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[o Ventus]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

I have already dealt with the explanation of how synthesis works, and since nobody disputed it, I can only assume that you are unable to refute it. It is not space magic, it is reaper nanites, a concept that was introduced before ME2. It did not come out of nowhere unless you weren't paying attention or were just too dense to get it. It is also not a perfect, ideal ending, since everyone in the galaxy is getting infected with reaper technology without their consent.

If it were Reaper nanites, it wouldn't require Shepard's "essence", nor would it require the Crucible.

It required Shepard and the crucible to be able to reprogram the nanites so that it wouldn't turn everbody into husks. Try to keep up.

I would be able to keep up if I had known about it beforehand.

It's ok though, you can insult me if you want to. I'm not the one reaching out shouting "It all makes sense!" over some delusions of grandeur.

Modifié par o Ventus, 01 septembre 2012 - 09:57 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

I made a similar thread to this: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13500277

I wasn't as nice, but atleast it elicited a response from Bioware a few pages in. Now I think they're just absent from BSN (the only place where they can take real criticism) and collect feedback strictly via Twitter & FB.

[Xellith]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I think Mass Effect has almost topped Star Trek on creating whiny delusional zealots of its fanbase.

Modifié par Xellith, 01 septembre 2012 - 09:58 .

[plfranke]

I'll refute your argument dantheman. How did Reaper nanites get built into the Crucible? Also, the whole, you can't disprove it thing doesn't really work with something as vague as synthesis.

[IamDanThaMan]

AresKeith wrote...

there is no Reaper nanites involved the Synthesis ending

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I missed the part where the catalyst or anyone from Bioware said that.

Really? does it have to be spelled out in total, minute detail for you people, can you not take a little bit of evidence that is presented to you and figure it out without Bioware making an official statement about it? this is such a joke I can't even believe it.

[3DandBeyond]

Kabraxal wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

@IamDanThaMan once again trying to insult someone because you refuse to see everything we say. We didn't say its not there, we said its not full relevant because not everyone had onedealing the ending, and IMO I think only a few people actually had a Moral Conflict in the ending

and your trying to compare the Real world to a Sci-fi futurist game, when most people play for escapism, not a strong defence

All good science fiction ever has always dealt with real, current time problems. Causality does not dissapear in the future, and karma does not exist there anymore than it does today.

Any writing that ignores realism and opts to give a fairy dust ending where everything ends in the best way it can is bad writing.

First... disbelief in karma isn't a proven fact. 

Second... it's bad writing to throw in a last minute character throwing in solutions that make no sense and rely more on magic and just purely not caring why by the audience.  The endings are less realistic now than many other theories out there, so this argument fails already.

Exactly.  One of the first things writers do and must maintain is create an emotional bond between the reader (player) and characters, for good or bad.  You like the hero, hate the bad guy.  You don't do this-insert an unknown being that tries to talk the hero into helping him achieve his goal and without offering some clear path to achieving your hero's own.

The ending is where conflict should be the greatest-where the heart is pounding and the adrenaline rushing.  People keep on saying this is a game about war-well, at the end it isn't.  It's a tea party with the glow boy and his reaper dogs.  There are a few spots of running and gunning in London and then the game stops and every once in awhile you hit a controller button.  Otherwise, it's an extended cutscene of a dreamlike state and contradictory and even nonsensical conversation.  Pardon me for preferring reality.  And then, pardon me for suggesting that many of us could accept this if we were allowed to pay for at least a big bandaid.  Yes, it's selfish to have to ask others to keep the endings they like and to offer to pay for something marginally better. Not great, but better.

I'd have preferred a real fight with a variety of outcomes, where everyone could die all the way to a truly hard to get, everyone (Shepard, LI, teammates) could live.  Even with a galaxy in a mess.  I'm hoping and asking for a tidbit to make it somewhat better.

[IamDanThaMan]

plfranke wrote...

I'll refute your argument dantheman. How did Reaper nanites get built into the Crucible? Also, the whole, you can't disprove it thing doesn't really work with something as vague as synthesis.

You remeber how the crubible would ony work when hooked up to that thing called the catalyst? Oh yeah, the giant space station that is actually reaper technology? Yeah, that couldn't possibly have anything to do with it.

[plfranke]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I'll refute your argument dantheman. How did Reaper nanites get built into the Crucible? Also, the whole, you can't disprove it thing doesn't really work with something as vague as synthesis.

You remeber how the crubible would ony work when hooked up to that thing called the catalyst? Oh yeah, the giant space station that is actually reaper technology? Yeah, that couldn't possibly have anything to do with it.

Can you give an in game definition of Reaper nanites?

[3DandBeyond]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

there is no Reaper nanites involved the Synthesis ending

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I missed the part where the catalyst or anyone from Bioware said that.

Really? does it have to be spelled out in total, minute detail for you people, can you not take a little bit of evidence that is presented to you and figure it out without Bioware making an official statement about it? this is such a joke I can't even believe it.

Hmmm, this from the person that worries that additional content that he need never see will somehow ruin his game for him. 

You said you'd fully explain synthesis in real scientific terms as to how it could be accomplished including the effects on all organics and synthetics as I requested because you think that it's not fairy dust and magical.  You have yet to do so though I did explain how the crucible could be able to discriminate if intact and only destroy reapers.

[IamDanThaMan]

o Ventus wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

I have already dealt with the explanation of how synthesis works, and since nobody disputed it, I can only assume that you are unable to refute it. It is not space magic, it is reaper nanites, a concept that was introduced before ME2. It did not come out of nowhere unless you weren't paying attention or were just too dense to get it. It is also not a perfect, ideal ending, since everyone in the galaxy is getting infected with reaper technology without their consent.

If it were Reaper nanites, it wouldn't require Shepard's "essence", nor would it require the Crucible.

It required Shepard and the crucible to be able to reprogram the nanites so that it wouldn't turn everbody into husks. Try to keep up.

I would be able to keep up if I had known about it beforehand.

It's ok though, you can insult me if you want to. I'm not the one reaching out shouting "It all makes sense!" over some delusions of grandeur.

I'm sorry, but if you can't make conclusions from obvious evidence and have to beg for an ending that makes sense without any actual thought, that is not my problem. I am just trying to help you inderstand where you are going wrong.

[Kabraxal]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

there is no Reaper nanites involved the Synthesis ending

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I missed the part where the catalyst or anyone from Bioware said that.

Really? does it have to be spelled out in total, minute detail for you people, can you not take a little bit of evidence that is presented to you and figure it out without Bioware making an official statement about it? this is such a joke I can't even believe it.

But where is this every stated that it is how synthesis works?  You are merely grasping at theories yourself to make a bad ending more palpatable to yourself.  You aren't on any higher ground in this argument.

[AresKeith]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

And if it is reaper nanites or Shepard's essence then perhaps the poster will explain the non-magical process of how it is flung out and inserted into every organic being in the galaxy.  And he has yet to explain the dissemination of full understanding of organics to synthetics-where it comes from and even why it would be relevant when organics no longer exist.  As well I want to know how that would stop the understanding synthetics from becoming killer robots in outer space.

Umm, yes, I explained that all last night about 5 minutes after you asked me to, along with explaning that your genius reaper IFF idea would get the normandy and everyone aboard blown into multiple bits.

Did you not even watch the ending? Oh that's right, you turned it off and let the reapers win. The crucible uses the relay network to disseminate the nanites(the relays were built by the reapers, in case you missed that one in every game). Nanites are self-replicating, so if even one enters the atmosphere of a planet, the entire planet can become infected.

You also apparently were not paying attention during the reaper IFF mission in ME2, where it was clearly shown that during the indoctrination process, the minds of those being indoctrinated become linked like a computer network. Now, I imagine the link from synthesis would not be as strong, but it would be enough to share information and understanding omong the population of the galaxy

Synthesis also does not turn organics into robots, it infuses their bodies with cybernetic implants, like Shepard has(his body was broken down to produce a blue-print for synthesis).

Seriously, if you people would just pay attention to the freaking diologue in the freaking games and at least read a plot synopsis of the books online, we would not have all these problems, because it is all very obvious to anyone that has been paying attention.

1. that are more than one Reaper IFF, so Dee's idea could work without Normandy getting blown up

2. A green energy wave that has Reaper nanites, turns people in a matter of seconds? that sounds like headcanon

3. their minds aren't being linked by Indoctrination

4. Everyone in the Galaxy has their DNA changed not infuses, and don't use that "new framework" excuse because thats even more stupid

5. Your the only person talking about Reaper Nanites

[IamDanThaMan]

plfranke wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I'll refute your argument dantheman. How did Reaper nanites get built into the Crucible? Also, the whole, you can't disprove it thing doesn't really work with something as vague as synthesis.

You remeber how the crubible would ony work when hooked up to that thing called the catalyst? Oh yeah, the giant space station that is actually reaper technology? Yeah, that couldn't possibly have anything to do with it.

Can you give an in game definition of Reaper nanites?

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect:_Retribution

[plfranke]

3DandBeyond wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

there is no Reaper nanites involved the Synthesis ending

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I missed the part where the catalyst or anyone from Bioware said that.

Really? does it have to be spelled out in total, minute detail for you people, can you not take a little bit of evidence that is presented to you and figure it out without Bioware making an official statement about it? this is such a joke I can't even believe it.

Hmmm, this from the person that worries that additional content that he need never see will somehow ruin his game for him. 

You said you'd fully explain synthesis in real scientific terms as to how it could be accomplished including the effects on all organics and synthetics as I requested because you think that it's not fairy dust and magical.  You have yet to do so though I did explain how the crucible could be able to discriminate if intact and only destroy reapers.

he doesn't even know what reaper nanites are much less how they would accomplish synthesis lol

[plfranke]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

plfranke wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I'll refute your argument dantheman. How did Reaper nanites get built into the Crucible? Also, the whole, you can't disprove it thing doesn't really work with something as vague as synthesis.

You remeber how the crubible would ony work when hooked up to that thing called the catalyst? Oh yeah, the giant space station that is actually reaper technology? Yeah, that couldn't possibly have anything to do with it.

Can you give an in game definition of Reaper nanites?

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Mass_Effect:_Retribution

That is not an ingame definition of Reaper nanites. Nor is it ingame, or does it have anything to do with Reaper nanites. In fact, you pretty much just gave me a useless link. I want you to find an in game definition of Reaper nanites, or hell even an in game reference to it.

[Dragoonlordz]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I made a similar thread to this: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13500277

I wasn't as nice, but atleast it elicited a response from Bioware a few pages in. Now I think they're just absent from BSN (the only place where they can take real criticism) and collect feedback strictly via Twitter & FB.

They are not absent atm because do not respond to criticism. Like I told you earlier they are doing other things right now, some are at PAX and other at Dragon-Con. Stop confusing having a response to every single post by every single person to mean they are not listening to feedback aswell.

[IamDanThaMan]

AresKeith wrote...

1. that are more than one Reaper IFF, so Dee's idea could work without Normandy getting blown up

2. A green energy wave that has Reaper nanites, turns people in a matter of seconds? that sounds like headcanon

3. their minds aren't being linked by Indoctrination

4. Everyone in the Galaxy has their DNA changed not infuses, and don't use that "new framework" excuse because thats even more stupid

5. Your the only person talking about Reaper Nanites

1.So now we can pick and choose which reaper IFFs we can blow up and which ones we can't?
2. Who said it turns people in seconds? It doesn't show how long it took.
3.In the IFF mission? did you even play the game?
4. Yes, but they are still mostly organic.
5. Me, and Drew Karpyshyn, the guy whou came up with the Mass Effect universe, in Mass Effect: Retribution.

[IamDanThaMan]

plfranke wrote...


That is not an ingame definition of Reaper nanites. Nor is it ingame, or does it have anything to do with Reaper nanites. In fact, you pretty much just gave me a useless link. I want you to find an in game definition of Reaper nanites, or hell even an in game reference to it.

This book was writen by Drew Karpyshyn, head writer for ME1&2, everything in the book is officially there to help explain what is happening in the universe. And since you are apparently too lazy to click on the plot summary link, here you go: http://masseffect.wi...ct:_Retribution

"When Grayson wakes up, he is strapped hopelessly to an operating chair,
with even his mouth bolted down to prevent him from speaking. The
Illusive Man is standing near him, and explains what he is about to
endure. He reveals that the Reaper technology involves self-replicating
nanites and particle entanglement. The nanites would multiply
exponentially, quickly taking over his nervous system and eventually
spread throughout his entire body. "

Wow, talk about people being wilfully ignorant.

Modifié par IamDanThaMan, 01 septembre 2012 - 10:17 .

[Xellith]

So people who dont understand synthesis are "ignorant" because we didnt pick up seondary material to explain everything?

Sounds legit.

Modifié par Xellith, 01 septembre 2012 - 10:19 .

[plfranke]

[quote]IamDanThaMan wrote...

[quote]plfranke wrote...

[/quote]
That is not an ingame definition of Reaper nanites. Nor is it ingame, or does it have anything to do with Reaper nanites. In fact, you pretty much just gave me a useless link. I want you to find an in game definition of Reaper nanites, or hell even an in game reference to it.[/quote]

This book was writen by Drew Karpyshyn, head writer for ME1&2, everything in the book is officially there to help explain what is happening in the universe. And since you are apparently too lazy to click on the plot summary link, here you go: http://masseffect.wi...ct:_Retribution

"When Grayson wakes up, he is strapped hopelessly to an operating chair,
with even his mouth bolted down to prevent him from speaking. The
Illusive Man is standing near him, and explains what he is about to
endure. He reveals that the Reaper technology involves self-replicating
nanites and particle entanglement. The nanites would multiply
exponentially, quickly taking over his nervous system and eventually
spread throughout his entire body. "

Wow, talk about people being wilfully ignorant.

[/quote]
This is still not a definition, it is still not in game, and it does absolutely nothing to make me believe synthesis is possible. Why didn't grayson all of a sudden turn half synthetic?

[plfranke]

Xellith wrote...

So people who dont understand synthesis are paraphrasing "dumb" because we didnt pick up seondary material to explain everything?

Sounds legit.

Even worst, his quote does absolutely nothing to hint at synthesis being possible. I mean, just think about it, if all it took were Reaper nanites, the Reapers could have gotten Synthesis knocked out a long time ago.

[IamDanThaMan]

Xellith wrote...

So people who dont understand synthesis are paraphrasing "dumb" because we didnt pick up seondary material to explain everything?

Sounds legit.

Do yourself a favor and look up the definition of ignorant before you make yourself look any more ignorant. It is not synonymous with dumb.

[IamDanThaMan]

plfranke wrote...

This is still not a definition, it is still not in game, and it does absolutely nothing to make me believe synthesis is possible. Why didn't grayson all of a sudden turn half synthetic?

He did. read the book before trying to refute someone who did. and it doesn't matter if it is in game or not, it is an official mass effect book.

Nanites are the only possible in-universe explanation for synthesis, therefore, it must be how it was accomplished.

Modifié par IamDanThaMan, 01 septembre 2012 - 10:23 .

[o Ventus]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

I'm sorry, but if you can't make conclusions from obvious evidence and have to beg for an ending that makes sense without any actual thought, that is not my problem. I am just trying to help you inderstand where you are going wrong.

This doesn't make any sense, neither as a reply to my post nor as a standalone statement.

Congratulations.

[plfranke]

So your argument comes down to, "Read the book, I'm not going to quote anything that remotely says synthesis is possible by using nanites, and you can't argue with my non existant argument, so I win"?