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[Warrior Craess]

dreman9999 wrote...

alleyd wrote...

Seival wrote...

Making an "alternate endings set" corrupts the story as the organic whole. Developers who do that, are not good developers.

BioWare are the best game developers ever existed, and they will never corrupt their own game. I think it's clear they care about the ideas more than about the money.

Organic refers to organisms or organs, not stories as far as I was aware. 

Bioware already thrashed many of the themes of the series, or left them unexplained. This is not good story telling or good game development 

The main Enemy of ME3 is Cerberus. In ME2 it clearly states that they are small, cell based terrorist organisation. In the novel Deception, they suffer major losses to their network. Then ME3 has them growing to a pan galactic force in approx 6 months. That is a major part of the Cerberus story and is left completely unexplained. Where did the suddenly get the finance and capability to build the huge support fleets of the indoctrinated legions?

The original release was so unpopular they made the step of EC. So something was seriously wrong somewhere for that to happen

Care about ideas not money? How ridiculous when you have micro transactions in MultiPlayer and the comment of "Buy More DLC" as the sign off message of the original game. 

The ending was forced and broke so many established rules of story telling it still motivates fans of the series to take to the forums and debate the game 6 months afterwards. 

1. How cerberus grow in power is explain . It not bad writng having that change how they do things.
2.On thissue on the name orgianc...Nick picking.
3.You still have stated how the new endings broke establishe rules of the story.

ok so explain where they got the money and material resources to build a fleet of warships?  Specifically carriers, fighters, transports, frigates and cruisers? And they accomplished this all in 6 months? 

Sanctuary explains the abundance of manpower, nothing explains the fact that they have a large enough military pressence to be a serious problem. 

almost forgot who this was replying to.  

[Dragoonlordz]

I find it amusing that if wasn't for me, dre and others who disagree with the OP this thread would be like a mere 5-10 page long instead of 60 and a dozen pages away from the front page on this section of the forums if exclude shameless bumping being possible. Thats just because of how few in number have posted in agreement through the thread.

Feel free to thank us for keeping your thread alive. >

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 septembre 2012 - 11:02 .

[Warrior Craess]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

plfranke wrote...

Xellith wrote...

So people who dont understand synthesis are paraphrasing "dumb" because we didnt pick up seondary material to explain everything?

Sounds legit.

Even worst, his quote does absolutely nothing to hint at synthesis being possible. I mean, just think about it, if all it took were Reaper nanites, the Reapers could have gotten Synthesis knocked out a long time ago.

Play the end of the game again. The catalyst says it was not possible until the crucible was combined with the citadel. Also, Shepard was needed to provide a blue-print.

Seriously, this is not a big leap. I figured this out before the EC even came out, and with the EC, it is even more obvious. YOu are just trying to refute it because it disproves your point.

PS. I am very much enjoying the fact that I totally derailed this thread and that it is now about the explanation of synthesis.

Incorrect, he states it has been done before, and always failed, becuase it "can not be forced"  Explain to me how 1 person of untold trillions of people, making that choice isn't forcing it? 

What they couldn't find someone of similiar mind set to shepard in who knows how many cycles? 

really?

[AresKeith]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I find it amusing that if wasn't for me, dre and others who disagree with the OP this thread would be like a mere 5-10 page long instead of 60 and a dozen pages away from the front page on this section of the forums if exclude shameless bumping being possible. Thats just because of how few in number have posted in agreement through the thread.

Feel free to thank us for keeping your thread alive. >

I doubt it would be pages away, but the 60 pages thats for sure dre lol

[Warrior Craess]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I find it amusing that if wasn't for me, dre and others who disagree with the OP this thread would be like a mere 5-10 page long instead of 60 and a dozen pages away from the front page on this section of the forums if exclude shameless bumping being possible. Thats just because of how few in number have posted in agreement through the thread.

Feel free to thank us for keeping your thread alive. >

lol  it's true the debate has kept it active,  but seems like on every page there are a couple new posters agreeing with the OP. 

So if the ratio of people supporting it (even if they don't want to argue about it) vs those against it holds true to those unhappy with ME3 vs those happy with it... Bioware is in trouble. 

[3DandBeyond]

Perhaps DLC will involve the Beings of Light-and perhaps the catalyst is one of those beings, but it was to be destroyed as being a warped program-that is why it attempted to put them into the reapers. He may have been a rogue AI that wanted to fulfill his own purpose and not his creators'. It could be that the "intelligence" the Leviathan talks about is not the kid, but one of the other catalysts that exists.

Perhaps the beings of light are other catalysts (they created the crucible) who are separate from the citadel one, but who were more perfect, more capable of doing what they were meant to do. What if those beings are able to somehow control the Leviathans?

And what if this kid did create the choices? The other catalyst(s) might have created the plans for the crucible and meant for it to work with them in order to truly achieve the Leviathans' purpose-preserve organics. And that could mean that it might also have been a way to keep Leviathans from destroying them or controlling them (organics) as well.

This really is one way that DLC might tie things up. It's not the least invasive way as I've suggested before, though.

[3DandBeyond]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I find it amusing that if wasn't for me, dre and others who disagree with the OP this thread would be like a mere 5-10 page long instead of 60 and a dozen pages away from the front page on this section of the forums if exclude shameless bumping being possible. Thats just because of how few in number have posted in agreement through the thread.

Feel free to thank us for keeping your thread alive. >

I did so on other pages but haven't thanked you yet-so thanks. 

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 septembre 2012 - 11:10 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I would appreciate an ending that isn't made of fail.

[Warrior Craess]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

there is no Reaper nanites involved the Synthesis ending

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I missed the part where the catalyst or anyone from Bioware said that.

Really? does it have to be spelled out in total, minute detail for you people, can you not take a little bit of evidence that is presented to you and figure it out without Bioware making an official statement about it? this is such a joke I can't even believe it.

I'm curious as to haw these nanites were transported to everyone in the galaxy, to every tree, plant and animal in the galaxy?

Another thing that has me wondering about this nanite theory, is how did nanites saturate physical objects, such as bodies, and plants, and convert organic material to synthetic almost instantly? 

[memorysquid]

Warrior Craess wrote...


Incorrect, he states it has been done before, and always failed, becuase it "can not be forced"  Explain to me how 1 person of untold trillions of people, making that choice isn't forcing it? 

What they couldn't find someone of similiar mind set to shepard in who knows how many cycles? 

really?

Yep; because that's how it's written.  Get over it.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Warrior Craess wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

there is no Reaper nanites involved the Synthesis ending

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I missed the part where the catalyst or anyone from Bioware said that.

Really? does it have to be spelled out in total, minute detail for you people, can you not take a little bit of evidence that is presented to you and figure it out without Bioware making an official statement about it? this is such a joke I can't even believe it.

I'm curious as to haw these nanites were transported to everyone in the galaxy, to every tree, plant and animal in the galaxy?

Another thing that has me wondering about this nanite theory, is how did nanites saturate physical objects, such as bodies, and plants, and convert organic material to synthetic almost instantly? 

Speculations.

[3DandBeyond]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

I would appreciate an ending that isn't made of fail.

I absolutely agree.

[N7_Paragon2077]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I find it amusing that if wasn't for me, dre and others who disagree with the OP this thread would be like a mere 5-10 page long instead of 60 and a dozen pages away from the front page on this section of the forums if exclude shameless bumping being possible. Thats just because of how few in number have posted in agreement through the thread.

Feel free to thank us for keeping your thread alive. >

I did so on other pages but haven't thanked you yet-so thanks. 

Why is anyone even disagreeing? It's not like 3D is saying that BW should replace all the endings with one better one, only asking that they add one that the rest of us can enjoy as well. Anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to download it or whatever. I'm sure many people would welcome it. Sometimes I think people disagree for the sake of disagreeing. Many people choose not to be vocal about it because they don't see any point. I was one of those people, but after reading what 3D has had to say, it's made me want to fight for the ending many want, and the one Shepard deserves. Seriously, you guys that are disagreeing can just ignore that a new ending is there. Nobody is here to rain on your headcanon of Shepard dying no matter what. Some of us would like to see otherwise, and not in a 10 second easter egg as the cherry on top of a genocide.

[Warrior Craess]

IamDanThaMan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

1. that are more than one Reaper IFF, so Dee's idea could work without Normandy getting blown up

2. A green energy wave that has Reaper nanites, turns people in a matter of seconds? that sounds like headcanon

3. their minds aren't being linked by Indoctrination

4. Everyone in the Galaxy has their DNA changed not infuses, and don't use that "new framework" excuse because thats even more stupid

5. Your the only person talking about Reaper Nanites

1.So now we can pick and choose which reaper IFFs we can blow up and which ones we can't?
2. Who said it turns people in seconds? It doesn't show how long it took.
3.In the IFF mission? did you even play the game?
4. Yes, but they are still mostly organic.
5. Me, and Drew Karpyshyn, the guy whou came up with the Mass Effect universe, in Mass Effect: Retribution.

Actually it shows exactly how long it took.. When it showed all the cheering soldiers with glowing eyes. Especially the turian's who look at  themselves. Also when the humans soldiers are being over-run by the husks.  It took the same amount of time that the green wave took to wash over them.  Pretty much instantaneous. 

[3DandBeyond]

Warrior Craess wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

there is no Reaper nanites involved the Synthesis ending

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I missed the part where the catalyst or anyone from Bioware said that.

Really? does it have to be spelled out in total, minute detail for you people, can you not take a little bit of evidence that is presented to you and figure it out without Bioware making an official statement about it? this is such a joke I can't even believe it.

I'm curious as to haw these nanites were transported to everyone in the galaxy, to every tree, plant and animal in the galaxy?

Another thing that has me wondering about this nanite theory, is how did nanites saturate physical objects, such as bodies, and plants, and convert organic material to synthetic almost instantly? 

It's reality, as some see it.  I can't see it being at all possible.

[3DandBeyond]

N7_Paragon2077 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I find it amusing that if wasn't for me, dre and others who disagree with the OP this thread would be like a mere 5-10 page long instead of 60 and a dozen pages away from the front page on this section of the forums if exclude shameless bumping being possible. Thats just because of how few in number have posted in agreement through the thread.

Feel free to thank us for keeping your thread alive. >

I did so on other pages but haven't thanked you yet-so thanks. 

Why is anyone even disagreeing? It's not like 3D is saying that BW should replace all the endings with one better one, only asking that they add one that the rest of us can enjoy as well. Anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to download it or whatever. I'm sure many people would welcome it. Sometimes I think people disagree for the sake of disagreeing. Many people choose not to be vocal about it because they don't see any point. I was one of those people, but after reading what 3D has had to say, it's made me want to fight for the ending many want, and the one Shepard deserves. Seriously, you guys that are disagreeing can just ignore that a new ending is there. Nobody is here to rain on your headcanon of Shepard dying no matter what. Some of us would like to see otherwise, and not in a 10 second easter egg as the cherry on top of a genocide.

Want to know the reason a couple of posters gave for not wanting it?  Too many people would choose it.  Seriously.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 01 septembre 2012 - 11:24 .

[Warrior Craess]

memorysquid wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...


Incorrect, he states it has been done before, and always failed, becuase it "can not be forced"  Explain to me how 1 person of untold trillions of people, making that choice isn't forcing it? 

What they couldn't find someone of similiar mind set to shepard in who knows how many cycles? 

really?

Yep; because that's how it's written.  Get over it.

Ahh so bad writing with no logic is good. I should get over it, and not bother BW with something as silly as my feelings about their work. Work that I pay for.

Thanks for telling me to sftu in not so many words. Always the recourse of those who can't support their own ideas. So another person I can ignore. 

[raw6666]

3DandBeyond wrote...

Warrior Craess wrote...

IamDanThaMan wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

there is no Reaper nanites involved the Synthesis ending

Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I missed the part where the catalyst or anyone from Bioware said that.

Really? does it have to be spelled out in total, minute detail for you people, can you not take a little bit of evidence that is presented to you and figure it out without Bioware making an official statement about it? this is such a joke I can't even believe it.

I'm curious as to haw these nanites were transported to everyone in the galaxy, to every tree, plant and animal in the galaxy?

Another thing that has me wondering about this nanite theory, is how did nanites saturate physical objects, such as bodies, and plants, and convert organic material to synthetic almost instantly? 

It's reality, as some see it.  I can't see it being at all possible.

The only way I can see it was the Reapers themselves that release them, since they have true nano-technology. Seeing how they can break down a human very fast into liquid, the dragon teath and able to sluaghter people 10.4 million a day. Of course that brings up a new problem is why didn't reapers just show up and eliminate a entire planet by just being there, other then  the fact a slow harvest would allow more people to kill into reapers. Oh well, everything has plot holes, it just more obvious when its rushed and not give time to clean up.

[N7_Paragon2077]

3DandBeyond wrote...

N7_Paragon2077 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I find it amusing that if wasn't for me, dre and others who disagree with the OP this thread would be like a mere 5-10 page long instead of 60 and a dozen pages away from the front page on this section of the forums if exclude shameless bumping being possible. Thats just because of how few in number have posted in agreement through the thread.

Feel free to thank us for keeping your thread alive. >

I did so on other pages but haven't thanked you yet-so thanks. 

Why is anyone even disagreeing? It's not like 3D is saying that BW should replace all the endings with one better one, only asking that they add one that the rest of us can enjoy as well. Anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to download it or whatever. I'm sure many people would welcome it. Sometimes I think people disagree for the sake of disagreeing. Many people choose not to be vocal about it because they don't see any point. I was one of those people, but after reading what 3D has had to say, it's made me want to fight for the ending many want, and the one Shepard deserves. Seriously, you guys that are disagreeing can just ignore that a new ending is there. Nobody is here to rain on your headcanon of Shepard dying no matter what. Some of us would like to see otherwise, and not in a 10 second easter egg as the cherry on top of a genocide.

Want to know the reason a couple of posters gave for not wanting it?  Too many people would choose it.  Seriously.

Lmao. You would think that one would want everyone else to also enjoy the game they love. That's so incredibly childish, that I can't believe it. It's not as if those few downers have to choose it. They can still have their bleak, wasteland ending. Nobody cares as long as they like it. It's like being a bully in school. You're just against that kid for the sake of it even though he didn't even do anything to you. Just cause he has a different preference than you. Those kinds of people need to grow up. If an overwhelming amount of people would choose that ending, those people should support us, cause we support them. We don't want their endings changed. We want one for us, too.

[Dragoonlordz]

N7_Paragon2077 wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I find it amusing that if wasn't for me, dre and others who disagree with the OP this thread would be like a mere 5-10 page long instead of 60 and a dozen pages away from the front page on this section of the forums if exclude shameless bumping being possible. Thats just because of how few in number have posted in agreement through the thread.

Feel free to thank us for keeping your thread alive. >

I did so on other pages but haven't thanked you yet-so thanks. 

Why is anyone even disagreeing? It's not like 3D is saying that BW should replace all the endings with one better one, only asking that they add one that the rest of us can enjoy as well. Anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to download it or whatever. I'm sure many people would welcome it. Sometimes I think people disagree for the sake of disagreeing. Many people choose not to be vocal about it because they don't see any point. I was one of those people, but after reading what 3D has had to say, it's made me want to fight for the ending many want, and the one Shepard deserves. Seriously, you guys that are disagreeing can just ignore that a new ending is there. Nobody is here to rain on your headcanon of Shepard dying no matter what. Some of us would like to see otherwise, and not in a 10 second easter egg as the cherry on top of a genocide.

There are many reasons to disagree. From where time and money is best spent for individuals enjoyment, where the line in the sand is drawn between trying to please those remaining unhappy and those who are now okay or happy. The themes of the game and the rights of the developer to make the game they wish vs make the game you wish to play. The balance between the current endings and destroying the balance of difficulty in choices, the result of what some changes would have on the game between intentionally trying to invalidate other choices by proxy -having a more linear option which makes the other ones pointless therefore being detrimental to player choice not increasing it.

That is just a few of the reasons and there are many more dependant on what those who hate the ending have been asking for which includes the blue babies, conventional victory being basically refuse = win situation and much more like Harbinger fight. The reality is Bioware cannot cater to everyone's tastes as this product was designed for mass production among many with different desires of what people want and not designed to individual user specifications. They have said where they have drawn that line in the sand already and some people having no respect for the right of a creator to decide what he or she creates does not change this.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 01 septembre 2012 - 11:47 .

[AresKeith]

N7_Paragon2077 wrote...

Lmao. You would think that one would want everyone else to also enjoy the game they love. That's so incredibly childish, that I can't believe it. It's not as if those few downers have to choose it. They can still have their bleak, wasteland ending. Nobody cares as long as they like it. It's like being a bully in school. You're just against that kid for the sake of it even though he didn't even do anything to you. Just cause he has a different preference than you. Those kinds of people need to grow up. If an overwhelming amount of people would choose that ending, those people should support us, cause we support them. We don't want their endings changed. We want one for us, too.

I've said that before lol, like nobodies forcing them to pick it and we not really asking for another ending DLC since they can do it through Pre-ending DLC, so its really a win-win

[Moirai]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I find it amusing that if wasn't for me, dre and others who disagree with the OP this thread would be like a mere 5-10 page long instead of 60 and a dozen pages away from the front page on this section of the forums if exclude shameless bumping being possible. Thats just because of how few in number have posted in agreement through the thread.

Feel free to thank us for keeping your thread alive. >

To be honest few have posted against the OP in actuality. It just seems to be the same ones over and over and over again with something approaching an almost religious zeal.

Maybe you guys should get a hobby. Play some games, kick back and relax. You know, that sort of thing...

Modifié par Moirai, 01 septembre 2012 - 11:40 .

[Tamayah]

N7_Paragon2077 wrote...

Why is anyone even disagreeing? It's not like 3D is saying that BW should replace all the endings with one better one, only asking that they add one that the rest of us can enjoy as well. Anyone who doesn't like it doesn't have to download it or whatever. I'm sure many people would welcome it. Sometimes I think people disagree for the sake of disagreeing. Many people choose not to be vocal about it because they don't see any point. I was one of those people, but after reading what 3D has had to say, it's made me want to fight for the ending many want, and the one Shepard deserves. Seriously, you guys that are disagreeing can just ignore that a new ending is there. Nobody is here to rain on your headcanon of Shepard dying no matter what. Some of us would like to see otherwise, and not in a 10 second easter egg as the cherry on top of a genocide.

Agreed. 

[Dragoonlordz]

Moirai wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I find it amusing that if wasn't for me, dre and others who disagree with the OP this thread would be like a mere 5-10 page long instead of 60 and a dozen pages away from the front page on this section of the forums if exclude shameless bumping being possible. Thats just because of how few in number have posted in agreement through the thread.

Feel free to thank us for keeping your thread alive. >

To be honest few have posted against the OP in actuality. It just seems to be the same ones over and over and over again with something approaching an almost relegious zeal.

Maybe you guys should get a hobby. Play some games, kick back and relax. You know, that sort of thing...

What are you talking about? What relevence does how many have been counter debating the proposal from the OP in the content of the thread have to do with what I said? It does not change the fact without those who disagree posting in here, the thread would not be on the front page with more likely few pages back and it would be a vast fraction of pages currently is. The amount of people posting in agreement is as small as the amount you claim post in opposition but none of that changes what would happen if those who have not discussed with an opinion different to the OP in here. The amount who agree will still be small in number, the thread would still be small in amount of pages and the thread would more likely be not on the front page anymore.

It is interesting your assumption that those who held a different view and posted in here often are borderline zealots who have nothing else they are doing right now. Fact, while discussing in this thread I have been discussing in many others at same time, fact while discussing in this thread I have actually played other games, slept, eaten, done my real life work and chatted with other people outside these forums about things that are not ME or Bioware related. Now.. Maybe you can only do one thing at a time but let me assure you that is not the case with everyone else here.

[kyban]

Moirai wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I find it amusing that if wasn't for me, dre and others who disagree with the OP this thread would be like a mere 5-10 page long instead of 60 and a dozen pages away from the front page on this section of the forums if exclude shameless bumping being possible. Thats just because of how few in number have posted in agreement through the thread.

Feel free to thank us for keeping your thread alive. >

To be honest few have posted against the OP in actuality. It just seems to be the same ones over and over and over again with something approaching an almost religious zeal.

Maybe you guys should get a hobby. Play some games, kick back and relax. You know, that sort of thing...

Can't.. I love Mass Effect too much.

In all seriousness, I do play other games. Participate in other hobbies. But Mass Effect is the one game i truely care about, and it hurts to see it the way it is.
I want Bioware to do the right thing too. Which is why i agree with the OP.