illogical and I don't regard that as good game development or story telling.

1.Did you not play the sactuary mission and listen , nor the cronos station mission and watch the logs...It's explained.

2.The catalyst is every reapers at once. This more of a case of the enemy having an ability you did not know. The catalyst to the reapers is like Legion and a single geth unit.
Added, synthesis is the only choice at th end of the game that has no explination. If you don;'tlike it ...Don't pick it.
Contol and destory are not choice the reapers want ...Only synthesis

3.Who is adding the catalyst doing that? He there to explaint the reapers. Explining the reapers does not counter the theme of the story because the story is about stopping them.

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Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Xellith wrote...

Seival wrote...

OP, your position is selfish. You can't even imagine how many people liked the endings and don't wanna anything to be changed. Did you think about those people before posting this? I don't think so.

No offence, but all you are trying to do is to please one group of people by disappointing everyone else... If you want an "independence-day-style-holywoodish-happy-ending-silly-story", then you already have tons of such games available already. Just look around, and choose the one with the most bad-ass-hero-photo on the box... But please, don't try to apply those silly holywoodish standards to my favorite game.

BioWare will not remake the endings (thanks, BioWare). You have to deal with it.

/thread


Lol... this is funny.  "OMG STOP TELLING BIOWARE TO MAKE ALTERNATE ENDINGS! I DONT WANT TO BE "FORCED" TO DOWNLOAD THEM! ITS NOT FAIR! I SHOULDNT BE FORCED TO DOWNLOAD CONTENT WAAAAAAH"

Thats how I read that.  NOBODY is forcing you or anyone else who enjoys the current retarded endings to download anything.  In fact you can just go away and leave the BSN forever and be content if you wish.  Not saying you have to.  Just saying that any changes they make will not do anything to you - unless you make yourself get involved by downloading the DLC.



The time spent on making these new endings could be spent on better things. Stuff like Leviathan and Omega. 


Well if you think Leviathan is a better option than an ending that makes sense. I can't help you then... except to recommend you to a good neurologist. I'll put in a good word for you.

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ASmoothCriminalx wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Seival wrote...

Making an "alternate endings set" corrupts the story as the organic whole. Developers who do that, are not good developers.

BioWare are the best game developers ever existed, and they will never corrupt their own game. I think it's clear they care about the ideas more than about the money.


This from the person who was 100% positive the Normandy crashing on the jungle planet in the original endings was a "crash test" set far into the future-so certain of this that anyone that disagreed was subjected to some real hatred. 

Forreal? that's possibly the worst theory I've seen on this forum. painful is what it is.


Yes, Seival created a thread that said the EC would prove that the Normandy crashing on the jungle planet was a future "crash test" to make sure the rebuilt relays worked right. S/he laughed at anyone that didn't believe it and said people would see how stupid they were when it was in the EC.

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vivaladricas wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Do you not understand that the entire point of the ending choices was to have the player go through moral conflict?

How does having a choice that allows Separd to live and just only to kill the reeapers countinue that concept of moral conflict?


Moral conflict was not there for me and a lot of others.  More like a WTF is this?!!!?  

Justin Bieber is quite popular to though so it dont take much to impress I guess.  

The ec make it clear what is going on...Listen more. The catalyst view have nothing to do with the choice at hand outside of synthesis.

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Dreman do you ever sleep? and still talking?