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[Dragoonlordz]

Galbrant wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The time spent on making these new endings could be spent on better things. Stuff like Leviathan and Omega. 

Well if you think Leviathan is a better option than an ending that makes sense. I can't help you then... except to recommend you to a good neurologist. I'll put in a good word for you.

The ending does make sense to a vast amount of people on here, you just don't like it.

I find it amusing that most of the people still whining about the ending are one's who watched it on youtube. Never bothered to get all the war assets which explain the crucible in more detail, never bothered to track down all the codex entries which explains even more detail both from core game and the DLC's. They just watched cinematics and some dialogue then rely on that for their arguments without realising maybe did not make sense to you because you did not did not gather the information which explains it in game.

I also think non ending DLC is better to concentrate on than yet more ending DLC and Bioware agree's with me view on that because they have said so. It appears to me though a large portion of the fans did not like the original ending while some did, they created the EC and from everything I have seen around half of the people who did not like the original were happy enough or content with the EC. Why should they cater now to those remaining who did not the original or the EC instead of moving forward and producing content for those now who are okay with it and do not want to revisit the ending yet again.

Also someone else mentioned it in another thread, a person who did not like the original or EC that he too wants non ending DLC because he liked the game and wanted to play it without going back to the ending again or reminded of it. People like him also do not want new ending DLC. So what your suggesting will re-open that wound of his again by yet another ending DLC.

Xellith wrote...

Thats how I read that.  NOBODY is forcing you or anyone else who enjoys the current retarded endings to download anything.  In fact you can just go away and leave the BSN forever and be content if you wish.  Not saying you have to.  Just saying that any changes they make will not do anything to you - unless you make yourself get involved by downloading the DLC.

To this comment, how about a switch of perspective.

In fact you can just go away and leave the BSN forever and be content bitter over a video game if you wish.  Not saying you have to.  Just saying that any changes they make they told you no more ending DLC so they will not do what you want this time around - unless you make yourself get involved by downloading the DLC get over the fact you do not get everything you want in this world just because you want it.

BSN should be for those who like Bioware's products not those only which hate it. It make no logical sense for those who like Bioware and their products to leave, but it does improve the community for those who hate Bioware to leave.

Also that thread title still gets on my nerves. It is not one last plea when 3D admitted she is not going to stop asking even if they tell her directly in response that not doing it. Secondly the right thing is subjective and should be renamed 'do what you want'.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:41 .

[Benchpress610]

vivaladricas wrote...

Seival wrote...

Dear Retakers. If you really like the silly standard stories more than the true sci-fi, then go and play Duke Nukem Forever instead of trolling the developers.

...Thanks in advance.

Subjective.  There is no such thing as true sci-fi.  I think the developers do a fine job with the animations and maps and sounds.  The writers are my issue.  Or writer, depending.  

Spekaing of silly stories did you hear the one about "Yo dawg..."  nevermind.  

You obviously like Dues Ex stuff which is cool, I cant stand that type of crap personally. 

Exactly…Mass Effect WAS a hard sci-fi game/story with copious backstory and codex entries, until the last ten minutes when the writers, without prior notice, changed it into “Alice in Wonder Land”

Modifié par Benchpress610, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:30 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Seival wrote...

@3DandBeyond

And I don't want BioWare to have consider taking another look at this franchise. I think the franchise is good as it is, and doesn't need any changes. The only thing it needs is more DLCs like Leviathan, and the Sequel-RPG-Trilogy with ME3 save import feature.

Yep, I totally see how 3D is the selfish one in this discussion.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

That not what any is say. We say that this won't be done because this is not the direction BW want the story to go. They want the ending to bring the palyer to moral conflict. If the add a"Shepard lives, reapers die only" choice then it goes agenst the concept.

When you get a job running Bioware then you can tell me the direction BW wants the story to go.  Until then, please do not presume to know what they plan on doing at the final end of ME3 and all DLC.

I am leaving this to their discretion, exactly because I fully recognize the decision rests with them.  I can express what I'd like to see, present ways I think it could work and be minimally invasive and even work with planned DLC as an adjunct.  I can express why I think it might give them additional resources and gain them fans and help them retain those sitting on the fence.  I can ask for the moon and expect nothing and maybe get nothing.

I don't presume to know how they want all this to end. I do assume BW is a company and capable of adapting to new visions in order to make things work out for what's best for their future. 

I can also express an opinion, one that Xelith (sp?) put so well-there isn't totally a moral dilemma within these choices.  If you hated AIs and want to destroy the reapers, there's no dilemma.  Nor is there one for me.  None of the choices have morality within them for me, so there's no dilemma; they are not choices for me at all.  A dilemma would be something I'd find hard to overcome but might see as acceptable to a final outcome.  If neither outcome is sufficiently good for me, there's no dilemma.

I don't ask you  to accept that, I truly do not care what you think.  You aren't even the target audience I am asking Bioware to consider.  You don't factor into this at all for me.  I'm asking BW to consider those that want to come back to ME and BW and would willingly pay even to do so, for t
his to be "made right" in some way.  I think they'd sell more and be able to make more DLC and games that way.

3d, you need totake some time to learn what BW orgianlly planned for the ending of ME as a series....They wanted the player to choosed to allow the reapers to harvest all of humanity plus Shepard to give the reaper a way to save the galexy from being destryed from the loss ofdark energy or to destroy the reapers but dooming the galexy.

Moral conflict was always the plan. This info is from the orignal head writer of the ME series. It's on his blog.

I'm not saying you can't express your opinion. I'm say what you want is not  what BW wants and you should take that into consisderation.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dreman do you ever sleep? and still talking?

Just like you never listen.

not much to listen to when you repeat the same nonsense that people countered time after time

this exchange is over

Only because you don't listen.

I rest my case

[dreman9999]

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Seival wrote...

@3DandBeyond

And I don't want BioWare to have consider taking another look at this franchise. I think the franchise is good as it is, and doesn't need any changes. The only thing it needs is more DLCs like Leviathan, and the Sequel-RPG-Trilogy with ME3 save import feature.

Yep, I totally see how 3D is the selfish one in this discussion.

Because she wants bw to take the ending a direction they don't want to.

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:29 .

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dreman do you ever sleep? and still talking?

Just like you never listen.

not much to listen to when you repeat the same nonsense that people countered time after time

this exchange is over

Only because you don't listen.

I rest my case

I rest my case.

[3DandBeyond]

AlanC9 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

You who see these ideas as morally ok or as great moral choices that should exist should be happy. You have that. If I ask them to create additional, extra, non-core material it should not threaten you, but for some reason it does. I think a poster has repeatedly said it best for you. You have chosen an ending that so far is best for you. I am happy for you. But if another ending came along you are afraid others might want that one more. I don't get this at all.

Sure, the existence of such a DLC wouldn't do anything to my game, since I wouldn't download it.My problem is with the principle of giving out escape hatches for the moral dilemmas, which is something that Bio has done too often in the past. Essentially -- and there's no way to make this not sound obnoxious -- I'm better off if Bio writes you off as a customer

I've seen other companies do this sort of thing because of this notion and they went out of business or stopped making products people like you claimed to like.  The first ones to complain?  Those such as yourself. 

You are assuming a moral dilemma truly exists for people like me-it doesn't.  I've said so in many threads where you've posted as well. 

If BW found that a large amount of people would buy content that would regain them fans, they'd be foolish not to jump on it.  That would also assure you of continued DLC.  You moan that you wish the relays were still destroyed and in a way I agree with you.  There is a distinct lack of authentic consequence to your moral dilemmas that makes them seem exceedingly trite and contrived to fit a square peg in a round hole.  I've desired real consequences and authenticity.

Considering the lackluster reviews over Leviathan even from reviewers (IGN, G4TV, and etc) that were glowingly positive over ME3, DLC for it may end up falling short quantity-wise.  Even within these reviews they are saying we know the ending and because Leviathan didn't add anything substantial it is almost pointless.  I am trying to find a way to help DLC have a point and meaning and to help everyone get more of it.

[BD Manchild]

dreman9999 wrote...

Because she want bw to take the ending a direction they don't want to.

I'd argue that they want Bioware not to go in a direction that's utter dog****. Not the most eloquent way of putting it, I admit, but that's the general gist that I get from it.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:31 .

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

You who see these ideas as morally ok or as great moral choices that should exist should be happy. You have that. If I ask them to create additional, extra, non-core material it should not threaten you, but for some reason it does. I think a poster has repeatedly said it best for you. You have chosen an ending that so far is best for you. I am happy for you. But if another ending came along you are afraid others might want that one more. I don't get this at all.

Sure, the existence of such a DLC wouldn't do anything to my game, since I wouldn't download it.My problem is with the principle of giving out escape hatches for the moral dilemmas, which is something that Bio has done too often in the past. Essentially -- and there's no way to make this not sound obnoxious -- I'm better off if Bio writes you off as a customer

I've seen other companies do this sort of thing because of this notion and they went out of business or stopped making products people like you claimed to like.  The first ones to complain?  Those such as yourself. 

You are assuming a moral dilemma truly exists for people like me-it doesn't.  I've said so in many threads where you've posted as well. 

If BW found that a large amount of people would buy content that would regain them fans, they'd be foolish not to jump on it.  That would also assure you of continued DLC.  You moan that you wish the relays were still destroyed and in a way I agree with you.  There is a distinct lack of authentic consequence to your moral dilemmas that makes them seem exceedingly trite and contrived to fit a square peg in a round hole.  I've desired real consequences and authenticity.

Considering the lackluster reviews over Leviathan even from reviewers (IGN, G4TV, and etc) that were glowingly positive over ME3, DLC for it may end up falling short quantity-wise.  Even within these reviews they are saying we know the ending and because Leviathan didn't add anything substantial it is almost pointless.  I am trying to find a way to help DLC have a point and meaning and to help everyone get more of it.

Yes, the moral delama exsist for you. The fact that youhere trying to get a Shepard live , only reapers die choice show that you are going through moral conflict. You don't want to pick the choice on hand so you go to the ones setting the choices to add the one you want.

[dreman9999]

BD Manchild wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Because she want bw to take the ending a direction they don't want to.

I'd argue that they want Bioware not to go in a direction that's utter dog****. Not the most eloquent way of putting it, I admit, but that's the general gist that I get from it.

Bs, you issue is with the catalyst. The choice have nothing to do with the catalyst outside of synthesis. Adding this choice does not undo his exsistance in the game.

The question of the crucible being a double edge sword has always been in the games, how is it bad writing when it turns out to be true?

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:36 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Dreman do you ever sleep? and still talking?

Just like you never listen.

not much to listen to when you repeat the same nonsense that people countered time after time

this exchange is over

Only because you don't listen.

I rest my case

I rest my case.

I rest my case.

[Xellith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The time spent on making these new endings could be spent on better things. Stuff like Leviathan and Omega. 

Well if you think Leviathan is a better option than an ending that makes sense. I can't help you then... except to recommend you to a good neurologist. I'll put in a good word for you.

The ending does make sense to a vast amount of people on here, you just don't like it.

I find it amusing that most of the people still whining about the ending are one's who watched it on youtube. Never bothered to get all the war assets which explain the crucible in more detail, never bothered to track down all the codex entries which explains even more detail both from core game and the DLC's. They just watched cinematics and some dialogue then rely on that for their arguments without realising maybe did not make sense to you because you did not did not gather the information which explains it in game.

I also think non ending DLC is better to concentrate on than yet more ending DLC and Bioware agree's with me view on that because they have said so. It appears to me though a large portion of the fans did not like the original ending while some did, they created the EC and from everything I have seen around half of the people who did not like the original were happy enough or content with the EC. Why should they cater now to those remaining who did not the original or the EC instead of moving forward and producing content for those now who are okay with it and do not want to revisit the ending yet again.

Also someone else mentioned it in another thread, a person who did not like the original or EC that he too wants non ending DLC because he liked the game and wanted to play it without going back to the ending again or reminded of it. People like him also do not want new ending DLC. So what your suggesting will re-open that wound of his again by yet another ending DLC.

Xellith wrote...

Thats how I read that.  NOBODY is forcing you or anyone else who enjoys the current retarded endings to download anything.  In fact you can just go away and leave the BSN forever and be content if you wish.  Not saying you have to.  Just saying that any changes they make will not do anything to you - unless you make yourself get involved by downloading the DLC.

To this comment, how about a switch of perspective.

In fact you can just go away and leave the BSN forever and be content bitter over a video game if you wish.  Not saying you have to.  Just saying that any changes they make they told you no more ending DLC so they will not do what you want this time around - unless you make yourself get involved by downloading the DLC get over the fact you do not get everything you want in this world just because you want it.

BSN should be for those who like Bioware's products not those only which hate it. It make no logical sense for those who like Bioware and their products to leave, but it does improve the community for those who hate Bioware to leave.

Except.. if YOU leave.. you can still get content "you want".  Whereas if WE leave.  We dont ever get content we want.

Give me what I paid for ME3 and Ill gladly give you my BSN account and never ask for anything again. Until then I have every right - as well as everyone else - to request changes and content just as much as those who enjoy the current content.  Even if they say it will never be changed.  We still have the right to ask.

Besides - I tend not to believe most stuff that Bioware says - I wait to see the results.  They have lied, overhyped and flip flopped on decisions contantly.

"No we are not changing the ending" holds about as much value to me as "[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers."

I wait patiently for actual dlc.

Modifié par Xellith, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:39 .

[dreman9999]

Xellith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Galbrant wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The time spent on making these new endings could be spent on better things. Stuff like Leviathan and Omega. 

Well if you think Leviathan is a better option than an ending that makes sense. I can't help you then... except to recommend you to a good neurologist. I'll put in a good word for you.

The ending does make sense to a vast amount of people on here, you just don't like it.

I find it amusing that most of the people still whining about the ending are one's who watched it on youtube. Never bothered to get all the war assets which explain the crucible in more detail, never bothered to track down all the codex entries which explains even more detail both from core game and the DLC's. They just watched cinematics and some dialogue then rely on that for their arguments without realising maybe did not make sense to you because you did not did not gather the information which explains it in game.

I also think non ending DLC is better to concentrate on than yet more ending DLC and Bioware agree's with me view on that because they have said so. It appears to me though a large portion of the fans did not like the original ending while some did, they created the EC and from everything I have seen around half of the people who did not like the original were happy enough or content with the EC. Why should they cater now to those remaining who did not the original or the EC instead of moving forward and producing content for those now who are okay with it and do not want to revisit the ending yet again.

Also someone else mentioned it in another thread, a person who did not like the original or EC that he too wants non ending DLC because he liked the game and wanted to play it without going back to the ending again or reminded of it. People like him also do not want new ending DLC. So what your suggesting will re-open that wound of his again by yet another ending DLC.

Xellith wrote...

Thats how I read that.  NOBODY is forcing you or anyone else who enjoys the current retarded endings to download anything.  In fact you can just go away and leave the BSN forever and be content if you wish.  Not saying you have to.  Just saying that any changes they make will not do anything to you - unless you make yourself get involved by downloading the DLC.

To this comment, how about a switch of perspective.

In fact you can just go away and leave the BSN forever and be content bitter over a video game if you wish.  Not saying you have to.  Just saying that any changes they make they told you no more ending DLC so they will not do what you want this time around - unless you make yourself get involved by downloading the DLC get over the fact you do not get everything you want in this world just because you want it.

BSN should be for those who like Bioware's products not those only which hate it. It make no logical sense for those who like Bioware and their products to leave, but it does improve the community for those who hate Bioware to leave.

Except.. if YOU leave.. you can still get content "you want".  Whereas if WE leave.  We dont ever get content we want.

Give me what I paid for ME3 and Ill gladly give you my BSN account and never ask for anything again. Until then I have every right - as well as everyone else - to request changes and content just as much as those who enjoy the current content.  Even if they say it will never be changed.  We still have the right to ask.

Besides - I tend not to believe most stuff that Bioware says - I wait to see the results.  They have lied, overhyped and flip flopped on decisions contantly.

Your missing the point of the arguement. BW want to have the endings bring the player to moral conflict. Adding a "Shepard live, only reapers die" choice counters that concept.

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Seival wrote...

@3DandBeyond

And I don't want BioWare to have consider taking another look at this franchise. I think the franchise is good as it is, and doesn't need any changes. The only thing it needs is more DLCs like Leviathan, and the Sequel-RPG-Trilogy with ME3 save import feature.

Yep, I totally see how 3D is the selfish one in this discussion.

Because she wants bw to take the ending a direction they don't want to.

Unless your last name is Hudson or Walters or any one of a plethora of BW-related names, I don't think you know the direction they intend to take it.  It may as yet be a work in progress with much planned.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

TheRealJayDee wrote...

Seival wrote...

@3DandBeyond

And I don't want BioWare to have consider taking another look at this franchise. I think the franchise is good as it is, and doesn't need any changes. The only thing it needs is more DLCs like Leviathan, and the Sequel-RPG-Trilogy with ME3 save import feature.

Yep, I totally see how 3D is the selfish one in this discussion.

Because she wants bw to take the ending a direction they don't want to.

Unless your last name is Hudson or Walters or any one of a plethora of BW-related names, I don't think you know the direction they intend to take it.  It may as yet be a work in progress with much planned.

3d, you need totake some time to learn what BW orgianlly planned for the ending of ME as a series....They wanted the player to choosed to allow the reapers to harvest all of humanity plus Shepard to give the reaper a way to save the galexy from being destryed from the loss ofdark energy or to destroy the reapers but dooming the galexy.

Op, what would you feel if you had those choices?

Moral conflict was always the plan. This info is from the orignal head writer of the ME series. It's on his blog.

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:43 .

[BD Manchild]

dreman9999 wrote...

3d, you need totake some time to learn what BW orgianlly planned for the ending of ME as a series....They wanted the player to choosed to allow the reapers to harvest all of humanity plus Shepard to give the reaper a way to save the galexy from being destryed from the loss ofdark energy or to destroy the reapers but dooming the galexy.

Op, what would you feel if you had those choices?

Moral conflict was always the plan. This info is from the orignal head writer of the ME series. It's on his blog.

Both the original ending and the final one share the same problem; the moral conflict doesn't feel like the natural consequence of the narrative up to that point. It's completely arbitrary.

I dunno, maybe in the original script there was more foreshadowing that would allow the player to see the conflict coming ahead of time, but in the endings as they are currently there is absolutely none whatsoever. That's why people still complain about the endings; they still don't gel with the rest of the narrative.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 01 septembre 2012 - 05:49 .

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...


3d, you need totake some time to learn what BW orgianlly planned for the ending of ME as a series....They wanted the player to choosed to allow the reapers to harvest all of humanity plus Shepard to give the reaper a way to save the galexy from being destryed from the loss ofdark energy or to destroy the reapers but dooming the galexy.

Op, what would you feel if you had those choices?

Moral conflict was always the plan. This info is from the orignal head writer of the ME series. It's on his blog.

dreman9999, you just don't understand, you need to learn what ME says, you need to pay attention, take some time to learn what BW has said in other places and all over the place.  Did I just about cover all of the little passive aggressive ways you insult people's intelligence.

Bioware has said a lot of things and much I think that game devs do is test the waters to see what floats with fans.  So far, moral dilemma is not a winner with audiences in a game that already showed how they like to end chapters in the series-the hero wins after harsh challenges are met and the enemy unequivocally loses and dies.

BW said one big thing that resonates and they left a cliff hanger to point that it may not yet be done-they said the knew how people felt about Shepard.  I have more faith in them that they may as yet understand fully what that means and I do think they've understood that all along.  I don't want them to forget it.  They've said a lot of things and they've changed their minds.  They can do that.

And in case you failed to notice it, they scrapped the dark energy plot-that means they did also change their mind on that.

[AresKeith]

Dreman pls stop trying to use moral conflict for your arguement, that is completely invalid since it depends on how the Players play the game. Mass Effect is an aRPG so it has roleplaying, if the player doesn't have a problem with those choices there is no Moral Conflict, the endings are no different.

[dreman9999]

BD Manchild wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

3d, you need totake some time to learn what BW orgianlly planned for the ending of ME as a series....They wanted the player to choosed to allow the reapers to harvest all of humanity plus Shepard to give the reaper a way to save the galexy from being destryed from the loss ofdark energy or to destroy the reapers but dooming the galexy.

Op, what would you feel if you had those choices?

Moral conflict was always the plan. This info is from the orignal head writer of the ME series. It's on his blog.

Both the original ending and the final one share the same problem; the moral conflict doesn't feel like the natural consequence of the narrative up to that point. It's completely arbitrary.

I dunno, maybe in the original script there was more foreshadowing that would allow the player to see the conflict coming ahead of time, but in the endings as they are currently there is absolutely none whatsoever. That's why people still complain about the endings; they still don't gel with the rest of the narrative.

BS. The orignal concept of the end was start in ME2.
The concept of the current ending was brought up many timeS being that there were many descutions that the crucible maybe a doulbe edge sword.

The question of the crucible being a double edge sword has always been in the games, how is it bad writing when it turns out to be true? 

Modifié par dreman9999, 01 septembre 2012 - 06:02 .

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...


3d, you need totake some time to learn what BW orgianlly planned for the ending of ME as a series....They wanted the player to choosed to allow the reapers to harvest all of humanity plus Shepard to give the reaper a way to save the galexy from being destryed from the loss ofdark energy or to destroy the reapers but dooming the galexy.

Op, what would you feel if you had those choices?

Moral conflict was always the plan. This info is from the orignal head writer of the ME series. It's on his blog.

dreman9999, you just don't understand, you need to learn what ME says, you need to pay attention, take some time to learn what BW has said in other places and all over the place.  Did I just about cover all of the little passive aggressive ways you insult people's intelligence.

Bioware has said a lot of things and much I think that game devs do is test the waters to see what floats with fans.  So far, moral dilemma is not a winner with audiences in a game that already showed how they like to end chapters in the series-the hero wins after harsh challenges are met and the enemy unequivocally loses and dies.

BW said one big thing that resonates and they left a cliff hanger to point that it may not yet be done-they said the knew how people felt about Shepard.  I have more faith in them that they may as yet understand fully what that means and I do think they've understood that all along.  I don't want them to forget it.  They've said a lot of things and they've changed their minds.  They can do that.

And in case you failed to notice it, they scrapped the dark energy plot-that means they did also change their mind on that.

3D, we had moral delama since ME1. 
Virmire,
The battle of the citadel.
the geth choice
the collector base choice.
The genoghage choice.

How can you say the moral delema what something badly reseved when it was used many time before the ending?

Op, that the time to watch this and read the comment below the video.
http://penny-arcade....enriching-lives 

Take some time to understand my point.

[Dragoonlordz]

Xellith wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

-snip-

Xellith wrote...

Thats how I read that.  NOBODY is forcing you or anyone else who enjoys the current retarded endings to download anything.  In fact you can just go away and leave the BSN forever and be content if you wish.  Not saying you have to.  Just saying that any changes they make will not do anything to you - unless you make yourself get involved by downloading the DLC.

To this comment, how about a switch of perspective.

In fact you can just go away and leave the BSN forever and be content bitter over a video game if you wish.  Not saying you have to.  Just saying that any changes they make they told you no more ending DLC so they will not do what you want this time around - unless you make yourself get involved by downloading the DLC get over the fact you do not get everything you want in this world just because you want it.

BSN should be for those who like Bioware's products not those only which hate it. It make no logical sense for those who like Bioware and their products to leave, but it does improve the community for those who hate Bioware to leave.

Except.. if YOU leave.. you can still get content "you want".  Whereas if WE leave.  We dont ever get content we want.

Give me what I paid for ME3 and Ill gladly give you my BSN account and never ask for anything again. Until then I have every right - as well as everyone else - to request changes and content just as much as those who enjoy the current content.  Even if they say it will never be changed.  We still have the right to ask.

Besides - I tend not to believe most stuff that Bioware says - I wait to see the results.  They have lied, overhyped and flip flopped on decisions contantly.

"No we are not changing the ending" holds about as much value to me as "[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers."

I wait patiently for actual dlc.

Firstly your not getting the content you want because they told you they are not doing it multiple times but you can say you want something till your blue in the face. How would they know what those who liked the ending will want if they are also not here. You told people to leave so you cannot turn around and use the excuse of having right to ask for something when you tell tell others to give up that right. You simply cannot have it both ways.

Overall however this site was created for those who like Bioware, like their products hence why it is called 'Bioware' social network not the 'down with Bioware' anti-social network yet I hear constantly some people on here are actively hope Bioware go out of business because they cannot deal with having something in a game Bioware produced that they do not like. I do 'question' why those people should be here because of how much they are damaging the community and enjoyment for those who like Bioware and their products.

[3DandBeyond]

dreman9999 wrote...

BD Manchild wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

3d, you need totake some time to learn what BW orgianlly planned for the ending of ME as a series....They wanted the player to choosed to allow the reapers to harvest all of humanity plus Shepard to give the reaper a way to save the galexy from being destryed from the loss ofdark energy or to destroy the reapers but dooming the galexy.

Op, what would you feel if you had those choices?

Moral conflict was always the plan. This info is from the orignal head writer of the ME series. It's on his blog.

Both the original ending and the final one share the same problem; the moral conflict doesn't feel like the natural consequence of the narrative up to that point. It's completely arbitrary.

I dunno, maybe in the original script there was more foreshadowing that would allow the player to see the conflict coming ahead of time, but in the endings as they are currently there is absolutely none whatsoever. That's why people still complain about the endings; they still don't gel with the rest of the narrative.

BS. The orignal concept of the end was start in ME2.
The concept of the current ending was brought up many time being that there were many descutions that the crucible maybe a doulbe edge sword.

The question of the crucible being a double edge sword has always been in the games, how is it bad writing when it turns out to be true? 

Stop using the term BS. 

And please explain where in ME1 they talked about the crucible since it has always been in the games.  And what does this have to do with what BD Manchild said?

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

Dreman pls stop trying to use moral conflict for your arguement, that is completely invalid since it depends on how the Players play the game. Mass Effect is an aRPG so it has roleplaying, if the player doesn't have a problem with those choices there is no Moral Conflict, the endings are no different.

Morality is realative. Just because you have no issue wih the choice at hand does not mean it does not cause moral conflict in general.
It just mean you don't find the choices conflicting.

[dreman9999]

3DandBeyond wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

BD Manchild wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

3d, you need totake some time to learn what BW orgianlly planned for the ending of ME as a series....They wanted the player to choosed to allow the reapers to harvest all of humanity plus Shepard to give the reaper a way to save the galexy from being destryed from the loss ofdark energy or to destroy the reapers but dooming the galexy.

Op, what would you feel if you had those choices?

Moral conflict was always the plan. This info is from the orignal head writer of the ME series. It's on his blog.

Both the original ending and the final one share the same problem; the moral conflict doesn't feel like the natural consequence of the narrative up to that point. It's completely arbitrary.

I dunno, maybe in the original script there was more foreshadowing that would allow the player to see the conflict coming ahead of time, but in the endings as they are currently there is absolutely none whatsoever. That's why people still complain about the endings; they still don't gel with the rest of the narrative.

BS. The orignal concept of the end was start in ME2.
The concept of the current ending was brought up many time being that there were many descutions that the crucible maybe a doulbe edge sword.

The question of the crucible being a double edge sword has always been in the games, how is it bad writing when it turns out to be true? 

Stop using the term BS. 

And please explain where in ME1 they talked about the crucible since it has always been in the games.  And what does this have to do with what BD Manchild said?

They don't need to talk about the crucilbe at the start of the story. That can add it in  any point of the story as long asit no suddenly found with no link to when it was ever seeked. And the crucible was hinted at from LOTHSB.